DCOrange
-
Posts
4,574 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Content Type
Gallery
Profiles
Forums
Events
Posts posted by DCOrange
-
-
13 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
One of the things I always love about stuff like this, is much like the “We’re going to take best available regardless of need” line, you can pretty much twist this to fit which ever prospect you favor.
Smart and versatile? Even guys like Coleman that some may view as not versatile provides value as a run blocker, punt returner, and lined up both out wide and in the slot a lot in college. Is that not versatile?
Does their skillset offset players currently on the roster? With the exception of that big bodied perimeter receiver, we have everything else covered at this point (maybe not a vertical threat if you think Diggs is toast in that regard).
Hands and YAC ability? Worthy dropped a lot of passes, but maybe it was just a broken hand. Javon Baker drops a lot of passes but then he makes some incredible catches. Adonai Mitchell basically has zero drops but he doesn’t fight for the ball particularly well in the air. Adonai’s YAC numbers were terrible but with his athleticism, why can’t he be a YAC guy?
Ultimately Beane will take whomever and be able to sell them as a fit for what they were looking for.
I think the one that might be most difficult to fit into that criteria is the one I want most: Brian Thomas. Love him as a prospect but I don’t think you can really make a good faith argument that he’s versatile, at least not right now.
-
4
-
-
3 hours ago, section122 said:
Was trying to find some stats regarding separation and stumbled on Hayden Hatten from Idaho projected in 7th or udfa. Any of the resident draftniks watched him?
Stats wise he was uber productive over 2 years albeit against fcs competition. Played outside more than 66% of the time and has some good size at 6'2 215 (not combine so maybe inflated).
Seems like a decent guy to throw one of those late picks at.
I haven't found any All 22 film from Idaho but his metrics definitely stand out (granted, as you said, it's against lower competition). He's definitely someone I'd like to get to see at some point.
-
1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:
For those talking about Coleman there was some talk about WR separation last week on WGR. I take most of what they say with a grain of salt but they went over the WRs with the least separation over the last 5-10 drafts. I don’t remember the number. With the exception of Nico Collins, all of the guys were garbage. Coleman doesn’t get any separation. Take that fwiw but I am not interested in Coleman (and I’m team WR).
Yeah, even as someone that has him WR4 or WR5 in the class, he has a litany of red flags at this point. It's kinda akin to when we drafted Allen where there was a ton of legitimate reasons to think he'd be a bust.
-
9 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:
Wasn't Beane in Carolina when they draft Kelvin Benjamin? Coleman is a better version of Benjamin, athletically.
It's not even close. Benjamin was a terrible athlete (ya know...relative to other WRs). He was bottom of the class in pretty much everything. Coleman is a very good, borderline great athlete. He just doesn't have the speed you ideally want, but even then, his speed score is above average.
-
1
-
-
29 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
Keon Coleman? Are you confusing him with someone else? Contested catch is his whole game. Pretty much needs to be as he doesn't create good separation.
I believe he's referring to his catch percentage on contested targets being very low this past season (though it was quite good the year before).
41 minutes ago, NewEra said:
doesn’t seem like a McB fit to me. Separation skills seem to be their thing and he is lacking. His contested catch % was 💩 playing vs college kids.
I don’t think he’s a total bust and might be worth a shot in rd 3, but I don’t think I’d want him in rd 2 either. Guess it all
depends who else is still on the board
I think personality wise, and if you can get past the speed, athleticism wise, he's exactly the type that McB tend to like betting on. And I think in the past, his skillset would have interested them too, but it seems like they've maybe transitioned to a new type that they're looking for.
-
1
-
-
50 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
I guess as predicated. Still don’t understand Copeland. Is there that much better of a spot for him next year?I wouldn't be surprised if someone offers him a starting role and he wasn't going to get that here (or at least the staff was hoping he wouldn't lol).
-
1
-
-
Copeland and Taylor officially in the portal.
