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"The Guy" doesn't necessarily have to be the best at his position. He has to be a game changer, which is a player whose play can change game momentum -- and does it somewhat frequently over the course of his career. Bruce Smith was that as was Kelly and Thurman. So is Shady.
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1 hour ago, Gigs said:
I think it has more to do with trading away Dareus than anything. Lazy, sure, but he was half the defense in his worst days.
People need to stop being so uptight about what players do off the field. Let the police handle real world ****. If Dareus was horrible and tricked OBD into that $100 mil contract then I’d be on board with the trade, but he was good regardless of how you feel about him.
This team is trying to become the anti-Raiders or something. A team of good guys. Truth is you need edge and attitude to intimidate your opponent; 80% mental, 40% physical, lol.
The late 80s early 90s Bills were faaaaar from being good guys. All the best teams are full of self centered !@#$s. We had Watkins, Dareus and Shady....now one self centered star remains.
Jauron Era 2.0; Electric Lunchpale Boogaloo
Well said, sir! You have nailed it.
I said back in pre-season that McDermott reminded me too much of Jauron, and that's EXACTLY what the Bills have, and maybe worse. Jauron at least had a consistent philosophy: play not to lose by too much. I'm not sure what McDermott's philosophy is except "it's my way or the highway". He sticks to it, however, even when it's obviously not working.
50 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:I don't think they only want choir boys off the field, they are looking for character. And much how it was misunderstood back in the early 90's, it is being misunderstood now.
They are looking for guys who have "football" character. Guys who are in early and stay late, buy into the team concept, the 1/11th stuff. Guys that fight to the end no matter the situation or contract status. They did not feel Marcell had "football character"
Marv was the exact same way. If you believe Marv thought Kelly and crew went home to prayer meetings and cookies and milk you are not giving a hall of fame coach much credit. But he consistently talked about their character, and he meant on the field, as does McBeane in my mind.
Having said that, I liked Marcell, and everyone in first 5 rows of 335 kept telling me all Tampa game to shut up about how well he was playing! I get why they traded him, but do think it is hurting the D, but cantbe the only reason for this epic slide.
Dude, let me set the record straight here. The Super Bowl Bills were not choirboys off or on the field ... or in the locker room. They also weren't well known for what you describe as "football character", either. Just the opposite. Some wag nicknamed them "The Bickering Bills" IIRC. They were a rowdy crowd, and they got into trouble, which tended to be covered up when it happened locally unlike today. They even got into fights in the locker room ... which were reported. Numerous members of the team got drunk regularly, used drugs, and smoked frequently, including during the season.
McDermott and Beane didn't think Dareus had "football character" because the Buffalo Bills wanted to dump his salary. They had been trying to peddle him since well before OTAs which was before McDermott had any real opportunity to judge Dareus first hand and before Beane was even hired. McDermott apparently decided back in March that Zach Brown, Mike Gillislee, Stephon Gilmore, Marquise Goodwin, and Robert Woods all either lacked the skill sets he wanted or weren't willing to buy into his system, too. Such an astute talent and character evaluator, he doesn't even have to work with them to know they're not what he wants.
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1 hour ago, PABillsfan23 said:
17 more maybe?
Probably if McDermott and Beane get the five years their fanboys insist they deserve.
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8 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:
McDermott had his shot at The Guy at #10, and passed for a corner.
Now, now, you can't go blaming McDermott for THAT. He had good reasons for having Whaley trade back to the end of the first round:
- he needed a DB immediately since he had none more than he needed a QB for the future since he had one for now;
- he wanted to collect more draft picks for 2018 which is supposedly going to be the best QB class ever so each first round QB will come with a guarantee;
- he wanted to wait until his pal Beane from Carolina replaced Whaley so that they could implement their "vision" together.
7 hours ago, Domdab99 said:Would you have rather had Dareus or Von Miller? One is THE GUY and one is not.
THE GUY is a game-changer. A star. Someone who makes a difference and who every team covets.
Hate to rain on your parade, dude, but Miller went at #2. He wasn't on the board when the Bills picked at #3. Dareus was becoming a game changer under Jim Schwartz, and he's likely to become a game changer in Jacksonville now that he's on a team with a coach that knows how to use him.
