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IIRC, Zay looked pretty good in preseason but couldn't catch a cold in the regular season, so I'm not jumping on his bandwagon until he starts producing when the games actually count.
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15 hours ago, hemma said:
With two 1st rounders facing off, there will be a lot of press coverage.
Some of the reporters may even actually watch the game.
It's getting lots of hype on NFL network, so there's going to be a big national audience.
7 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:Baker Mayfield is going to light us up lol
If he's playing with their 2s vs our 2s, probably. I think Allen could have a good outing against their 2s on defense but our 2s on offense may not be good enough.
3 hours ago, Jerome007 said:I watched Mayfield a bit and he impressed me. He looked like a vet out there. He looked NFL ready already. And I sure want to see Allen perform again! And I'm sure Bills D players want a chance to sack TT
Agreed. He looked better than lots of teams veteran backups, most notably Paxton Lynch.
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14 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
Pardon the crassness of this post
The only losers are the ones who actually think that there are winners and losers after 1 preseason game.
Tell that to Derrius Guice, the Redskins, and their fans.
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6 hours ago, Pbomb said:
The vikings gave up a 1st for bradford a few years back when bridgewater went down. You never know how desperate some teams might get when their starter goes down
Bradford was a proven starter. He still is. Peterman played well in a couple of series in the first preseason game ... he also played decently in the preseason as a rookie and then screwed the pooch when he got his opportunity to start in the regular season. I don't think the Bills will get much for Peterman even if he shines in preseason.
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7 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said:
I'm afraid this is less about Kelly and more about how bad Lynch is
I agree. I watched the replay of the game. Lynch's performance was easily the worst one by a QB that I saw among the first preseason games. One of the Denver announcers said that he hadn't developed at all, but his performance really wasn't even acceptable for a rookie QB much less a third year veteran. Lynch doesn't seem to have a future even as a backup.
Kelly looked really good, but he followed Lynch which made him look even better.
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2 hours ago, MURPHD6 said:
Would you be motivated to play for the Cleveland Browns if you were their #1 pick at reciever after watching them pass on Carson Wentz?
Isn't your statement a perfect example of a "sense of entitlement" ....justifying why some idiot throws away a rare career opportunity simply because the specific job situation doesn't meet his standards?
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3 hours ago, eball said:
Umm, probably not. Have you seen the Bills' WR room?
My thought exactly. He'll stick with the Bills for 2018 simply because we don't have anybody better than him ... although if the Bills scour the waiver wire after final roster cut down, that may not remain true.
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5 hours ago, MURPHD6 said:
Referring to a player as being entitled is just fancy way of blaming them for poor coaching and stupid personnel decisions.
Right-o. Good coaching fixes everything. So, why isn't Dareus still on the Bills?
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I think Allen's accuracy is decent enough. Certainly it doesn't appear to be terminal to his becoming a franchise QB if he can master all the other stuff he needs to master, and it's that other "stuff" that will likely determine his fate more than his accuracy (or lack of same).
I'm more concerned that Allen demonstrate that he makes good decisions based on making the right reads as quickly as possible ... and that only comes with some experience, so it's going to take him a season or more to show if he can do it consistently.
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On 8/7/2018 at 10:43 PM, Clyde Smith said:
We are a good Quarterback away from being a top 15 scoring offense. Adding Mack, especially with how our cap is set up next year is a no-brainer. I'm sure Beane can finesse his way into getting Mack on this team, i'm a billiever.
In what alternative universe are the Bills "a good Quarterback away from being a top 15 scoring offense"? Their OL struggled last season and lost three members over the off season, none of whom were replaced by players with equivalent talent. They had 1 NFL caliber WR last season, and that's about what they've got this year. The TEs are decent. The only position group that they've upgraded on offense is RBs ... because Ivory is better than Tolbert.
Neither McCarron nor Peterman are starter material, and Allen is a rookie who is going to get dumped into a bad situation probably much sooner than he should because the other two either get hurt or suck miserably.
Keep spinning fantasies.
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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I don’t think that the Bills number is ridiculous but I also don’t think that they are the worst team in football. I think that the Jets, Colts, Dolphins and a few others could be worse. 5-11 or 6-10 wouldn’t shock me though. The OL is bad, the pass catchers bad and QBs bad (unless Allen bursts on the scene). The offense could be AWFUL. The defense should be really good. They are a year away from being good though IMO.
