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I guess Josh's offseason made Cook fumble the first play from scrimmage.
And for Gabe Davis to turn a 1st down from the DEN 15 into an INT.
And for Kincaid to turn a 3rd down conversion into a punt.
Murray had a bad drop too, although that play looked like it was only going to gain a few yards.
The 2nd INT and the botched handoff with Cook were bad, but Josh had a pretty good game overall.
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I can't see this team making the playoffs even with a win next week.
We're up to 6 straight games of the offense sputtering. The DEF has been mostly bad as well even if it's forgivable given the injury situation. This is no longer a blip. This is who the Bills are this season.
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12 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:
The loss is mostly on the offence for sure.
But once AGAIN, the defence can’t make a clutch stop.
0-4 this year now in these opportunities . Haven’t made a clutch stop with under 5 minutes to go once this year.
Lets try to keep name calling out of this by the way eh👍
Special teams was ass tonight too. 12 men on the FG is an obvious blunder, but Sam Martin was averaging 44 yards on punts with no hang time to the center of the field. Big return allowed on a short kickoff too
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Don't get me wrong, the players made a LOT of mistakes tonight, but 12 men on the field there is a fireable mistake.
We had used back to back timeouts after Broncos kneeldowns and McD had ~5 minutes of real time to figure out what to do. The decision was to have 12 men on the field.
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15 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:
Now show how many teams won scoring 18 points or less. In most of those losing efforts where the D gave up 24+ points they had the same thing in common... the offense was not scoring and turning over the football. A defense can only do so much when the offense keeps putting them back on the field.
I don't care about the clock. The clock changes to be normal ToP with just one 5 minute drive by the offense instead of turning the football over after 14 seconds. Our offense gave them two extra possessions. Again, the defense stopped the Bengals 6 times. They scored 3 points the entire second half. Our offense did nothing until mid 4th quarter. The game wasn't even close before last min offense. The offense was the problem this game not the defense.
Now I am done with you because we are just going in circles and you haven't retorted anything.
13 times this season a team has won scoring 18 points or fewer. Note I'm using 'team' and not 'offense' so I'm not counting a game like the Jets vs Bills in week 1 where the Jets O scored 16 and had a special teams TD push it to 22.
Our offensive output would give us a 10% chance of winning while our defensive effort would give 5% based on the NFL averages this season.
Neither side of the ball played well enough to deserve a win, but slight edge to the Offense for being just a little bit better than the Defense. ST was bad too
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6 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:
The offense could have overcome 24 points by scoring on ANY of the 6 drives they were given. Thats nowhere near having to "play a perfect game." If you can't score once out of 6 drives then that's the problem. That same one drive takes 5 mins and suddenly the ToP is only two minutes difference. You know jack all about football. That is not a lot for an offense to overcome at all. Not even sure why you are including "that featured 4 timeouts (1 injury, 1 Bills TO, 1 Bengals TO, and the 2 minute warning)." because that doesn't add to ToP on the game clock. If anything it gives our D a rest so its a good thing. Our offense sure didn't give em any rest.
Complete list of games this season where a defense allowed 24+ points and forced 0 turnovers in a win:
Week 1:
Dolphins 36 Chargers 34
Week 2:
Giants 31 Cardinals 28
Titans 27 Chargers 24 (OT)
Falcons 25 Packers 24
Week 3:
Seahawks 37 Panthers 27
Week 4:
Eagles 34 Commanders 31
6 times out of 136 games and not once since week 4. I guess my initial estimate of the DEF giving us a 10-20% chance of winning was too generous.
As for the bolded section, that's exactly the reason I included it. The Bengals shortest drive was short because of timeouts, not because the DEF got a quick stop. I thought spelling that out would be redundant and an insult to other poster's intelligence. My apologies for misestimating you.
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19 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:
Why is 24 points too much for our offense to overcome?
Our TOP was bad because on our 3 punts, we ran 10 plays. Our INT was on 2 plays.
If it takes only 24 points on defense to give us a 10-20% chance of winning?
The shortest Bengals possession was a 1:52 TD drive that featured 4 timeouts (1 injury, 1 Bills TO, 1 Bengals TO, and the 2 minute warning). Our offense did have 2x 3 and outs and a quick turnover, but they would have to play a perfect game to have TOP be close to even.
24 points, 400 yards, 0 turnovers, 1 sack, and 36 minutes TOP is a lousy defensive game. It's not impossible to win in those circumstances, but it's a lot for an offense to overcome.
