Billsflyer12
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13 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:
This last game was a perfect example on how to develop a young, inexperienced QB by running more and passing less, 20 pass attempts vs 39 rush attempts.
Some Bills fans don't like it and say its Jauron ball. Too bad, as this is how you develop a QB into an elite passer. Don't force that QB to carry the offense and instead allow him to help win the game!
You mean like 2 other QBs we could have had?
Watson - 32 games, 683/1011 67.6 %. 63 TD/22 INT 8296 yds. 259 yds/game
Mahomes - 24 games, 562/856. 65.7%. 65 TD/14 INT. 7561 yds. 315 yds/game
6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:And?
Question was “Is Josh Allen improving as a passer”. Correct?
I just posted ALL of his stats from college and pros side by side. I guess anyone can slice specific games or specific few games. I just showed them all.
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2016/2017 Wyoming 2018/2019 Bills
25 Games. 20 Games
361/643 56.2%. 317/563. 56.3%
5015 yds. 3727 yds
Yds/Game. 200 yds Yds/Game. 186 yds
Yds/Attempt 7.7. Yds/Attempt. 6.6
Yds/Completion 13.8. Yds/Completion. 11.75
44 TDs. 20 TDs
21 Int. 19 Int
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We passed on Watson. We passed on Mahomes. We traded 2 2nd round picks to move up 5 spots to basically draft Tyrod. I still just don’t get anything about the handling of the QB position with this administration.
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2017 - Today
Bills record against teams that finished season/projected for this year, @ .500 or above 5-14, outscored 495-229
With the 5 wins against teams @ .500 or better Bills averaging only 18.6 pts in the WIN
2 of the 5 wins are against teams right @ .500
Of the 5 wins against teams @ .500 or above, only 1 was at home vs 7 losses at home. Only home win was a 2018 13-12 win against Titans.
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17 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:
In the Process I trust.
Crap games happen. Don't pretend the Eagles are the dregs of the NFL
Isn’t this the point, the Eagles are good and the Bills got their a** kicked at home. I understand they can only play the schedule they are given, but when they do play a better team they need to win a couple of them.
Warren Sharp stat from yesterday, Bills now 0-8 the last 2 years against teams with average or better offenses. They allow 29 ppg and lose by average score of 29-9.
They need to start getting a couple of signature wins against good teams or we will continue to just be talked about as the paper tiger that we are. I hope they do, probably only have a couple opportunities to do so this season. Cowboys and Patriot wins would really help. JMHO
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Just now, Alphadawg7 said:
They fired a bad coach, not a defensive coach. This stupid notion that you cant coach if you come from defensive side is beyond stupid. Go ask the Pats what they think of your thoughts.
I was enjoying you trolling everyone, now I worry that you actually believe everything what you are posting.
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4 hours ago, Bangarang said:
There isn’t a #1 WR available in free agency.
Or in the draft. WR thin in both places.
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9 hours ago, metzelaars_lives said:
There is no question that Patrick Mahomes is and will be a better NFL QB than Josh Allen. None.
That being said, Mahomes LITERALLY has had the most ideal transition to becoming a starting NFL QB of any QB ever (with the possible exception of Aaron Rodgers) and Josh Allen has LITERALLY had the least ideal transition to becoming a starting NFL QB of any QB ever (including David Carr). And this is not hyperbole. It is impossible to compare the two of them apples to apples.
To be clear it is largely McBeane’s doing. They gutted the roster, they traded away multiple picks on a rebuilding team. People act like these guys inherited this team and draft board.
Even if you believe it is part of “the process,” they created this mess.
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1 minute ago, Buff76ers said:
Sorry but this is dumb. How about we go ahead and list all the players that the bills passed on that turned out to be superstars or really good. Oh don’t forget to mention the other teams that also passed on superstars. Ya it would have been nice to grab him and not given up picks, but until you see what he can do with a terrible O-line and recovers like we have it’s a moo point.
That sounds great and all, but this organization has not only shown no interest in offense at all in past what 15 years, but shown no ability to draft the most important position in all of sports. Its unreal how bad they have been with offense since the K gun era.
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So we could have resigned Robert Woods in March if 2017, draft Mahomes in 2017 draft, kept Sammy, kept Glenn because we don’t need the draft pick to trade up to get Allen.
