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I don't to "know" anything more about you than the opinions you expressed on this thread. Oh, you mean he hasn't posted a selfie wearing his KKK togs?

Well, you certainly are demonstrating that you know your own.

Your arguments, I suppose, are from the talking points made by your KKK chapter. Bigots who want to justify racism always find a way. FYI, since there are about 3 times more non-Hispanic whites in the US than there are blacks, the police should be killing 3 times as many whites as blacks in order for your numbers to represent anything but racist propaganda.

What's wrong with day-glo chartreuse? They're perfect when playing in rain, mist, and fog, which Seattle gets frequently.

Holy crap! That Arizona game was already a pyrrhic victory ... if they lose Wilson for any games, they're toast. Can you say LA Rams, NFCW division champs???

Baltimore has a bye this week, and GB plays at Chicago. Even at 4-5, the Ravens may have a better chance than the Bills to get to at least 9 wins since they play at GB, Texans and Lions at home, at the Steelers and the Browns, home to the Colts, and home to the Bengals. Only the Lions and Steelers are likely to finish with winning records. In contrast, the Bills play the Saints, at the Chargers, at KC, NE twice, Miami twice, and Indy at home. Going 5-3 is the second half of the season will be a lot harder for the Bills even if they play their best in every game than going 5-2 or even 6-1 will be for the Ravens if they play just a bit better than they have.

My thoughts exactly. Baltimore has played well enough to chalk up 9-10 wins if they ever got their act together and started playing consistently. They don't seem to have a lot of the issues that have plagued several AFC teams that looked like potential playoff teams before the season like QB issues/injuries and crappy coaching. I think Miami is the poster child for those teams, not only losing its QB in preseason but also seeming to have a HC who appears ready to implode.

McVay is the youngest HC but I don't know if Wade is the oldest DC or the second oldest behind Dick LeBeau. Okay .. it's not even close. Dick is 80 years, 61 days (born 1937) and Wade is a youngster at 70 years 141 days (born 1947). Still cool though.

They still have Irsay as the owner though ...

I don't see the logic here. Bradford hasn't consistently looked all that great when he's been healthy that the Bills should jettison Taylor for him IMO. It's true, he hasn't played on particularly talented teams until Philly and the Vikies, but still, I think swapping out Taylor for Bradford is just "the grass is greener with a former #1 pick" syndrome. The Bills have a decent QB who knows the offense and has proven to be durable and adaptable. Until/unless they draft a younger QB who can prove he's better, you stick with what you've got IMO.

That was stupid on my part since I had already talked about the Chargers at Jax and the Rams are NOTHING like the Chargers!

Why do you say that? The Vikes have been winning games with Keenum most of the season so why should they suddenly stop now? Detroit has some significant problems of its own, like it can't seem to score TDs against decent Ds, so until the Lions prove otherwise, the Vikes are in charge.

First, I want to see the Jests and Carp get mauled and left bleeding. Unless they're playing NE, I hate those teams more than any others. That they're playing NFC teams this week is even better: absolutely no dilemmas. Denver can beat NE if it can but I just don't see it. I'll be happy if they pull it off but I'm not holding my breath on that one. I think Pitt at Indy is irrelevant because the Stillers are going to win the AFCN barring an injury to Roethlisberger. Even then, they likely limp into the division title because Cinci and Baltimore simply aren't good enough this season. Jax needs to beat the Chargers to drop them to 3-6 and kill any hope they have of making the playoffs. More importantly, Jax currently holds the tie-breaker of conference win percentage over the Bills in the WC race, so if they take command of the AFCS, that's less WC competition for the Bills. Cinci has 5 losses and Tennessee has only 3. So, if they put a licking on the Titans, it's all good for the Bills. I think that's more likely than it might seem if Cinci shows up. I've watched a few Titans' games, and I haven't been impressed. For good measure, the Texans travel to LA to take on the Chargers. On the theory that any AFC loss to an NFC team is good for the Bills, GO Chargers! Ravens, Chiefs, and Raiders have byes.