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15 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:
It doesn't matter if they gave up back to back drives. Its the same points if its back to back or 1 score in 2 different quarters. It's over the course of the whole game. The offense had 6 drives they could have scored on where the defense held them to no points and they did diddly with it other than 3 and out or turn the ball over. We turned the ball over twice to an elite offense and the rag tag defense still held them to 24 points.
As for the rest... ifs ifs ifs. None of it happened so it doesn't count. How about the tripping that would have given us a first down and 15 more yards. We could have went on to score, you don't know. It's all ifs.
You can say all you want. The fact is the offense scored 18 points and the defense allowed 24. If you expect a rag tag defense to hold an elite team under 18 points, you are out of your mind.
There's more to a game than just points. Do you think the Bills DEF (24 points allowed) played better than the Jets DEF (27 points allowed) this week ?
Turnovers, TOP, and Yards all matter and our defense was absolutely gashed the entire game without forcing a turnover.
Looking at points allowed, turnovers forced, TOP, and yards allowed the DEF gave us maybe a 10-20% chance of winning the game. I'd put the offense around the same percentile.
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3 hours ago, Scott7975 said:
I expect that if they are healthy. Did you see the list of players on defense on that final drive? You're asking the C crew to stop an elite offense. For the last time, they stopped the Bengals all game long. Where was the offense? The offense had 6 other drives to score a TD on. Yeah, thats right.... 6 other drives. You want to blame the defense over 1 drive. It wasn't even a guarantee the offense scored if they did get the ball back. Von is still coming back from an ACL. That takes time. Just because he is on the field doesn't mean he is back to himself.
Other than the worst possible 1st quarter where we gave up back to back 5+ minute TD drives ?
That's as silly as saying the offense played great because they scored a TD on their first and last possession.
The injuries are a valid excuse, but the defense played like garbage. It would've been 30+ points allowed (with 0 forced turnovers) if the refs hadn't taken that 55 yard FG off the board on a phantom false start and if the Bengals were trying to score on the last drive instead of kill the clock.
Defenses are allowed to stop elite offenses you know. The Cowboys were trailing 28-17 with 10 minutes left in the 4th Q and their offense just turned the ball over on downs. Their DEF stepped up against an elite offense and forced 3 straight 3 and outs on the Eagles final 3 possessions. They still fell short, but at least their DEF gave the OFF a chance.
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2nd worst grounding call I can remember in a Bills game
start at 1:56
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Don't know how to make a recording from youtube tv, but I re-watched the 4th Q plays.
I think the play we're looking at is actually the play that McD challenged
1st & 10 at CIN 37
(5:40 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Allen pass incomplete short left to T.Sherfield [J.Ossai]. Buffalo challenged the incomplete pass ruling, and the play was Upheld. The ruling on the field stands. (Timeout #2.)
It looks like Dawkins throws Hendrickson down, and he extends his legs out to try and hit Josh as he's falling. Hendrickson didn't connect though.
Is it still a penalty if the defender doesn't connect? The intent was there and was a dirty AF move, but Josh dodged it.
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9 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:
No team has scored 30 points on the bills this season. Buffalo is 5-1 if they hold the opponent to 20 or less (included the jets here), and 0-3 if the opponent scores 21 or more.
The Bills have been held under 21 points 4 times this year. To act like there isn't an issue with the offense is not accurate.
I don't think anyone is claiming the offense has been perfect and without blame. Just pointing out the DEF has been complete garbage
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19 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:
How many games started with back to back 5+ minute TD drives this season?
I think the answer is one. I don't want to click through all those boxscores again though.
Our defense had one of the worst (maybe THE worst) 1st Q of any game played across the NFL this season, and we have people in here blaming the offense.
You can say that the DEF is doing as well as can be expected after the injuries, but that doesn't change the fact that the DEF has been awful.
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8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
This is the modern day NFL. You have to expect shoot outs and your D to hold on where they can. After the first 2 drives, the D shut them down pretty well. But our O could not respond.
The Defense is helping the Offense.
The Offense is hurting the Defense.
How many teams won this week while allowing back to back 5+ minute TD drives to start a game? Zero
How many teams won this week while allowing back to back TDs (no TOP component) to start a game? Zero
Heck change it to the entire season.
There's not a single team that has won a game after allowing back to back 5+minute TD drives to start a game.
There's only 3 examples of teams allowing back to back TDs to start a game (no TOP component) and winning. Bills over Dolphins in week 4, Eagles over Commanders week 4, and Commanders over Broncos in week 2.
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2 minutes ago, Success said:
I hate to say the words: "complementary football."
Life is easier for defenses when their offenses stay on the field longer. Our TOP in the 1st half last night was awful.
