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29 minutes ago, joesixpack said:
Oh go to hell.
Awwwww ... the truth hurts and ol' joesixpack doesn't want to be reminded of it.
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On 12/24/2017 at 11:40 PM, Stank_Nasty said:
Mariota is having an awful year. He has more ints than tds and has less tds than Taylor. Just an FYI.
Yes, but he was a first round pick so he must be better than Taylor. Too many of these Taylor bashers don't actually look at how the QBs actually play but only at their draft order and reputations. Many others only look at their numbers which are often inflated by playing in pass heavy offensive systems.
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I think it might be a case of Kraft sabotaging the Pats future rather than Belichick doing the deed. As the rumors went after the Garoppolo trade, Brady complained to Kraft that he felt that Belichick was going to trade him and go with Garoppolo, which prompted Kraft to insist on getting rid of Garoppolo. That would explain both why a new deal with Garoppolo fell through and why the Pats were willing to part with him for less than teams had offered earlier. It's not the only scenario that would explain both results but it also explains the anomaly for a football team would keep a forty-year-old QB and send the bright young prospect packing -- unless the team felt the bright young prospect wasn't going to mature into a starter (although if they were trying to negotiate a deal with Garoppolo, that kind of negates that idea). Keep in mind that the last time Belichick faced this choice, in 2002, he sent Bledsoe, who was in his early thirties at the time, to the Bills and kept Brady when it was still debatable how good Brady would be ... so Brady might have some reason to be concerned.
2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:I agree but you just don't trade your HOF QB unless he is shot and then you pay him off to retire. However Brady is still playing great and trading him at this point is foolish even if he is 90 years old. They will just draft another QB and he will probably be great in their system too.
Right. Because the Pats have been finding and developing great QBs regularly since they drafted Brady.
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1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Since when does past considerations dictate current value? Russel Wilson was a 3rd round draft pick, you think after earning the starting job as a rookie and half way through his rookie performance he was still only going to carry a 3rd round pick value?
Jimmy had very impressive showings in his limited time on the field in NE...he followed that up by taking a WINLESS team and going 3-0 despite having very little time to learn the system and build timing and rapport with the offense. He has 2 300 yard games in that span too.
You are literally deslusional if you think his value is anywhere near the 2nd round pick. And it also isn't about what his market value is, its about whether or not SF would trade him. They will NOT be trading him and sure as hell not trading him 2 picks likely in the bottom third of the first round of a draft. There is not a single prospect in this draft more promising than Jimmy G right now. You DONT trade away talented young QB's who look legit when you don't have a QB.
So there is literally a ZERO percent chance that anyone will offer SF enough to trade Jimmy at this point, and they sure as hell won't do it for the 2 first rounders we have.
Point 1: Garoppolo has made 5 starts in his career.
Point 2: Wilson wasn't worth 2 first rounders until he took the Seahawks to the SB ... and won it.
Maybe Garoppolo is the next Aaron Rodgers but he hasn't proven anything yet. The history of the NFL is littered with crappy QBs who managed to look good for 5 or 6 games. Both Colin Kaepernick and Brock Osweiler come to mind. Trent Edwards looked like "the real deal" for several games at the beginning of the 2008 season, too.
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1 hour ago, What a Tuel said:
How is there 0% chance Garoppalo is available for 2 1st rounders? I mean yeah, he was traded to the 49ers, and the 49ers won't give him up after doing that, but he went for a 2nd round pick, and now he is suddenly worth 2 1st rounders?
Three good games = HOF ... apparently.
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Teams don't give up franchise QBs unless they believe that franchise QB is hurt or otherwise compromised. Occasionally, they might get lucky enough to have an older franchise QB and a younger prospect, and might let the older one go. San Diego did that with Brees vs Rivers, and I think they made a mistake; Rivers never plays clutch in big games. Green Bay did that with Favre vs Rodgers, and they hit the proverbial jackpot. SF did that with Smith vs Kaepernick and crashed and burned.
NE has made a fortune in draft picks trading their backup QBs because teams seem to continue to believe that NE finds "diamonds in the rough" because they found Brady in the 6th round. The truth is that they got lucky and won the lottery. None of the QBs the Pats have drafted since Brady have been close to being franchise QBs although Matt Cassel had a decent career. If Garoppolo was so good, why didn't NE keep him and let Brady leave? For that reason alone, I wouldn't have traded for Garoppolo in the first place, and if San Fran now wanted to trade Garoppolo after trading for him and re-signing him, I wouldn't go near him because I would think that they know that he's a dud.
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2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:
Ya we only faced the AFC East 4 times so far. And scoring D is the only stat that means anything to me as if they keep teams under 20 the Pats win.