-
1
-
-
2 hours ago, Kmart128 said:
What I found interesting is Joe Brady was trying to recruit him to LSU when he was there. He obviously likes the kid
He was arguably the #1 WR in his class coming out of high school. Would be weird if LSU wasn't recruiting him. He visited many schools before committing to Oregon but LSU was not one of them. Granted I think this was all around the time of the pandemic so it was probably a weirder recruiting process than usual, but I'm not sure how much of a relationship there likely was between he and Brady. Brady wasn't the primary recruiter for LSU on him either.
-
59 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:
Syracuse declined an NIT invitation. Supposedly, there will be a mass exodus of players once the transfer portal opens tomorrow.
I've heard Judah, Copeland, and Taylor (and obviously Benny) are basically guarantees to leave. Hima and Carey probably gone as well. Bell is a maybe but feels like we're relatively hopeful about him.
Also sounds like we're fairly confident we're going to get Erik Reynolds in the transfer portal but plenty of time for things to change in the portal.
-
1
-
1
-
-
16 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
Copeland transferring would be a heart breaker. Everyone loves him. Just a fun player.It sounds like the fans might love him, but that is not how the team/staff feels. I also ended up hearing from one of Autry's friends that Copeland is definitely leaving and both sides are happy to break up.
With college kids, I'd never bank on anything as a 100% guarantee; especially in this portal/NIL world we're in now where things can change very quickly. But it sounds like the plan is for Copeland to transfer elsewhere and try to find a starting spot somewhere.
The only reason I'm saying the door could still potentially be open is because it sounds like we'll be losing a lot of guys this offseason once again and at some point you kinda have to build around somebody lol. We don't have enough talent to continue replacing half the roster every year but it sounds like that's where we are once again.
-
1
-
-
Maybe this will prove as accurate as the Maliq fears, but I’ve had multiple people tell me today that Copeland is gone too.
Heard Taylor transferring is a certainty as well for different reasons.
-
1
-
-
On 3/13/2024 at 8:32 PM, Steptide said:
Agree. Quite obvious watching them tonight. They're terrible at defense, can't move the ball around on offense, someone just trys to drive the ball every posession. I'd just give it to bell and let him shoot 3's all night
At the end of the day, the team is still extremely flawed. Step in the right direction this year for sure, and landing Donnie Freeman for next season is huge. But we literally do not have a playable center on the team right now and we have like two players that can sometimes shoot a 3. You can sometimes survive without shooting if you have a great big man. Or you can survive not having a big man if you shoot it great. Not having either makes it pretty much impossible to win on a consistent basis.
-
4 hours ago, DCOrange said:
It was just some random whispers before...not from anyone I trust but more just gut feeling kinda stuff about Maliq Brown leaving. I've now heard from someone I do trust that it's something we have to actually be worried about. Doesn't sound like it's set in stone the way Judah leaving is, but Maliq is at least considering leaving because of Donnie coming in and our desire to get a real center.
FWIW, one person I know who is very close with Autry is saying we shouldn't be so quick to write Judah off, but basically everyone else I know that is in the know is saying there's no chance he's back next season.
And just like that Maliq put out word that he’ll be back!
-
1
-
1
-
2
-
-
It was just some random whispers before...not from anyone I trust but more just gut feeling kinda stuff about Maliq Brown leaving. I've now heard from someone I do trust that it's something we have to actually be worried about. Doesn't sound like it's set in stone the way Judah leaving is, but Maliq is at least considering leaving because of Donnie coming in and our desire to get a real center.
FWIW, one person I know who is very close with Autry is saying we shouldn't be so quick to write Judah off, but basically everyone else I know that is in the know is saying there's no chance he's back next season.
-
1
-
-
55 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Only if they trade him, and if they do it takes another WR needy team off the board round 1. So it’s at worst a wash for us with the possibility Bengals (who have many needs) could wait to take a WR round 2 with such a deep draft.I think they consider a WR even without a trade but we'll see.
-
I think WR is definitely a consideration for them with their first round pick.