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3 hours ago, Domdab99 said:
When was the last time the Bills had THE GUY? The guy who made a difference, the guy who was THE NFL star at his position?
The Texans have JJ Watt. The Packers have Aaron Rodgers. The Steelers have Antonio Brown. Even the Jags have up-and-coming GUYS like Jalen Ramsey and Calais Campbell. But the bIlls never seem to have that GUY, you know?
We draft Sammy Watkins to be the GUY, but nope. Marcel Dareus? Nope. We have guys like Darby and Alexander and Bryce Paup step up for one season and then they are no longer the GUY.
The last THE GUY we had was probably Bruce Smith.
The Bills don't have anyone on the roster right now who could become THE GUY. Shady is sorta THE GUY, but he's not going to be around much longer.
We need THE GUY.
The Bills don't keep their top players long enough for them to become difference makers here. Some of the best they've sent packing: Pro Bowl CB Antoine Winfield (Minnesota), Pro Bowl LG Ruben Brown (Chicago), Pro Bowl DT Pat Williams (Minnesota), future HOF LT Jason Peters (Philly), All Pro RB Marshawn Lynch (Seattle), Pro Bowl CB Stephon Gilmore (NE) ... and likely to be added to that list: WR Robert Woods (LAR), WR Sammy Watkins (LAR), Pro Bowl DT Marcell Dareus (Jax), CB Ronald Darby (Philly). Certainly Peters and Lynch went on to become "the guys" for their respective teams.
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43 minutes ago, snamsnoops said:
really start a topic with this question.................................................... wow
It's the same Mike Williams we drafted when Donahoe was here. He lost some weight n changed positions!
Amazing!
And apparently discovered the Fountain of Youth ...
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45 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
I have. Being dispirited because you're getting your butt kicked does not equal quitting. These guys all know other teams are watching and that quitting affects their future job prospects.
You're denying that the concept of professional athletes "quitting" exists. As fadingpain noted, it's been documented that it does. You're taking the literal meaning of "quitting" and assuming athletes just decide they're going to slack off because there's nothing to play for. That's generally not how it works.
Teams "quit" on coaches because several players at least on the team have become disillusioned with the coach, his coaching style, what his assistants are teaching, etc. Feeling that way about coaches stress out athletes because they've been conditioned to believe in their coaches, and it often affects their on field/court performance. Psychological stress can affect job performance (among other things), whether you're a teacher or an accountant or a law enforcement officer or a professional athlete, and the sufferers don't have a whole lot of control over it because they're not making conscious decisions to do x or do y.
I'm not saying that the Bills have "quit" on McDermott, but it is something that exists and can happen.
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19 minutes ago, BillsRdue said:
Peterman has done nothing. The experiment is over. I don't blame the coaches. They needed to see what they had in Peterson as they knew TT would probably not take them to the playoffs or past the wild card game. TT can not go through his progressions, but he is an escape artist and is a great runner. Peterson behind center is the type of offense the Bills wanted to run and I'm sure he looked great in practice going against our JV line with lack of pass rush, but he never had a chance with this offensive (truly offensive) line and the Chargers crushed him.
We need to overhaul the OL and having TT be a top 15-20 QB behind this line is a miracle. What boggles my mind is that Duckass and Mills are on the field. Where's Groy? Where's Miller? Anything but these two turnstiles. We need to ride out TT this year and next year and let Peterman and a 1st rd QB duke it out.
Don't trade the farm because we need to build out both lines. With a decent O-line our receivers might look like pros. Matthews and Benjamin are NFL starters. Zay will become one. We also need an RB like Kamara to give us a 1-2 punch. We need a DT to take double teams and another edge rusher. We need more LB. I'd like to see what Milano has and draft a good MLB with Preston as a backup.
There truly sad thing is that all of these holes were filled before the season and our GM let them go. Oh well. Go Bills!
I agree except for starting Peterman against the Chargers. My gut feeling is that it wasn't McDermott's decision but was ordered from above. I say this simply because football coaches and players don't like to lose, although they'll tolerate it at the end of the season if the record won't impact whether they go to the playoffs or where they're seeded. "I think I'll start my low round rookie QB against a 3-6 team just to see if he might make a pro QB" said no NFL coach ever with his team sitting on a 5-4 record and holding a playoff spot.
