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On 11/13/2019 at 7:32 PM, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:
....And did not play for a Power 5 team with a high powered passing attack, like Oklahoma or Texas Tech. He lacks experience, is raw but improving, and is learning at the NFL what some of these guys experienced in college. Let's give the player some patience, he has a lot of positive characteristics.
You just a few posts ago said there was a reason Kyle Allen was not drafted, do you think there then is a reason Josh had no D1 out of HS, 2 D1 offers out of JC, and was 3rd team all MWC senior season at Wyoming?
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Allen #1 - 25 GP, 4283 Yds, 61.7%, 7.4 Y/Att, 37 TD, 18 INT, Rating 138.6
Allen #2 - 27 GP, 5066 Yds, 56.2%, 7.8 Y/Att, 44 TD, 21 INT, Rating 137.7
One Allen UDFA, other gave up 2 2nd rd picks to trade to #7 to draft. I’m not saying I would trade Allens, but I sure as hell wouldn't have drafted one of them #7 overall.
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11 hours ago, Pokebball said:
@Billsflyer12 is a Colorado State fan that joined this board a couple of months after Josh was drafted. He's only hear to troll Bills fans about Josh.
@Billl joined the board yesterday. He's trolling
I’m not a f*****g troll. I’m not CSU fan trolling Josh. I’m a WNY native, huge Bills fan, that has a different opinion as you. GMAFB.
FYI, I grew up in suburbs of Rochester, my family and I have been Bills fans my whole life. My 3 older children were born at Strong Hospital in Rochester. I was married in a church in Pittsford, as my wife is also a Rochester native.
Professionally I have moved around with my company. We left WNY in 2004, lived in Houston for 8 years. Then moved to Denver when my older kids were starting High School. We just moved back to WNY this summer with our 2 younger kids, our 3 older kids stayed in Colorado as 2 of them are at Colorado St, another at the University of Colorado. I’m not a CSU fan, just attended many games with my boys. I’m a CU fan where my daughter attends school.
I’m a passionate, lifelong Bills fan. I’ve watched every game, even having been away for 15 years. Yes, I hated the Allen pick, like I said before mostly because they gave up capital to get him. I hope Josh is the QB for us now that he is here.
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1 hour ago, Pokebball said:
You didn't come close to showing "them all". On the one hand you say that Wyoming is so inferior to P5 schools and then you want to credit everything at Wyoming to one kid. You can't have it both ways man! How would have any of these P5 QBs performed at Wyo? How well would JA have preformed at one of these P5 schools? You can't ignore that context, along with all of the "better" talent around these P5 QBs. Your "them all" stats totally whif on this context. Please tell me you understand that.
No he's not, and it's not even close.
I guess I’m not sure what your logic is.
1) There were reasons why Josh was at Wyoming and not a P5 school. Not recruited out of HS, and only 2 D1 offers out of JC Wyoming and Eastern Michigan.
2). Yes, I think if you put Watson or Mahomes on the exactly same Wyoming team they would have been better then Josh.
3). Big Ben played in the MAC, started almost every game all 3 years he was there without P5 talent, and was significantly better statistically. Joe Flacco at Delaware we’re he passed for almost 7000yds and 64% completion in his 24 starts there, not P5 talent around him.
4). Yes I think that elite talent at inferior schools should do be expected to do really well. Also remember, they may not have P5 talent on their team, but they aren’t playing P5 talent either.
I hope Josh is amazing. For or me Joe Flacco or Big Ben careers would be great result for Josh. Could have had 2 HOF level QBs and given up no draft capital for them. JMHO
Also, I have 2 boys in school at Colorado St, have seen tons of MWC football including Josh in person his last year. Also have 2 D1 football playing nephews.
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35 minutes ago, Pokebball said:
Do you think the two QBs you mentioned from P5 conferences were/are projects? I think everyone here does with the possible exception of you???
No, not projects. Both Mahomes and Watson passed for well over 5,000 yds, 65% Completion. Both had at least 45 TDs and less then 18 INTs in their 1st 20 starts.