And it's also easier on a defense when their offense can take leads. It makes the opposing offense more predictable.
Our offense hasn't been as good - so our defense is struggling accordingly. Not that the D doesn't have their own issues, too.
Life is easier for the offense when the defense doesn't start a game by allowing back to back 5+ minute TD drives.
It's also easier for the offense when the defense can get some stops early. It allows our offense to play with the entire playbook open rather than trying to play catchup.
Our defense has been dreadful - so our offense is struggling accordingly. Not that the O doesn't have their own issues, but the DEF being swiss cheese has greatly reduced the number of offensive possessions we've had since week 5.
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35 minutes ago, BigDingus said:
But we fans will act like he hasn't EARNED that reputation.
Didn't we hear another stat recently that Allen hasn't managed 2 consecutive games without a turnover?
This is why I think Allen is more hesitant now. He's aware of his reputation.
We did, but that stat is wrong. He did not have a turnover in the playoffs in consecutive weeks vs Pats and Chiefs (or the regular season finale vs Jets) so that's 3 straight games with 0 turnovers.
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5 minutes ago, Process said:
Is this true on Von? When did we restructure to make it essentially a four year deal? And why?
I always thought it was three. Being stuck with him for two more years after this one would be brutal.
Still a 3 year contract. It goes from catastrophic dead cap in the first 3 years to a 'workable' 15mm in year 4 for cutting him. Man does that deal look bad in hindsight.
Knox and Miller have workable dead cap next season if we manage to trade them post June 1st. Can't imagine there's a market for them though. They've both been bad enough this year you might consider giving up assets for another team to take them on.
Based on McBeane's history I think they're most likely to just ride them out next season.
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25 minutes ago, Billl said:
Anyone who thinks it was a clear catch should never complain about officiating again because your vision is so clouded by homerism that you have no idea what you're watching.
Do you have a screenshot of the ball touching the ground?
The pellets that we can see are pretty clearly from the back of Sherfields hand scraping the turf. The ball hits his hand, bounces up, and then Sherfield completes the catch with the ball never touching the ground.
100% a catch. Unless you have an angle that I didn't see in the broadcast.
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I'd put the over/under at 1 win if Kyle Allen were to finish the remainder of the season as our QB. "Any given sunday" and all that could lead to a fluky win. Really hard to see a second win though.
The defense without Tre, Milano, and Jones are a below average unit. Bottom 10 if not bottom 5.
On the offensive side we have Diggs, a superstar #1 WR, and that's about it. Kincaid might be a good TE. The O-line is average-ish. No running game to speak of.
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2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
The law firm of Jackson and Johnson were very good. Diggs & Kincaid (minus the fumble) were good. Maybe Dawkins best game of the year.
everything else sucked, especially being hungover at work.
After watching the Eagles game I told my buddy that Dawkins should say F it and just false start on every single play.
He really took my advice to heart.
Now if only Spencer Brown would do the same.
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4 hours ago, motorj said:
The challenge and going for 2, the worst calls of the day, bengals now forced and determined not to give the ball back or the'd lose with a td
Does anyone think this Bills defense would get a stop either way ? I like the aggressiveness of going for 2 there. Interestingly enough it was an identical situation to the Bucs game last week, only the Bucs defense got a stop.
I liked the challenge too. It 100% should've been overturned.
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2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Is this actually a serious post?Too many cooks in the kitchen as it were
If Douglas comes in and wants to be the vocal leader of the defense I could see that leading to some issues
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Do the Bills REALLY need another veteran leadership type guy? Don't we already have Hyde, Poyer, and Von Miller leading the defense?
Like him as a player and it's a great fit on paper for a position of need.
Hopefully he doesn't clash with the leadership guys we already have
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Just now, GottaRun said:
This week I'd say the previous concussion was Purdy's problem. I say previous because he took a hard hit to the back of the head (head to turf) on the second last play of the game, and it won't shock me if they gave him a another one.I think Purdy and the offense are who they've been all year. The last 2 weeks the DEF has been shredded. Purdy and the O are not nearly as good when playing from behind and he's a turnover machine when trying to make something happen late in games.
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I've scoffed at the idea that Josh is 'checked out' or whatever, but I thought his lack of enthusiasm after the go-ahead TD with 1:55 left was extremely telling.
Maybe he was trying to not show any emotion after the taunting penalty last week. Maybe during the 2 minute warning McD told the offense to not score on the first play and to burn more time off the clock. Maybe he's shell-shocked from the number of times he's scored a late go-ahead TD and still lost.