-
20 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:
I wonder if this means Patriots are commiting to Daniels or Maye as their first pick
The buzz I've been seeing everywhere is they're likely to sign Jacoby Brissett this offseason to be the bridge QB in case they pass on QB at 3/trade the pick.
-
14 minutes ago, Roundybout said:
If Jerry Jeudy only cost a 5th and 6th, we can afford this.
If I had to play in the Matt Canada offense, I'd stop trying too.
10 minutes ago, FireChans said:Kenny Pickett has almost twice as many starts than passing TD’s in his career. He had 6 TD’s in 12 starts last year.
Can’t imagine why he gave up.
We need to stop trying to beat the Chiefs with choir boys and role models.Like I said, I get it. The QB play has been horrible there for a few years and like I said, Diontae is a talented dude. Probably a better player than anyone we're likely to get in the draft and he would obviously cost much less than a 1st round pick.
I do wonder if he's viewed as a culture fit though. Even with guys like Von who have proven to not be a choir boy, he's at least a guy that you know will give it his all to try to help the team. That cannot be said for Diontae after this past season. I think he's worth considering regardless.
-
He's one of the more talented WRs in the league IMO (not like top 10 or anything but probably top 30) but he had a really weird season this past year. Granted the QB play in Pittsburgh has been atrocious in recent years but he seemed to just give up last year.
-
6 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
That might be so, but if they don't go in the first, they are going to go in the top 45 or so. The best ones aren't making it to #60 most likely. And regardless, WR talent is much better than DE. There's pretty good depth at DT, though not so many 1T which is what we really need.
That's why I think my preferred option would be to trade down into the 30s or 40s. Realistically though, I do think some of the guys we're currently talking about here will be available at 60, but Beane is not the type of guy that sits back and thinks "I'll just take whoever falls to me because your guess is as good as mine on which one will be good." I personally have 13 WRs graded in the first two rounds, and that doesn't even include Malachi Corley, Xavier Legette, or Xavier Worthy (or guys like Javon Baker and Jermaine Burton that I haven't scouted). So we're talking about like 15-20 WRs that are top 2 round quality if you assume those guys are in. I very much doubt that 15-20 WRs will be taken in the first 59 picks.
I also don't necessarily think it has to be a pass rusher or a WR at 28. My point is moreso that I personally expect the WRs available at 28 to be borderline 1st round caliber while there will likely be higher rated prospects at other positions sitting there. Could be a defensive back, could be O-Line, DT, etc.
-
I'll give a serious response. It depends on what exactly you're looking for, but here's some of the sites/authors I like to read. I'll bold the ones that are behind paywalls.
- Reception Perception - https://receptionperception.com/; Particularly good for WRs and QBs (both for NFL players and draft prospects). The main thing I love is that they chart how often WRs run each route type, how successful they are on those routes, success rates against man vs. zone, etc. and they do similar charting for the QBs.
- Dane Brugler/The Athletic - He usually releases a handful of big boards with some blurbs about the prospects, but the real value is his extremely in depth draft guide (over 300 pages last year) breaking down pretty much every prospect with a pulse, even going back to their high school stats in a lot of cases.
- First Draft podcast with Mel Kiper & Field Yates - Can be found on any of the podcast platforms you may use and I believe they've begun televising/broadcasting on YouTube as well. I wouldn't say they go super in-depth on guys, but more just simple breakdowns of their top prospects, sleepers, WR big boards, etc.
- PFF Draft Guide - They have a lot of good NFL Draft content, but their draft guide is particularly good. In recent years, they've begun including their charting for WRs and QBs similar to Reception Perception and I always enjoy seeing the differences between their findings and the consensus (a couple notable examples this year: they have Jayden Daniels #22 on their big board, Keon Coleman #57, and Xavier Worthy #69).
