CincyBillsFan

I was being sarcastic there Motorin! And you're right, Rogers had a more normal development path. If we're lucky Allen will develop along a similar line. People forget that we've been there and done that before with respect to Mahomes - his name was Dan Marino! And like Mahomes, a lot of teams passed on Danny.

According to folks on this board that IS passing on Rogers. Had we NOT traded our 1st round pick for Losman we could have taken Rogers and the rest would be history. I mean the Bills should have known a year ahead of time that Rogers was a future HOF QB and NOT traded for JPL. Remember you can't win an argument with me on this because I have 20/20 HINDSIGHT - just like all the Bills "fans" backing Mahomey's!

I don't know about that but we definitely passed on Aaron Rogers!

So we have Bills fans obsessing over the PAST because we didn't draft Mahomes three years ago and we also have Bills fans obsessing over Allen's FUTURE accuracy. Funny what Bills fans worry about isn't it? Here's the bottom line: * We can't do anything to change the fact that the Bills passed on Mahomes. NOTHING. So at what point do folks move on? * It seems stupid to worry about Allen's accuracy NEXT SEASON. I mean it still hasn't happened yet right? * Allen improved his completion percentage from 53% to 59%. It was OBVIOUS to anyone who watched the last 2 seasons that Allen's accuracy improved considerably. * Given the CAP room and the fact that under Bean/McD the Bills have drafted well it's reasonable to assume that they will further upgrade their offensive skill positions. Add in another year for Allen to develop and for an offense with NINE NEW players to better gel it's likely that Allen's accuracy will further improve.

Do Bears fans obsess about Mahomes as much as Bills fans do?

But the Bills didn't take a QB that year right? So they didn't pass on Mahomes. Look the Bills had a lame duck GM and a brand new head coach and almost a brand new owner. It wasn't a year that the Bills were going to pull the trigger on a 1st round QB. And let's not forget that Reid was one of the few NFL guys who saw greatness in Mahomes.

Allen was a better pick for the Bills then Jackson would have been. And IMO 5 years from now the this will be considered conventional knowledge. The Bills were not going to hire Roman at OC and were not going to build an offense to fit Jackson's strengths.

No. But you know what's worse, much worse, obsessing over something that can't be changed. How long are some Bills fans going to cry into their beers over not drafting Mahomes? It's been freaking THREE YEARS. And the Bills weren't the only team to pass on Mahomes.

Great run by Mahomes but I feel for defenders in the modern NFL. The next time Mahomes is running along the sideline and steps out as he gets blasted on the sideline what do you think the refs are going to do? Yep, 15 yard penalty for roughing the passer.

You want FACTS - FACTS that matter? 2018 in his rookie season Allen completed 53% of his passes. In 2019 his 2nd season Allen completed 59% of his passes. Great improvement in % completion indicating that next year we should expect Allen to complete somewhere between 60 - 65% of his passes.

I didn't see his one year at Jr college numbers. Not did you post his freshman football or Junior high football numbers. Hell why not go back to Pop Warner football it might really strengthen your argument.

Oh please, the agenda is that Allen isn't accurate. Own it for crying out loud! If you actually watch high school football you wouldn't post the stats because they have NO relation to what a guy does in the NFL. The ONLY % completion numbers that matter for Allen is that he went from 53% to 59% in one year. A similar improvement next season will see Allen in the low mid 60's for % completion. Then you guys are going to have to find something else to complain about.

High school results mean zero, zip, nada when it comes to the NFL. I can't believe anyone would post them in order to make a point.

I agree with this. It's interesting to see all the revised history about who was in a worse position, Allen or Rosen. The only thing I'll concede is that when all is said and done Allen is part of a better organization. But that doesn't mean the Bills organization didn't put Allen in just as bad a position last year as Arizona put Rosen in: * BOTH QB's were placed in offenses that were historically terrible. The ONLY reason some say Rosen had a worse O-line is that they ignore the fact that Allen bailed last year's O-line out with his athleticism - which is greatly superior to Rosens. You put Rosen behind last years Bill's O-line and he looks just as bad. * Rosen actually had a better receiver group. Fitzgerald is a solid vet and unselfish class act. He alone elevated the Card's receivers over anything the Bill's fielded last year. * And let's not forget just how badly the Bill's mismanaged Allen's rookie training camp & preseason. They gave him very few snaps with the first team and then declared that Peterman would be the starter. This lasted ONE FREAKING WEEK. After that they threw Allen to the wolves. That he survived and by the end of the season had started to thrive is why he is the guy for us. * And let's not forget that going into the season the Bills had done NOTHING to ease Allen into the league. Allen did not benefit from having an experienced QB in the QB room and his Offensive Coordinator was brand new to the Bills. Allen succeeded his rookie year IN SPITE of the Bills. It's that simple.

