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    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    1 hour ago, Heitz said:

     

    The kid seems to have the right attitude. Loved his presser too. 🤣

     

    I think it'll all be in how they use him - without the speed, how do you scheme him up to highpoint some balls on the sidelines? Which, BTW seems like like an Allen special, after breaking contain. 💨

     

    It'll definitely be interesting to see what happens when the games start. How DOES this kid work out despite all of the opinions? Let's hope he and Josh get together, get that relationship going, start getting work in - I'm rooting for him! :beer: 

    Yeah, that's my thing. I don't believe he's going to be asked to run straight line deep routes very much. So how does Brady use him and what can they do to incorporate what he does do well. Out routes? Hook routes? I think he's going to feast in that 11-20 yard range...and I don't think anyone is going to out hustle or out work him to the ball. 

     

    That was always a big complaint I had with Gabe Davis. Seemed like far too often when a DB got position on him to make a play on the ball Gabe was a bit passive. Resulted it a fairly high INT% when targeted. I don't see that problem with Coleman. 

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    Fact vs Fiction: "Keon Coleman is not a separator"

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    1 minute ago, VW82 said:


    I always have to laugh when defenses play zone vs us. Josh excels vs zone. Diggs and Beasley were always so good finding soft spots. Kincaid is obviously really good vs zone. Anyone dumb enough to try and zone us deserves what they get.

    To be fair sometimes it's a double edge sword. Play zone and Josh can find the soft spot....but everyone on defense is facing the QB and can react if Allen runs.

     

    Play man and most of your defense turns to run with their guy and no one has eyes on Allen...and he bucks for 20 yards. Pick your poison.

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    Did we do enough at wide receiver?

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    14 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

     

    To be fair, we weren't exactly hoping that Sherfield and Harty were more than they ever had been.  

     

    At least, I would have been happy if Sherfield could have repeated his 30 catch, 417 yd performance from 2022 with Miami, and if Harty had repeated his 30 catch, 570 yd performance from his previous healthy season in 2021.

     

    But these are small points.  Overall, the bottom line is I was hoping we could bring our WR talent back to 2022 levels and instead it's looking 2019-like, which was Not Good Enough.

    I can say this. I know that's what you were hoping for out of Sherfield and Harty. That's because you're pretty level headed and realistic. I can't say the same for everyone and some of the debates I had here people had them ready to replicate Brown/Beasley numbers or better which was a little over the top on my assessment. 

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    Would the Chiefs had ended up with Worthy without the trade with the Bills?

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    1 hour ago, Billl said:

    There’s no way to evaluate the outcome of the trade at this point because we don’t know what the players will turn out to be.  You can, however, evaluate the methodology used to get to this point.  The Chiefs gave up the draft value equivalent of a late 4th rounder to move up while the Bills gained that and a tiny bit more to move back ultimately to 32.  

     

    It’s impossible to know for sure if Worthy would have been taken before the Chiefs were able to draft him, but we do know that he was the first WR taken in a run on WRs that saw 6 taken in the next 10 picks.  Given that knowledge in hindsight, it was a smart move by Kansas City in terms of ensuring they got the one they wanted.  

     

    Conversely, the Bills could have taken the 5th WR off the board at 28.  Instead, they traded back to 33.  3 WRs were taken in that 5 pick window, and they wound up taking the 8th WR.

     

    Ultimately, it will depend on the players taken, but I understand why people would have strong opinions on how each team handled it.

    Here's where I am at. I personally couldn't care less about the trade value and who got what in points according to a chart. 

     

    As you touched on, the Chiefs moved up and of the WRs left aside from the Big 3 and the one the Jags took, decided which one they wanted most and moved to get him. They dictated who they got.

     

    Beane alluded to Coleman being the "last or the WRs that were on Josh's list that he liked". I'm just going to theorize for a second that the final 4 on the list came down to Worthy, Leggette, Pearsall and Coleman because those were the final picks at WR before Buffalo picked. They allowed KC to come grab who they wanted. SF took one. Leaving 2. Buffalo allowed Carolina to grab Leggette. They in a sense allowed the market to dictate to them who they would be selecting. 

     

    One GM made his choice and got his guy. "Leftover Beane's" sat back and sure, got back into the 3rd round but really lost his chance to make his choice on his own. Now, right choice or wrong choice for KC, that remains to be seen. But the fact they MADE it makes it a respectable move.

