Rock-A-Bye Beasley

No and no one claimed that and it wouldn’t matter if they did.

What? If they had simply passed on Mahomes and Watson it would be slightly better optics. Instead they traded the eventual league MVP when they needed a QB and went with Nathan Peterman in round 5 instead. You can’t write an outcome like that and be taken seriously beforehand, but it happened.

Ppl like you keep bumping it asking this question.

If Dee Ford doesn’t go Offside and Mahomes wins the super bowl are these idiots saying “He has a Super Bowl caliber supporting cast! The Bills don’t win the super bowl. He would not be the same player if we drafted him. He would not have won the super bowl!”

This is what I don’t get. How is it that Mahomes would have been a completely different player, yet Allen’s development wasn’t hurt at all by his situation? you can’t have it both ways.

It’s always the “positive” group that makes it personal first I’ve noticed. Go back and check in this thread and many others. Edit: I should say usually. Obviously there are exceptions but I’ve noticed a trend.

Oh but the Buffalo Bills did select a QB in the 2017 draft so your premise is flawed. He also went on to set some league records.

So you already forgot about the Texans game I see

How can you say there's no consequence when Allen had to go in early OR, depending on your philosophy on QB development, missed the first team reps he should have been getting all preseason? It was a disaster all around. If you're trying to say now its over with and no harm done, then I'm saying the decision making could just be faulty overall Morse, Edmunds, The attempt to trade for Antonio Brown, the defense aside from the Dareus for Star swap, Allen might end up being their saving grace if he develops, but they really didn't make that easy for him. Tyrod trade was good value but negated by KB trade trying to think of more

I don't really care.

No one is suggesting we do anything TO THEM. We are simply stating our displeasure with many moves made by this regime. This thread was about high praise for the coach and GM. Some fans strongly disagree that they are doing a good job, that's all. Not sure why I have to explain what is happening, but here we are.

Thats because it’s nonsense. Every single one of the players they traded or let go besides Glenn have been to the championship game or super bowl. The other example in hockey recently is Oreilly winning the cup and conn smyth. Evander Kane making the WCF. The same argument was made that they poison locker rooms. Turns out having a bad coach will do a lot more damage than a frustrated but talented player. Now I suppose this is where you’ll tell me they changed their attitude after leaving. Or that they weren’t the BEST player on their new team so it worked out somehow.

No it’s not. It’s a debate about whether the GM is doing a good job. Nothing more nothing less. You’re using that as a cop out. As soon as you get to a dead end in your logic it’s “what does it matter anyway?! Let’s just move on” And that is childish not grownup. I agree and. No i don’t think they should never make one. I just noticed a trend of poor decisions. Some obvious, some are just my opinion. But the Dareus trade is an obvious one as is the QB situation to start the season.

Shallow? I just want you to be aware that the personal insults are starting to fly from a few ppl and I’m not one of them. Seems to be a trend when someone tries to be the least bit critical of this coach or GM. I don’t care what he admits to. It was a mistake. It’s a negative stain on his record as a GM. He has made a lot of them in my opinion. Hopefully it works out. We will see.

so by that same logic the oreilly trade was a good one? At least there they got a late 1st rd pick. Maybe y’all should follow Beane’s example and admit when he makes a mistake. I would give you a large amount of “credit” if you did.

Haha ok then you’re obviously delusional. He traded Mccarron and started peterman but the fact that he admitted it was a mistake is a positive overall for you?

Ok fine give him credit whatever that means. But will you admit the debit from the mistake is larger than the credit you’re trying so hard to give him?

I haven’t heard any convincing arguments for the trade. “He didn’t want to be here” isn’t good enough considering all the other reasons it was a mistake. Sonwe we are giving “kudos” and “credit” for mistakes almost immediately? Grow up

He had to admit his mistake. It was one of the most obvious GM failures in recent memory. You don’t get “credit” for admitting you caused an obvious disaster. As far as Dareus goes. They could’ve had more patience. Same with oreilly and the sabres. They’re just overreacting to perceived character issues and losing talented players for nothing. His former coach had no problem being reunited with him. Ok but this is a thread debating whether or not the coach/GM are doing a good job. Some people think trading Dareus was a big mistake and should be taken into consideration in such a conversation.

You give him credit? Wow he really can’t lose then!

Yes we know that. The debate comes from people thinking it was a good decision. It was not

I sure hope so. What a pointless tangent you just created. Glad it's over.

Ok now I'm confused. A few posts ago you said "I haven't been involved in an argument suggesting Dareus's absence didn't negatively impact the defense when it obviously did." Now you're saying his premise is faulty? I was only pointing out your desire to change the subject, which you have been successful, because here we are discussing which stretch was technically worse for the defense which doesn't matter at all. Dareus was a key part of the defense during a playoff run and the decision to trade him had a negative impact. That's his premise, that's what you disagree with in the bold, but agree with in the above quoted statement.

Yes it is laziness because my whole point is it doesn''t matter if there was another 3 game stretch that was worse. No need to embarrass yourself further by attempting to use the same insult twice. Apparently you don''t know what a drama club is. It reminds me of the time my dad thought the secret service's main job was to keep secrets.

And now you get to back that up. I didn't feel like looking it up because it doesn't alter the point, but Badol seems to think he's still correct. Congrats on changing the subject though! Not sure how my use of the word "hope" implies I may be interested in acting.