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5 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:
Thinking this out, with 2 AFC teams missing games against the Titans, with playoff implications, wouldn’t it make more sense for the NFL to give a forfeit win to an NFC team? How is it fair to the rest of the AFC to give the Bills/Steelers a W and make the rest of the teams play the Titans?
How does that make any kind of sense?
The Titans have to forfeit for breaking the rules, and those wins should go to an NFC team???
Not following the logic
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3 hours ago, whatdrought said:
I don't think Rodgers has an edge over Allen at all:
Allen | Rodgers
Comp% -- 70.9% > 70.5%
PYRDS -- 1,326 > 1,214
PTD's -- 12 < 13
INT's -- 1 > 0
YPA -- 8.7 < 9
YPC -- 12.6 > 12.4
RYRDS -- 83 > 31
RTDS -- 3 > 0
GWD -- 2 > 1
It's close, no doubt, but Allen has the edge here. Especially when you consider that the INT, and one less passing TD is a direct result of ref screw jobs... Obviously those happen, so it's not worth much, but it changes how these numbers are viewed (though I couldn't swear that Rodgers hasn't had similar things happen to him).
It's also worth noting, that while Allen has better pass catchers, he actually has more drops than Rodgers (10 to AR's 7) which really is the metric for how the receivers are helping, I think. Furthermore, Rodgers has the #4 rushing attack in the league on his side compared to Allen's #28.
The last really interesting thing comparing the two is On target % according to pro football reference:
Allen 85.4% >> Rodgers 57.5%
I personally don't put too much stock in stats like that, but there it is for what that's worth.
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Allen: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm
Rodgers: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RodgAa00.htm
Few more stats
QB rating is 128.4 for Rodgers to 122.7 for Allen (we can make the argument Allens INT wasn't really an INT, but ultimately that's how the NFL scored it).
Rodgers has 0 fumbles. Allen has 2 fumbles
From a stats perspective it really is neck and neck, but I'd give the slight edge to the 0 turnovers
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9 minutes ago, whatdrought said:
No doubt. I'm not taking away from Rodgers, just that he isn't statistically as good as Allen.
You're right.
Rogers has a slight statistical edge over Allen.
Wilson has the statistical edge over either Rodgers or Allen, and if the season ended today (with the narrative that he's been an elite player for so long without an MVP), would probably be unanimous MVP.
To OP's list:
I don't think they'd give DPOY to Garrett unless he's a complete run away stats wise. Bad optics to give him that award after the helmet beating incident
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53 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:
So was it Carr or Mack and Cooper?
It was all of them. My point is that Carr was good enough to have a 12 win season when he had a strong supporting cast.
Do you think the Bills would be 4-0 right now if Diggs and White were not on the team?
The Raiders had a good team, but decided to blow it up for some reason. I can empathize with Carr's statement about losing
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17 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:
Ah 1 season, every other one he has been the QB on a below .500 Team.
we have seen our share of Carr’s as Bills fans. Glad we have Allen.When's the last time the Bills had a 12 win season? To then trade away one of the best defensive players in the league (Mack) and a bonafide #1 WR (Cooper)?
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8 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:
I remember it all. I don’t want Carr anywhere near my team, that guy isn’t a winner, Allen is, thank goodness for Bills fans.
Remember when Carr had a good supporting cast and the Raiders started the season 12-3 ?
2016 is ancient history I guess
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Re Officiating:
The John Brown TD is another ridiculous "play stands" that went against the Bills. I'm guessing the replay official decided there was not conclusive evidence that Brown completed the process of the catch while the ball was on the goal line.
The Carr would be fumble that they declared his forward progress was stopped was a pretty terrible call. That was a routine strip sack, and I didn't hear a whistle until well after the Bills had recovered (if the ref had truly thought Carr's progress was stopped they should have blown it dead immediately).
The refs called 3 offensive holding penalties on the Bills. The only one that got a replay was the call on Diggs, and it was a very weak call by 2020 standards. The other 2 holding calls did not stand out to me live and did not get replays.
Poyers DPI was a weak call. The block in the back they called on the Raiders was a very weak call.
The illegal formation that took the long TD off the board was the right call, but had no impact on the play itself.
The play where they called offsetting penalties I thought calls on both teams were weak.
All in all a pretty terrible showing by the refs. I disagreed with a majority of the calls they made, and disagreed with the non-overturn on Browns TD. Why even have reviews/challenges if the refs refuse to correct mistakes?
