***PetrinoInAlbany***

I don't think I've ever been to a home game where people wanted the coach, the GM, and even the personnel guy fired. And I've been doing this since '73 ... Security is going to be confiscating, I'm guessing, anything that could be remotely used to express displeasure. Flammable objects will be at a premium. Jesus, even me & Harv are bringing bags to wear on our heads. This could be a lot of fun ... See everyone at Lot 1, pole 5. GHost is sitting in the third seat with me & Harv for this one. The ghost of Johnny Rauch will probably be there as well ... Like Flounder said in the movie, "This is gonna' be GREAT!!!"

I didn't say that. I said that any player in any sport has an absolute right not to re-enter a game if he believes he's injured. Thay can sort it out later ... fine, cut, grieveance ... whatever happens. But athletes still own their own bodies. As much as we admire those who do play hurt, it's a choice. Period.

Only if you don't count blocking, running routes away from the play, and keeping his mouth shut for almost a full season after his role changed. You can't go purely on stats because it could be just as much of an indictment of the play calling. We'll just agree to disagree. But Keyshawn he's not ... - -- Oh, and I still maintain that any player who's injured can refuse to re-enter a game. Sure, the coach can take that into account when deciding whether to keep him around ... toughness, proneness to injury, and all that ... But any player who believe's he's injured has an absolute right not to re-enter a game. --

One thing about this whole thing that drives me nuts... Outside of the Bills community, one of my favorite players is going to be associated in people's minds with the stereotypical Keyshawn/T.O./Randy prima donna WR. And he's not. His reptation can't help but suffer from this, and I think that's a shame. I know I repeat this next point a lot, but humor me: How many times this year did it look to you like Moulds was the only guy who showed up to play?

(Can't resist) He's brought this team together like no leader since George Bush!

Amen. They let this grow way too large way too quick ... Not only that, but they took away Losman's most reliable target just in time for the world champs to come into town. Notice I didn't say "best" ... I said most reliable. Moulds has shown up every game to play. There were games this year when I swear he was the ONLY guy who showed up.

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... Ralph might have actually said to Moulds, "Look ... I have to come down on the coach's side here. I'm going to be interviewing coaches in January, and I just CANNOT come across as an owner who'll side with the players over the coach. Just relax & lie low. Well take care of you." Could happen, and I'm not even sure it's far-fetched.

Not entirely ... If the version of the story is true that he felt a twinge in his achilles tendon and removed himself for that, then the coach ordered a player back into a game who believed he was injured. Say what you want about the broad range of "how 'hurt' is hurt" possibilities ... but if this thing went to a grievance tomorrow, Moulds would win in a slam-dunk. Guaranteed.

You'd think there'd be a thread or two about it on THIS page of ALL places, but I haven't seen a damn thing.

Everyone's forgetting the obvious and perhaps MOST IMPORTANT thing. If the story's true that he felt a twinge in his achilles tendon, and came out due to that, then the coach was ordering a guy back in who felt he was hurt. Say what you want about the broad range of possibility for interpretation of "hurt", but one thing remains true... If the team doesn't back down (they won't) then look for Moulds to WIN a grievance that will make the Bills look very bad. Eric WILL get the last laugh here. Just my two cents ...

That's our "three amigos", granted. And that's a good point. But what I was actually referring to was how many starters will be returning next year. Put those four guys behind a sub-par, ever changing offensive line ... give them a bend-and-what-the-hell-break-too defense ... and you're likely to get ... well, 4-8.

Don't do it. here's why ... I sat through too many 3-11, 2-12, 2-14 and 1-and-whatever seasons to recall without crying. Know what? Years later, as I was settling into my sideline seats at the Super Bowl, those years made the experience SO much sweeter. Build your karma now for when we take it all!

Mularkey may be LIVING at the City Mission next year ...

My problem with Donahoe is this... In five years, we haven't improved. We haven't even built a core for this team. Maybe it's too simplistic, but I can't help remembering what NFL GM's and analysts were saying after the Cowboys went from 1-15 to Champs in two seasons. They were saying that the league has changed, and that - with the era of free agency and player movement - you could build a team in 2-3 years. A championship contending team. Jesus, how frustrating is it when we realize that NEXT year is now a "rebuilding" year?! Think about that for a second ... after all we've been through, all the high picks traded for "the next" QB ... the 6-10 season ... six years without a whiff of a playoff game ... after all that, we stink THIS year and we're rebuilding NEXT year. He's had five years. I don't see what he's built or what he's done to make it better. I know this sounds very negative, but I'm fed up with Donahoe as GM. Leadership starts at the top.

