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If Tyler declares he would be your center - consensus 1st round talent if looking for a stud C. If he doesn't declare then his line mate Michael Deiter would be a good 2nd round value, not sure he would drop into the 3rd. He's solid, comes from a Wisconsin program that has been churning out NFL-calibre o-linemen for a while now, has played LG, C, LT when needed.

Do the names Kelvin Benjamin or Charles Clay ring any bells when mentioned. Factor those two pass-dropping machines and throw in an inconsistent Zay Jones (turning out to be pretty streaky - dropped passes all last year sans Allen throwing them, found his hands for a while, then took some steps backwards last game... jury is still out on Zay), and pretty hard to just pin it on Josh's strong arm. I do think he will benefit from having receivers that can catch balls with some zip - just means that down the road he potentially could fit the ball into tighter windows.

Well the Viking fans were pretty pissed after that game https://www.ksfy.com/content/news/Disgruntled-Vikings-fan-puts-US-Bank-Stadium-on-Craigslist-502488021.html

Were you trying to be funny - because this is some funny "expert" s##t - like you stayed at a Holiday Inn the other night kind of expertise. Poor Josh, cannot eat his cereal without missing his mouth with the spoon due to this horrible affliction.

Agree to disagree as Josh had 101 rushing yards against the Jets and they were more effective against him in the 2nd half because he got dinged and was hobbled. I do think that NFL defenses are going to have to dedicate safeties and bigger corners that can tackle to the spy role, but he has proven to be able to make the first guy miss - a lot so there is a bit more to stopping his running than just spying on him. I do feel that he has to be a more effective pocket passer, but I do not think that the alleged pocket is the safest place for Josh behind this o-line as of now. Folks need to chillax a bit.

Off topic a bit, but I admit I was for a time a defender of EJ Manuel. It took running into a colleague at work who was friends and had family ties with a bunch of NFL players (mostly Saints) than held an off-season training camp near New Orleans that a few Bills attended. Usually I take with a grain of salt the "I know a guy that knows a guy stuff", but he had the pictures of him hanging with the players and such that lent some credibility and I was able to confirm some of the Bills he mentioned were at the camp - it was enough. Either way, when I was talking football with him and began making excuses for EJ he told me that the Bills players he spoke to said that EJ just did not have it upstairs and could not memorize/execute a playbook no matter how much the coaches dumbed it down, and that even the plays he did get they usually made it so he only had to read one half of the field. They did not think his issues were coachable. It was enough to help me finally fall off the bandwagon - I don't think Allen has those same issues, just not enough NFL-level coaching and experience as he seems to execute Daboll's plays without too much miscommunication or ugly breakdowns like expecting to hand it off and having no one there, or standing like a statue till he is sacked, etc.

Agree with most of this - bad decisions happen, and happen more often in the face of pressure. There are instances where a throw is accurate, but nearly picked off. Josh had one where he locked onto his favorite receiver Foster, never noted the safety help the corners had over the top, and threw what may have been an accurate pass to Foster, but was nearly picked off by the safety he dragged in with his eyes. Rookie mistake of not reading coverage and not looking off the safety. A lot of folks thought that was a pass intended for McKenzie, but he was in the slot, Josh never looked his way, and I think McKenzie just ran his route a bit too deep and tried to make a play on a pass that was not intended for him.

Details yes, with more than a bit of a bias-effect. I could just as easily say that the pass over the middle to Clay would have been catchable had the Miami defender not been dragging Clay backwards. See how that works? It is subjectivity lending conclusions to a preconceived bias. We all do it to a degree, you just went into "painstaking detail" doing it. Don't let it keep you up at night. Also, you would benefit from watching some of the All-22 reviews if you want to get fairly knowledgeable and objective analysis of what went right or wrong with a play.

The chemistry thing on teams is a dicey thing to mess with. I think we have all seen teams bring in high-priced talent and flat-out play worse. Heck, that has been the Redskins modus operandi for years... They did change their OC, but the defensive coaches are the same. The Vikings (much like our Bills) have a reputation for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

McKenzie had good speed on that early sweep for the score, but seemed like he gradually lost a step against the Jets and was not as shifty later in the game. He is a key piece to stretching opposing defenses, and has been a solid play maker with that speed. I had no idea that he had injured his toe at practice and was questionable for the game. The Bills are hurting all over their roster.

Never saw Sayers or the Juice...was a bit too young, but am wise enough to take the word of folks that saw them shine. I do remember watching Eric Dickerson when I was a kid and could not believe the way he flew by defenders without looking like he was running hard at all. He still ranks up there for me as one of the great ones - just not a Bill.

No argument here.

In fairness Namath was at the tail end (I think) of the "pass-heavy" AFL, was stickum around then too? Either way I think Broadway Joe was quite a character, and is a piece of NFL lore that enriches its history.

Those great teams also had great balance where the pass setup the runs and vice-versa, and there was plenty of scoring.

Probably...and old age - misspelled his name too, but I know I wasn't the only one who felt that the juice just wasn't worth the squeeze with Watkins https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/02/bills-were-smart-to-admit-sammy-watkins-mistake/ Admittedly, looking at his "poor stats" in this article and thinking about our current crop of receivers - gives me some perspective, but the injuries... The talent was there, but I think the Bills made the right move letting him go. He is making top receiver money, but has never been to the Pro Bowl or had more than 65 receptions in a season. He had just one 1,000-yard season (when he caught 60 passes for 1,047 yards in 2015 ) and was plagued with injuries (foot, ankle, hip and calf) when here, and is now out 4-6 weeks in KC with... drum roll (foot injury - again).

