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3 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:
Sorry, but you're wrong. Given the roster, he was absolutely NOT TERRIBLE in his final six starts of his rookie season. He put up 13 TDs, averaged 287 ypg and went 3-3 during that season ending stretch with Robert Foster and Zay Jones as his receivers. (And it would have been a 4-2 record if Clay doesn't drop that gimme at the goal line in Miami). It wasn't revisionist history or us just relying on the "eyeball test", his stats back up the claim that he was improving and actually fairly good by the end of his rookie year. Yes, there were still hero ball moments and the accuracy wasn't the best, but, assuming your viewing wasn't colored by a pre-existing agenda, you could clearly see that Josh was going to be a very good player at a minimum.
1) I was talking about his rookie season as a whole, not just a 6 game stretch.
2) If we want to cherry pick stats, we can ignore the season finale against Dolphins and then he had 8 TDs in the last 5 games. While an improvement over the first 5 starts prior to the injury that's still nothing to write home about.
3) In his rookie season Josh had 1 elite game (season finale vs Dolphins), and a number of elite plays scattered throughout the season. I don't think that outweighs the numerous dreadful games (Packers, Titans, Texans, Patriots) or all the rookie mistakes in other games.
I think any objective analysis of his season, as a whole, would show he had a bad year; and that a review of his highlights would show the potential to be an elite QB.
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I don't know why we need this revisionist history.
Josh was mostly terrible his rookie year. Sure there were extenuating circumstances like a poor O-line and a dreadful WR corps, but Josh himself was not good. He played a ton of hero ball and made way too many mistakes. That being said, he did have some amazing plays that flashed his talent and showed he had the potential to be a great QB.
His 2nd year Josh was mostly a game manager. The roster was significantly improved and McD/Daboll obviously had Josh focusing on reducing the hero ball and mistakes to let the team win games without the QB being a difference maker. That was successful as Josh did drastically cut down on mistakes, but he was also very rarely a difference maker
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30 minutes ago, Beerball said:
Could not agree more. The fact that The Shield hasn't stepped in and made them rework the contract tells you everything you need to know. That contract should be ripped up and reworked to not give Watson such a huge advantage this year.
The NFL allows massive contract shenanigans every year. Look no further than our deal with Von Miller.
Why would they draw the line at a team structuring a contract so that a player facing a potential suspension ends up with more cash in his pocket if he does get suspended?
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Never a terrible player, but definitely an overpay from day 1 that snowballed after opting out of 2020.
Still can't wrap my head around how he opted out an entire season due to COVID and then never got vaccinated. Was he the only NFL player that opted out and then didn't get vaccinated?
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3 minutes ago, Agent 91 said:
My question, why are voidable years a bargaining chip now? I understand the logic for players on your team you are trying to restructure, but why not just make the contract a 4 year 80 million or something? I really don't understand the logic
Because Von Miller's agent gets to say his guy got a 6 year 120 million contract (even though it's really 3 years 52 million) and the team gets to play salary cap shenanigans.
Remember when Taysom Hill signed a 4 year 140 million extension?
The salary cap is so easily manipulated it's a bad joke...
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I don't have any complains about any of the individual signings, but I will point out that Beane is running a master class in how NOT to navigate the comp pick process.
Trubisky/Wallace signed for a lot less than I expected so it's not a huge deal, but handing out a bunch of small contracts like we have this offseason is the worst possible strategy for comp picks.
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Coming into this offseason I was expecting to lose Wallace in FA. However, I thought he'd sign for a much bigger contract than 2 years 4 mil per.
I have mixed feelings on this. Even though Wallace as CB2 was underwhelming he wasn't a bad player by any means. If we can upgrade CB2 via draft or FA bringing Wallace back at 2 years 4 mil per would have been a great depth signing.
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38 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:
Was Tyrod the one who ran out of bounds fairly uncontested, short of the 1st down marker on 4th down.
Kyle Orton had "the slide"
Trent Edwards had a number of cowardly decisions.
Generally speaking Tyrod avoided risks. I don't recall anything that I would call "cowardly" though
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3 minutes ago, FLFan said:
Mack carries a cap hit of $17m plus this year, and $23m the next two years. For those people claiming Beane is asleep, what is your proposal to fit Mack on the Bills given those cap numbers? He played 7 games last year. He had 16 games the year before and produced 9 sacks. I would also be interested to know what about these incremental few sacks added to what is already a top defense screams enough difference to make the necessary cuts to somehow fit Mack under the Bills cap.