That said Birtles sucks, he is beyond bad and our secondary is pretty damn good it's our LBers who are weak right now. They are the typical Pats D bend but don't break. Which is what is needed with the lack of talent up front.
I think Jax is exactly the kind of team that can beat the Pats in the playoffs because they've got the D to stifle Brady by constantly hurrying and hitting him even if they don't actually sack him plus they have an excellent running game, and they've significantly improved their passing game because of improved QB play. They can stop a lot of NE's offense but I'm not sure that the Pats are up to stopping them, especially their running game.
1 hour ago, xsoldier54 said:They won't make it past the first round of the playoffs. Marone's decision to take an assistant coaching position was a direct act of mutiny against the previous HC. He knew he would get his shot and he simply lucked into a good situation by being sneaky. They still are not that good. They will lose their first playoff game.
The stench of sour grapes is strong in this one.
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7 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:
as expected....I'd put Jameis above Bortles, though.
Have you watched them play this season, especially recently? Bortles has improved immensely while Winston seems to play "streaky" good or bad much like Eli Manning. Winston's decision making hasn't improved at all IMO.
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15 hours ago, kdiggz said:
not unless Bortles has some kind of Flacco type postseason where he gets on a hot streak. but they are a QB away from winning it all. if they somehow got Eli in the postseason then put them down as the AFC favorite
Early in the season, I pretty much thought like you do, but Bortles has been playing pretty well since about mid-season, and has been even better the last three games or so. I don't know if the proverbial light has turned on or if he's decided he'd rather be an NFL QB than a party boy or if Marrone is some kind of "QB whisperer", but he seems to be more than competent. I would definitely take him over either Winston or Mariota at this point as both of those guys seem to be trending down rather than improving.
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3 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:
You are being too generous. Mastery may come later, but by the second year if a WR from the first 3 rounds isnt showing more than a modicum of competency, it is highly unlikely he will ever be able to turn it around.
I think Jones was pushed to start too soon and without good mentors, and maybe not really good coaching, either. With Woods and Goodwin tearing it up on the Left Coast, it makes the kid look even worse. He needs to make very significant improvement by early next season or calling him a bust is fair. He really ought to be showing better than he is by now.
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1 hour ago, Klaista2k said:
Why would the stadium only hold 67,000?
And what does east of Buffalo mean? What's east of Buffalo?
Well, just about every suburb except the Tonawandas and Evans and Angola are "east" of Buffalo, from Amherst/Clarence which are northeast to Hamburg/OP which are SE. Cheektowaga, Lancaster, and Elma are all basically east. Even Alden.
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44 minutes ago, Bill Murray said:
TT wont get in this year. Brady, Big Ben, and Rivers / Alex Smith. Then you have the next group which includes McCown, Bortles(?), Mariota(?) Flacco(?) and Tyrod. I think this year is tough even if both Brady and Big Ben drop.
Bortles had a rocky start but he's been playing well since about mid-season -- and apparently getting even better the last two or three games. Maybe he's decided he really wants an NFL career rather than be a party boy. I think McCown might make it as a sentimental choice. He certainly played better than anybody thought he would. Mariota just hasn't played well most of the season. If Tennessee didn't have that stout D, they'd be a 4-5 win team if they had to depend upon their supposed franchise QB. Flacco also hasn't played well. He's really shortened his game down this year, probably because of the problems the Ravens have had with their OL.
I think Bortles and McCown get added althought McCown won't be able to play because of injury.
49 minutes ago, Bill Murray said:btw, looking at last year it seems 3 RBs make it...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Pro_Bowl
...Also, dont look now but Marquise Goodwin is 6th in the NFC in receiving yards, while robert woods also has had a very strong year. Zach Brown on pace to exceed last years tackle total. They all could make it as alternates, do they count?
Only if you count Pro Bowlers whom the Bills sent packing.
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19 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:
Sadly, this season will be known more for the disaster it is 3-4 years down the road. The increasing number of excellent college players is slipping dramatically with each meaningless win in a Draft year where we’ve garnered so many high pics at such a great cost. ‘The Process’ is pure Fools Gold. We simply aren’t talented enough to be considered contending, and now we likely won’t be for a few more years either. QB, DE, DL, OL, RB & WR need upgrades and more than a few players played their last Home Game yesterday. Our wins this year were all unnecessarily close and gifted with multiple T/O’s and ridiculously long FG’s. Our losses? No T/Os and blown out of stadiums.
Even if we somehow receive a holiday miracle to break the 17 year streak for one more hour, we’re in worse shape talent wise than we were before ‘the Process’ started shredding the roster. I’ll go on record as saying we won’t make the playoffs and the result of this tease will negatively impact the team for years to come.