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5 minutes ago, TBBills said:
Why b.c a few players got it in week 4? Lol
I mean... one game has been cancelled this week, and another has been postponed. Literally unprecedented
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Before the season started I thought we would finish 10-6.
After the 3-0 start, with how Josh Allen is playing, and with how the DEF is playing I think 10-6 is the worst we would finish (barring injuries).
I have faith that McDermott will fix the DEF, but even if he doesn't, JA is playing well enough to get us to 10 wins. If the DEF gets fixed we're looking like a legit contender and should expect 12+ wins (again, barring injuries).
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1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:
The reason the Horsecollar is so dangerous is typically with a guy running you are grabbing and then throwing your body across the back of their legs.
I believe the NFL felt in the pocket - the chance of a guy falling across the back of the legs is less and that typically it will happen rarely and the QB will be just planted down. I think they feel it is much less dangerous in that small area with out the QB running.
Obviously when a man like Donald gets ahold of you and twists and flings - it is dangerous, but then the Refs should call the roughing call for the tackle - not the horsecollar. He should have gotten flagged for hitting Allen in the face and for the way he threw him down.
I understand it seems strange to carve it out, but my guess is the QBs have other protections - so inherently they felt it was less of an issue. We can agree or not, but it is the rules - where he grabbed him (after hitting him in the face) was not the issue. The throw down and hitting Allen in the face and tugging on the face mask - all should have been penalized as I am sure Allen politely pointed out to the Ref.
I think the danger with horse collar tackles is less about the defender falling across the back of the legs, and more to do with how a person crumples when they are tackled that way (both are dangerous though).
In that video the defender doesn't touch TO's legs. His body crumples and he blows out his knee.
For the play in the Bills game, I think if that same play happens and the defender isn't named "Donald", or the QB isn't named "Allen", they would call it roughing.
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16 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:
Would you have fired Beane when he gutted the roster here?
No, but I wasn't looking to scapegoat Mcdermott for going 6-10 with a terrible roster either.
I think Gase does need to stop getting blown out though, a few games to prove the players didn't quit on him should be enough to save his job
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Our defense has a bad habit of disappearing for multiple games at a time. This has happened every season under Mcdermott.
2017
Week 9 21-34 L to Jets
Week 10 10-47 L to Saints
Week 11 24-54 L to Chargers
That was 3 consecutive games our defense couldn't stop a thing (remember the Saints running the ball 15 consecutive plays?)
2018
Week 1 3-47 L to Ravens
Week 2 20-31 L to Chargers
The defense allowed a TD on pretty much every drive until the 2nd half of the Chargers game
2019
Week 7 31-21 W vs Dolphins
Week 8 13-31 L to Eagles
Our run D was absolutely gashed in consecutive weeks. Luckily the Dolphins were a terrible team and didn't capitalize.
2020
Weeks 2 + 3. Don't think I need to elaborate here. Thankfully Allen and the offense are playing fantastic football and we're winning.
McDermott is slow to adjust, but he has adjusted in every season and righted the ship. I have faith he'll do so again this season.
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Maybe I'm the only one, but if I was a Jets fan I'd want to see the GM fired before Gase.
Gase has proven he's an average to a little below average HC through 4 years in the league with a 30-37 record for 2 teams that did not have high expectations or very good rosters.
I'm looking up and down that roster and I see a team that would be in the running for 1st overall pick regardless of who the coach is.
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42 minutes ago, Doc said:
I didn’t think so but wasn’t sure after learning the Calvin Johnson rule had quietly been eliminated over the off-season.I was worried they were going to review the DPI call at the end of the game. Then I learned that pass interference is no longer reviewable. Pretty funny that they tried it out for a year and then scrapped it b/c they were too cowardly to actually overturn bad calls. They'll probably re-instate it after another rams vs saints fiasco
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1 hour ago, Doc said:
Did they get rid of the “tie goes to the offensive player” rule as well over the off-season, like they did the Calvin Johnson rule? If not, then it smacks of game fixing.
No they have not changed that rule
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/completing-a-catch/
If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.
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27 minutes ago, RichVP said:
The call was horrible. The fact it was upheld was horrible.
I believe it comes from the inconsistency of the replay standard of evidence. It was generally accepted that most of these close calls you err on the side of a score or turnover because it gives you an automatic chance to review and give the correct call.
