Rock-A-Bye Beasley

McDermott said so= You previously said that McDermott said Star is doing his job. That’s the only attempt I’ve seen to defend his lack of stats/playing time for the highest paid player on the team.

And now your hope is that we will argue which was the worst run in Bills history. Instead of staying on the topic of Dareus’ absence negatively affected the defense immediately. Sure maybe it was hyperbole. So what? The point is still taken, you’re ignoring it and changing the subject.

Even if I concede what you’re saying about Dareus, he’s still much better than Star. Until you come up with any evidence other than “McDermott said so” it’s pretty clear. https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/marcell-dareus/6155 https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/star-lotulelei/7795 Change the subject much?

Speaking for myself obviously, but my concerns are all based on failed personnel moves (mostly on offense) and game day management from this regime only. Whenever there’s a new coach the only clean way to evaluate them at first is game management because there are clear-cut right and wrong answers to those decisions. McDermott has failed repeatedly in this aspect.

Good GMs huh? Thanks for telling me what good GMs think. You don’t think Watkins could’ve helped last year? Use the rams as the moral compass but disregard the chiefs who realize that even though they have tyreek hill and Travis kelce they can afford 17 million for Sammy Watkins because they hit a grand slam with a rookie quarterback. Who’s lookin’ myopic now?

Name me 5 teams that definitely have a worse wr corps on paper. We we went from worst WRs to maybe not worst. Last season we opened the year against the Ravens no one here seemed to be too concerned about facing John Brown AND Crabtree. The Dallas Cowboys were making national headlines for neededing WR help because they ONLY had Beasley and some scrubs. So they traded for Amari Cooper and their offense instantly improved. Your perception of Brown and Beasley is clearly being skewed by the fact that the Bills signed them. If they both ended up on the Jets are you honestly concerned for their two meetings a year?

“Getting what they want from him” those are your words with nothing in particular to back them up.

People on here are saying Williams is trolling. Others are saying he’s a terrible coach. Some are defending what he said. Some are criticizing the idea. When the the real issue is that culture vs. strategy is an insane thing to bring up. They’re not mutually exclusive. McDermott said he would rather have culture than strategy. Mike schoop said why bother even saying that. Can you answer that question? Why bother saying anything about strategy because you want a great culture?

I remember hearing the same stuff about Dareus before and after the draft that I’m hearing about Star now. His impact won’t always show up on the stat sheet. Dareus was clearly traded for attitude reasons. He is a better player than star though.

As as soon as we traded Dareus we were gashed on the ground for 3 straight weeks. I guess I can see their logic but of course I don’t agree with it. It’s just too hard to keep up with all the other teams in the league when you trade good young players away for draft picks that might turn into good young players. With each trade/ lack of QB selection in 2017, I was basically saying “ok, I don’t agree with it but hope it works out” here we are two years later with the 31st ranked offense while Mahomes and Watson are stars. I guess we will see now that their self-Imposed cap restrictions are lifted, but it’s very reasonable for any fan to be impatient at this point. Btw, Dareus/Sammy/Darby all have been to the championship game at least.

Haha why aren’t you mad at the star contract then?

Oh really? We would be mad that we couldn’t “afford” that star contract and John Brown?

Sammy has what would have been the catch to send them to the super bowl if Dee Ford hadn’t been lined up “Offside” Dareus is better than Star and Sammy is better than any receiver we have had since.

You can still compare the two. And to answer your question much much better. MVP and 50 TDs. That doesn’t happen because you got to watch Alex Smith for a year and had good playmakers. Allen would not have done that or even come close. Just watch him play! But going along with what you’re saying even though I disagree with the premise. This is a thread about how great of a job this regime is doing and you just described the rookie QB ‘s situation as horrific. Who’s to blame for that?

Sure you can. Mahomes is much better. It’s not even close and it’s not because of the supporting cast. Same with Watson. Two seasons in a row with 103 rating. Last year this an arguably worse oline than Allen (sacked 62 times)

Interesting and original take!

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-the-nfl-cant-rely-on-defense/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-the-nfl-cant-rely-on-defense/

And he is correct. How was the Jags defense last year.

How can you feel more confident in the FO than the QB when they botched the QB situation so badly last season? Not to mention every move on offense has been a complete disaster with Allen possibly being the only exception.

Um ok yes you are right about a completely different point. Never said anything about him compared to other gms , but go ahead and move the goal posts so you can feel better.

Agreed. That’s all I’m saying, it was wrong. Keep in mind I’m only reacting to the extra credit some Boy Scout wanted to give Beane for the tyrod trade while turning a blind eye to any other mistakes. Regardless if they were a good idea “at the time”

We are talking about Kelvin Benjamin. He’s a fat wide receiver. AND it was in the context of someone giving Beane praise for getting a 3rd for Tyrod. I can agree with what you said but you can’t also give CREDIT for a single move when you’re not willing to criticize for an almost perfectly inverse transaction.

It doesn’t matter if you don’t fault him. You may as well be saying you’re a flat earther to me at this point. It was a bad trade. He was at fault by definition. It’s something that happened not the end of the world but at least admit the most obvious mistakes for Chrissakes Also: that’s exactly what he did. Wasted a pick and having benjamin on the field was a NEGATIVE value. Sammy is better than any wr we have had since by a long shot. The chiefs had hill and kelce but still added him because that’s what real offenses have, weapons.

Me too! But you also have to ding him for the Benjamin trade. They cancel each other out at the very least.

In the context of giving Beane EXTRA credit for getting a 3rd for Tyrod? i can’t believe this is even an argument somebody is saying. You really have to be biased to defend the Benjamin trade.