Another day, another "Oh, woe is me! Since the Bills aren't going to win the Super Bowl, they shouldn't win any games so that they can always go 0-16 and get the #1 pick in the next draft!" post. While I agree that the Bills are worse off talent wise than they were in 2016, that's not really on McDermott. The "process" of shedding talented players rather than pay them market rate has been something that the Bills FO has been doing for the entire length of the playoff drought ... and likely since they fired Bill Polian 25 years ago. It appears to be continuing despite the change in ownership. McDermott, for his part, seems to be a pretty decent HC who does a lot with what he's got. My biggest gripe about him is that he needs to replace Dennison with a better OC who is more willing to create an offense that fits his personnel.
The Bills are currently 8-6 and are holding the first wild card slot a week before Christmas. Even if they lose to the Pats, they could still make the playoffs if they beat the Carp and get some help (and not necessarily implausible help, either). How does that make even one of their wins "meaningless", OP? As other posters have noted in another thread, if the Bills miss the playoffs, what it will do is make at least 2 or 3 of their losses even more frustrating. It's been a dozen years (2004) since the Bills have been legitimately in the playoff hunt this late in the season.
Here's to the Pats playing as flat in Foxboro Sunday as they did in Miami two weeks ago ... and to Cutler being as much the space cadet he's usually been for most of his career.
10-6 and missing the playoffs on a tie breaker would suck, but it would be the first time that the Bills got 10 wins in this century. It could NEVER suck as much as going 0-16 or 2-14 or 3-13.
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11 hours ago, McBean said:
Zay has definitely struggled a bit this season. With that being said, he’s a rookie and will get better. Not worried about him.
I'm not going to label him a bust now only because it frequently takes 3 years for WRs to master the pro game.
Ideally, Jones would have had a good veteran WR to watch and help him out early on. Who did he have? Watkins was gone after the first preseason game. Matthews was hurt after his first practice. Benjamin didn't arrive until almost Halloween, and he's been mostly hurt. Thomas didn't arrive until the season had started, and he was signed as a FA. The other Bills WRs weren't NFL caliber WRs so how could they give him many pointers?
FTR, should Jones really have been drafted as high as he was or was this ANOTHER case of the Bills drafting a rookie to be "just as good but cheaper" than a good veteran they let walk away because they didn't want to pay him market rate ... and getting bitten in the arse once again? Only time will tell ...
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49 minutes ago, GreggTX said:
I think we have been playing over our heads. We just don't have enough talent on this roster top to bottom. Too many holes. No franchise QB yet. No pass rush. Front 7 can't stop the run. The list goes on. Fortunately, we're loaded for draft weekend.
I agree with the idea that the Bills are playing over their heads because they aren't talented, but this appears to be one of those years where coaching and effort can even the odds considerably, especially in the AFC. For all the Bills problems on the defensive side, they seem to have regained their ability to tighten up considerably in the red zone. I wish I had more confidence in Dennison's offensive mind set because he continues to go into turtle mode whenever the Bills get a lead (see KC and Miami games).
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11 hours ago, Real McCoy said:
Sloppy Rex Legacy carries on? Maybe, he used to do shots n lines with Mo and Dareus? DL/DT fetish?????
"it was a late last night Marcel at that strip joint, you can be late tomorrow, you can eat some pizza n wings in meetings tomorrow as well, just this time though"
Seriously though, we dump (confused) Dareus for basically nothing and now fans want to bring Mo here who is 2X worse? Cmon, Bills fans wake the ^#*%$ up..... I want absolutely nothing to do with this guy. He is the epitome of what locker room cancer is.
Arfffffffffffffffff
But because Wilkerson will be cheaper, Bills fans will love him.
5 hours ago, NewDayBills said:DT is not a position I'd like to see us spend a lot of money on. I think DTs can be had in the 4th round and even later than that. I've seen too many DTs get paid millions and then they get soft and lazy and don't want to work again. I'd rather take that 10 million or whatever it is and sign 3 hungry DTs to prove it deals.
Right. I bet you don't like spending money on OTs either.
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Another day, another day "we have to draft a QB in the first round so he can take us to the playoffs" thread from the OP. He doesn't care who the Bills draft just as long as he's a QB and they take him in the first round. How'd that work the last two times the Bills tried that???
The only thing that drafting a QB in the first round guarantees is that the team will be committed to him for at least four years unless he's a J'Marcus Russell or Johnny Manziel style bust, so they won't be drafting another first or even second round QB if a better prospect comes along during that time. The Bills got bitten in their arses for drafting both Losman and Manuel higher than they should have been drafted.
Even if a first round -- top 5 pick even -- turns out to be a great QB, that's no guarantee that the team will make and/or win playoff games. The OP uses Andy Dalton who has been a decent, even Pro Bowl, QB at times in his career but conveniently ignores Phillip Rivers. The Chargers have won exactly 1 more playoff game than the Bills since Rivers became their starter in 2006, and they've made the playoffs only once in the last eight years.