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5 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:
Not every QB develops at the same pace as there are so many variables. Josh Allen didn't play in a big time football program in college nor was he developed under an offensive genius in the NFL.
Allen didn't play at USC or UCLA in a scheme that had good to really great players around him as every player that had touched the football at Wyoming in 2016 was gone in 2017. His final season he had to deal with offensive players just learning their jobs. Plus he was in an NFL style deep passing scheme that didn't have a lot of short passes like Mayfield, Darnold or Rosen had to pad his completion percentage. Josh Allen was touted as being a project developmental project and unlike those other three wasn't as polished or NFL ready to start. He was supposed to sit and learn for a season.
The problem was the QB this offensive regime had picked to be the 2018 starting QB was Nathan Peterman...how did that turn out? What does that alone tell you about the mentality of the Bills offensive coaches? Allen was thrown into the fire the first game after the Bills brain trust giving Peterman all the first team reps all off season. This tells me that Allen's offensive coaches pretty much had their proverbial heads up their posterior!
Patrick Mahomes was able to sit, learn and develop for a YEAR behind a #1 overall pick at QB in Alex Smith and taught and developed by an NFL offensive genius in Andy Reid. Like comparing apples to tables. Watson is a different story but his HC was an NFC offensive mind with a New England Patriots background...you didn't see attempting to start Nathan Peterman. Bill O'Brian fielded winning teams with Fitz, Hoyer, Osweiler, Tom Savage at QB
Right now there is no question that Josh Allen is better then Baker Mayfield who is graded as the worst starting QB in the NFL. Rosen isn't even a starter and Darnold is 1-4 and playing on a team that was touted to contend for the AFC East division. 1-7
The NFL isn't easy as the past is filled with so many failed first round QB's. Allen is a young and up and coming superstar being led by an OC who has never fielded an offense better then 20th in his six seasons, 4 NFL teams. In actuality, it's Allen who's making Daboll look like a viable NFL OC.
I don’t blame Josh at all and I like him. It’s not his fault for where he was drafted, what team drafts him and what type of coaches coach him.
I blame McBeane. They not only passed on 2 college college QBs from power 5 conferences that passed for over 10,000 yds and 65% completion %. They gave up 2 2nd round picks to get a mountain west QB that even his biggest supporters says was a project.
Has he improved, sure maybe some this season in some areas. I’m hoping he has similar path as Big Ben career wise. A big QB, out of small conference, who had slow 1st couple of seasons, that grows into a all pro, super bowl winning QB. There is time, and I’m hoping for his success.
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9 minutes ago, wiley16350 said:
There is so much context lost on just showing stats but we both can play this stupid little game.
2018 Bills 2019 Bills
11 Games 8 Games
169/320 52.8% 148/243 60.9%2,074 Yards 6.5 avg 1,653 Yards 6.8 avg
10 TD 3.1% 10 TD 4.1%
12 INT 3.8% 7 INT 2.9%67.9 Rating 82.9 Rating
Every number has improved from 2018
And yet he is basically the same QB we was in college after 20 games. Time will tell if he improves on that, history largely shows he won’t. I hope he does. I hated the pick, especially giving up 2 2nd picks to get him, but am really hoping he and Bills are super successful.
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13 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:
This last game was a perfect example on how to develop a young, inexperienced QB by running more and passing less, 20 pass attempts vs 39 rush attempts.
Some Bills fans don't like it and say its Jauron ball. Too bad, as this is how you develop a QB into an elite passer. Don't force that QB to carry the offense and instead allow him to help win the game!
You mean like 2 other QBs we could have had?
Watson - 32 games, 683/1011 67.6 %. 63 TD/22 INT 8296 yds. 259 yds/game
Mahomes - 24 games, 562/856. 65.7%. 65 TD/14 INT. 7561 yds. 315 yds/game
6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:And?
Question was “Is Josh Allen improving as a passer”. Correct?
I just posted ALL of his stats from college and pros side by side. I guess anyone can slice specific games or specific few games. I just showed them all.
