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12 hours ago, ngbills said:
Any team that has a top 3 QB should win or the coach should be fired. So no 11-6 or 10-7 should not be viewed as a success.
We don't just have a top 3 QB. We have a top 3 QB on a rookie contract. 12 wins should have been the floor for this team.
Having a QB that's around even league average on a rookie contract is a gigantic advantage in today's NFL. The Eagles won a SB with Wentz on a rookie contract. The Rams made the SB with Goff on a rookie contract. Josh is so much better than either of those guys and we're only a bubble playoff team at week 13 of the season.
What is this team going to look like when Josh's 10mm cap hit turns into 40+mm?
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4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
No it doesnt. That is a 7th. Which I dont count in my examples of a good performance because I am based enough in reality to know that wasnt a good performance.
Punt (3 plays)
Punt (3 plays)
TD (3 plays)
FG (9 plays)
Punt (3 plays)
Punt (4 plays)
Punt (5 plays)
FG (14 plays)
Punt (3 plays)
Ouch buddy. When you're trying to twist the stats at least own up to it. When you say 5 plays or less* that would mean the 5 play Punt drive wouldn't count.
Punt (3 plays)
Punt (3 plays)
TD (3 plays)
FG (9 plays)
Punt (3 plays)
Punt (4 plays)
Punt (5 plays)
FG (14 plays)
Punt (3 plays)
*fewer
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6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Held them to 240yds total offense, 14 points, 6 of 9 possessions 5 plays or less. And you put the larger percentage on the Defense?
You guys really expect any team to hold another offense to, what, 0 yards just because they are going to run every play? Cmon.
I find it more than a little ironic that you keep mentioning that 6 of 9 possessions were 5 plays or less. That includes the 3 play 69 yard TD drive that had the most important play of the game.
In normal weather conditions holding a team to 240 yards and 14 points would be an exceptionally good game. In the exceptional weather conditions last night, with the opponent running on 95%+ of the plays, allowing 240 yards and 14 points (with 0 forced turnovers) is bad.
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14 minutes ago, damj said:
8 of the 14 points were a short field after a ST turnover. Otherwise, the D gave up 6 points.
The offense had 3 drives into the red zone in the 4th quarter and had 3 points.
Defense was not the problem
You're mixing the teams up
The Bills were the team that recovered a ST turnover and scored on a short field
The only Bills turnover was by the offense (Breida's fumble) that NE recovered at their own 31
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5 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:
What's fishy? Are you implying that the NFL, coaches, and ESPN are all in on the fix? Just because they didn't show it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. At the end of the game I'm pretty sure McD would notice unjustly losing 30+ seconds.
I'm not saying it's some vast conspiracy. Incompetence is normally the answer, and there were definitely mistakes made here. Whether it was Bills coaches, the refs, ESPN, or the Bills players.
- If there was a serious injury the refs should've blown the play dead immediately
- If it was a minor injury the Bills players/coaches should've been smart enough to know the player had to limp off (or carried off by teammates) to avoid a 4th timeout and subsequent runoff after the play clock reset
- If there was an injury there's a mistake in either the boxscore or by the announcers. Unless both Dodson and Milano were both hurt at the same time
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3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
How were they surprised by it when they forced 3 and outs on over half the drives?
222 rushing yards sounds bad, but not when you consider the Pats total offense was 240 yards. Some offenses put up more yards in a half.
We all knew the run was coming, so did the D, and they stopped it.
222 rushing yards sounds bad because it is bad. Teams lose 85%+ of the time when allowing that many rushing yards.
In the last 3 extreme weather games in Buffalo (Ravens playoff game and Colts snow game) the 14 points that the Patriots offense scored is the most by any offense
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46 carries for 222 yards
3 pass attempts
In terms of offensive play calls this was one of the most lop-sided games in NFL history. They had 30+ straight running plays. I knew they were going to run the ball, my mom knew they were going to run the ball, all 70k+ people in the stadium knew they were going to run the ball, but apparently the Bills DEF and coaches were surprised by it. The Patriots having any sort of running success in that scenario should be an embarrassment to the defense and coaches.
