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  1. 3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:


    “Progressivism” isn’t about saying ok we finally got there. There is always the next thing to normalize. 

     

    Let's even say that's true.  That doesn't mean people are going to normalize hurting kids.  For whatever reason, people always jump to the "they're going to want to legalize sex with kids and animals" are the 2 I always see, but it's always some made up scenario from people who disagree with LGBTQ, and not anyone that has information to back it up. 

     

    Just because that is somehow your next "logical" step does not mean that would be the next logical step for the people you are talking about. 

  2. 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:


    Most, many, vast majority… you keep using words that suggest any of these things have anything to do with the majority of people. The entire lgbtqia+ movement is about supporting a minority of people, and every time society says… ok fine it’s cool a letter gets added to what needs to be normalized. Sexualization of minors is certainly  next on the roadmap. 
     

     

    You can't just say " the next thing on the roadmap" anytime you want.  You can literally say that about anything under the sun because it hasn't happened yet.  The next step in protecting QBs in the NFL is putting them in pink tutus on the field.  See how that works?  There will be a very, very tiny portion of the population who does want acceptance for the sexualization of minors, and it won't be accepted, and rightfully so. 

     

    Every single one of the other portions of the LGBTQ groups is between consenting adults.  THAT is the difference.  Sexual activity between adults is fine, and should be fine, however the relation comes to be.  The reason pedophilia is NOT the same is because children cannot, and should not be able to consent to sexual activities.  Again,  most pedophiles AREN'T part of the LGBTQ movement.  They are heterosexual in their adult relationships.  

  3. 10 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

     

    You clearly don't know Nebraska football. They made a mistake 7 years ago firing Bo Pelini. Well, it was Frank Solich before that. They've had five bad seasons in a row. They are one of the best programs in college football history. Blue bloods that had a bad stretch, that made it back... 

     

    OU, USC, Tenn, UGA, Alabama, Notre Dame, etc. 

     

    Nebraska has won FIVE national titles and sell out every game. They will bounce back. 

     

     

     

    I'm not sure I agree with this.  Nebraska hasn't been truly great since option football was a thing.  They have been ranked in the top 10 for 4 weeks in the last 12 years.  They have a history, but the landscape of college football has changed a great deal since then.  If they make the right coaching hires they can obviously rebound, but I don't think it's sure thing in saying they will bounce back.  

  4. 50 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

     

    "You said JSU is competing against Southwestern Athletic Conference. Yea, but they are also going up against and beating major power 5 programs."

     

    I took this to mean actually competing.

     

    Anyway, as we have already covered, JSU and others get Bama's spillover--even with the 4-5 stars.  When your front 7 has 22 5 stars on the roster, a new 5 star might think twice about heading there.  The ones who are confident they will make the starting lineup some day go there anyway---precisely because they have a better chance of getting drafted.

     

    Players who want to play because they are told they won't start or will be red shirted or red shirted and still not start will roll the dice at a JSU--even though their chances at getting drafted, as you pointed out, are awful.  Go figure.

     

    SO Sanders may get a bunch of 5 stars transferring in to Colorado.  Then what?  He's not going 12-0 in the PAC 12 any time soon....

     

    Travis Hunter was the first 5 star EVER to go to a school the size of JSU as a recruit.  Now, some have transferred, but you can't deny that Sanders can recruit with the best of them, even with a huge disadvantage in regards to the school he was at.

     

    Also, Alabama has 22 5 AND 4 star recruit, not 22 5 stars.  There is a much smaller pool of 5 star recruits every year.  For 2022, there were 34 5 star players.  There were 332 4 star players.  Still amazing that they had that many, and the history of Alabama's winning and producing NFL players sells itself.

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  5. 1 hour ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

     

    Do you know how many touchdowns his Oklahoma State defense gave up last season after halftime? Knowles was the best assistant coach in 2021 IMO, he should have won that award. 

     

    Take away the James Madison's, Marshall's of the world... tOSU is top 10 in total defense and scoring defense. 

     

    Yes, and so did Don Brown when he was at Michigan.  Except he got burned constantly when they played good, fast teams.  

     

    Knowles is a very good DC, no doubt.  But a lot of star athletes on OSU's defense underperformed some, especially on the DL and in the secondary.  

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  6. 1 minute ago, T master said:

     

    He's as bad as you & BT can't let the past be in the past & move forward for christ sake you all need a freakin reality check & get your asses into present day & leave this BS where it belongs in the past .

     

    The biggest freakin thing none of you apparently haven't learned in all your time on earth is - you can't change the past but you can change tomorrow for god sake i wish you all would just give it the F up !! 

     

    Seeing as how Trump is trying to run for President again, it isn't in the past at this point.  