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2016/2017 Wyoming 2018/2019 Bills
25 Games. 20 Games
361/643 56.2%. 317/563. 56.3%
5015 yds. 3727 yds
Yds/Game. 200 yds Yds/Game. 186 yds
Yds/Attempt 7.7. Yds/Attempt. 6.6
Yds/Completion 13.8. Yds/Completion. 11.75
44 TDs. 20 TDs
21 Int. 19 Int
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We passed on Watson. We passed on Mahomes. We traded 2 2nd round picks to move up 5 spots to basically draft Tyrod. I still just don’t get anything about the handling of the QB position with this administration.
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2017 - Today
Bills record against teams that finished season/projected for this year, @ .500 or above 5-14, outscored 495-229
With the 5 wins against teams @ .500 or better Bills averaging only 18.6 pts in the WIN
2 of the 5 wins are against teams right @ .500
Of the 5 wins against teams @ .500 or above, only 1 was at home vs 7 losses at home. Only home win was a 2018 13-12 win against Titans.
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17 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:
In the Process I trust.
Crap games happen. Don't pretend the Eagles are the dregs of the NFL
Isn’t this the point, the Eagles are good and the Bills got their a** kicked at home. I understand they can only play the schedule they are given, but when they do play a better team they need to win a couple of them.
Warren Sharp stat from yesterday, Bills now 0-8 the last 2 years against teams with average or better offenses. They allow 29 ppg and lose by average score of 29-9.
They need to start getting a couple of signature wins against good teams or we will continue to just be talked about as the paper tiger that we are. I hope they do, probably only have a couple opportunities to do so this season. Cowboys and Patriot wins would really help. JMHO
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Just now, Alphadawg7 said:
They fired a bad coach, not a defensive coach. This stupid notion that you cant coach if you come from defensive side is beyond stupid. Go ask the Pats what they think of your thoughts.
I was enjoying you trolling everyone, now I worry that you actually believe everything what you are posting.
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4 hours ago, Bangarang said:
There isn’t a #1 WR available in free agency.
Or in the draft. WR thin in both places.
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9 hours ago, metzelaars_lives said:
There is no question that Patrick Mahomes is and will be a better NFL QB than Josh Allen. None.
That being said, Mahomes LITERALLY has had the most ideal transition to becoming a starting NFL QB of any QB ever (with the possible exception of Aaron Rodgers) and Josh Allen has LITERALLY had the least ideal transition to becoming a starting NFL QB of any QB ever (including David Carr). And this is not hyperbole. It is impossible to compare the two of them apples to apples.
To be clear it is largely McBeane’s doing. They gutted the roster, they traded away multiple picks on a rebuilding team. People act like these guys inherited this team and draft board.
Even if you believe it is part of “the process,” they created this mess.
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1 minute ago, Buff76ers said:
Sorry but this is dumb. How about we go ahead and list all the players that the bills passed on that turned out to be superstars or really good. Oh don’t forget to mention the other teams that also passed on superstars. Ya it would have been nice to grab him and not given up picks, but until you see what he can do with a terrible O-line and recovers like we have it’s a moo point.
That sounds great and all, but this organization has not only shown no interest in offense at all in past what 15 years, but shown no ability to draft the most important position in all of sports. Its unreal how bad they have been with offense since the K gun era.
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So we could have resigned Robert Woods in March if 2017, draft Mahomes in 2017 draft, kept Sammy, kept Glenn because we don’t need the draft pick to trade up to get Allen.
So offense with Mahomes, Shady, Watkins, Woods, Clay. Glen and Dawkins anchoring the line, all sure sounds like something that might be ok, at least light years better then our current situation.
This also would allowed us to still draft Edmunds and save the draft pick lost for KB. But yeah, we wouldnt have a good CB.
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51 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
It is a catch 22
Not gonna get much......except cap space
McBeane are really good at trading players for a almost nothing to free up cap space.
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7 minutes ago, VW82 said:
McD traded half the roster, and you think they should have traded the other half too? The reason they didn't trade Wood, Shady, Hughes, Kyle, and Lorenzo is because those guys were the real leaders in the locker room. McD needed them for culture reasons, if not their actual play on the field. You can't rebuild the whole team overnight.
Culture reasons? Culture is the most overrated concept in all of sports. They traded and cut players with more talent, then they received, drafted or signed.