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1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:
Whether the lineman is engaged or not doesn't matter; it's all about how far downfield he is.
It very much does matter. As long as an O-linemen engages with the defender within 1 yard of the LOS they are allowed to push them downfield as far as they want.
I can't really tell from these computer generated dots if Williams engages the defender within 1 yard.
NFL rulebook below (emphasis added):
ECTION 3 - INELIGIBLE PLAYER DOWNFIELD
ARTICLE 1. LEGAL AND ILLEGAL ACTS
On a scrimmage play during which a legal forward pass is thrown, an ineligible offensive player, including a T-formation quarterback, is not permitted to move more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage before the pass has been thrown.
Item 1. Legally Downfield. An ineligible player is not illegally downfield if, after initiating contact with an opponent within one yard of the line of scrimmage during his initial charge:
(a) he moves more than one yard beyond the line while legally blocking or being blocked by an opponent
(b) after breaking legal contact with an opponent more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, he remains stationary until a forward pass is thrown
(c) after losing legal contact with an opponent more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, he is forced behind the line of scrimmage by an opponent, at which time he is again subject to normal blocking restrictions for an ineligible offensive player.
Note: If an ineligible offensive player moves beyond the line while legally blocking or being blocked by an opponent, an eligible offensive player may catch a pass between them and the line of scrimmage.-
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19 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:
It's not a "phantom" injury if Dodson actually went down. And it depends on when he went down. After he goes down, they have to run down the clock further, according to the rules.
So none of this indicates anything fishy occurred. If it was fishy, then we probably would've seen McDermott yelling at the refs again. Instead, we saw him yelling at his own coaches.
That's the whole point though. We don't know when (or even if) Dodson went down. We don't even know if it was Dodson or Milano.
If Dodson went down with an injury around 1:20 then the refs did everything correctly.
I find it potentially fishy for these reasons:
1) Refs blew their whistles for an injury 30 seconds after the play
2) No replay was ever shown
3) Boxscore says the injury was to Dodson. Announcers said it was Milano
As far as McDermott yelling at the refs, I'm not entirely confident he would understand the 4th timeout and time implications in the heat of the moment.
Even if something untoward did happen it's probably a moot point. The Bills would've needed to score a TD in the final ~25 seconds going into the wind
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10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Nah. Hero Ball is far more subtle.
Hero Ball is going for unnecessary shots instead of taking what is there and living to fight another day (or set of downs).
Hero Ball is on 2nd and 9 forcing a low percentage deep ball to Sanders which leads to 3rd and 9, instead of the open guy underneath for 5-7 yards and a much more manageable 3rd and short. Which he has done multiple times in multiple games.
And Hero Ball is taking a shot at the end zone when all you needed was a 1st down.
There was no need to be locked in on Davis who he knew was running a route to the end zone, and missing a blatantly open Bease because he wouldnt even look his way.
I will agree that Josh has played hero ball, at times, this year. I also agree that it has put us in bad positions and potentially cost us games.
The 4th down play last night, in a vacuum, is about the farthest thing you can get from hero ball. It was 4th and 14 from the 18 yard line and the Patriots brought an all out blitz. Targeting the end zone vs going for a 1st down would have about the same chance of success (pretty slim). Beasley was not wide open when Allen was forced into making a decision on where to throw the ball.
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5 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:
I didn't like it, but I don't think that was an error. It was inside 2 minutes and the Bills had no timeouts right?
Also, was Milano even injured? I'm pretty sure he was in on the next play. What even happened?
The whole sequence in the last 2 minutes was bizarre. ESPN had a lengthy commercial break for the 2 minute warning and when we got back to the game a Patriots player was suddenly "hurt". They cut to commercial again and then we had our 4th down play.
I think OP is complaining about the sequence that I have bolded below:
1st & 10 at NE 19
(1:55 - 4th) One-yard difference on change of possession. R.Stevenson right tackle to NE 21 for 2 yards (H.Phillips).
(0:21 - 4th) Timeout #3 by BUF at 01:50.