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  7. 3 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

     

    The score might be 24-20 at the end. tOSUDC Jim Knowles is a GREAT DC and given a few weeks to game plan a team, his defenses can shut anyone down.

     

    Knowles is over aggressive,  so if his aggression fails, they give up huge plays.  Michigan was great on defense too with Don Brown until good teams could capitalize on their aggressive style to gash them. 

     

    Knowles doesn't impress me much at all. 

  8. 8 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

    I can't say that I 100% blame Trey, but Saban carried him through a bad football injury and a serious injury sustained in a car accident. He probably would not have started but this (imo) ties into you post on this topic. There is far less loyalty these days.

     

    I want the players to earn money but there must be a fair system in place.

     

     

    I'm not a huge fan of the portal either,  but if coaches can lie to these players to get them signed, and then leave,  then players should have the same chance.  In my opinion you have to fix both before you can just fix the players.

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  9. 12 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

    Alabama already has 12 in the portal. What I don't like is that they can take NIL money and just leave. Even NFL free agents don't have this kind of freedom.

    We were talking about bowl games having meaning.....who knows if we can even field a team?

     

     

    Most college rosters are 100-120+. They'll be fine fielding a team. 

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  10. 2 hours ago, Southern_Bills said:

     

    Fair argument, but you shouldn't be given a pass for losing a conference title game either. 

     

    2024 it won't matter much, will be 12 teams. Then everyone will argue about why they should be 12 not 13. 🤷

     

    I agree no one should get a pass, but that's exactly what OSU got.   It's not that big of a deal because they're probably a lot better than USC anyway, but it's just the principle of it.  And like you said, they are correcting it next year anyway with the 12 teams. 

  11. 9 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

     

    We have one loss against the #2 in the nation.... USC lost, so yeah, after the committee trying to get two SEC teams in year after year, they can rot.

     

    The main issue I have is OSU is essentially rewarded for NOT making their conference championship.  And I understand this isn't the first year it's happened.  But teams shouldn't be rewarded for sitting at home.

  12. On 11/24/2022 at 8:26 AM, JaCrispy said:

    And soon the Left wing LGBT cult will allow pedo’s to join their membership…Let that sink in…😉

     

    No.  No they will not.  I am sure there are a few fringe people fighting for that, but there are no major LGBTQ groups fighting to include pedophiles.  Just because people (mostly "conservatives") keep repeating the "What's next, pedophiles/animals/etc?" arguments doesn't mean that it is actually happening.

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  13. 47 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

    Well reasoned response. My sole contention is that people in general do in fact use two words to define it. It’s most commonly referred to as ‘gay marriage’ not ‘marriage’. So to show my sincerity to your hypothetical proposition, yes I’m okay with changing traditional marriage to another word. Again, mine is not a primarily religious position. It’s in essence a linguistic one. Trust me when I say I’m not losing sleep over the matter. I just believe it’d be a more accurate (not right or wrong, nor better or worse…as Chef likes to accuse/imply) use of the language. I’m fully aware that my position goes against the common narrative. But I can also assure you that it’s not coming from a position of hate or ridicule. 
    Thanks for the discussion. 

     

    I honestly think for the longest time it was called "gay marriage" because it was not allowed.  At the time, they were different.    Now, in the eyes of the government, they are not, so I feel there is no need for them to be different.  

     

    I was not accusing you of anything hateful either in response.  People can have differing opinions, I just try to show WHY it may be important to people on the other side of the argument.

  14. On 11/23/2022 at 4:25 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:


    no it is not dangerous,  there are idiots in every walk of life. Plenty of disgusting humans in religious groups, in Republican Party etc. bad acting individuals are everywhere. 

     

    But it is a hard verifiable fact that liberal lgbtq+ groups have been sympathetic to pedophilia institutionally and within that community there are efforts to normalize the behavior as an innate irrepressible attraction. 
     

    sorry that triggers you into naming a bunch of sleeze-balls as if it alters the fact. 

     

    Many pedophilia groups have tried to incorporate themselves into the LGBTQ community, but that does not mean that the LGBTQ community wants them there.  Most of the pedophilia groups try to get themselves closer so that it will become more normalized, but again, that doesn't mean the LGBTQ groups are accepting of it.  

     

    A vast majority of pedophiles are heterosexual in their adult relationships, and those that aren't tend to be uninterested in either adult sexes.  There are obviously some homosexual pedophiles as well, but it is a very small percentage.

  15. On 11/29/2022 at 7:29 PM, SoCal Deek said:

    Sure...it's going to be great when every single word in the English language is properly hyphenated so as not to offend anyone. Yep....that'll be FANTASTIC.