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2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:
They havent quit. They just are not very good and the TOs that have been bailing them out have dried up
This.
"Buying into" the HC's "system" doesn't trump a lack of talent despite the manure the Bills FO and coaching staff have attempted, with some success, to feed to fans.
2 hours ago, mjt328 said:1. It can't just be offensive coordinators "figuring us out." This team literally went from one of the NFL's elite during the first 6-7 games, to historically bad over the last 3 weeks. I'm a big believer in strategy and game planning. But things don't flip THAT much by simply spotting tendencies on film.
2. It can't just be the loss of Marcel Dareus decreasing our talent on the D-Line. For starters, Dareus wasn't playing a high percentage of snaps. And most of the writers who study All-22 replays will quickly tell you that Dareus wasn't even playing well.
3. It can't just be the lack of turnovers. Although the interceptions and fumbles were HUGE boosts for helping us win those close games, it doesn't explain why our defense can't even make teams punt anymore.
4. The idea they are "tired" because the offense isn't playing well (too many 3-outs) is absolutely ridiculous. Against the Jets, Saints and Chargers, this defense has been getting gashed from the opening drive. Fatigue may be an excuse in the 4th quarter. But the Bills defense has already let up 35+ by that point.
From a fan watching from his television... I see a team that WAS aggressive and flying to the ball early in the season, but is now jogging and half-a$$ing it. I see a team that WAS showing fantastic tackling technique and gang tackling opponents, but now uses arm tackles and poor technique. I see a team that WAS quick off the snap, but is now getting blown off the ball. To me, these are all very clear signs of a team that has quit.
In my opinion, the REAL question isn't what happened (it's obvious from watching us play every Sunday). The REAL question is why they quit. Why did a team that was 5-2 and in full control of a playoff spot, decided to throw in the towel on a 1st-Year coach? Did something happen behind the scenes that hasn't been reported?
Part of me wonders if the trade of Dareus did something to the morale of this team. Unlike the Sammy Watkins/Ronald Darby trades, which actually netted high draft picks and starting caliber players in return, the Dareus trade was nothing more than a mid-season salary dump. You have to wonder if that particular trade sent a message to the other veterans. You could also question how the trade for Kelvin Benjamin was viewed in the locker room. Here you have a coach that preaches family, but seems to want everyone from the "old guard" gone and jumps at the chance to bring in guys from his old team.
Excellent post. I think that you may have nailed the real impact of the Dareus trade dead-on: it had a tremendous psychological impact on the defense far beyond what his physical presence added to the defense based on however many snaps Dareus was given. You may have also correctly assessed the impact of the Benjamin trade, too.
1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:They have not quit. They are being beat physically by more physically dominant teams. It is juvenile to think professionals just quit.
Might want to do some reading in psychology. It would open your mind.
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3 hours ago, frostbitmic said:
I'll blame Mills and Vlad on our coaching staff ... seriously, neither should be more than a backup at best.
Prescott only looks like an NFL QB when he can hand the ball off to Zeke the Freak.
on the Ducasse and Mills. Ducasse has been a bust since his days as a second round pick with the Jests. He's bounced around the league as a backup since ... until he landed in Buffalo where Dennison and Castro think he's played well as a starter. That's how low their standards are! Mills looked like he was going to develop into a decent RG until Dennison instituted his zone blocking scheme which the entire OL has struggled to master except for Ducasse.
As for Dak, he looks like a shadow of himself with Zeke and LT Tyron Smith out, but that's true of most QBs, even supposed "franchise QBs", when key parts of their offenses are missing.
41 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:For the rest of the season until?
Seems like we only needed the last line.
Until we are out.
What exactly has Nate Peterman done to deserve another shot at starting this season?
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On 11/22/2017 at 4:10 PM, JohnBonhamRocks said:
Rudolph. But must we only draft one QB?
21 hours ago, Buffalo30 said:If we got cousins, what would be the point in wasting a high draft pick on another QB? We already have a guy to develop as a potential backup. It's not like Cousins is 35, he's still fairly young
Rudolph seems to have a lot of limitations with arm strength and mobility, not a huge fan. Not really sure how any of these QBs will do in the NFL. All of them seem to have played poorly at times or have big deficiencies but Josh Allen, even though he's played with no talent, has the highest ceiling in my opinion. If he comes out, a system that doesn't ask him to do everything like we have now might be a good situation for him. His mobility and arm strength would be a nice fit. We have a few nice weapons that would be able to help him right away. I think he is unfairly judged by his stats. His team sucks. No weapons, no offensive line hasn't helped him. With a a little coaching, I think he could be a franchise QB. He's 6'5" 235. He's not a perfect prospect but nobody in this draft is. Anybody you take will be a project, why not take the one with the highest ceiling?