The Chargers have a worse history of being unclutch than the Bills since they've only won 1 more playoff game than the Bills since 2006 when Phillip Rivers became their starting QB. When they had all kinds of talent because of the Eli Manning trade and shrewd drafting by Butler and then Smith, they only won 1 playoff game. As their talent level declined, they couldn't win the games they needed to even make the playoffs. This year they've found new ways to lose games and dim their hopes for the playoffs. How much Rivers has contributed to the Chargers' poor record in important games, I don't know. It just seems that he often fails to play like the great QB some believe him to be when the Chargers have games that count or even when less important games are on the line. To me, he's not all that dissimilar to Jay Cutler with untimely interceptions or sloppy play. This. The announcers couldn't get over it because the Eagles fans were cheering so loudly.

I watched part of the game, and they had replays of the whole incident not just Green's chokehold. Green and Ramsey got tangled up, and there was some pushing and shoving. Then Green started to walk away which is when Ramsey apparently said something which provoked Green to go after him. My guess is that the refs ejected both players to keep an already chippy game from getting nastier.

It was still his best game. That's not saying it was all that good, but he's played worse.

I think it's more likely the Chiefs squish the Fish to the tune of 60-0 than the Carp make the playoffs. Frankly, I'm shocked that Gase wasn't fired after that 40-0 massacre by the Ravens. That game was just about the worst effort by an NFL team I've seen in a long while. I wouldn't have bothered watching it but I love it when the Carp get slaughtered ... I remember Zero For the Seventies!

Without knowing who's available, this is an exercise in wasting time. Put a name and face to the #1 pick or give up this useless speculation.

Spreading propaganda again, I see. ... or almost any other QB now in the game except Rodgers or Brady. He's going to be the next elite NFL QB. Not being as good as Russell Wilson isn't such a bad thing ... being only as good as Ryan Tannehill might be, and I think Tyrod's better than that. He's better than many QBs in the league despite the lack of offensive talent and the conservative mind-set of the coaches he's played under with the Bills.

I don't know. Belichick had considerable success before he had Brady. Belichick got those Browns to the playoffs in 1994 ... 11-5 with Vinnie Testaverde as his QB who had never led a team to a winning season in his previous 7 NFL seasons. As Giants DC under Parcells, he was the defensive mastermind behind Parcells' playoff success, including his SB success. Belichick was NE's assistant HC under Parcells when the Patriots lost the SB after the 1996 season. He followed Parcells to the Jests and he was Assistant HC when the Jests lost the AFC Championship game in 1998 ... with Vinnie Testaverde at QB no less. After Belichick left the Jests to coach NE, Parcells never coached another playoff win. Who knows what Brady would have been with another HC and another coaching scheme?

Maybe, but nobody knows. 2000 was Belichick's first year as NE HC, and he spent that year evaluating and upgrading what he had. Brady wasn't drafted with the idea that he was going to replace Bledsoe. Drafting their backup QBs late in the draft or even signing an UDFA was generally how NE operated until they drafted Mallett in the third in 2011 and then Garoppollo in the second in 2014. Brady could have been long gone back to Cali to be an accountant or something by the time the Pats parted with Bledsoe ... Damn stupid Jests! They haven't done anything right since 1969!

