Maine-iac

We won five games by playing good defense, not turning the ball over, and not getting penalties. This whole thing may have very well started when they traded away Dareus. By the end of the Jets game they may have realized we can't stop the run and the Saints game just reinforced it. Starting Peterman is just the start of the give up. If they wanted to fight for the playoffs you keep Taylor. Exciting or not we were always in the game if the team played well. We are essentially done.

Well Peterman has completed almost every pass he's thrown ............ 4 to our team and 3 to the other.

I don't even know what the hell that means but I tell you what .......... play defense and he gives us a chance. Don't play defense then he isn't Aaron Rogers but this crap is ridiculous.

He doesn't take enough risks ................. we need someone who'll throw it. Where's the stat for passes not thrown? Bwaaa haa hhaaaa ..........

Anyone know any good jokes?

Look that's my opinion. I've, prior to this game, said multiple times I hope Peteman does great. Here we are in the first quarter and he's thrown two picks. I don't have to like that. If I think they are making crap decisions I don't have to like it.

Bwaaa haaaa haaaaa ................... all the same people blaming Taylor as it bounces off Clay's hands. Peterman is not going to be better than Taylor. They are just going to suffer along with him and see how bad he is. They don't want to resign Taylor and they're essentially giving up on the playoffs.

You had me at first pick ............ as in there's already multiple picks.

This simple with Taylor is we play defense we have a chance ................ now what?

Started with the Dareous trade, then blaming Tyrod with the defense playing like crap, now we are headed to crap town. They started thinking they could just wheel and deal and make no mistakes. They've a few moves too many.

Define success. They averaged 20.8 ppg ............. what we are scoring after two horrible games. I think no matter the QB Dennison is a weak 0C.

If "the sticks" is constantly a 3rd and 12 it's going to be hard. Splits say 3rd and 6+ he has a 74 rating. 3rd and 6 or less he has 131 rating. He's had 62 throws, 20 percent of the time he's in 3rd and longer than 6. Just not managing 1st and 2nd downs well at all. Maybe Peterman can get that done for Dennison. Last year with Lynn/Roman Taylor had a 95 rating on 3rd and 6+ but had 72 rating on 3rd and less than 6. Dennison clearly has a better short passing game. Unfortunately he has no deep passing game or run game to go with it.

This whole thread is an opinion of some people's opinions ................ what are you expecting?

What 90 percent of the posters in this thread are missing and that those analysts weren't is why Tyrod didn't throw deep last week on a 3rd and long. We run for negative yards, we get penalized we end up in 3rd and 15. We run a play where only two people even run routes past the sticks and the defense is in cover 3 and every airmchair QB in Buffalo groans and shakes their first in the air. The real story is that with a good running game, something Dennson appears incapable of designing, Taylor took a lot of shots down field and did very well at it. When called on 2nd and 5 or 3rd and 3, deep shots are effective. If you have a per carry average of 1.7 and your QB is throwing on 3rd and 15 and not getting it your team shouldn't be in that position in the first place.

These are the places I get upset with the team. He plays his ass off in Miami. Leads to a 4th qtr lead with 1:20. Defense chokes. Leads them back down the field in 0T. Carpenter misses a kick. Defense chokes. They bench him the next week. Fast forward to this year. We play the Jets. We are 5 and 2 and everyone is saying he's getting it. By all accounts in a game where we have a rookie and then back ups and walk ons at WR/TE he plays pretty damn well. If not for the fumbles and drops he easily throws for 300 and a couple of TD's to go with 35 yards rushing and a TD. Shady is completely ineffective and the defense gives up 200 and multiple scores rushing. Next week Taylor doesn't play well. No excuses. The defense is getting hammered into the floor. Personally I couldn't figure out why they weren't throwing every down but either way the passing game wasn't good. That said in what essentially was an off game for Taylor and a second horrendous showing for the defense the decide to bench Taylor. If were 4 and 5 or Taylor had multiple bad games where it's clearly him making poor decisions. March in Peterman. Here we are at 5 and 4 in the playoff hunt. Taylor has done enough to get us to 5 and 4 and the "help" just arrived this week. I definately would have given it more time. I've thought they would draft a legit prospect/competition this offseason from the outset. Maybe McDermott doesn't think he can get the defense fixed and is throwing in the towel on the season and we might as well see Peterman. Let's face it, the defense has been horrendous the last two weeks and Dennison isn't the most innovative 0C in the world. It's not like Dennison is going to outscore anyone even with Peyton Manning.

Woods, Watkins, and Goodwin never made it through a season without gettting hurt. They were also all playing in a run first offense that averaged 50 ypg more running the ball than this years team. Again I'm not lamenting the switch to Peterman. That writing was on the wall. I'm lamenting the switch to Dennison. It is the very type of switch that has defined the "drought" in Buffalo. Two years from now we'll be hiring some untested offensive prodigy because we went bust with a 1st round pick of a QB and inevitably he'll bring in a dud of a DC and we'll start this all over again.

I was talking about the Jets game. I said as much. Go back and look at it. The offense was moving the ball. The defense was getting gashed. So no insult taken. You read it/misunderstood it or weren't watching. He didn't beat them because of bad clock management, multiple fumbles, and the defense giving up 200 yards rushing. He played the QB position well in that game and most said the same after the game. ps the response merging .............. do multiple posts take up too much space on the internet?

He really looked pretty damn good the Jets game. A lot of fumbles, penalties, bad clock management. The Saints game was a dumpster fire. I just don't see Peterman while there's still a chance at playoffs. Everything was going great up until the Jets game and the wheels essentially came off the defense not the offense.

I like Taylor. People get that and hate that which is fine. If we had a Rogers type prospect on the bench or had slid out of the playoff hunt I wouldn't even bat an eye at them yanking Taylor. That's my issue with pulling Taylor. I don't think they'll be better with Peterman because of Dennison. I think in a best case scenario you'll see the 2015/2016 Broncos. That's with KB because the Broncos have good recievers. Taylor has played most of the year in that turd offense with guys off the street.

Roman/Lynn same offense and Roman coached for a whole season prior to that. You think Dennison will come any where near what Roman/Lynn scored? Do you think next year he will? Sean Payton, Andy Reid, Greg Roman always put up points. Dennison put up 20 and 22 ppg before coming here. 0ur defenses gave up more points than his offenses were scoring .............. if you want two good insights as to why we lost last year and why we will continue to lose now.

If you have Greg Roman or Andy Reid you can score 23 to 26 ppg with a QB like Taylor. How many games you win depend on if your team can play defense and not get 11 penalties a game, make it's kicks ect. If you have Hackett, Dennison, Marty ball type 0C's then you probably are going to want a different QB.

So if it's all on understanding, and Taylor couldn't handle it, why did Dennison suck in Denver with Peyton Manning?

Pretty much sums it up. Not a fan of the timing. Peterman might be better for the coaches.

Dennison's offense's scored a whopping 20 and 22 ppg before coming here and that's with Peyton Manning on one of his teams. Tell me again what great things Dennison has done. Roman has outscored Dennison the last two years and is outscoring him this year also. Have to be able to score points and Dennison can't do it. Peterman may well fit Dennison's offense better so maybe, just maybe we'll go from 20 ppg to 22 like he did with the Broncos.

This is key and it is where we consistently go wrong. Get good coaches on both sides of the ball.