14 hours ago, HuSeYiN_NYC said:Idk if you watch any other teams play on Sundays or if you pay attention to our opponent's offenses when our team is on defense, but, the majority of teams we face have solid O-lines (which is why a QB like McCown looks like Joe Montana out there).
QB or no QB, we will ALWAYS fail unless the line on both sides of the ball play better plain and simple.
I'm all for getting a QB in the 1st round in next year's draft. But I hope that the next 4 picks after that are all linemen on both offense and defense.
Kyle will more than likely retire so we need his replacement, Eric Wood maybe got another solid 2 years or maybe 3 years left in him and we all know we need a RG BADLY. I personally feel like we have Glenn and Dawkins to man the left and right tackle spots but Glenn is not healthy this season and I don't think McDermott wants Dawkins on the right side.
So count me in on drafting a QB only if we fix the line.
I would agree but it's not going to happen. There aren't all that many good OL candidates so I can't see getting more than 1, and that likely won't be with one of the firsts; QB and DL are most likely.
55 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:Tyrod is not worth that kind of money, his era is over. Move on, stop wasting time and money on him.
You can't build a offensive scheme special for Tyrod while teaching a young QB to play a different one, both QBs have to play the same system to be successful IMO..
Funny how many said to keep Fitz we will never replace him while we find a QB but yet here we are with a QB just as bad while still having no franchise worthy QB in sight. Get off the dam bridges.
Who did we get who was actually better than Fitzpatrick until Taylor was signed? Certainly not Orton. If Marrone had had Fitz, the Bills probably would have been 8-8 or 9-7 in 2013 and likely would have made the playoffs in 2014. Even with Fitzpatrick's TO tendencies, Marrone would have given him the kind of support he needed -- a strong D and a decent running game -- so that he'd wouldn't have to try to win games on his own.
As for Taylor, nobody is saying to keep him forever. It makes sense to keep him for 2018 so that you can bring a rookie QB along slowly, but never fear, Taylor is due a bonus just after the start of the league year, so he will undoubtedly be released before then.
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5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
I'd like to think there's no truth to this because it would be a seriously weak case of scapegoating on their part that really didn't work as many fans and members of the media have called attention to the issues the defense has been having.
The Bills have made so many of what appear to be bizarre or contradictory decisions since they fired Ryan (no problem with that) that they seem to be taking their cues from the Keystone Cops of silent film fame. Much of what they've done seems to be irrational in a football sense.
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2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Not everyone. It's been the biggest issue on the team during the three game swoon with warning signs on the horizon prior to that.
IMO, a desire on the part of either the coaching staff or FO to distract fans from the defensive meltdowns against the Jests and Saints may very well have factored into the decision to start Peterman last week. If fans had only the defensive meltdown to consider, many more of them might start correlating that the Bills D went south along with Marcel Dareus while Jacksonville's rush D improved.
Starting Peterman when they did just doesn't smell right. That's why the national media jumped all over it, and guys like Carucci came up with lame, far-fetched explainations for it. The fact is, if the Bills were 3-6 and they started Peterman, nobody would bat an eye but they were 5-4 and sitting in a playoff position. That's what smells like dead fish that's been sitting at the end of the dock in the sun for three days, especially when Peterman played so poorly.
11 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:Milano makes mistakes too..
He's a rookie who probably makes a lot more mistakes than Humber simply because rookies tend to do that.
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1 hour ago, Comebackkid said:
According to Chris Brown this week. Part of it is talent, especially at LB. some of it is losing confidence after the Jets game. Young guys getting discouraged when they make a bad play. Not trusting each other so they are getting out of their gaps. Seems like the Bills have had real issues with mental toughness on the D since rex.