- Derrik Klassen/Bleacher Report - Bleacher Report kinda hit the scene as poor quality analysis, but in recent years they've employed Matt Miller, Nate Tice, and now Derrik Klassen as their draft experts and they're all very good reads IMO. You can basically just google "(Insert Prospect Name) Scouting Report Bleacher Report" and get a pretty deep breakdown of any prospect you want.
- The Ringer NFL Draft Guide - https://nfldraft.theringer.com/; great interface and fairly detailed scouting reports on their top 50 or so prospects. They'll eventually add Ben Solak's QB charting as well, which is insanely deep.
- Daniel Jeremiah - I always enjoy reading his big boards, seeing who's moved up and down, etc.
- RAS.football - https://ras.football/ This is the guy that calculates every prospect's RAS rating (basically their athleticism score). It's the only thing on his website so no need to go there for anything else.
- Mockdraftable - https://www.mockdraftable.com/; database that basically shows how a given prospect performed at the Combine in one neat graphic.
- PlayerProfiler - https://www.playerprofiler.com/; has advanced stats for both NFL players and draft prospects. Famously the place where everyone gets prospect's breakout ages from.
- Matt Harmon YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@MattHarmonRP; This is the main guy from Reception Perception.
- 2 Minute Drill YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@2MinuteDrillFB/videos; quick two minute scouting reports of a ton of prospects
- Brett Kollman YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@BrettKollmann/videos; more in-depth film breakdowns of prospect
- Spreadsheet of videos to scout prospects yourself - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18a0E2eJPc14LmSOw6vJtvhryNWC-ojOffARtFlCV3xk/edit#gid=0
- My WR Metrics Spreadsheet - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12pCgsJPa9X-jjNMOZ_exJTAEfxmZOeETzEm8SNkuXec/edit#gid=1244172747
-
2
-
3
-
4
-
13 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
Deep draft at WR means you are getting real value at #28. If you wait till #60, that benefit is significantly diminished. It's a terrible draft at DE. The few that are truly worth a first will be long gone. (I'm not sold on Chop Robinson.) One should not conclude from that that making a rush to grab a mediocre player on DL is justified.
What the loss of the third means is that the 2nd rounder is not going to be WR, unless they end up trading back from #28.
It'll be interesting to see how the team actually feels. I personally don't think the deep WR class is about the first round personally. I know some like Kiper/Field Yates think they could tie the record for first round WRs...I'm personally not as high on them as they are. To me, there's 4 no brainer first round WRs and then there's like 10 guys that are borderline 1st/2nd round talents.
Most draft pundits have roughly 5 or 6 WRs in the top 32 of the big board and 4 or 5 pass rushers in the same range. It's just that once you get past the first round talents, there aren't many pass rushers left while there are a million WRs.
-
2
-
1
-
-
37 minutes ago, DJB said:
I am not a Legette guy, but those stats against the SEC are still good and dwarf some of the guys that are considered above him in the draft like Mitchell and Coleman. He was undeniably very productive this season, and importantly IMO was very productive against man coverage specifically.
-
1
-
-
2 hours ago, NewEra said:
I’m to a point where I’d rather trade down if Thomas and Mitchell are off the board. I think losing the 3rd rd comp picks hurts our chances of trading up very far. If Legette is the pick, I’m ok with it, but I don’t think he’s that much better than Pearsall where I wouldn’t rather have and additional 3rd rd pick from a trade down. He’s athletic and has nice speed + hands. I do think his catch radius could keep him from being our target
I have a hard time envisioning Beane, with his track record, collecting more picks when we already have 10 or whatever. But I agree, I think I’d probably look to trade down or draft a different position if Thomas doesn’t make it to 28 (which he almost certainly won’t). After the top 4, the other guys that I believe are fringe first rounders are currently sliding down the board and seem gettable in the 40s at this point.
2024 WR Draft Class
in The Stadium Wall
Posted · Edited by DCOrange
I knew the chart was gonna be good because Harmon was saying on one of his YouTube videos that he absolutely loves Odunze and was trying to hold back laughter from how good he is.
Bummer I feel like he’s most likely to end up a Jet at this point.