C.Biscuit97 a good friend of mine moved to New Orleans years ago and got me hooked on LSU football. They're my 3rd favorite team behind only The Ohio State Buckeyes & the University of Cincinnati. I saw most of last years LSU games and thought Burrow did pretty good with a very young team against a BRUTAL schedule. Considering how inexperienced he and the rest of the offense were his numbers were above average and he actually had a solid season. He showed flashes of brilliance in leading LSU to big wins over 3 top 10 teams last year. Check out hist last two games from last year - a mega SEVEN OT loss to Texas AM and LSU's New Years Day Bowl victory over an undefeated UCF. In both games Burrow was stellar and offered a nice preview of what he would do this year. BTW it was those games that Joe Brady watched in the off season after getting the job that convinced him that Burrow could run a wide open spread offense.

Bingo. The kid is a bit cocky like Brady but in a good way for the NFL. I remember going up to Columbus for the Ohio HS championship weekend. People in Western NY need to appreciate how big HS football is in Ohio and how entertaining and well played it is. I remember watching Burrow lead his rural team against an urban football power loaded with big time college prospects. Burrow's team lost by a couple of points but he was spectacular. You could see even back then that he was a fantastic QB. I always thought Burrow going to Ohio State was a mistake though. I get growing up in Ohio means the Buckeyes are THE destination and the kid did win Mr. Ohio football (that's a BIG award in the Buckeye State) but Meyer's track record with QB's is average at best. Outside of Alex Smith what NFL QB's has Meyer developed? I get Urban is a great college coach but Ohio State hasn't exactly been QB U. I think it showed a lot that Burrow got his degree in 3 years which earned him the freedom to transfer to LSU. Shows that he's willing to take risks with his career. The Bengals are going to get a good one here.

This is the same age as Russel Wilson was when he wrapped up his college career. I think Burrow will be a great NFL QB. I'm excited at the possibility that 5 years from now the team I love (Da Bills) and the team in the place I live (Da Bengals) will have the two best QB's in the AFC. This will be a big change from my football experience with these two over the last 20 years.

Big deal. In the first Jets game I sprained my ankle jumping up after Brown caught the winning TD pass. And yet for the rest of the season I was able to get to and from my fridge to snag a beer during the commercial break. I never once missed a single play.

The tough thing about evaluating TE's when you're a fan is that we're ignorant of a big part of their game. We focus on the catches & drops but without access to game film or how a play is supposed to be blocked we're in the dark about the total package a TE brings to the table. We all want to see Kelsey but in this offense that may not even be possible based on the scheme. With respect to Kroft I suspect his blocking is quite good. Ditto for Smith. And given a full training camp & preseason to work with Allen his pass catching contribution should go up. I get that it would be risky to stand pat at TE but of all the position groups on the offense this is the one I would take that risk on. A fully healthy Kroft will contribute more next season in the passing game and I have two rookies who showed great promise. It's reasonable to assume that Knox & Sweeny will be much better next year. I can see the TE's getting better from this year to next year. But NOTHING can be done to make Beasley 6 inches taller or knock 10 years off Gore.

On that Texans drive you can see the value of PLAY MAKERS. The toe tap by Hopkins to convert that 3rd & long was a thing of beauty.

Well obviously the Bills complained to the NFL head office and the officials listened!

Please! While we were starting drives at our 10, 8 & 4 yard lines the Chiefs were benefiting from a KO return giving them the ball at Houston's 40; then the Texans faked a punt giving the Chiefs the ball at the Texans 30 and then a fumble on a KO gave the Chiefs the ball at Houston's 6 yard line! Context is everything!

You guys don't get why we do it! If we were British they'd call us "cheeky"! We know Allen isn't close to being at Mahones level right now. Though I would submit he's a lot closer to being at (or ahead) of Jackson & Watson but I digress. We point out the bad throws, goofy decisions and GREAT catches their receivers make as a way of holding up a MIRROR to those who brutally criticize Allen on these very same points. All we want is an HONEST discussion about Allen - his flaws and his strengths. But nooooooooooo, every Allen pass is put under a microscope and dissected. All we're doing is showing that what's fair for the goose is fair for the gander.

Is it me or was that a bad spot by the ref? Sort of like earlier in this drive when you had that holding call when Watson converted that 3rd & 1? I wonder if those mystery officials in black up in the stands are worrying about people tuning this game out by half?

I guess he can hope that the Texans D line bats the ball back to him so he can catch it and run. Because sure as hell his receivers ain't helping him out.