2nd & 8 at NE 21
(1:50 - 4th) R.Stevenson up the middle to NE 23 for 2 yards (E.Ankou). BUF-T.Dodson was injured during the play.
(1:18 - 4th) Timeout #4 by BUF at 01:23. Extra timeout granted due to injury inside 2:00.
(0:44 - 4th) Timeout #2 by NE at 00:44.
3rd & 6 at NE 23
(0:43 - 4th) M.Jones kneels to NE 19 for -4 yards.
4th & 10 at NE 19
(0:01 - 4th) (Run formation) PENALTY on NE, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at NE 19 - No Play.
4th & 15 at NE 14
(0:00 - 4th) M.Jones kneels to NE 10 for -4 yards.
The broadcast never showed a Bills player down with an injury after the 2nd down play. They refs let 30 seconds run off the clock before blowing their whistles, at which point there was a lengthy discussion and they said that play was stopped due to a Bills injury and there would be a 4th TO charged to the Bills. The announcers said that Milano was injured (but again, never showed a replay). Boxscore says that Dodson was injured.
My big question is why did they let 30 seconds run after the 2nd down play before blowing whistles for a (phantom?) injury?
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1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Josh had Bease WIDE OPEN for at least the 1st down, if not a touchdown, on that last play. He chose to play Hero Ball, again, and forced a bad pass to Davis.
Until he learns to take what they give him, we're going to have issues.
On him as well. Entire right side of the field was open, and instead of bouncing it outside which every RB should want to do, he cut it back into an awaiting defender.
There are definitely coaching and game plan issues, but player execution has been horrible as well.
Posters throw the term "hero ball" around way too much on these boards. That 4th down play was the opposite of hero ball.
"Hero ball" would have been Allen trying to dodge the unblocked blitzer on his own, scrambling around, and then heaving up a prayer or trying to run for it on his own.
In the face of an all out blitz Allen stood his ground in the pocket and threw it a fraction of a second before being sacked. He made a mistake in who he threw it too (or maybe the wind took it), but that's not hero ball at all.
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If not now, then when?
Having a top 5 QB on a rookie contract is a gigantic advantage for constructing a roster.
If Beane can't build a superbowl contending roster while Josh has a 10mm cap hit - what makes you think he'll be able to build one in the future when Josh has a 40mm cap hit?
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16 minutes ago, nkreed said:
He challenged because he had to. Hindsight is 20/20, but in the moment he has to hope there is another angle. With all of that said, go back and check the placement of the ball compared to BOTH line judges coming in. The ball gets pushed forward a FULL YARD from their spots (which were both a little of from one another). It was a BS updated spot after Vinovich called 1st down without measurement.
Anyone that's watched the NFL should know that refs only overturn yardage spots if there is concrete evidence to do so. In a replay where you literally can't see Mac Jones or the ball there's a 0% chance that it would be overturned. Completely wasted timeout that loomed large by the end of the game.
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2 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:
I think people wanting to blame the defense for the loss just dont want to put the blame where it really belongs: Allen and the offense choking over and over again
I think there's plenty of blame to go around. Trying to decide if the offense or defense deserves more blame is rather like picking between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.
Sure, the defense gave up "only" 14 points, but in those weather conditions that's a lot. Comparable games would be Ravens playoff game and the Colts snow game. 14 points is the most scored by any offense in those 3 games.
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24 minutes ago, Gugny said:
McDermott was asked why he kept both of them (McKittrick and Stevenson) down for this game and he referred to the play in the game where the Patriots muffed a punt and it lead to the Bills touchdown.
“The same reason they turned it over on their punt return team - I didn’t want to do that,” McDermott said. “I wanted to put a guy back there that I trusted and was gonna make good decisions with the ball.”
McDermott is an idiot. McKenzie was among the league's best returners prior to being benched. This is a really dumb way to "make a statement," and it's hurting the team.
The comments aren't as bad as others are making them out to be.
More than a little ironic that the guy McDermott trusts to return kick offs had an unforced lost fumble on offense, and also muffed a kickoff (which thankfully went out the endzone and didn't cost us).