The Chargers are a non playoff team that currently has room. Perhaps they see this as a move that will propel them to the next level. I would be surprised if that were the case. The next two years of his deal are ridiculously over priced as well.
Cut (preferably trade) Beasley and ask Mack to re-negotiate his contract.
This cap stuff is not difficult when you're a good team and players are willing to re-negotiate contracts!
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27 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:
As I have read the various opinions posted here, it will be a question of whether the value of an immediate free agent signing is more than the value of the comp pick that it eliminates a year later. Both options have value but the real question is which has more value at the time the free agent decision is being made. Beane is clearly smart enough to factor together immediate needs/value and the future value of an extra draft pick. In a league that has tremendous pressure to win now, I see why most teams discount the value of an extra draft pick in the draft of the following year. It is also apparent that teams with good rosters may also discount the comp picks because it is very hard for draft picks to make the 53 man roster. Bad teams needing a complete rebuild can use comp picks to their advantage. They let some older good players walk and use the extra picks to reload the roster.
Since the Bills are clearly in a win now mode with a very good roster, Beane probably places less value on comp picks than an immediate impact free agent.
Generally speaking it's the good teams that take advantage of comp picks. They typically have fewer holes to fill, and less cap space with which to do it.
Here's last years list of comp picks:
https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-draft-compensatory-pick-projections-for-every-team
The Lions are really the only bad team on the list. The Rams ended up with the most comp picks, and they went all in to an extent probably never seen before in the NFL (trading away 1sts, big signings, etc.).
If Beane signs QUALITY FA's that have an immediate/sizeable impact and we miss out on comp picks due to that reason I'll be fine with that. If he pulls a repeat of 2017 and signs QUANTITY (depth/fringe roster players) and we miss out on 3rd rd comp pick(s) due to that reason I'll be pissed off. It'll be a huge tactical mistake.
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Depending on what term he wants I think 50 mil is pretty close to his fair market value. Mahomes signed at 45/year 2 seasons ago.
If I was a GM I'd only offer a maximum of 2 years at 50 mil though. Back to back MVPs non-withstanding he is 38 years old.
Good luck to any team offering him 50/year to field a SB caliber roster. They'll need to do some real cap gymnastics to be competitive.
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I can't believe the agent actually posted that. Part of the reason a player should pay an agent is to prevent them from posting melodramatic garbage like that, and in this case, it was the agent posting it instead of the player.
Good job sabotaging your negotiation efforts with the Cards
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52 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
His $12.7M cap hit would transfer entirely to the acquiring team...........there is no unamortized signing bonus or roster bonus etc...........its all just guaranteed base salary.
Spotrac shows 12.7mm dead cap if we cut Edmunds even though his cap is 100% base salary. I always thought being traded vs being cut would have the same dead cap hit. Is it different in this case?
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14 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:
Seattle traded for Jamal Adams. Gave up a ransom for him and then extended him. Teams do this all the time. Usually with an understanding with the player/agent that they will extend them before the trade is made. Dallas with Amari Cooper is another example.
I want to rid the Bills of Edmunds and his contract. Klein and a top 100 rookie pick can do what Edmunds has done for the last four years.
Trading Edmunds doesn't make any sense from the Bills perspective. His 12.7mm active cap hit would turn into 12.7mm dead cap hit. No savings at all.
I don't like Edmunds and wish we hadn't picked up the 5th year option, but we're stuck with him for next season.
For OP my pie in the sky scenario is signing Chris Godwin.
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Don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but maybe he doesn't deal well with seeing other people's injuries. Like someone that faints at the sight of blood. Removing himself from the situation would be the best response.
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13 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:
Is it me or did it seem like Jalen Ramsey was falling down constantly and letting guys get wide open?
You mean *best CB in the league* Jalen Ramsey?
Dude was getting burned all day 😀
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5 minutes ago, mannc said:
Highly unlikely anyone would or could “plead the fifth” in such a case. And you’re just assuming witnesses will lie under oath…to protect an ass***e like Ross?
