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52 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
His $12.7M cap hit would transfer entirely to the acquiring team...........there is no unamortized signing bonus or roster bonus etc...........its all just guaranteed base salary.
Spotrac shows 12.7mm dead cap if we cut Edmunds even though his cap is 100% base salary. I always thought being traded vs being cut would have the same dead cap hit. Is it different in this case?
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14 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:
Seattle traded for Jamal Adams. Gave up a ransom for him and then extended him. Teams do this all the time. Usually with an understanding with the player/agent that they will extend them before the trade is made. Dallas with Amari Cooper is another example.
I want to rid the Bills of Edmunds and his contract. Klein and a top 100 rookie pick can do what Edmunds has done for the last four years.
Trading Edmunds doesn't make any sense from the Bills perspective. His 12.7mm active cap hit would turn into 12.7mm dead cap hit. No savings at all.
I don't like Edmunds and wish we hadn't picked up the 5th year option, but we're stuck with him for next season.
For OP my pie in the sky scenario is signing Chris Godwin.
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Don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but maybe he doesn't deal well with seeing other people's injuries. Like someone that faints at the sight of blood. Removing himself from the situation would be the best response.
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13 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:
Is it me or did it seem like Jalen Ramsey was falling down constantly and letting guys get wide open?
You mean *best CB in the league* Jalen Ramsey?
Dude was getting burned all day 😀
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5 minutes ago, mannc said:
Highly unlikely anyone would or could “plead the fifth” in such a case. And you’re just assuming witnesses will lie under oath…to protect an ass***e like Ross?
All it would take is one witness with some credibility saying that they heard Ross say it…or a text or email from Ross, and he’s cooked.
What people, specifically, do you think would have been witness to this conversation between Ross and Flores ?
From Flores's lawsuit it seems like a 1 on 1 conversation between Ross and Flores. The only other person who might've been involved would be the GM Grier.
Do you think Ross would testify that he broke the law and asked Flores to throw games? Would Grier testify against his current boss and likely destroy his future NFL career ? I think Ross/Grier would be left with 3 options. 1- plead the fifth, 2 - say they can't recall the specifics of the conversation, or 3- say that Flores is mis-remembering/interpreting the conversation
Text/email would be a different story. It seems unlikely that Ross sent Flores anything in writing or Flores would've included it in the initial lawsuit. Then it comes down to whether or not a judge would grant a fishing expedition subpoena for Ross's emails/texts. I think that would be unlikely at this point (with no other corroborating witness/evidence other than what Flores says happened), but who knows.
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27 minutes ago, mannc said:
It’s a lawsuit, in federal court. Flores’s lawyers can subpoena witnesses to testify under oath as part of discovery. The case doesn’t have to go to trial for that to happen.
"I plead the fifth"
or
"I do not recall that conversation"
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1 hour ago, White Linen said:
Then maybe focus on what he did to his kid might jade you a bit more on him.
He took a switch to his kid and went overboard with it. He ended up with no jail time, probation, and a $4,000 fine.
Did he get a sweetheart deal because he's rich and famous with a good attorney? That's definitely a possibility. It's also possible that what he did wasn't that egregious and probation with a 4k fine is an appropriate punishment.
I think it's more than fair to say that AP is a piece of ***** as a human being, but I don't think he's a big enough piece of ***** to be disqualified from the HOF. There's a lot of guys in the HOF with very questionable pasts (including a number of Bills).
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30 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Q still coming out of his stance and Donald is already by him. LOL
Example #6,587 of why a screengrab is not a good way to evaluate a play
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Outside of BUF/KC the divisional round was also full of poorly played slop-ball that ended in close scores (and I'm sure there are some purists out there that didn't like our game b/c nobody played DEF).
The Rams were the only team that generally played well in that round, but they lost FOUR fumbles to leave the game open for TB.
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28 minutes ago, White Linen said:
Yeah I definitely see your point. It's interesting how the NFL handles these controversies differently and gets the media to follow suit.
I posed the question but knew the answer. They'll be celebrated despite some pretty awful actions.
You're not suggesting Peterson possibly didn't do this are you?
No, from what's being reported so far it certainly seems he did it. What he (allegedly) did was get into a verbal argument and then try to rip his wife's ring off, causing a scratch to her finger. She doesn't want to press charges.
I don't know if that would get prison time for an average Joe, let alone a famous millionaire athlete.
Domestic Violence is never ok, but there are degrees to it. I don't think AP has crossed a line that would ultimately keep him out of the HOF.
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1 hour ago, White Linen said:
That's kind of my point. I can't think of an NFL player shun worthy like the MLB has had. I know there's been players with some documented off field issues but to Peterson's level?
Let's wait and see if Peterson is even charged, let alone convicted.
Big Ben seems to be widely viewed as a HOFer and the allegations against him were much more serious.
If I was going to bet on it I think both AP and Ben make it, but not in their first year of eligibility.
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16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
By what criteria?
2nd for sacks given up, 6th for rush yards per game and Y/A doesn't sound like "worst in the league".