I think that the Bills' issue will be that the awful offense is going to kill the defense's effectiveness -- they're going to have to defend too many short fields, they're going to be on the field too much, and if the defense can't score TDs, the Bills offense isn't going to score many, so how long is the defense going to be able to hold up under the pressure of not only doing their own job but constantly trying to recover from offensive mistakes? I agree that Josh Allen is the Bills only hope for offensive respectability of any kind, but that's not going to happen this season because without an NFL caliber OL or WR corps, not only is the passing game DOA, but the running game is going to be an anemic shadow of itself because of the poor OL and no threat of a passing game.
I think getting a top 3 pick in the 2019 draft is very likely, and the #1 pick a real possibility. Getting 5 wins will be quite an accomplishment ... and I wouldn't bet more than I can afford to lose on them winning at least that many games. The Bills may not be the worst team in the NFL, but I think that they are the most unbalanced, and I think that's why they're going to lose a lot of games despite having a what appears to be a stout defense ... and that's not even factoring in injuries.
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2 hours ago, Soda Popinski said:
Cleveland....Turning 15th overall picks into 7th round conditionals since 2016
Buffalo ... Turning third overall picks into 6th round conditionals since 2017.
Buffalo ... Turning fourth overall picks into 2nd rounders since 2017.
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Maybe beating the crap out of some guy is how Coleman broke his hand not once, but twice ...
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11 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:
I was hoping for some thoughtful responses, but instead got a mouth-breather.
What's there to be "thoughtful" about? Mitchell isn't healthy enough to play. Even if I thought a one-legged WR might be faster than some of the guys currently listed as WRs for Bills, I would consider it unethical. I think the NFLPA would, too.
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7 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:
What does it appear like now?
That the Bills are still scouring the bargain table at some church rummage sale for WRs because the WRs currently on the roster are by and large not NFL caliber players.
7 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:I can see him complaining that a 7th was too high to give up.
It's not the giving up of a 7th round pick two years out that's troubling ... it's that so many TBD members believe this move is anything but a desperate attempt to cover up the Bills FO's failure to give Allen any kind of meaningful help with the passing game, and that Coleman's going to magically improve when he comes to Buffalo. How a "change of scenery" is going to improve Coleman's pass catching ability and route running, two knocks on him from his college days, seems like serious wishful thinking ... but then Bills fans have lived on that for the last two decades, so most are well trained. Did going to the Jests turn Aaron Maybin into a NFL caliber player? Nope, and this trade in no way compares to the trade that brought Hughes to the Bills, either, since both Hughes and the player he was traded for, Kelvin Sheppard, were decent enough players playing in systems where they weren't good fits. They weren't busts, just not playing up to expectations. Both went on to have success, although Hughes had much more success than Sheppard. He probably had more raw talent, too, being a first rounder while Sheppard was a fourth rounder.
My guess is that the Browns were going to cut Coleman if they couldn't trade him, and that the Bills were the only team that offered them even the equivalent of used athletic equipment for him ... Maybe if they had waited, they could have gotten him for nothing, but the Bills move smacks of desperation. If another team's bust is an upgrade, that speaks volumes about the poor quality of the Bills WR corps ... and volumes more about the quality of the Bills talent evaluation that obviously misjudged the quality of the WRs currently on the roster.
But you fanboys continue to spin your fantasies for a while ....
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4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:
Checked 1st page.
Checked 2nd page.
Checked last page.
How are people not more excited about an incredibly low risk (sounds like we lose a 5th at worst, is that right?) and incredibly high reward acquisition????
Love it!
Because he can't stay healthy and can't catch the ball, which tend to be fatal flaws for WRs.
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2 hours ago, joesixpack said:
You must be a blast at parties
Well, I'm sorry if I deal with reality rather than pretending that the Bills situation, past and present, is all rainbows and unicorns.
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36 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:
All of these guys are still playing except 2.
3 are starters.
1 started in the SB.
1 sacked our QB on the playoffs
Why did you leave out the Tredavian Nightmare?
The reason they still aren't contributing here is because Beane traded them for draft picks. Not because they aren't good.