Lack of talent isn't a lack of mental toughness; it's not being fast enough, strong enough, smart enough etc. Neither is pressing/over-compensating to make up for lack of success nor attempting to cover for teammates who aren't good enough for the roles they've been assigned. It's on the coaches to put players into the best situations to succeed, and that usually requires a change in scheme and a major infusion of talent. Neither seems likely to happen.
46 minutes ago, Buddo said:Dareus's impact, isn't to be measured in snap counts. If he's in on opposition run plays that aren't successful, he's affecting their game plan.
Perhaps one of the more telling things that this team has done since he was traded, is to re-sign a bigger bodied DT, and let another one go, in an effort to do something about shoring up the middle. Actions are speaking louder than statistics, or should I say snap counts.
Even when the D was really firing with Schwartz a few years back, Dareus missed a game or two towards the end of the season, and we got run all over again, all of a sudden. He returned, iirc, and all of a sudden the run D is back performing.
There's a reason why teams pay big money to DTs with Dareus's skill set, and that's because they make life a lot easier for the players around them.
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1 hour ago, matter2003 said:
He is the real deal but two years later the team is in the same position as the Sabres are with their franchise player...namely the cellar.
What then? Its a thought nobody really talks about...all you hear is how they need this type of player...and I wholeheartedly agree.
What we don't stop and talk about is what happens if he is as good as advertised but the team still sucks? What do we do then?
This is a much more like scenario than that the Bills draft a franchise QB and everything is rainbows and unicorns all the way to the Lombardy Trophy, especially if McDermott and Beane are still around.
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2 hours ago, grb said:
There's an ESPN article today on the latest feel-good story, Case Keenum, and what it means about choosing qbs. It's points are :
- Coaching matters : Comparing the fortunes of Keenum & Golf with old and new coaching
- Investing money in infrastructure is probably better than throwing money at a prayer of a passer : This is aimed primarily at picking up a qb on the open market, but emphasizes Keenum is succeeding because he's in a situation to succeed.
- If you're going to take a flier on a quarterback, don't look for the same sort of prototype you're chasing with the first overall pick : Once you're out of the First Round, you need to look beyond your checklist of stud quarterback requirements and consider more intangibles.
- The idea there aren't 32 good NFL quarterbacks is overstated : Money quote : "Instead of saying that there aren't 32 good quarterbacks to go around, we should be saying that there aren't 32 good situations for quarterbacks at any given time in the NFL"
Thanks for the article.
2 hours ago, Jerome007 said:Of course drafting in the 1st round improves your chances, and the sooner you pick the better. But there has been many 1st round QB busts, and there are exceptions like Brady, etc.
My point remains the same: you don't let go of the best QB on your roster unless someone beats him to get the spot. Not BEFORE someone beats him to get the spot, as that may not happen for years! If dratfting franchise QB was easy, 25+ teams would have one.
Yes, but Peterman isn't a smaller QB like Taylor or a skinny (he might have been called slight) kid like Tom Brady was when he was drafted or a kid that got caught up in some kind of power struggle at his school like Tony Romo who wasn't even drafted. Being "pro ready"" is not a good reason to gamble on a fifth round QB because a team should be drafting for potential.
I totally agree that it would be wisest for the Bills to keep Taylor in 2018, but I just don't see it happening. Whether they get rid of him to save money or to placate the anti-Taylor contingent of vociferous fans or to pave the way for a yet-to-be-drafted first round QB, he's history just like Fitzpatrick was in 2013. It will undoubtedly be better for Tyrod. I doubt it will be better for the Bills or their fans in 2018 but then it's most definitely "the Bills way".
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5 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:
Nicely put. It was an historically bad game, and he is a 5th round pick. So I'm far from convinced on anything. But yeah, people complain about not drafting QBs and after a half game want him gone WTH
And to the "anti-Tyrod" crowd. Again all of us would want a better QB. But letting him go doesn't make the "franchise one" appear!!! I'm sure we all also hope for a better LB, a superb pass rusher, a dominant LT and on and on. Just sending someone packing doesn't cure it all!
Ummm... when fans say "draft a QB", they've mean in the first round not in the fifth. In this day and age, QBs who fall below the second round generally lack significant physical attributes to be NFL QBs, primarily NFL arm and/or height. Both Russell Wilson and Kirk Cousins have NFL arms, but Wilson is short and Cousins is slight (small framed) so they were both considered risks. If they had been more prototypical size, they'd have both gone in the first. Even going to unimportant football schools doesn't necessarily mean real prospects can hide from the scouts: Joe Flacco is from Delaware and Carson Wentz from North Dakota State.