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2 hours ago, joesixpack said:
We have a starting LT already. A younger, cheaper, and healthier one.
Yeah, but he's not necessarily BETTER. Dawkins has played well as a rookie but that doesn't mean that he's going to continue to develop and improve. Lots of rookies don't, and what's "good" for a rookie isn't all that good for a three or four year veteran. If he doesn't, then he'll end up a mediocre LT at best, which means that whoever is the Bills QB in the future will be getting pummeled unnecessarily ... because the Bills were once again too cheap to keep their own talent.
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3 hours ago, 8-8 Forever? said:
I for one would rather go pay Kirk Cousins, but if I have to , I'll trade both my firsts and another high 2018 pick to get Darnold or whoever is on the top of the QB draft board for the Bills. But I do not want to part with my 2019 #1 pick, which I believe they will need to do if they end up 9-7 and have to move up 15 or 20 spots. So I don't say "suck for Sam" just "slide for Sam". In a month this season will be forgotten. Am I right?
No, you're not right. Get a clue, "whoever is on the top of the QB draft board" is going to be gone by the time the Bills draft because the teams that will be drafting at the top of the first round almost all need QBs (San Fran and Washington (or the team that signs Cousins) may not) so they aren't going to trade out of the top spots. Trading up for any QB who is not the consensus #1 pick has only worked out once in the last 20 years IIRC ... in 2016 when Philadelphia took Wentz.
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10 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:
The Carpies also beat the Pats at home in 2007 for their only win in a 1-15 season. The Carp may look like a great team against the Pats but they usually revert to form -- good or bad -- for the rest of the NFL. This year, their form's been bad.
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On 12/12/2017 at 6:45 PM, uticaclub said:
It comes down to QB play. Sadly, Jay Cutler is better than any of our QBs and Jay Cutler sucks.
Well, that may be true in general, but he looked like a pro bowler against the Pats. NE played as flat as I've ever seen that team play except for maybe the Miami game back in 2007 when the Carp came in winless (that was the year they went 1-15), and the Pats were on a roll --- and got their butts handed to them by the Fish.
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9 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:
I don't want McDermott making final calls he has a lot Dick Jouron in him
My observation was only in relation to the assertion about Beane being "the smartest guy in the room", and I'll stand by it. Since we don't even know exactly what Beane's actual responsibilities are for player personnel decisions, annointing him as some kind of "genius" is nonsense. He dealt primarily with ordinary personnel decisions (job descriptions, wages, benefits, etc) rather than with decisions about which players to acquire, release or retain during most of his time in Carolina, so McDermott may very well have better player evaluation skills. IMO, Beane is the same kind of GM that Whaley was: subservient to the higher ups in the Bills FO and to McDermott.
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1 hour ago, zow2 said:
Agreed. Beane is the smartest guy in the room. He's the guy I want making decisions on how to build this team.
How do you know this? He's never been responsible for making player personnel decisions before. There's a big difference between being an assist and being the guy in charge. The 2 big player personnel moves that can be attributed to him in Buffalo were the Watkins and Benjamin trades, neither of which suggests he's close to being "the smartest guy in the room". Watkins has not only stayed healthy in LA but he's repeatedly helped insure that that 2nd rounder the Bills got for him will be at the end of the 2nd round not at the beginning. Benjamin has a history of knee problems, was hurt when the Bills traded for him, and has been hurt most of the time he's been here.
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If the Bills feel that Glenn's injury is going to be "chronic", why is he still on the active roster? Why isn't he on IR and rehabbing so he can get as healthy as possible so that the Bills could trade him -- if they're actually interested in trading him? As others have noted, Glenn was unlikely to pass a physical back in October because he wasn't playing much then because of his injuries. Just because the Bills traded for an injured player (Benjamin) doesn't mean that Seattle would have done the same.
Moreover, Glenn's injury is NOT a single injury IIRC but apparently at least two separate injuries, one to each foot/ankle. That does not necessarily mean that one or both are "chronic", and AFAIK, the Bills have not said publicly and explicitly what his injuries are (teams never do). Foot/ankle injuries in athletes are always problematical and tend to take a long time to heal whether surgery is invovled or not.
IMO the sum and substance of the OP's "inside information" seems to be little more than a rehash of a lot of opinions floated on this MB and not real "inside information" at all. If the OP truly has a "source", then that "source" is leading him on. For example, the OP's claims about disagreement between Bean and McDermott about cutting "marginal" players for compensatory picks and Beane being worried about Glenn's "huge cap hit" sounds like the BS that was constantly raised on this MB (and probably others, too) earlier in the fall. It just doesn't ring true, even for a dysfunctional organization like the Bills have been for this entire century.
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