The fact is, though, that they are NOT on the Bills even though the Bills drafted them in the first round. The Bills continue to be the NFL's premier farm team, developing top players for other teams, especially Super Bowl contenders like NE, Seattle and Philly.
Yolo used 2009-2016, so I used those same year parameters.
Being traded for a draft pick -- or allowed to walk away in FA -- seems to be the fate of virtually all the talented young players the Bills have developed since Donahoe was fired whether they were first rounders or UDFA. More than anything else, that's the reason why the Bills have made the playoffs only once in this entire century.
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On 8/2/2018 at 9:51 PM, Foreigner said:
When I said the difference again between the Pats and Bills I should have added the word organization, but I thought
that was implied and the word was not needed.
Was it really necessary to point out Tom Brady vs our QBs. The mistakes this organization has made for years and
continues to make never stops and it starts at the head down.
Our owners wife I'm sure is a very smart and sweet woman, but no one can tell me she has no influence on what
happens with the Bills. We have a GM and Coach who could not get these positions in there NFL careers. The
Coach like the previous one is a Defensive minded Coach and he has done a good job on that side of the ball,
but coming on last year and sending away Watkins, Woods and Goodwin who ALL had better years than anyone
we have at WR is why we are in our situation at WR now. And don't talk about next year. We are going to be
playing for 2018, not 2019 hopefully.
Just remember, you don't quit on talent, like the BIlls did.
Kim Pegula's gender is irrelevant to her ability to be a competent NFL owner. I don't object to a defensive minded HC. I object to a HC who seems to be the philosophical reincarnation of Dick Jauron. I object to a HC/GM who seem to treat the offense as an afterthought ... or something nasty they stepped in.
What I really object to, though, is a GM who seems to share same philosophy as Russ Brandon (the guy who hired him). IMO, that's the real problem with the Bills organization: it's still operating under Brandon's philosophy (which was Ralph Wilson's as well) that puts profits before wins. The Bills seem to still be unwilling to pay the quality young veterans they draft and develop, so the revolving door of repeatedly using high draft picks to replace young vets who leave continues and prevents the Bills from adding the pieces they need to compete with teams like the Pats. I object to a HC/GM who seem to treat the offense as an afterthought ... or something nasty they stepped in. I object to a FO that sheds talented veterans and replaces them with busts and never weres and pretends the guys they grab out of the trash are "just as good" as the solid NFLers who left.
On 8/2/2018 at 10:28 PM, The Red King said:I would like to buy Dark Souls III. I don't have the money to buy it. Next paycheck I'll have plenty of cash to get it. According to you, I should find an orifice to pull some cash out and buy it now. Don't talk to you about next paycheck! Finances don't matter! My mindset should be play now!
The Bills are up against the cap this season. There was absolute no way McBeane was going to fix all the holes on the team in one offseason. The team was a mess. The plan is simple, beef up the defense this season and try to win games leaning on it, like we did last year. Then, when the season is done, they'll go after offensive talent in the draft and free agency since they'll be out from under salary cap hell. The fact there is a salary cap invalidates your arguement. How are we supposed to pay these offensive free agents? Monopoly money? I.O.U.s? Warm smiles?
You cannot take the team McBeane inherited, with the cap hell it had, and turn it into a Super Bowl contender in a single offseason. You want to complain about them running the team into the ground? Let's check the evidence, not speculation. One season. 9-7. First playoff birth in seventeen years. Yeah, you're right, these guys are ruining our formerly mediocre club by having the audacity of making them a playoff team. They're obviously terrible at their jobs and should be replaced by Rex and Whaley immediately! ?
Bills fans ALWAYS have excuses for why the Bills can't compete. How come the Bills are supposedly up against the capAGAIN when they're NOT paying a franchise QB or a franchise edge rusher? All they have is a marquee RB and a nice pass catching TE. If they've got too much "dead cap" money on the books, then maybe the organization needs to look at how their supposed "cap expert" designs contracts ... and why they need to trade away talent veterans.
On 8/4/2018 at 3:30 AM, Foreigner said:Salary Cap or no Salary Cap, this is not a destination for free agents.
1. Most top players in the draft come from warm weather states-Florida, Alabama, Texas, California etc., not
Conn. Rhode Island, North Dakota Montana, etc. and playing in good weather they do not want to go on the
field with snow cleats, mittens, and thermal underwear.