The Vikes know how to evaluate receivers...the Bills not-so-much. Even after blowing a bunch of picks to move up they went all-in to grab "Mr. Glass" Watkins. Had an attitude even after getting a flat in his first training camp, and either hurt and not playing, or a tackle away from not finishing a game.

Allen is waaay under the microscope, and it is what it is. Jim Kelly left a legacy in Buffalo and huge shoes to fill and the pressure and expectations on any new Bills QB has been tough. Media-wise, if there is a way to dump on the Bills and Allen without watching a game, that's what we get. How many 3rd and forevers has Josh had to convert with the zero running game and penalties? Miami has suffered in the wake of Marino, and I think any QB that takes over for NE will have Brady-comparison-issues. Of course in NE I could see Belicheat investing in a defense and winning the division kicking field goals.

Thought the same thing, but a rookie staring down his most clutch receiver...I can live with that mistake....providing it is not a habit. This is also a case where Josh has to recognize the defense pre-snap, and understand that the corners have safety help. Without understanding that, he may not even realize that his receiver is not in man coverage, and that there is a safety he needs to look off or freeze. The safer option was with McKenzie singled up in the slot underneath and heading for a nice safe sideline throw, but I'm sure Matt is right and Josh had made up his mind where he was going with the ball before it was even snapped, and stared Foster down the whole way. So there should be a lot of things Daboll and Culley can teach just out of this clip. While on the subject of teaching, I am still not sold on David Culley as a QB coach with all his prior NFL coaching experience limited to coaching WRs - It still feels like a heck of a risk the Bills are taking with their Allen investment not pursuing a proven commodity. All we can do as fans to evaluate the coaching Josh is getting is to see if week after week he shows us something he could not execute the week before.

I say the Bills should bring in all the WRs prospects they are interested in trying out and turn the jugs machine up to its rail gun setting and weed out the ones that likely can't catch a Josh Allen pass. Then go through the other evaluations - route-running, speed, release getting off a jam. Just my opinion of course, but I think getting the right players that are a good fit comes down to those little details. Allen can get it there in a hurry and likely will always be a factor in his throws. He will need receivers that can handle that, regardless of their college pedigree.

Tough break - literally, but prob the better of how bad it could have been...was worried more about ligament tears. Those slow-mo replays made me cringe, but I couldn't look away. Wishing Matt a speedy recovery. I thought Ivory looked like he may have dislocated his shoulder, but no news yet for us armchair doctors:)

I dunno about the retaliation angle...just think the opportunity was there and the Jets were taking shots all day. You could queue up all the tackles that kickers have attempted to make over the years for a good laugh and most of them are pretty darn fugly...so no surprises that Hauschka reverted to a soccer-type tackle that missed...probably more a part of his background than NFL form tackling. Can't imagine anyone on the Jets feeling threatened by that...probably got a lot of laughs during film reviews. If Hauschka had more leg on the kickoffs, or if the directional kicks that McDermott mentioned actually went in a direction other than right into the Jets' Andre Roberts' hands, and if our Special Teams coverage wasn't so damn bad, it would not have come down to him having to try to make the stop.

Meh - Nothing to see here. Jenkins is scrappy and I don't mind that, but the Jets were laying a lot of late lumber out there yesterday and more than a few classless hits. Nothing excuses blindsiding a kicker, or all the late hits for guys that were obviously going out of bounds. Last time we played the Jets they also executed a really dangerous blind-side helmet to helmet hit on Teller. Just cannot dredge up sympathy for these guys. He just needs to stop whining. Chop blocks you just have to look out for as a defender and they are used a lot to get a guy off his feet and are only illegal if the defender is already engaged (I confess I did not see the play he was referencing). Now crack-back blocks are another story... You want to see a really dirty crack-back block... search for a video of Frank Middleton's hit on the Bills' Sam Cowart (a linebacker that I thought was on the path to being one of the better one's the Bills have ever fielded) - pro-bowl bound that year, but he was never the same after that hit, ruptured his achilles trying to get back out there in 2001 - bounced around the league for a while. Truly cost him, but he said he had no hard feelings - not sure I would have felt the same.

This. He had several nice touch throws, and then there was a screen play where he had too much time to think about taking the heat off his throw and it was way short. Josh looked worse after he got hurt - no excuse, just an observation. Not sure where or how he is hurt - I am sure if you asked him, he would say everywhere. I would like to see what Josh could do behind the kind of protection Darnold had today, where he could survey the field and get into a rhythm without feeling like he was on the verge of getting planted in the ground. I think we need to go after some veteran FA o-linemen, because the whole group of youngsters out there now lack leadership and are skittish as colts, and a veteran presence can go further to improving these guys than any coaching will. Then fill in the gaps and depth with the draft.

Betting ligaments all around the ankle...done either way for the season. Takes a long while to heal just to be able to just take your weight, not to mention the kind of change of direction you need at his position.

Bad because of the timing and situation. 3rd and long and the team needed the stop and he did not get it done, beat by his man in the end zone after the Darnold scramble, gave up another long gainer I think in the 1st half. Just not a great day for our lock-down corner. He'll bounce back. I think they missed Taron J. out there today, saw Bush singled up a few times - usually a couple steps behind the receiver. This team is pretty banged up.