Then the standard for "clear and obvious" has shifted over the years and egregiously so this year so far. They've conditioned the refs to go with the call that gives a replay so you could get it right, then took away the ability to get it right with a centralized booth review from NY with an extreme standard for evidence.I find it ironic that they had "clear and obvious" evidence to overturn the Diggs TD earlier in the game. On replay it looks like the ball hit the grass, but Diggs had his hands under the ball and the ball didn't move when it hit the grass. Moot point I guess since we got a TD a few plays later
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1 minute ago, loedward22 said:
I understand that being the case live, but once something has been called an interception and they have to review it, then it seems to me like the standard has changed (as it now needs to be conclusive).... Is there any precedence for this situation and if so how was it handled?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXGFZkIEMK0&ab_channel=NFL
That play is close, but not exactly the same. The refs ruled that a TD (simultaneous catch) and let the play stand after review.
My thought for today's play: If the replay is inconclusive, doesn't that mean it was a simultaneous catch? Which by definition would go to the offense.
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2 minutes ago, loedward22 said:
I haven't heard this question discussed anywhere (TV, post game radio, nor on here). If they call it an interception on the field, don't they need conclusive evidence to overturn it? Therefore the problem was them calling it an interception on the field, and there not being anything conclusive to overturn it. From every angle they showed it was a fifty fifty which is the opposite of conclusive...
50/50 actually is conclusive per the NFL rulebook. In the event of a simultaneous catch the tie goes to the offense.
- If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.
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Via a pool reporter, NFL Senior Vice President of Officiating Al Riveron said, “Anytime we go into a replay review, we have to start with the ruling on the field. And the ruling on the field is an interception. So therefore, the officials ruled that the process of the catch had not been completed by the offensive player. And if the process of the catch is not over, in their opinion, the defender comes up with the football and they rule an interception.
"We have to start with the ruling on the field, and that’s why I want to walk you through the process. The ruling on the field is an interception. In order for us to change the ruling on the field, we have to have clear and obvious visual evidence to overturn that ruling. So therefore, if they rule that the process of the catch is not over and the defender comes up with the ball, we have to have clear and obvious evidence to rule otherwise, which we don’t. We do not have clear and obvious evidence to rule otherwise. Therefore, we must stay with the ruling on the field.”
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19 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said:
Yes, TERRIBLE call... but I blame the ref on the field WAY less than the NFL replay headquarters. ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?? They reviewed that and agreed??? Worst call I've ever seen (on the same level as the Saints non PI and the tuck call in 2000). Sometimes refs on the field can mess up (it's fast action), but for the replay guys to agree... I fell off my couch. I no longer trust anything, and have to believe some sort of fix was in... that was unreal. I mean, how in the F could they agree with that call??? Ruined the game for me... I was going to break stuff if they lost. Thankfully... Josh/Bills manned up and beat the refs... I mean the Rams. I even stood up and flicked off the TV when the Bills scored, "F You, Refs"
Reminds me of the Seahwaks vs Packers fail mary with the scab refs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXGFZkIEMK0&ab_channel=NFL
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I'm absolutely flabbergasted that the refs didn't overturn this call. It was, objectively, the wrong call.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/completing-a-catch/
From the NFL rulebook
4. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.
Per the underlined sentence, this was NOT a simultaneous catch. Kroft clearly makes the catch and then the defender gains joint control.
Per the bolded sentence, even if this was a simultaneous catch (which it was not), the tie goes to the offense.
I'm disgusted that this call wasn't overturned, and am really looking forward to an explanation from the league office (unlikely to happen, but a guy can dream).
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I had to look this one up, because it makes no sense to me that a defender is allowed to horse collar a QB if they are in the pocket.
No player shall grab the inside collar of the back or the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, or grab the jersey at the name plate or above, and pull the runner toward the ground. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket.
They got it right. No idea why the rule is written that way
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2 hours ago, Hebert19 said:
This is gold Jerry. Gold
Mulva??
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Dolores!!
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4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:
His injury status is critical for this game imo. He hasn’t had a lot of production so far but he creates. Big mismatch for the rams LBs and secondary when you look at their personnel. He’s on the bike today which means he should be in at least stage 2. We will see how he progresses.
Critical? At least half the roster is more important than he is.
I'll admit he's shown some potential and has a few very exciting plays. However, if we're judging him on his overall play the guy is one of the worst starting TE in the league
My 2 biggest disappointments this year are Edmunds & Oliver
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I'd give an HM to Tre White. After signing that huge contract I'd expect him to continue playing to at least a pro-bowl level, but he's been pretty bad (and now injured).