So offense with Mahomes, Shady, Watkins, Woods, Clay. Glen and Dawkins anchoring the line, all sure sounds like something that might be ok, at least light years better then our current situation.
This also would allowed us to still draft Edmunds and save the draft pick lost for KB. But yeah, we wouldnt have a good CB.
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51 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
It is a catch 22
Not gonna get much......except cap space
McBeane are really good at trading players for a almost nothing to free up cap space.
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7 minutes ago, VW82 said:
McD traded half the roster, and you think they should have traded the other half too? The reason they didn't trade Wood, Shady, Hughes, Kyle, and Lorenzo is because those guys were the real leaders in the locker room. McD needed them for culture reasons, if not their actual play on the field. You can't rebuild the whole team overnight.
Culture reasons? Culture is the most overrated concept in all of sports. They traded and cut players with more talent, then they received, drafted or signed.
"Culture," "process," "faith, family and football" are things spoken by those who don't have a real plan or idea what they are doing. They are created to blind the sheep and it has clearly worked with many Bills fans and the Pegulas.
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This Bills offseason:
Vonte - Inactive/Quit
Kerley - Cut
McCarron - Traded
Coleman - Cut
Ivory - 3rd String RB
Bodine - Bench
Murphy - Injured/ little today
Star - His name even mentioned the 1st 2 games?
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47 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
Would you not say getting two guys you see as your leaders for years on both sides of the ball is a good start at rebuilding?
They didn’t have to use that capital. They could have gotten similar or better players, along with others to get the rebuilding started. They could have gotten several QB for less or even no capital. They gave up capital to get Allen, Edmunds and Harrison, along with giving up capital to get Zay and gave up Dareus to get Wyatt Teller.
With a bad roster, with tons of holes, the foundation of this rebuild was way to expensive IMHO.
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They used 6 1-3 round picks to draft 3 players, Allen, Edmunds and Harrison. Even if all 3 of those players are good for a rebuilding team with a ton of needs that is not smart.
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42 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:
You know, this is a common cop out I am starting to see more and more often. Heck even McDermott said it this week. This is the team we “inherited” and now we’re trying to build it the “right way”.
Well McDermott and Beane, it’s on you too. You didn’t have to trade 23 year old Ronald Darby for a 3rd, he could have been your corner opposite White for 2 more years. You didn’t have to bench Taylor and put in a 5th Round rookie.
McDermott you didn’t have to trade up for Zay Jones, who has been a complete bust, and you didn’t have to trade up for Dion Dawkins, giving away two more draft picks.
You gutted prominent players on the offensive line in Glenn and on the defensive line in Dareus.
Whaley handed you Poyer and Hyde.
Whaley also handed you Clay and McCoy and Hughes and Alexander. All guys that you couldn’t find anyone better than.
Did Beane read the situation right by trading #12, #53, #56 to move up 5 spots for Allen? A team was really going to move up ahead of the Bills? Let alone was Allen the right choice?
Did we have to trade #65 for Edmunds? Was why Preston Brown allowed to walk?
Deonte Thompson was let go, Jordan Matthews wasn’t resigned, Dez Bryant is still out there, did the Bills really do everything they could to improve WR?
Did Mike Tolbert have to be the one and only backup RB last year while we leaned on 29 year old McCoy?
Why did this FO think Chris Ivory was worth signing?
Do McDermott and Beane watch these games, 40+ points being scored, Quarterbacks throwing for 400 yards and think we are going to build an offense like that? Or are they Dick Jauron/Doug Marrone disciples who believe in hard work, punting and snowy Buffalo rock pounding?
I think it’s too early to judge Beane and McDermott fully, but neither one gives me a great feeling that they know what they are doing. Neither one gives me a feeling that we are going to have a watchable offense on Sundays. They give me the feeling that we are stuck in the same conservative mindset. The same type of Coaching we always get. They give me the feeling that their minds are stuck in Carolina, stuck on winning 17-14 games with Kaolin Clay on Special Teams, stuck on punting to play field position and kicking FGs on 4th-1.
