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    Buffalo Bills Embedded: (Pre Draft) Exclusives with Khalil Shakir, Terrel Bernard & GM Brandon Beane

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    Good episode.

     

    Glad to see Moulds staying active. Shakir working with him can only pay dividends. He seems like a good kid. Very hard working and likable. Have to lose a tad bit of respect over the way he likes his steak...but he seems to have married well.

     

    His wife was the star of the show. Makes dad jokes and isn't afraid to grill? How that translates to year 3 development remains to be seen. Well done, Khalil. 

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    What's the point of this team's philosophy?

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    29 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

     

    Agree with the first part of that, but Allen's metrics got notably worse last season under Brady.  That's not debatable.  

     

    His completion percentage, which should have gone up given how McBrady used him, decreased significantly.  His TD production also plummeted.  

     

    If that pace continues for this season, he'd finish with about 4,100 passing yards and 24 passing TDs, which would be his worst showing since before he became good, since 2019 essentially when many were calling for the team to move on from him to add some perspective.  

     

    His rating was worse, substantially worse, than it's been since 2019.  85.5, which on the season would have ranked 23rd, just behind Justin Fields and ahead of absolutely no one of consequence.  

     

    All those ranting about how we improved under Brady are hallucinating.  But we enjoy our hallucinations though. 

     

    In short, the reality is that McBrady are moving him in the opposite direction from where he should be going.  

     

     

    You mean his stats went down later in the season as weather worsened, his #1 receiver disappeared and his #2 WR ended up not playing due to injury? Shocking. 

     

    His TD passing numbers went down (yet he still ran for a bunch...but we shall discount that because....reasons). Buffalo also faced a Dallas defense that required Josh to basically not have anything as far as stats. But let's discount that as well.

     

    Numbers are great but they never tell the whole story. Numbers often scratch the surface of what's happening. It's the "why" the numbers are what they are that add context and meaning. The only number you offer is his "rating" which I find a poor way to evaluate a QB in this era. The top 5 QBs last year in rating were Purdy, Prescott, Tua, Lamar and Stroud. Unless you think those are the best 5 QBs in the NFL...it says something for how the rating system works, doesn't it?

     

    Metrics are nice and there is absolutely a place for them when reviewing a player. But it's part of the puzzle. 

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    What's the point of this team's philosophy?

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    Just now, SoonerBillsFan said:

    Someone posted a link yesterday, Josh only attempted I think 12 or 13 passes over 50 yards all year.  Mahomes attempted less.

     

    Look I get it, everyone wants the deep ball and it will happen from last time to time, but it's not a consistency thing. Let Josh get the ball to guys short and medium most of the time, let them get YAC and have sustained drives that end in scoring.  It's what KC and SF does.

     

    Yes Josh has one of the strongest arms in THE NFL, but so did Elway. Elway didn't win a superbowl until he ran Shanahans WCO. He let the running game help a ton with both scheme and Davis, and distributed the ball. He let his WR'S  get RAC. and that did open up deeper shots.

    Yeah, a lot of people see "arm strength" as being the same as being a deep ball thrower. It's not. I've never seen Josh as being particularly great at throwing deep passes that are on the mark. He'll hit some but many are off target. 

     

    Josh's arm strength is apparent in the way that he can fit the ball into smaller windows later in the play than others can. It's the pop in the pass that gets the ball to his guy on a 15 yard out way faster than most QBs. After watching Josh it sometimes feel other guys are throwing lobs. 

     

    Also due to modern defense and the way teams have moved more to the 2 deep shell against QBs that pose the big play threat like Allen and Mahomes...the opportunity for the deep play just aren't available. Trying against that look results in the outcome we saw week 1 against the Jets. Incompletions and "arm punts".

     

    So what's our offensive philosophy? It's going to have to be working the short to intermediate. Staying patient. And if an opportunity for a big play presents itself...to identify and take advantage. And Josh played some of the best ball of his career down the stretch last year doing just that.

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    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    1 minute ago, NoSaint said:


    I don’t think he will be targeted 40 yards downfield a ton but I do think he will be asked to run plenty of crossers, etc… in addition to those deep routes. 
     

    I also hope occasionally he will catch the ball short and be asked to run a long distance 

    Yeah, he's got some YAC ability. And he looks to be tough to bring down in the open field. Pretty intense guy that stays on his feet for extra yards...doesn't slide down in front of tacklers.

     

    He and Allen are going to feed off each others energy on the field. Looking forward to see what he does 

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    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    1 hour ago, Heitz said:

     

    The kid seems to have the right attitude. Loved his presser too. 🤣

     

    I think it'll all be in how they use him - without the speed, how do you scheme him up to highpoint some balls on the sidelines? Which, BTW seems like like an Allen special, after breaking contain. 💨

     

    It'll definitely be interesting to see what happens when the games start. How DOES this kid work out despite all of the opinions? Let's hope he and Josh get together, get that relationship going, start getting work in - I'm rooting for him! :beer: 

    Yeah, that's my thing. I don't believe he's going to be asked to run straight line deep routes very much. So how does Brady use him and what can they do to incorporate what he does do well. Out routes? Hook routes? I think he's going to feast in that 11-20 yard range...and I don't think anyone is going to out hustle or out work him to the ball. 