All it would take is one witness with some credibility saying that they heard Ross say it…or a text or email from Ross, and he’s cooked.
What people, specifically, do you think would have been witness to this conversation between Ross and Flores ?
From Flores's lawsuit it seems like a 1 on 1 conversation between Ross and Flores. The only other person who might've been involved would be the GM Grier.
Do you think Ross would testify that he broke the law and asked Flores to throw games? Would Grier testify against his current boss and likely destroy his future NFL career ? I think Ross/Grier would be left with 3 options. 1- plead the fifth, 2 - say they can't recall the specifics of the conversation, or 3- say that Flores is mis-remembering/interpreting the conversation
Text/email would be a different story. It seems unlikely that Ross sent Flores anything in writing or Flores would've included it in the initial lawsuit. Then it comes down to whether or not a judge would grant a fishing expedition subpoena for Ross's emails/texts. I think that would be unlikely at this point (with no other corroborating witness/evidence other than what Flores says happened), but who knows.
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27 minutes ago, mannc said:
It’s a lawsuit, in federal court. Flores’s lawyers can subpoena witnesses to testify under oath as part of discovery. The case doesn’t have to go to trial for that to happen.
"I plead the fifth"
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"I do not recall that conversation"
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1 hour ago, White Linen said:
Then maybe focus on what he did to his kid might jade you a bit more on him.
He took a switch to his kid and went overboard with it. He ended up with no jail time, probation, and a $4,000 fine.
Did he get a sweetheart deal because he's rich and famous with a good attorney? That's definitely a possibility. It's also possible that what he did wasn't that egregious and probation with a 4k fine is an appropriate punishment.
I think it's more than fair to say that AP is a piece of ***** as a human being, but I don't think he's a big enough piece of ***** to be disqualified from the HOF. There's a lot of guys in the HOF with very questionable pasts (including a number of Bills).
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30 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Q still coming out of his stance and Donald is already by him. LOL
Example #6,587 of why a screengrab is not a good way to evaluate a play
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Outside of BUF/KC the divisional round was also full of poorly played slop-ball that ended in close scores (and I'm sure there are some purists out there that didn't like our game b/c nobody played DEF).
The Rams were the only team that generally played well in that round, but they lost FOUR fumbles to leave the game open for TB.
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28 minutes ago, White Linen said:
Yeah I definitely see your point. It's interesting how the NFL handles these controversies differently and gets the media to follow suit.
I posed the question but knew the answer. They'll be celebrated despite some pretty awful actions.
You're not suggesting Peterson possibly didn't do this are you?
No, from what's being reported so far it certainly seems he did it. What he (allegedly) did was get into a verbal argument and then try to rip his wife's ring off, causing a scratch to her finger. She doesn't want to press charges.
I don't know if that would get prison time for an average Joe, let alone a famous millionaire athlete.
Domestic Violence is never ok, but there are degrees to it. I don't think AP has crossed a line that would ultimately keep him out of the HOF.
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1 hour ago, White Linen said:
That's kind of my point. I can't think of an NFL player shun worthy like the MLB has had. I know there's been players with some documented off field issues but to Peterson's level?
Let's wait and see if Peterson is even charged, let alone convicted.
Big Ben seems to be widely viewed as a HOFer and the allegations against him were much more serious.
If I was going to bet on it I think both AP and Ben make it, but not in their first year of eligibility.
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16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
By what criteria?
2nd for sacks given up, 6th for rush yards per game and Y/A doesn't sound like "worst in the league".
I'm not trying to argue they're top-10 or top-5 - Allen gets out of trouble on his own a lot - but I'd like to know by what criteria they're "one of the worst"
By my own hyperbolic eye test 😄
I posted that back in November and I will happily admit the O-Line looked much better (maybe a little above league average) down the stretch once we put Bates into the starting lineup. It's tough to gauge the O-Line when we have a unicorn at QB. Put Kirk Cousins back there and I have to imagine we'd have a bottom tier rushing attack and be close to most sacks allowed.
Jarvis Landry wants $20 million a year
in The Stadium Wall
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In a world where Zay Jones gets 3 years 24 million and Christian Kirk gets 4 years 72 million ?
Yea.... 20mm for Landry is not an outlandish ask.