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1 hour ago, CodeMonkey said:
As of today, fivethirtyeight.com sees the Bills with:
a 22% chance of beating the chiefs
a 24% chance of beating the pats at home
a 66% chance of beating the colts
a 66% chance of beating the fish at home
a 13% chance of beating the pats away
a 48% chance of beating the fish awayIf it's correct (and it has called 61% of all games correctly this season so far), that puts the Bills at 7-9 for the season.
But that last game it sees as pretty much a coin flip so it thinks 8-8 is also a good possibility.
Have they actually watched the Bills play the last three games, especially on defense?
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1 minute ago, BobChalmers said:
Can our new GM have his FIRST DRAFT before we complain about his work?
Wow, just wow!
And he's not going to get the players for positions McDermott wants just like Whaley did? Get a clue: Beane is not an independent GM here. He's not only subservient to higher ups in the FO, he's subservient to the HC. That's what a figurehead is.
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1 hour ago, Shotgunner said:
I'm blind or intentionally argumentative? No. I'm being sensible. You say he traded speed for this and that, that's an abridged version. All the trading in draft, preseason, and season accrued draft picks. The players are just so we have someone to roster this year, and since the draft picks have not even been used yet, you are still way too early on judging the job. It's the plan, and you have to let it play out before you pretend to already know the outcome.
I'm not just some McD fanboy, and I have concerns, but realize that judging it now is foolhardy. We let him tear down the roster, and that is already done, so now we have to allow him to rebuild and spend all that draft capital. We absolutely need to let this play out rather than punctuate his tenure because we weren't patient enough to give him a legitimate chance.
I don't care who you are, you can't judge "roster building" in less than a year. You just can't.
I was willing to give McDermott and Beane the benefit of the doubt early on although I remained skeptical of what they claimed they were doing. I have always viewed Beane as a figurehead GM who marches to orders delivered by Russ Brandon or one of his bean counter surrogates just like Whaley did. Some posters get really bent out of shape when I say many of the Bills roster moves are motivated by cutting player payroll but making personnel moves to save real $ -- NOT necessarily cap $ -- has been a recurring theme on Bills teams for the entire length of the drought. The Bills have spent the last seventeen years developing some pretty good players through the draft and as UDFAs and then letting them walk away in FA rather than pay them or getting skinned in trades because of their desperation to get rid of players. That was standard operating procedure under Wilson's ownership and it seems to be continuing exactly the same under the Pegulas: draft a first round DB -- develop him into a Pro Bowler -- let him walk in FA -- draft another first round DB to take his place.
Plain and simple, I don't think this is "roster building" with the purpose of building a winning team in the future but simply to insure that the bottom line stays healthy. That's very cynical, but I've been a Bills fan since 1963, so I can't help myself. It's just the same manure that OBD has been shoveling and Bills have been accepting for 17 years. When the Bills draft their "future franchise QB" in the first round in 2018, the fans will get all excited and run to buy/renew their season tix ... just like they did when the Bills signed Terrell Owens in 2009 and Mario Williams in 2012.
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53 minutes ago, BobChalmers said:
I think it's pretty likely Peterman will get a few (1-3) more starts this year. Tyrod and the Bills need at least a win against KC or NE to remain at all in the playoff conversation.
AND highly probable he will start the 2018 season for the Bills.
How he does in his other chances this season and how the draft falls next year will determine whether he's starting long-term or just as a placeholder for the rookie they get.
What makes you say that? Peterman has shown nothing to indicate that he's starting QB material. That he looked decent against the Saints 2nd and 3rd stringers only proves that he can play against scrubs. His supposed readiness for the NFL seems to have been the product of the wishful thinking of the most vociferous Tyrod Taylor haters. It looks to me that nobody on the Bills coaching staff bothered much with Peterman at all since TC until McDermott decided he'd start last Sunday. Then he was crammed full of plays for a game plan totally unsuitable for a rookie QB in his first start ... and fed to the wolves. The #2 QB on the roster -- the starter's backup -- should at least get a smidgen of the coaching staff's attention, and if the Bills truly thought he was a possible future starter, one would think that some coach would work with him!