     

    That was always a big complaint I had with Gabe Davis. Seemed like far too often when a DB got position on him to make a play on the ball Gabe was a bit passive. Resulted it a fairly high INT% when targeted. I don't see that problem with Coleman. 

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    Fact vs Fiction: "Keon Coleman is not a separator"

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    1 minute ago, VW82 said:


    I always have to laugh when defenses play zone vs us. Josh excels vs zone. Diggs and Beasley were always so good finding soft spots. Kincaid is obviously really good vs zone. Anyone dumb enough to try and zone us deserves what they get.

    To be fair sometimes it's a double edge sword. Play zone and Josh can find the soft spot....but everyone on defense is facing the QB and can react if Allen runs.

     

    Play man and most of your defense turns to run with their guy and no one has eyes on Allen...and he bucks for 20 yards. Pick your poison.

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    Did we do enough at wide receiver?

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    14 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

     

    To be fair, we weren't exactly hoping that Sherfield and Harty were more than they ever had been.  

     

    At least, I would have been happy if Sherfield could have repeated his 30 catch, 417 yd performance from 2022 with Miami, and if Harty had repeated his 30 catch, 570 yd performance from his previous healthy season in 2021.

     

    But these are small points.  Overall, the bottom line is I was hoping we could bring our WR talent back to 2022 levels and instead it's looking 2019-like, which was Not Good Enough.

    I can say this. I know that's what you were hoping for out of Sherfield and Harty. That's because you're pretty level headed and realistic. I can't say the same for everyone and some of the debates I had here people had them ready to replicate Brown/Beasley numbers or better which was a little over the top on my assessment. 

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    Would the Chiefs had ended up with Worthy without the trade with the Bills?

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    1 hour ago, Billl said:

    There’s no way to evaluate the outcome of the trade at this point because we don’t know what the players will turn out to be.  You can, however, evaluate the methodology used to get to this point.  The Chiefs gave up the draft value equivalent of a late 4th rounder to move up while the Bills gained that and a tiny bit more to move back ultimately to 32.  

     

    It’s impossible to know for sure if Worthy would have been taken before the Chiefs were able to draft him, but we do know that he was the first WR taken in a run on WRs that saw 6 taken in the next 10 picks.  Given that knowledge in hindsight, it was a smart move by Kansas City in terms of ensuring they got the one they wanted.  

     

    Conversely, the Bills could have taken the 5th WR off the board at 28.  Instead, they traded back to 33.  3 WRs were taken in that 5 pick window, and they wound up taking the 8th WR.

     

    Ultimately, it will depend on the players taken, but I understand why people would have strong opinions on how each team handled it.

    Here's where I am at. I personally couldn't care less about the trade value and who got what in points according to a chart. 

     

    As you touched on, the Chiefs moved up and of the WRs left aside from the Big 3 and the one the Jags took, decided which one they wanted most and moved to get him. They dictated who they got.

     

    Beane alluded to Coleman being the "last or the WRs that were on Josh's list that he liked". I'm just going to theorize for a second that the final 4 on the list came down to Worthy, Leggette, Pearsall and Coleman because those were the final picks at WR before Buffalo picked. They allowed KC to come grab who they wanted. SF took one. Leaving 2. Buffalo allowed Carolina to grab Leggette. They in a sense allowed the market to dictate to them who they would be selecting. 

     

    One GM made his choice and got his guy. "Leftover Beane's" sat back and sure, got back into the 3rd round but really lost his chance to make his choice on his own. Now, right choice or wrong choice for KC, that remains to be seen. But the fact they MADE it makes it a respectable move.

     

     

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    Did we do enough at wide receiver?

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    I think I see what Beane is trying to do with WRs. A great ability to have is unpredictability. It's good to have the ability to spread the ball around, find the mismatches and exploit them. 

     

    However, I'm kind of tired of the constant questions at WR. Last year was "hoping" Sheffield and Harty were more than they had ever been. They weren't. Or "hoping" John Brown or Cole Beasley could be brought back mid season and regain their past play. They didn't. "Hoping" Gabe Davis could take the step to be a consistent #2 WR and possibly one day a #1. He couldn't. So on and so forth.

     

    I get it, not every spot can be filled with an NFL All-Pro. Role players are useful. Just once though I would love to have more answers than questions at WR. This year it's "How will Coleman fit?" It's "Man, maybe Shavers or Short can step up". "Can Andy Isabella have a late age growth spurt and make it to 5'5" tall?" "Can KJ Hamler (who I do think at least has some potential skill) stop doing Marquise Goodwin impressions?"

     

    Just one year can we not have Josh Allen throwing to the Island of the Misfit Toys?

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