2.Most guys want to play for a chance at the Super Bowl. This team is nowhere near it now or the future
without new management. Football people with proven track record.
3. When they get off the field these young guys (under 35) want to fun as they have money to spend.
Do they want to spend their time in the warm whether at Disney World or sitting in a bar
on Allen Street getting abused by fans.
4. New York State has the highest tax rate in the country. The practically the only free agents you will get here
can't go anywhere else or are wished up or half crippled, and why were we in cap hell. Since Bill Polian left,
who has been running things.
Enjoy the football, and I hope I am wrong but don't expect much, the next few years.
Excuse me, but this is total nonsense. The last time I looked Minnesota, Green Bay, New England, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Denver, and the New York City metro hardly qualify as "warm weather cities". Nor has New York State's supposedly "highest tax rate tax rate in the country" discouraged many multimillionaires from living in New York City and its suburbs. This is simply political propaganda used as another excuse for the Bills failure to be competitive in the NFL. Winning organizations attract FAs, not climate or attractions or taxes.
39 minutes ago, The Red King said:Well, Beane just added a WR. So tell me, what was that difference again? ?
The Bills added a bust who wasn't good enough to make the Cleveland Browns, and you're pretending they acquired an All Pro? Maybe your fellow Beane/McDermott fan boys buy that cago but not everybody is as gullible as you are.
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20 minutes ago, OCinBuffalo said:
Perhaps, but do you agree that this change has 10X the effect of changing out 1 player?
Consider: The year before Dennison we were the premier power blocking run team in the NFL, and probably of the last 10 years. If you can do power, you can own people. We did. We were the #1 rushing team in the league by design, not by default. Then, Dennison comes in last year and changes the entire run concept, for ALL of our run plays(the first 4 games), to zone blocking...because "system".
When Dennison realized his idiocy was gonna cost him his job? Presto, we start running more power plays(last 6 games).
The players we had, both individually and as a group, were not the best fit for zone. Zone is about getting to a spot first, then using that spot + body position to create holes, thus it emphasizes quickness and flexibility(like wrestling). Power is about being assigned a target, or two, lining up on them, and then: destroy, which emphasizes size and strength(like heavyweight boxing). ALL O lineman need minimums in all 4 characteristics I mentioned to make an NFL squad. It's the emphasis the scheme places on each characteristic, that makes one guy "better" than the next. Thus, a bunch of guys who are above average in all 4, but, are really big and strong(like we had 2 years ago), means you do power: every play you seek and destroy. "Coaching" that ignores their strengths and focuses on what they are only average at, for the sake of a scheme? Folly.Which kind of run concept do the Bills favor today, right now? No one has any idea. Therefore, we can't know if our players today are a better fit than the players last year. The only thing we do know: Dennison is gone and so are his silly notions about forcing players into his system, rather than forcing his system to fit the players(or making a new system entirely).
For all we know, the players we have today, right now, fit a zone scheme better than power. See the problem?
In theory, your conclusion is right on ... but except for Bodine and the rookie Teller, who have the Bills added who wasn't on the team last season? Ducasse, who simply hasn't been starter quality at any time in his 8 or 9 year career, appears to be the only guy who fit Dennison's zone scheme. The question is only partly whether Daboll is smarter than Dennison, but assuming that he is, is there any realistic hope that the 2018 OL can be even as good as the 2017 version given the drop in talent level since the Bills have essentially replaced three above average OLers with below average starters/backup players?
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2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:
Good job Cleveland lol.
If they are trading him I don't expect much here. It also means our FO is really concerned about our WRs.
Kinda late for being "really concerned" don't you think? They didn't bother drafting any WRs until the 6th and 7th rounds of 2018. It's more like they're bargain hunting at a rummage sale.
1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:They had 11 1st rd draft picks in 7 yrs between 2009-2016. NONE are still on the team. That’s almost impossible to do but they succeeded.
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1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:Holy hell. That team should be moved down to the AAF. They belong in the minor leagues until they prove themselves.
The Bills haven't done significantly better ...