"Culture," "process," "faith, family and football" are things spoken by those who don't have a real plan or idea what they are doing. They are created to blind the sheep and it has clearly worked with many Bills fans and the Pegulas.
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This Bills offseason:
Vonte - Inactive/Quit
Kerley - Cut
McCarron - Traded
Coleman - Cut
Ivory - 3rd String RB
Bodine - Bench
Murphy - Injured/ little today
Star - His name even mentioned the 1st 2 games?
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47 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
Would you not say getting two guys you see as your leaders for years on both sides of the ball is a good start at rebuilding?
They didn’t have to use that capital. They could have gotten similar or better players, along with others to get the rebuilding started. They could have gotten several QB for less or even no capital. They gave up capital to get Allen, Edmunds and Harrison, along with giving up capital to get Zay and gave up Dareus to get Wyatt Teller.
With a bad roster, with tons of holes, the foundation of this rebuild was way to expensive IMHO.
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They used 6 1-3 round picks to draft 3 players, Allen, Edmunds and Harrison. Even if all 3 of those players are good for a rebuilding team with a ton of needs that is not smart.
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42 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:
You know, this is a common cop out I am starting to see more and more often. Heck even McDermott said it this week. This is the team we “inherited” and now we’re trying to build it the “right way”.
Well McDermott and Beane, it’s on you too. You didn’t have to trade 23 year old Ronald Darby for a 3rd, he could have been your corner opposite White for 2 more years. You didn’t have to bench Taylor and put in a 5th Round rookie.
McDermott you didn’t have to trade up for Zay Jones, who has been a complete bust, and you didn’t have to trade up for Dion Dawkins, giving away two more draft picks.
You gutted prominent players on the offensive line in Glenn and on the defensive line in Dareus.
Whaley handed you Poyer and Hyde.
Whaley also handed you Clay and McCoy and Hughes and Alexander. All guys that you couldn’t find anyone better than.
Did Beane read the situation right by trading #12, #53, #56 to move up 5 spots for Allen? A team was really going to move up ahead of the Bills? Let alone was Allen the right choice?
Did we have to trade #65 for Edmunds? Was why Preston Brown allowed to walk?
Deonte Thompson was let go, Jordan Matthews wasn’t resigned, Dez Bryant is still out there, did the Bills really do everything they could to improve WR?
Did Mike Tolbert have to be the one and only backup RB last year while we leaned on 29 year old McCoy?
Why did this FO think Chris Ivory was worth signing?
Do McDermott and Beane watch these games, 40+ points being scored, Quarterbacks throwing for 400 yards and think we are going to build an offense like that? Or are they Dick Jauron/Doug Marrone disciples who believe in hard work, punting and snowy Buffalo rock pounding?
I think it’s too early to judge Beane and McDermott fully, but neither one gives me a great feeling that they know what they are doing. Neither one gives me a feeling that we are going to have a watchable offense on Sundays. They give me the feeling that we are stuck in the same conservative mindset. The same type of Coaching we always get. They give me the feeling that their minds are stuck in Carolina, stuck on winning 17-14 games with Kaolin Clay on Special Teams, stuck on punting to play field position and kicking FGs on 4th-1.
The Bills are out there trying to run McCoy out of Shotgun, and throwing 5 yard outs on 3rd-8 to avoid turnovers and keep the down and distance manageable. Trying to beat teams like the Saints and Rams by pinning them in their own end.....
Its not not too early to judge. Playoffs in 2017 bought them through 2019, but next offseason better be good. You don’t get 5 year rebuilds. And stop blowing picks by trading up all the time, there are holes everywhere on this roster. Might have to bypass the choir boy to get a guy who can run a 4.30.
This 1000x over!!
Not only Bills vs Broncos but Wyo vs. CSU
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I have 2 kids attending CSU and not exactly a fan of JA as a player. Yet, I have ZERO problem with this, I love it. It’s what makes college football so great. Passion and tradition is real and stays with you your whole life. That said, I am hoping for Rams win.
BTW, Cam not a sheep and has the biggest sack in the WAC.