I'm not trying to argue they're top-10 or top-5 - Allen gets out of trouble on his own a lot - but I'd like to know by what criteria they're "one of the worst"
By my own hyperbolic eye test 😄
I posted that back in November and I will happily admit the O-Line looked much better (maybe a little above league average) down the stretch once we put Bates into the starting lineup. It's tough to gauge the O-Line when we have a unicorn at QB. Put Kirk Cousins back there and I have to imagine we'd have a bottom tier rushing attack and be close to most sacks allowed.
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3 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:
manning made 3 titles in his prime and another on coat tails. So again i disagree. Win a freaking conference title man. Sometimes i think people underrate what top 5 means. Its HALLOWED ground man. Winning matters. It needs to matter...
And when did i say Elway was clutch for that superbowl? Elway is considered clutch because of his whole career and body of work. which, again, includes 5 SUPERBOWLS. i feel like your whole aim is slanting narratives. you conveniently leave out Elways 2nd title where he went for 330 yds and a 100 qb rating. And again leave out the fact he won his own conference 5 teams.... you just keep harping elways subpar superbowl win. its odd.
Rodgers
Overall playoffs 11-9
Conference Championship 1-4
Superbowl 1-0 with 1 SB MVP
Elway
Overall playoff record 14-7
Conference Championship 5-1
Superbowl 2-3 with 1 SB MVP
Elway (prior to his final 2 seasons with a stacked team)
Overall playoffs 7-7
Conference Championship 3-1
Superbowl 0-3 (1 bad and 2 dreadful games)
Honestly I don't know if either guy should be considered clutch in the playoffs. Elway's 5-1 conference title record is impressive, but he followed those up with 4 pretty bad SB performances. Rodgers only made the SB once, but in that one appearance he had a fantastic game. Elway may have the slightly better playoff career than Rodgers, but the better regular season career is Rodgers by far (and Rodgers isn't over yet).
Elway had The Drive. Rodgers had the divisional game vs Cowboys that I linked earlier.
Saying that Elway is far and away the more clutch player is a combination of viewing Elway through rose colored glasses, and discounting Rodgers based on recency bias.
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10 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:
i mean we can all cherry pick games and plays. Or we could look at the bodies of work. One has a rep for being one of the most clutch qb's of all time.... The other doesnt.
Elway went to five freaking superbowls man. FIVE... and again, i'm not saying Aaron had to win as many superbowls as Elway. But how about get to more than one?
I"m not losin my mind over somebody putting Rodgers in their top 5. I just think its highly debatable and you absolutely have to put postseason accomplishments into the equation when talking about all time lists. That seems very fair IMO.
how many did his defesne give up in their playoff loss this year? fair to mention it, right?
I think you're only looking at your pre-conceived notion of these guys reputations as opposed to what they actually did.
How about this game for Rodgers
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201001100crd.htm
Probably the best losing playoff performance by a QB in NFL history (at least until a certain game a few weeks ago).
The NFL is a TEAM sport. That's why I find it ironic that Elway is considered clutch for winning a SB going 12/ 22 for 123 yards 0 TD 1 INT and Rodgers is a choker for fumbling in OT after going 28 /42 for 423 yards 4 TD 1 INT in a loss after his DEF gave up 45 points in regulation.
It's part of the reason I dislike the playoff record / 'chips argument.
Rodgers has some disappointing playoff losses for sure. His career to this point reminds me of P. Manning with the Colts. Without their QB those teams would've been competing for #1 overall pick, and not playoff games.
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9 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:
Because in my personal opinion, and i think in a lot of other peoples, raising your game in the postseason and postseason success is a requirement when we are comparing best of all time. Not the end all be all, but definitely a large factor. Another superbowl or 2 woulda greatly helped his cause IMO. not even wins. just some appearances.
Game on the line. 1:30 left. Elway or rodgers. Who you taking? For me its Elway and it aint even close. And i think stuff like that matters. Now tack on the fact that these guys all have generationally great production in their respective era's, and i'll take the guys that keep going to title games.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/400927749
Aaron Rodgers led his team to TWO lead-taking FGs in the final 1:30 in a playoff game against the Cowboys only a few years ago.
Including this ridiculous play on a 3rd and 20 with 12 seconds left:
Elway needed a ridiculously stacked team to win his back to back superbowls, and he had a straight up terrible SB against the Packers.
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5 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:
He comes across as a bit of a whiner, but it was an odd situation. He wasn’t all world by any means, but he seemed to be an adequate starter.
Agreed that he sounds like a whiner, but when you're a solid starter that gets benched for (undisclosed) reasons perhaps it's justified to whine about it.
I'm curious what McBeane would say about the situation. Did they bench him because of his play? Attitude? Was he out of shape ?
Definitely weird to give him a contract and then bench him. Strange thing to do at the time and I think it only looks worse in hindsight with the Bills O-line struggles and Spain being a reliable starter for Cincy.
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16 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:
I think Murray's terrible performance in his first playoff game at the end of his 3rd season is cause for concern. I don't see anyone paying him over 40 million per year in a long term contract (as opposed to year-to-year as a franchise QB) until they get a better read on whether he can up his game in the playoffs.