I think what you -- and some others -- are not seeing is the rationale for the OP's tiers, which is not based on how well a QB plays/has played so much as it's based on what a QB needs to have success. There are some starting QBs who are just so talented that they'll shine even if playing with little or no support around them. Those are the elite, Tier 1 guys. Then there are some starting QBs who just are not talented enough to be starters no matter how much talent surrounds them ... these aren't journeymen but the backups, wannabees, and busts of various stripes from failed first rounders to UDFAs. The OP really didn't address these guys ... they're probably Tier 4 since they're below the Tier 3. Tier 3 guys can be a variety of guys: journeymen or aging starters or "bridge QBs" or refugees from Tier 4 who have a good run filling in for a missing starter. They can even be first round QBs who are only playing because they're first rounders and their teams are deciding what to do about them. They generally don't have a lot of success, frequently because they don't have the best talent or coaching around them but possibly because they've lost some of their ability or just have too many limitations. Tier 2 guys are the ones who have enough talent to make lemonade if they're given enough lemon juice, sugar, and water. If you've got only 3-5 guys in a tier, the spectrum from top to bottom is limited. If you've got 10 or 15 guys in a tier, there's going to be a spectrum of talent among them. It's hard to quantify because no 2 QBs are exactly the same. It's easy to pick out the guys on the extremes, less so the guys towards the middle. Then, too, there are both young and old QBs in the group as well as QBs who've had lots of starting experience and those with limited experience as starters as well as first round picks who are usually given opportunities early that are not afforded to QBs drafted in the later rounds or who are UDFAs except in special circumstances. All these QBs have enough talent to be starters of decent quality but their performance is much more dependent upon the team around them and/or the coaching situation. If they get into a good situation, they can frequently play like they're elite for stretches ... even a for a season or two... but when the team around them loses its own quality, their play tails off. If there's a coaching change, they're more affected than the Tier 1 guys seem to be. This group is the largest and the most diverse because in the salary cap era situations on teams can and do change dramatically from one season to the next ... even within the season depending upon injuries. Coaching impacts teams -- and that's even more true for QBs than most other players -- far more than it did in the pre-salary cap era, too, when the Cowboys could fleece Minnesota in the Herschel Walker trade and load up with so much talent in the draft that even Barry Switzer could "coach" them to a Super Bowl win. With crappy coaching and surrounded by limited talent, Alex Smith looked like a bust early on in his career. When San Fran improved, he started to look better but he was dumped for a young QB who looked like the next big thing playing in an offensive system that not only highlighted his talents but also masked his deficiencies. Even early on in KC, Smith was considered nothing special as a starter, a "game manager" or "journeyman". Many would have likely consider him only a step or two above Ryan Fitzpatrick ... and then this season happened, and he's being talked about as an MVP candidate. Bledsoe was injured in the first or second game of the 2001 season, so it's a bit difficult to claim that he had "struggled early on the next year".

Elli is streaky, and that makes him an enigma I think. When he's on a hot streak, like he was the last time the Giants won the SB, he's definitely Tier 1 ... he carried that Giants team with his leadership and passing ability, masking a lot of their shortcomings much the way that Rodgers masks a lot of GB's shortcomings. When he gets into a funk, though, like he seems to be this season, he sinks to Tier 3 ... and sometimes to the lower end of Tier 3. Most of the time, though, he's probably a top-half Tier 2 guy ... and in clutch situations, if you can't have Rodgers or Brady, you might consider Eli ... he seems able to make clutch plays more often than you might think.

Then talk about his injuries as a factor in deciding to trade him! Don't claim that he's "inconsistent" which indicates that a WR doesn't play the position well and is unreliable. Good post. My concern about getting rid of Woods and Watkins stems from the fact that the Bills left themselves with no viable WR who can stretch the field. That may come back and bite them in the arse yet even this season, although so far they haven't suffered too badly. I think Benjamin is a good addition but he's not the kind of WR who terrifies DBs. Neither is Zay Jones. The Bills might make the playoffs this season without a downfield burner but if they continue to develop and hope for more than just making the playoffs, they're going to have add a WR good enough to break games open. This sounds like all the gleeful pot shots that so many Bills fans took at Jason Peters and Marshawn Lynch during their initial seasons after they were traded to Philly and Seattle respectively. Both players were overpaid, spoiled scrubs "who didn't want to be here" and the Bills FO was filled with bonafide personnel geniuses for getting rid of them according to so many Bills fans. Well, fast forward 7 or 8 years and both are going to be HOFers ... and they won't be going in as Bills thanks to those geniuses in the Bills FO. It's a tad early to judge the outcome of the Watkins trade ... just as it's unlikely that Benjamin is going to play as well this year as he's likely to play next year for the Bills (assuming they sign him) after he's had OTAs, minicamp, and TC.

Given up on your Carpies, huh?