     

     

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    Did we do enough at wide receiver?

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    I think I see what Beane is trying to do with WRs. A great ability to have is unpredictability. It's good to have the ability to spread the ball around, find the mismatches and exploit them. 

     

    However, I'm kind of tired of the constant questions at WR. Last year was "hoping" Sheffield and Harty were more than they had ever been. They weren't. Or "hoping" John Brown or Cole Beasley could be brought back mid season and regain their past play. They didn't. "Hoping" Gabe Davis could take the step to be a consistent #2 WR and possibly one day a #1. He couldn't. So on and so forth.

     

    I get it, not every spot can be filled with an NFL All-Pro. Role players are useful. Just once though I would love to have more answers than questions at WR. This year it's "How will Coleman fit?" It's "Man, maybe Shavers or Short can step up". "Can Andy Isabella have a late age growth spurt and make it to 5'5" tall?" "Can KJ Hamler (who I do think at least has some potential skill) stop doing Marquise Goodwin impressions?"

     

    Just one year can we not have Josh Allen throwing to the Island of the Misfit Toys?

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    The "who I would've drafted instead" re-draft, 2024 edition. Are you smarter than the GM?

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    16 minutes ago, FireChans said:

    Oh man, that must be why every other second round pick by every other GM was a bust. Or was it because COVID only happened in Erie County?

    Only two explanations are incompetence or malfeasance.

    Saying every other pick is a bit overzealous, and I think you're intelligent enough to know that.

     

    And while there were a few good picks in round 2 that draft there are a lot of misses early (rounds 1 and 2). Without the time this morning to contrast and compare earlier seasons it looks to the eye to be a higher number of misses league wide then an average year.

     

    When you combine the lack of normalcy that year with what looks in retrospect to have been a fairly weak draft class, yeah, it played into that pick. 

    The "who I would've drafted instead" re-draft, 2024 edition. Are you smarter than the GM?

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    24 minutes ago, FireChans said:

    exactly. That’s why Boogie Basham is gonna be an All-Pro, because there’s no way some folks on here could be right about him being a complete and total bum, while Beane thinks he’s worth a second rounder. 

    Wasn't Boogie drafted off the COVID off season? You know, the one that GMs couldn't go to Pro Days, do as much deep digging as usual? Couldn't get in person with the draftees? 

     

    You know, the season that NFL GMs were pretty much relegated to having only slightly more information available to them than fans normally do? And they missed on that pick? Shocker.

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    Coleman = Benjamin, Davis = Moss - Beane players

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    5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:


    All you did with this thread and tell everyone you literally know nothing about Coleman and Davis.  If you did you wouldn’t have started it with these inaccurate and lazy comparisons.

     

    And I don’t know why this is so hard for people to understand…but Beane isn’t trying to bring in Davis 2.0 and Diggs 2.0 so stop trying to say well this guy must be this guys replacement.  Its not at all what they are doing.

    This drives me crazy as well. It's like for years whenever there's a really good LBer in the draft we have to hear people say "Well McD has to have him so he has his Luke Keuchley". 

     

    Teams that are coached well evolve to the players on the team. They change over time based on a number of things to include how the the league changes. 4 years ago the Diggs/Davis combo was not a bad set of skillets to have at WR.

     

    Now with defenses showing more deep looks and taking away the big play what is offense turning into? WR screens. Hello Curtis Samuel. Tougher contested catches and plays in the middle of the field. Hello Keon Coleman. Some pounding runs to keep ahead of the sticks. Hello Ray Davis and Pran-Granger.

     

    Sure, we need someone that can stretch the field and be that deep threat. Let's see if they bring in a DJ Chark for that. If KJ Hamler can stay healthy I'm not sleeping on him either. This offense is setting up to play against what NFL defenses are evolving to. Will it work? Time will tell. But I think they are moving in the right direction. 

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    Rd 7, Pick 221: OT Travis Clayton

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    4 minutes ago, Poleshifter said:

    RB Christian Wade had to wait for his blockers to be BEHIND him. 

     

    I don't see that as a problem for a OG/OT. Perhaps we can give this guy a chance before dismissing him.

     

    Not dismissing him. Anything can happen. But even late picks that have played the sport their whole life, trained and have experience for 15 years have difficulty making a career for themselves. Doing it while trying to learn and train your body at the highest level of the sport adds many new layers of difficulty and unlikeliness. Anything can happen for sure. The road just is a bit tougher.

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