Side note - it's pretty bogus that Breida's fumble gets credited to Josh. Looked like a routine handoff to me
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1 minute ago, Buffalo Junction said:
This again? Cool 😎. Can we comment on Dodson getting washed out while railing edmunds?
One of these guys is a depth LB getting paid league minimum.
The other is a team "leader" that is going to be paid 12+million next season.
It seemed like every big running play featured Edmunds hitting the wrong gap, or getting dominated by a 1 on 1 block
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3 hours ago, Bills92 said:
Loved when TO came here... But similar to when Lynch was the Legend of the Game, I struggle with honoring players from the drought years - let alone a 'Legend' who played one year for a 6-10 team. There are only a handful of legends from the drought years.. and they start and end with Fitzy, FJax, Eric Wood, and Kyle
You forgot Brian Moorman !
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28 minutes ago, Beast said:
Even more amusing that the "play action" that fools nobody, may be Josh Allen's hard count that also fools nobody.
And, no, I'm not bashing Allen. I am happy he is our QB. I just find his hard counts funny.
I disagree.
Allen's hard counts routinely fool his own O-linemen
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1 minute ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:
14 of the 24 points were though of the offenses and ST own making.
Allen's first INT was returned to the Colts 43 yard line. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the DEF to force a punt there (or at least hold them to a FG).
The McKenzie fumble recovered at the 2 is a different story of course.
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8 minutes ago, zow2 said:
As i said in another thread. May be more appropriate here. No team that gets dominated like that in a big game, at home, will be a threat to win the Super bowl. That dream has died today. Buf might still be able to sneak in as a wild card but it’s hard to tell. If they lose to the Saints then no. If they beat the Saints then they Need to at least split with NE.
Too may other AFC teams have 6-7 wins already.
Superbowl winning teams can and do lose blowout losses at home. The SB champion Bucs lost 38-3 to the Saints at home in week 9 last year.
One god awful game from the Bills doesn't invalidate the rest of the season. We're still one of the most talented teams in the NFL and if we play to our potential we should beat any team.
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I'm actually a bit curious how the SEC allows this. What they are offering are not "shares" in any sense of the word.
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This is fascinating to me.
I thought Allen would've had significantly better stats in 2020 than in 2021.
With league average QB play last year we probably finish 8-8 or so.
With league average QB play in 2021 we'd probably be 5-3, if not 6-2 so far.
I guess that speaks more to the DEF than to Josh Allen, but it is interesting.
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19 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:
You know I never said kick a 65 yd FG. I said don't take a sack and put yourself needing a 65 yarder. Or kick a 45 yarder instead of going for it on 4th and fumbling.
The fumble was on 3rd down. Not to mention it would've been a 55 yarder
3rd & 2 at JAX 37
(5:41 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Allen right end to JAX 38 for -1 yards (D.Smoot). FUMBLES (D.Smoot), RECOVERED by JAX-J.Allen at JAX 37.
You may be confusing it with this play where Ike had a false start:
4th & 2 at JAX 43
(10:04 - 4th) (Shotgun) PENALTY on BUF-I.Boettger, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at JAX 43 - No Play.
I doubt there's a single coach in the NFL that would have attempted a 61 yard FG instead of going for the 4th down there (and it's a moot point after the false start penalty).
I think the sack in question is this play:
3rd & 7 at JAX 39
(1:17 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Allen sacked at JAX 48 for -9 yards (D.Smoot).
That would've been a 57 yard FG attempt had we run the ball for no gain and with the way we were failing at running the ball (for the entire game and season) can you really fault the play call there?
Josh Allen Complaints
in The Stadium Wall
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During this last game I only saw Josh complaining to the refs after legitimate roughing the passer penalties went uncalled, or when the Patriots plainly jumped offside and it was not called.
The Pats had 2 plays where the defender drove him into the ground with their full weight on top of him. Those 100% should have been penalties and were not called.
His complaining may have helped lead to the (borderline) late hit they called on the Patriots later in the game. The announcers freaked out and said it was a bad call, but I thought it was a good one. Josh was clearly half a yard out of bounds by the time the defender initiated contact. Who knows if the refs call that or not without Josh complaining earlier.