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I'm honestly not sure. That could be the case except the same team had done reasonably well with the Jets just a season earlier. TBH I think Pettine did most of the heavy lifting for Rex in the Jets best seasons and Rex as actually a little better than mediocre without him. The biggest problem we had was stopping the run and Mario was all but laying down, Williams was hurt and Graham was a good man corner who they moved to safety.

Roman's offense scored 31 in the SB with a chance to win it.

This is where the Wannstedt move was key. We signed Mario. Moats, Carrington, Searcy, Dareus, and Williams all started and played for a number of years. Not all for us but enough that you can see other coordinators were able to get production out of them. Wannstedt really did an awful job. I think losing Searcy had a large effect of Rex later on. I feel like having two CB's at safety and Mario in give up mode is a large part of why Rex was so bad against the run.

We scored 31 points, Taylor threw for 297 yards and 3 TD's and they fired Roman after we lost 37-31 to the Jets. Since then like I said earlier he took a Baltimore team and scored basically a TD more per game and there's no McCoy there and no one thinks Flacco is great. Roman might be the best system coach out there. He can use just about any QB provided they are athletic and can get mismatches both rushing and passing. Manuel posted two games over 250 yards passing in 2015 that we lost largely due to his interceptions and the fact we couldn't play defense. There's no doubt in my mind we would have scored well over 20 ppg with the same players if Roman was here. All that said we are a full season into Dennison. We don't have his QB, we don't have any sure fire healthy undisputed #1 pass catchers, and we have an o-line that is/was pretty nasty at run blocking but very iffy with pass blocking. I haven't liked Dennison's offenses even with a handful of superstars. I'm less than enthused about the prospects of him building a 24ppg offense with a rookie and no pass catchers.

I trust McD. I believe there's a process. Dennison and Taylor is a no go. I'm not a Dennison fan at all. All that said I think things could get better than what we saw this year. I just think Dennison is to coordinators what everyone thinks Taylor is to QBs. If you are truly trying to build the best you are not going to start with Dennison. He can do better than he did this year though.

KB and Thompson compliment each other well. You need a speed guy and a possession guy. It's not like Thompson will break the bank anyways. Zay can work in and get experience. Tate didn't help himself out and can go. Mathews isn't worth what he'd probably want to sign.

In the best scenario with a pro bowl QB and pro bowl running back and possibly the best WR in the game at the time Dennison had one good season. He's only had two decent seasons in his whole career. Manning went from setting records for TD's to setting records for interceptions. If they are going to keep him we and lose Tyrod we'll probably finish in the bottom half of rushing even with Shady and will be doing well to score 22 to 24 ppg. I'd be rather happy if we manage 22 to 24 ppg with Dennison. It takes him half a season to adjust to his players and in some games he actually made things worse as the game went on with in game adjustments. It's not just a Buffalo thing. He's been less than stellar in most situations with far greater talent than he has here.

Roman is an excellent coordinator in every respect. He doesn't do the modern throw all the time west coast stuff and so some people he isn't their cup of tea. He had Alex Smith/ Keapernick running a high scoring offense and he took Flacco and that gang of cast aways and scored a TD per game more than us. He is a throw back to the old Raiders where you run the ball, suck them in, and then throw it deep. Kill them over the middle with the TE. When you have Taylor, McCoy, and Watkins you get chunk plays and points. Smith was good at that and it fit Taylor well. I said a number of times last offseason if you get the right coach on defense he'll make everyone look better. I'm not going to get into a talent debate again but I will say that a different coach on offense would have done a better job of polishing the turds. Water under the bridge now. Hopefully they get a group of coaches and players that works.

It actually isn't an either or, you can pick both. You can pick any which one you want regardless. I'm not defending Taylor to anyone here. Clearly something has to get better. I don't think they set out to make the offense better last offseason and it showed. Hopefully it's a priority this year.

Without getting into a 400 post debate I'd have to simply say you clearly haven't looked at Dennison's track record. It's awful.

In all his time as a coach I think Dennison has one, maybe two seasons that are even boarderline impressive and 6 or 7 that are mediocre to bad. Maybe if they bring Roman back I could see them keeping Taylor. Wouldn't hurt my feelings to see a new coordinator and a new QB.

I'm not opposed to change I just try to see big picture. It's hard to upgrade everything but the secondary in one offseason. I see it a lot like Milano and Humber. Humber hasn't been awful but Milano brings a nice spark. Milano plays better and he ends up starting. When we have someone who's better than Brown get him in there. At one point it looked like that would be Raggland but look where we are now.

This is what happens when you were planning on tanking all preseason long and then try to "build" a passing attack half way through the season. There's no Watkins, no Woods, no Hogan, no Goodwin, no Mathews, and a one legged Benjamin. There is no QB out there save maybe Rogers or Brady that were going to come here and lead a good passing attack. We played the BEST pass defense in the NFL today and we were not running the ball like a top 5 rushing team. Pretty sure Bortles outrushed McCoy. I'm not looking it up. They got what they payed for. I'm not a huge Dennison fan. TT can play better. We could draft a QB. There's a lot of work that can be done to get better. Let's hope they get to work.

I think Preston has been been on the better side of serviceable. I have no problem with Brown. If you have better play them but if you don't you can still play defense with him.

close games you have to make the plays that are there. First and goal you have to score. Bortles throws it into your hands you have to catch it and you need your ends to keep Bortles from running for more than McCoy.

I like Taylor but they are right. I mean there were 4 guys out and Taylor was looking middle and Thompson was open right. Just as painful is that Thompson blew by his guy the play before also on a post. Thompson has been the best WR on this team most of the season. People miss open guys from time to time but it is what it is. Taylor didn't see him.

So you'd be as good a wr as you are a fan.

The throw was fine. We have no one on this team who makes contested catches. Week in and week out Gronk, Julio Jones, AJ Green make throws where they have to keep a defender at bay. People here complain all the time that Taylor doesn't throw those. Well there you go. He put it in the right spot and the receiver doesn't use his body well to catch it with his hands and thats what you get.

Can someone lock Dennison in the locker room. At this point I'd take a 12 year old who's "really good at Madden" to take over play calling. Pretty sure my 12 year old daughter would understand red zone offense better than that complete mess we just saw.

Score should be 10 nothing if Tre makes that pick. We spent the last two minutes of that half literally shooting ourselves in the foot.

Dennison pretty much crapped on the whole second quarter.

This is why we look so bad in the second half of games. D goes conservative and we look like crap

Instead Bortles is f'n killing us .................. with his legs.

Tre picks that stupid pass off earlier and we might be looking at a two score lead

great time for a horrible kick ....