Maine-iac

Do you mean Taylors first year, in his first starts as a pro? The year he made the pro bowl and the team averaged almost 24 ppg? Or do you mean his last season when he was throwing to practice squad hopefuls and Kelvin Benjamin?

If you can argue that Davis was playing decent and cost nothing I guess you could argue anything. I'm not even going to touch that.

Allen has a defense and is winning. That is why Allen will get all the time in the world. If this team was playing with the defense they fielded Taylor's first two years no job would be safe right now.

We needed to free up that cap space so we could sign Trent Murphy, Star Lotulelie, and Vontae Davis. When they brought in Dennison they sealed Taylor's fate. People upset with Allen's progress now can you imagine if they had kept Dennison on?

I honestly think what we need more than anything is Foster to take the top off the defense a few times. Brown certainly has the speed to do it also but he gets more attention and is needed to do more route running in general. Foster blows up for a 40 or 50 yard TD a couple games in a row then there's more room for the TE's to work and running the ball gets easier. I think the Pats game made them gun shy in the passing game. Truth be told I loved the fact that Josh just kept throwing it even with the turnovers. From what I've seen from him if he had played the whole game it wouldn't have been unthinkable for him to have his worst game as a pro and still found a way to win it. Just watch the MNF game against us where Romo threw 5 picks and still beat us.

If the offense wasn't doing worse than it was with Taylor they wouldn't be asking dumb questions. I agree with everyone that it's kind of a confrontational question but it's getting asked because the offense after 2 1/2 years is scoring less than 19 ppg. The truth is easily that Roman's offense with Taylor was better than what we have now but we don't have Taylor and we don't have Roman. I think Allen and Daboll will be fine but that's just my opinion and up to this point Daboll has not shown an ability to score more than 20ppg in any stop he's been at and Allen is still getting past some young QB turnover problems and a missing longball.

I would venture to say that the chart shows that at it's best the offense under Taylor was designed and executed to maximize big plays. Look at all the big TD's. I think 5 of his first 7 TD passes here in Buffalo were 20 plus yard throws. Plenty of big runs for TD's in that offense also. That is why the scoring was higher, big plays. That is the difference between Roman (plus execution) vs Daboll (plus execution). I think Daboll is light years better than Dennison but under his best execution his offense will still score less than Roman's. That said I still think Daboll can do a lot of things well enough that if they just get the execution better we can get the scoring up to a 22 or 23 ppg average and that and a good defense will keep you competitive. Like others have said I think if the defense was forcing more turnovers it wouldn't hurt. If Allen could find his deep ball and make them pay it wouldn't hurt and without McCoy we have played most of the season with Gore who has been steady but not really a home run back. Singletary should help in that dept. also.

Whether he cares about Taylor or not he should care about the fact that he took a team that lead the NFL in rushing for 2 straight seasons and scored 23/24 ppg during that stretch and turned it into a team that scores under 20 for two straight going on 3 straight seasons and that's after investing the 7th pick in the draft to replace a two time pro bowl QB. No matter who's asking it seems like a valid question. I am on the side of people who think a little more time and probably one more draft and offseason to hopefully get the O-line right and we might turn a corner but I can't blame people for asking the question.

Anyone remember DiGiorgio from when Poz was hurt? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_DiGiorgio

Funny all the hullabaloo. McDermott wanted an offense that was his. Daboll and Allen have a chance to grow together.

Coaches make the team. Stars are great but coaches make the team. Our defense is great because McDermott and Frazier are both good DC. Taylor was good when Roman/Lynn were coaching and not so much with Dennison. Daboll is an improvement over Dennison and I think, like Allen, can get better. If you look overall Daboll is hitting the same numbers he's hit virtually his whole career. Lucky for us we probably don't need to score 25ppg and if Daboll and Allen can manage to cut the turnovers and score just another couple of ppg we can probably field a good enough defense to be in most games.

Thought you were talking about Taylor. My apologies.

Your are so wrong I didn't even feel like answering but I am ............... just to say you are wrong.

People forget, Taylor threw a great deep ball until they got rid of Watkins, Woods, Goodwin, and Hogan. Allen threw a great deep ball also (last year).

I was a Taylor fan. Specifically a Taylor fan in Roman/Lynn's offense. The complete inability to keep pass catchers around Taylor was the biggest hindrance to his time here. This defense and Taylor and that offense would be a pretty good combination. All that said bringing in Dennison was the nail in the coffin. Daboll is definitely a step up from Dennison and I really feel like the OL and Allen's growing pains are fixable problems. The one thing Taylor didn't bring enough of that Allen seems to already have is that "clutch" factor. There's no real stat for it. Allen just seems to make his best and biggest plays late in games. Even the Cleveland game he made plays that could and should have won that game. I think that mixed with his physical talent make him good. Give him enough time with (hopefully) one offense (I'm alright with Daboll) and I think Allen can be the QB we thought we were drafting. ps I love it when people argue pass catchers not helping Allen like the guys we have now are not miles better than the guys Taylor threw to with Dennison here.

That said if the Brown's defender doesn't tip the screen on 1st down there's a good chance that Singletary takes that screen to the house and Daboll and Allen both look like the clutch game winners they were pulling out close games earlier this season. I'd also like to mention that as good as the goal line stands were the number of "chunk" plays we were giving up right out of the gate in this game were alarming. I think three quarters of the plays on the first two drives went for 10 plus yards against our defense. I'm all for bend and don't break but I think this was about the time McD took over play calling from Frasier last time this was happening.

This whole thing basically shows that it was a great play call but the pass was tipped. Is that what you were trying to say?

I can't be the only one who sees the irony that 3/4 of this board used to piss and moan that we didn't throw the ball enough as we led the league in rushing and scored roughly 24/25 points a game. Now we still have a QB who's probably more of a scoring threat running than passing and average under 20 points a game. I still think Allen will get better. I thought the problem then was horrible pass catchers and no defense and the problem now is mediocre OL talent and growing pains at QB. Hauscka choking in all the close games (NE and CLV) isn't helping.

If you scored 7 points in quarter 1 and 2 and 3 then you'd have 28 ppg. Pretty much makes my point.

If we could just see 4th quarter Allen all 4 quarters we'd be onto something. He seems to make a number of clutch plays late in games. He did it this week also but the other 3 quarters there's huge sequences where the offense can't do anything.

Roman has always been good. Has nothing to do with Harbaugh. Hell Roman was great here. We had a top ten offense every year Roman was here and scape goated him after we scored 31 in a losing effort and played terrible D. Roman was great in SF, great here, and clearly great in Baltimore also.

You want the Allen hate to end just start talking about how we'd probably be winning with Tyrod and they'll all love Allen again.

Who didn't know we are either going to play defense and make enough plays to win or we are going to lose? That is how McD is running this show. So when your offense gives you a lead with 3 minutes left and all you have to do is not give up a TD you have to point at the D. This is the engine of a McD team. Haushka is a close second because a low scoring defensive team better have a reliable kicker (and we seemingly don't). Allen actually did most of the things you'd want a QB on a conservative/defensive team to do. He gave them a lead in the 4th and didn't turn the ball over 5 times in this game.

He still plays pretty clutch in the 4th qtr. We scored the TD with 4 minutes left and moved the ball into FG range with under 1 minute left. The team as a whole seems to have trouble separating from other teams.

We were winning with 2 minutes left. Winning by more than a FG. We just needed to keep them out of the endzone.