But hey, McDermott is a coaching genius and Beane is a great GM and they've got this great plan to win a Super Bowl so all us dumb stupid fans who keep pointing out that the emperors are strutting around bare-arsed should just shut up and find other teams to support.
I have no doubt that Taylor is gone before next season but if the Bills don't draft a QB in the first or second round, then they'll bring in another veteran as a starter.
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23 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
See the Tampa Bay Game this year.
Don't confuse the haters with facts FCOL!
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24 minutes ago, jrober38 said:
Between 0 and 2. The defense is a train wreck, but the Colts and Dolphins are really bad teams. Should win 1 or 2 of those games, but I won't be surprised if we lose out.
Those teams may be bad but they seem to be trying to win. I'm not sure that that's true of the Bills any more although earlier in the season they certainly did. A team that expects to get whipped, gets whipped, and I think that's where the Bills are. IMO, the Dareus trade had a huge psychologically negative impact on the Bills D, far more than missing his physical presence. Benching Taylor may have had a lesser though similar effect on the offense.
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Since a poster seemed to think the Bills got so much for the guys who are gone, I thought I'd check them out ... what the Bills got and didn't get. Thanks to the OP for his work on the original list. The reality is that the guys who weren't busts (and the Bills are about average on busts with the rest of the NFL) mostly left in FA and the Bills got nothing for them. IMO, they only had 2 positive trades: Sheppard for Hughes and Alonso for McCoy.
Keep in mind that these are only draft picks from rounds 1-3 and not other good/decent players that the Bills acquired and then sent packing like Zach Brown, Mike Gillislee, Chris Hogan, Nigel Bradham, and many others making themselves useful on likely playoff teams.
2009 1 Aaron Maybin – GONE - BUST
2009 1 Eric Wood – Starter
2009 2 Jairus Byrd – GONE
2009 2 Andy Levitre – GONE - ATLANTA - starter2010 1 C.J. Spiller – GONE - retired I think
2010 2 Torell Troup – GONE - injury
2010 3 Alex Carrington – GONE2011 1 Marcell Dareus – GONE - JAX - 2018 6th round pick, possibly 5th (late)
2011 2 Aaron Williams – GONE - injury
2011 3 Kelvin Sheppard – GONE - Jerry Hughes2012 1 Stephon Gilmore – GONE - NE - starter
2012 2 Cordy Glenn – Starter
2012 3 T.J. Graham – GONE - BUST2013 1 EJ Manuel – GONE - BUST - OAKLAND
2013 2 Robert Woods – GONE - LAR - starter
2013 2 Kiko Alonso – GONE - MIAMI - starter - Shady McCoy
2013 3 Marquise Goodwin – GONE - 49ERS - starter2014 1 Sammy Watkins – GONE - LAR - starter - 2018 2nd round pick (late) + EJ Gaines
2014 2 Cyrus Kouandjio – GONE - back up -- not sure what team
2014 3 Preston Brown – Starter2015 1 NONE
2015 2 Ronald Darby – GONE - PHILLY -starter, out with injury until last week when he had an INT - Jordan Matthews
2015 3 John Miller – NOT EVEN ACTIVE - he's still on the Bills; he backs up Vlad Ducasse at LG2016 1 Shaq Lawson – Starter
2016 2 Reggie Ragland – GONE -KC 2019 4th
2016 3 Adolphus Washington – Starter
The DEFENSE has simply quit - my question is WHY?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted
The real problem with the Bills has been and continues to be that the real control of decisions about chosing players, keeping players, paying players, and apparently even playing players seems to reside higher up the food chain that Beane or McDermott. That's been the case since Donahoe was fired in 2005, and that didn't change much when the Pegulas took over. Beane is a largely a figurehead who is subservient to both his bosses at OBD and to McDermott on player matters just as Whaley was to his coaches. Nix and Gailey were good ol' boys together who went back decades IIRC.
Nothing is really going to change on the Bills until/unless they have independent leadership -- with real power and only answerable to the owners -- from a "football guy" as was proposed to have Polian oversee the team. As long as GM and HC are saddled with putting the interests of accountants and marketers ahead of winning, the Bills are going to wallow in the same "Pit of Misery" they been in for the last decade or so.