    Because using two words to define something is just a lazy use of the English language.

     

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     - the legally or formally recognized union of two people as partners in a personal relationship

    - the state of being united as spouses in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law

    -an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected

     especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities

    -an intimate or close union

     

    Who is using 2 words?  You literally have said multiple times in this thread that we should make a new, separate word for "gay marriage,"  and then in turn also say using 2 words to define something is lazy.  The above definitions all meet and describe any "type" of marriage.  It works for everything.  My wife and I are married.  My brother and his husband are also married.  Our marriages, especially in the eyes of the government, mean the same thing.  

     

    Also, if the word means so much to people in "traditional" marriages, why then do people think it wouldn't mean something to everyone else as well?  Everyone gets married, and everyone is happy with that, except the people who want everyone to have to call it something different.  If it means that little, let's change "traditional" marriage to another word.  Does that work for you?

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  16. 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

    This is because they have no values…all their arguments are based in emotion instead of logic…

     

    I mean, to be fair though, the argument could be made for the opposite as well.  "Conservatives" were in a giant uproar over violation of free speech when they felt they were getting their speech violated, but now are all for it if they approve of the guy who is now in charge of who gets censored.  

     

    I don't think people should get censored, but I also don't think people should have free reign to make threats and spread crazy lies and disinformation intentionally wither.  Fine line on how to handle that though.

  17. 53 minutes ago, Willyville Guy said:

    Time for a raise and a promotion. Well deserved. Hope it’s enough to keep him. 
     

     

     

    He would be dumb to not take it that job if offered.  He has been in Ohio for most of his life, and Cincinnati is a decent team.  Not a complete rebuild, and he would be familiar with their system I would assume following Fickel.

  18. 9 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

    Everyone in the tOSU program should be embarrassed. It’s not just the loss. That happens. But getting physically dominated for the second year in a row is inexcusable. I don’t see how Ryan Day survives this with Luke Fickle just down I71 waiting for the call.

     

    Fickell got beat by Tulane yesterday.

  19. 33 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

    How is that different from the nfl getting together and putting in the salary cap? Im not saying this isn’t collusion or wrong to do I just seriously don’t know how it’s different.

     

    I’ve always thought player contracts should be guaranteed. They made a contract with the player. If they cut the player I think they should still be paid. 

     

    It's different because the salary cap is negotiated with the NFLPA.

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  20. 3 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

    How is this any different than Trump getting his name put on the spring 2020 stimulus checks? 

    In either instance no one directly asked for votes, just different tactics to make it clear who was responsible for the "free" money.

     

    Did any of you right wingers get outraged back then?  However tasteless both times, I don't remember any legal repercussions for Trump, should there be some now for Biden?

     

     

    My favorite part of the Trump stimulus checks is now every Republican I know is blaming Biden for the inflation when Trump had more stimulus money than Biden by far.

     

    Also, student loan forgiveness is stupid.  You took the loan, now pay it back.  I am all for loan reform, and believe it needs to happen, but we can't just forgive debt because we feel like it.  Even if they want to go after predatory loans and make more affordable, I am ok with that, but straight up forgiveness is beyond dumb.  The main issue with loans isn't the loan itself, but the fact that people who otherwise wouldn't qualify for an appliance loan are given hundreds of thousands of dollars just so universities can vastly overcharge for their "services."  The value these schools provide isn't worth a tenth of what they charge.

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  21. 7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:


    But to think we don’t need to cut the supply is not looking at the whole picture.  This is the same argument I made when people said “the best way to put the cartel out of business is to legalize marijuana.”   The demand will always be there.  Look at the amount of fentanyl that has been crossing our southern border. 

     

    I agree cutting the supply would help, but how do we do that?  Work at the border could help, but the cartels are multibillion dollar corporations at this point, and they will find other ways in.  Not to say you don't try, but they ship via shipping containers, ports, plane, boat, and tons of other ways.  Hell, Chinese fentanyl sellers are mailing drugs using the USPS.  

  22. 11 hours ago, Chef Jim said:


    Let me ask you a question.  If we cleaned up our prescription drug mess do you think the the Cartel will say “oh well. Might as well sell Tupperware now guys!”  

     

    No, but again, the cartels aren't just showing up and forcing people to take their drugs.  The demand is here, and it started mostly because of prescriptions.  Now it has exploded well past just prescriptions at this point, but that is how it started.  

     

    The cartels sell opioids because that is what the demand is there for, and therefore the money and power that comes with it.  In the 80's the cartels sold mostly cocaine.  Now, there is still a demand for that, but now it has shifted in favor of opioids because that is where the demand is.  I am by no means an expert, but my understanding is that opioids are easier and cheaper to make as well.

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