The other issue with Murray is that looking at his stats he has not improved over his first three seasons. His TD pass numbers, TD/INT ratio and passing yards appear to have plateaued. He has not thrown for 30 TD's yet nor has he thrown for over 4,000 yards. From a stat & eye test Murray is similar to Dak Prescott but 6 inches shorter.
Murray has shown year over year improvement in completion % and YPA even if total yards and TD have been relatively flat. This is reflected in his QB Rating:
2019 - 87.4
2020 - 94.3
2021 - 100.6
We can argue over how important QBR is as a stat, but there's little doubt he's improved as a QB.
It's a little ironic you're comparing him to Dak Prescott when Dak has a 40mm AAV contract. If you think Murray isn't worth 40mm+ what do you think he is worth? 35mm? 30mm?
Let's compare that to MLB
There's a total of 8 players (excluding pitchers) making 30+mm AAV. Only 2 of those guys are making 35mm+ with the most lucrative MLB contract coming in at 35.6mm.
From a $$ standpoint it would be ludicrous for Murray to switch sports at this time. He would have to be one of the very best players in MLB to even approach what an average QB makes in the NFL (and Murray has already shown to be above average).
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6 hours ago, benderbender said:
Murray would be much better off in a non-contact sport. Pitch counts, over a 4 hour game, with plenty of rest between games? Sounds like less overall injury risk for a game in which height doesn’t matter as much. Also MLB players make more money on average AND their contracts are guaranteed. Sounds like a no brainer.
Average contract doesn't apply when we're talking about a #1 overall pick QB that has 3 solid-to-great seasons under his belt. Spotrac already has his market value at 43 mm.
Unless he has a devastating injury and/or his play falls off a kliff he's going to be making bank on his next contract.
If he goes to MLB he'll have a few years on a rookie contract and after that he'd have to be literally the best player in MLB history to even approach what he will make as a QB.
Not really buying the injury risks when he's missed 3 NFL games total in 3 seasons. MLB is less violent than the NFL, but there's still plenty of injury risks. Sliding into bases ain't no joke, and there's a huge toll on muscles/joints by throwing a ball or swinging a bat as often as they do.
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2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:
And lots of teams picking at the top, year after year, remain trash heaps.
People need to remember that teams do NOT have the draft order correctly analyzed...so there is not necessarily a huge correlation between draft spot and talent of player received, especially the further you get from the very top of the draft.
If NFL teams knew how to assess talent properly, Tyreek Hill wouldn't have been taken 165th overall, or have been passed over by every team in the league four--and some teams five--times.
For example.
Tyreek went 165th overall because of his character, not his talent.
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Daboll could be 1/64 Native American right ?
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7 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:
This one is still a head scratcher in terms of Beane restructured his deal.
And unless he works some real magic in some sort of trade or restructure again we are almost stuck with a guy who it's clearly time to move on from.
The restructure would have worked out had Star not used COVID as an excuse to opt out of 2020. We would've been able to cut him this offseason with very little dead cap. His opt out pushed his contract back a year and really screwed us over
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I had a good chuckle at this part
21. Incredibly, this was not Mr. Flores’ first sham interview that was held only in an effort to comply with the Rooney Rule. Indeed, in 2019 Mr. Flores was scheduled to interview with the Denver Broncos. However, the Broncos’ then-General Manager, John Elway, President and Chief Executive Officer Joe Ellis and others, showed up an hour late to the interview. They looked completely disheveled, and it was obvious that they had drinking heavily the night before. It was clear from the substance of the interview that Mr. Flores was interviewed only because of the Rooney Rule, and that the Broncos never had any intention to consider him as a legitimate candidate for the job. Shortly thereafter, Vic Fangio, a white man, was hired to be the Head Coach of the Broncos.
I am not a lawyer, but I don't see how Flores could win this. Unless people in Miami/NYG ownership were stupid enough to send an email saying "We're not hiring Flores because he's black". Teams are free to hire/fire whomever they want.
I wonder if the league's response to this would be to nix the Rooney Rule ?
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I'm curious where Mahomes would be without the 2nd half/OT of Bengals.
As far as the graph goes
1) PFF grades for the Y axis ?
2) Circle size is supposed to represent # of plays? How does Jimmy G have such a small circle with 3 games ?
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TD would have counted and the 15 yards would've been enforced on either the PAT or the kickoff
ARTICLE 9. DEAD BALL FOUL AND FOUL BETWEEN DOWNS
A Dead Ball Foul is a foul that occurs in the continuing action after a down ends, or a taunting foul that occurs at any time. The penalty for a Dead Ball Foul is enforced from the succeeding spot, and the down counts.
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Kyler Murray’s PR Statement
in The Stadium Wall
Posted
I can't believe the agent actually posted that. Part of the reason a player should pay an agent is to prevent them from posting melodramatic garbage like that, and in this case, it was the agent posting it instead of the player.
Good job sabotaging your negotiation efforts with the Cards