The Bills are out there trying to run McCoy out of Shotgun, and throwing 5 yard outs on 3rd-8 to avoid turnovers and keep the down and distance manageable. Trying to beat teams like the Saints and Rams by pinning them in their own end.....
Its not not too early to judge. Playoffs in 2017 bought them through 2019, but next offseason better be good. You don’t get 5 year rebuilds. And stop blowing picks by trading up all the time, there are holes everywhere on this roster. Might have to bypass the choir boy to get a guy who can run a 4.30.
This 1000x over!!
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5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
go back and take a look at the contract Star got...he actually does everything Marcel does for FAR less
Vonte....I cant really defend that one....its bad to give a contract to a player who does not start for you opening day and you cant put lipstick on that mule
Star was 5yr 50 mil. Which was in the ballpark of what Dareus had left on his contract. Dareus was traded because he wasn’t a McBeene type player. Ok, fine. Can you build a Super Bowl team with only McBeene type players, or at some point talent at least for a few mean more then the McBeene Way?
3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:Did he sit Sunday because he was dinged up?
No. Healthy scratch.
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2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
We are lucky we got ANYTHING for him given that contract.....but I would not expect you to understand that
Then sign Star, his replacement and Vonte to those contracts?
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5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
I will flat out guarantee you were one of the ones howling about how they have to draft a potential franchise QB. They do that and you still complain. I will flat out also guarantee that if they had traded back to get more picks you'd have howled about not getting Allen. I'd be willing to bet you did that with White, and went nuts they didn't take Mahomes, didn't you?
The last two drafts they have a QB, they have the QB on D, a top flight CB, and a starting LT. And other guys that will fill roles. You want All Pros at every spot guaranteed. Completely unrealistic.
They did have to draft one, they took the wrong one and gave up a bunch of capital they couldn’t afford or need to to get Allen. They could have had Watson, Mahomes or Rosen for no or much less draft capital.
I hated the trade up for Allen, don’t think he will be a franchise QB in NFL. Hope I’m wrong. Bad teams can’t afford to give up draft picks, especially for Non QB.
Who else in the league makes a Dareus for Teller trade? People who value having “their kind of guys” over sustained winning.
Just my opinion. Not screaming mad.
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17 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
Potential franchise QB and leader of their D. Starting LT. Shut down corner (whatever that means). Starting DT next year. Slot CB this year. Good return guy in Ray Ray. Potential starting G in Teller.
Yeah, not bad.
They took 6 picks Rd 1-3 on a bad team that needed all of them and ended up with Allen, Edmunds and Harrison.
They knew they were down Eric Wood and didn’t address OL. They traded Dareus for Teller, a 5th rd OL project. That doesn’t seem like a good trade, but I’m sure he is more of a McBeene “kind of guy” then Dareus.
Ray Ray is an all ready hurt 7th rd thrown in as a bone to Bills as the gave up farm to get the 3 best QB in the Mountain West.
Really? Ok.
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6 hours ago, Jaraxxus said:
This is why the franchise can’t have a quick trigger. They’ve already shown to be pretty adept at drafting.
You actually think they have been adept at drafting?
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20 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
The hyperbolic nonsense on this board gets so tiring at times. How many people here think they can do no wrong? few if any. But when you say they have enough of a trak record to know what they'll do, and ignore that a part of their track record was a team making the playoffs last year, it just gets ridiculous.
They have made good moves and bad moves. They have a plan in place to make what they think is a long term contender. Criticixe all you want about the one game on Sunday, but don't make that into a complete indictment. They had three terrible games in a row last year and the same coach rallied them to where? Oh yes, the playoffs.
So there have not been enough moves, games and actions for me to have an opinion on their plan? If so, how many moves, games and actions must they complete for me to have ANY opinions on their plan?
Speaking of hyperbolic, there is a 10 page thread on if you hate the Bills, why are you here. So opinions that don’t fall into proper Bills messaging and fandom make us not supporters. I think the hyperbolic statements come largely, not completely, from Bills blinder type fans.
Simple poll. Is Josh Allen improving as a passer?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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And yet he is basically the same QB we was in college after 20 games. Time will tell if he improves on that, history largely shows he won’t. I hope he does. I hated the pick, especially giving up 2 2nd picks to get him, but am really hoping he and Bills are super successful.