2016 ... Shaq Lawson
2015 ... no first rounder
2014 ... Sammy Watkins
2013 ... EJ Manuel
2012 ... Stephon Gilmore
2011 ... Marcell Dareus
2010 ... CJ Spiller
2009 ... Aaron Maybin & Eric Wood
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23 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:
I can understand the frustration of the "they can do no wrong" garbage. However, Whaley NEVER committed to a QB in the draft (or really anywhere) like Beane has. If one were to ask most knowledgeable football professionals... they would find out selling out for a franchise QB you believe in is the EXACT gamble to take. Take the sword for a wide receiver is myopic at best and negligent at worse. Whaley is no longer here due to his selling of the farm for a wr IN A SUPER DEEP WIDE RECEIVER CLASS (which makes it infinitely worse).
Excuse me, but where is this "committment" to a "QB in the draft (or really anywhere)" with Beane or McDermott? I don't see much commitment other than to spend a fortune in draft picks to select a first round QB... and then not look to improve either his protection or targets through the draft or in FA. The Bills lost 3 solid OLers during the off season, and they've replaced none of them quality-wise. They didn't draft another offensive player until the very end of the fifth round ... not exactly the area of the draft likely to yield an OLer or WR who can step in and help out his QB as a rookie ... if ever.
It may very well be that there weren't any good OL or WR prospects available when the Bills turns came up but the Bills also have not appeared to be scouring the waiver wire, street FAs, and the other trashpiles very hard to possibly improve either their WRs or OL, and God only knows, both units could use improvement. Furthermore, if they truly had a commitment to any QB -- or to the offense period -- why did they not re-sign either Robert Woods or Marquise Goodwin when they were clearly disillusioned with Watkins.
"Commitment" to something means more than simply going out and spending resources to acquire something. It means making sure that that something that you've acquired can be successful. Sometimes, that means spending a lot more on supporting that thing than you originally spent getting it. I think NFL QBs are like that because they aren't going to be successful without an OL to protect them and WRs/TEs to catch their passes -- and RBs to give them options. IOW, a commitment to getting a franchise QB means a commitment to building a full fledged NFL offense with all the parts at least being average. That's not the Bills under McDermott/Beane. They dismantled the modestly successful offense with average or better components the Bills had under Ryan/Whaley and replaced it with a first round QB and 30-year-old RB and not too much else. It's not a commitment to offensive football at all, and it sure isn't a commitment to helping a young QB become an accomplished NFL starter.
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3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
They gave up some, maybe more than I was happy with, but not as much as some fans were clamoring for spending on the top QB.
So, I wouldn't call it too much myself at this time.
Give it a season or two and my opinion on this may change.
That was my point. Whaley's picks have already been judged, but McDermott (who may have actually been in charge of both the 2017 and 2018 drafts) and Beane's players have a grand total of one season of NFL play. Three plus years down the road, they may look like heroes or idiots but right now we don't know ... although certain TBD members post as if the Bills won the Lombardi last season when all they did is squeak into the playoff because Baltimore's pass defense had a collective brain fart in the closing minutes of the final game of the regular season.
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18 hours ago, Foreigner said:
The Pats are looking for WRs, so brought in veteran WR Eric Decker for a workout yesterday.
You would think that the Bills who did not even attempt to address perhaps the worst WR core in the league
during the off season, would have tried this. The situation with the OL, with Wood & Incognito gone, and same old,
same old Mills and Miller who are nowhere near the top of the league, helps one understand why the Bills
are picked where they are for this year. Hard for any QB to have success when teams know the top talent
to stop is McCoy.
In case you haven't noticed, any criticism of McDermott and Beane is not allowed by the TBD Fanboys.
The Bills appear to be noticeably disinterested in improving either their WRs or their OLers via the waiver wire, which is, and always has been, a common means for teams to improve weak units. The Bills have brought in numerous defensive players before TC looking for the proverbial "diamonds in the rough", so they obviously do believe in trying out FAs. It also makes their not looking at players to possibly improve their worse two units speaks volumes about the Bills priorities ... that offense doesn't matter.
OKTC recaps the 2013 preseason hype of EJ Manuel
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Actually, even if a QB looks good in"some games in the regular season", it might not mean much. Both Trent Edwards and Mark Sanchez looked pretty good as rookie QB starters. They even started out their sophomore seasons very well. Unfortunately, neither one progressed as QBs beyond where they were early in their sophomomore seasons. Most QBs who become starters early on and then fail frequently follow this pattern of looking good up to a certain point, and never getting any better.