Same thing with post-game radio... If they win or played well, I'll listen to the official post game show. If they stink up the joint ... COACH!!!!!! Dickerson's show is great when they are aweful...

Don't underestimate the shock value of that one too. For a lot of us, the announcement was followed by a sincere "WHAT?!?!?" The weird thing is, in retrospect, I actually was a little "won over" by Rob's play in the Titans game. like I tell the Bills-bashers here in DSmall-bany, Rob didn't lose that game. He took 'em down the field and scored at the end when he had to. God, the memories... Remember him rolling out without a shoe when the pocket collapsed and hitting the pass for the first down?

Wait just a second! Wasn't drew the NFC's top rated passer going into week 11? There's got to be some bullets left in the ol' gun.

Tell me about it! The first time they ran a play where the LOS was the 50, I thought "cool!" That lasted 2.6 seconds ... then the camera truck obliterated my view of about 20 of the 22 players on the field!

Bad news... I estimate that there's about a 40%-60% chance that Modrak is our next GM.

To be an all-timer, I think you have to limit to the ones where the Board actually CRASHED. I'm going with ... naming Rob the starter for the playoff game against the Titans. The board actually crashed on that one.

Be careful!!! A lot of people don';t know this because many people don't get to sit there, but... For the AFC Championship Game in January of 1992 I sat in Darryl Talley's seats. Second row, 50-yard line, right behind the Bills bench. Be careful! From those seats, you can't see about a third of the field. Anything outside the near hashmarks and more then ten yards upfield or downfield is obscured by the people, objects & activitioes on the sideline. It was a great experience for ONE game, but I'd NEVER take them as season tickets.If you're in the lower bowl, sideline seats, and you care about being able to see the entire game, make sure you're at least 15-20 rows up.

Be careful... this was the point of my earlier post. Which of the following is a true leader? ... - -"Yes, sir, one plus one does equal three. Yes sir..." - -...or ... - -"Actually, sir, the latest NASA satellite photos suggest that the earth may in fact be round..." - -Give me the second guy. Every time.

Dude, ever hear of the Kentucky Bourbon Festival? We should go one year. I had a trip planned the year of 9/11. Me & my buddy had backstage passes for the Kentucky Headhunters. The trip was all set, and then my father got very ill. They hold it every September in Bardstown, Kentucky. Right smack in the middle of Bourbon Parish. Three days of bourbon, music, bourbon, food, bourbon, women ... and a little bourbon here and there. I still haven't made it down since Pop got sick. Of course, it'd have to be a weekend when the Bills were on the road. And you're right about Dickel's, but Jack is a personal taste thing with me. Over the years, I found it to be mellow in a unique way. It's not that it's "better" or "worse" than Dickel's, Wild Turkey, Old Grandad, or any of those ... it's more like the flavour goes in a different direction. I save my "connoisseur" instincts for the ... um ... Ricky Williams stuff.

Disagree. Sometimes the crew can see what the skipper can't. Just shutting-the-F__-up and doing what you're told has consequences, too. Like ... 4-8. I've seen a "mutiny" of sorts happen in a work unit in my time. I can say that the one I saw involved a manager who was way out of line in both judgement and behavior. If the crew had just shut-the-F__-up and done what they were told, management would've done nothing. Instead, the situation was improved. My point is this: Sometime the impetus has to come from the bottom up, NOT the top down. The very top people in any organization - like Ralph, for instance, or the head of any State agency as another example - are almost always SURROUNDED by people telling them things like ... "Everything's running like a Swiss watch, sir!" ... "The players LOVE Mike ... great hiring decision, sir!" ... "I just came from the locker room, and I didn't hear ONE complaint!" I suspect Ralph is harder to con than that. I agree with the poster earlier who predicted that Donahoe is out VERY SHORTLY. No improvement in five years, and the team's in chaos.