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1 hour ago, Logic said:
It's funny.
When McDermott/Beane came in, Bills fans universally agreed that a full rebuild was needed and welcomed. Whaley/Brandon/Rex had left behind a toxic dumpster fire from top to bottom, a salary cap mess, and an awful team culture. EVERYTHING needed to be flushed. The Bills needed to start from scratch and build from the ground up. No one disputed this.
The fans -- supposedly ready for said rebuild to begin -- all said "we trust the process!". They all agreed that any rookie QB should get at least a couple years to prove himself. Most were fine with said rookie QB not even PLAYING this year. Everyone knew, also, that the team was taking their "salary cap medicine" this year, and likely wouldn't be competitive because of it.
So the season starts, our raw rookie QB looks like a raw rookie QB, and at the FIRST SIGN OF ADVERSITY in the second year of a complete rebuild, fans are jumping ship and calling for the coach to be fired.
I suppose the team making the playoffs in year 1 of McDermott's tenure accelerated the timeline in the minds of many fans. It shouldn't have. Anyone with a reasonable amount of sense could look at this roster and this astronomical amount of dead money and conclude that 2018 was all about building and growing.
For the past 18 years, the Bills franchise put on band-aid after band-aid, refusing to ever tear it all down and go through a proper rebuild. Most fans screamed from the top of their lungs that a full rebuild was needed. Finally...FINALLY...the rebuild begins, and what happens? "Waaahhhh!!! FIRE McDERMOTT! FIRE BEANE! WAHHHHHH"
Bills fans are the worst sometimes.
Oh, and one more important thing to remember: Beane/McDermott are NOT responsible for anything that happened prior to last year. So for anyone saying "we've been rebuilding for 18 years!" or talking about how they've lost patience: Too bad for you. You obviously don't get it. These guys can only control what's happening NOW, and they're trying to build a TEAM (not just a collection of talent, Whaley-style), and build it the right way. If you can't be patient enough to stick with it, then again...that's too bad for you.
Support was only "universal" for a "complete rebuild" in your own mind. Just because you jumped on the McDermott/Beane clownwagon from Day 1 and dismissed the opinions of many other fans who were skeptical or unsure about the current regime as being "stupid" or "negative" or "unrealistic" doesn't mean that they didn't exist. Get a clue. Not EVERYONE was on board with the BS that McDermott and Beane have been shoveling in the name of "planning for the future". Maybe you should check out the TSW threads on the Watson and Dareus trades. You'll find plenty of doubters in those threads, so don't even try to pretend that fan discontent with the McDermott/Beane clownshow is simply a response to the Bills being totally uncompetitive in 3 of their first 4 games, although there's that, too.
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9 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:
Did we not go to the playoffs last year??
Why are so many acting like petulant chlidren??
Last year was used to get our QB, mission accomplished.
This year we're in the process of demolition and restocking this spring, right on track. Let's exercise some patience and let them build a perennial contender and not a flash in the pan.
Stuff the "patience" bull manure where the sun don't shine. McDermott is a Jauron clone and Beane is his Stepandfetchit. If you think I want them gone, you're right and I make no bones about it. McDermott may be okay as a game coach, but his failure to select competent coordinators and assistants especially on offense, is making me think more and more that he's not up to being a HC. He and Beane are incompetent at team building as the sorry performances of the Bills so far this year attest, and giving those asshats control of player personnel has not only been a prescription for disaster, but it will doom the team going forward until they're both canned. The question is, how many more shut outs and blow outs will it take until Pegula pulls the plug on this clown show?
6 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said:They were a bad team last year. They were already selling off talent. The good news is they will be spending a lot of money over the next 2 years to improve the roster.
Change can happen quickly in the NFL.
It certainly can. The Bills went 9-7 in 2017 and finally managed a playoff appearance, and they seem destined for a 1 to 3 win season and a top 3 pick in 2018.
3 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:I've been hearing "patience" since I became a Bills fan back in '69. Now I'm wearing a sweatshirt that says, "Just one before I die." I'm patient. Bills fans generally are. I don't know if we need a new thread on patience when we've been living with "There's always next year" for decades.
But I do generally agree with the OP. The Bills are the lowest paid team in the NFL this year - and play like it. Beane, however, has been squirrelling away both cap dollars and draft picks for 2019 and 2020. If he spends his picks and dollars wisely, the Bills will be good the season after next.
I don't have any hope of a playoff appearance this year. To me, 2018 is the preseason to 2019. I watch to see what I can learn about McD and the coordinators and hopefully see some young players (Allen, Edmunds, etc.) begin to blossom. Wins and losses are almost secondary.
McDermott/Beane spending "picks and dollars wisely" is a pipe dream. I can't wait to see how many picks they trade away and how much cap space they use on acquiring players who are then released or traded before the start of the regular season.
1 hour ago, buffalobloodfloridahome said:It's all about the draft and free agency next year. They appear to be building the defense first added a rookie qb and letting him get experience so that next year when they build the offense around him he'll at least have an idea what to do with them. Not unlike Rams current team. They just have to hit on the picks and free agents next year.
If their "plan" is to build a defense first, then why did they waste so much talent and draft capital on a first round QB who is being set up to fail because he has no protection and no targets and no running game to help him have any real success? In case you didn't notice, their defense still isn't very good two years in -- and they've got numerous older vets like Kyle Williams and Lorenzo Alexander who are at about the end of their careers, so those holes will have to be filled next season. So, when exactly do the geniuses bother to get some help for Allen -- or do they assume that because he was a first round pick that he doesn't need to have help, that he can "carry" the offense all by himself?
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4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
Just admit you have no clue and move on. I've put a challenge out there to name me just one successful organization that did not care about their culture. If you're so smart and think it means nothing, name one.
You think guys like Dareus and Gilmore are fighting the cultures established by their current teams? You think Gilmore especially tells Belichick he doesn't care about how they do things in New England.
Laughable.
What's laughable is your defense of McDermott's incompetence as a team builder by claiming he's building a "culture". The only "culture" that McDermott is "building" is a losing one.
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7 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:
C'mon guys, this is code for our players suck and we are cleaning up next spring, 100 mill cap space and 10 draft picks baby !!
just had to get the non culturalists out.
It's amazing how virtually all those "non culturists" were most of the best players on the team -- Stephon Gilmore, Marquise Goodwin, Robert Woods, Sammy Watkins, Marcel Dareus, Cordy Glenn, even Tyrod Taylor, etc -- and the most of the "pro culturalists" that McDermott has brought in are busts, career backups, waiver wire/practice squad refugees, and other teams', especially Carolina's, rejects.
Keep fantasizing about the juggerNOT that McDermott and Beane will build with that "100 mill cap space and 10 draft picks".
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11 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Ducasse is at LG next to Dawkins. Not that the same principle doesn't apply.
I don't know if I agree entirely about the bull manure, though. At times, I would agree they "simply aren't good enough to be better" - they simply are getting beaten, or walked back into the QB.
But some of that is matchup - asking Mills (or worse, Lee) to block Clay Matthews 1:1, for example. Not gonna happen. Give that boy some help.
And some of it is scheme - our OL often seems confused, with two guys blocking 1 defender while another runs free. Or they're being asked to cut block, which they can't seem to do effectively 8 times out of 10.
Those things could be improved, although the people who need to try harder are not the players, but the coaches.
Mea culpa on confusing the guards. I knew that Ducasse was moved to the left side but the brain apparently wasn't totally in gear.
I totally agree that the coaches rather than the players are the ones who have to "try harder", but there comes a time when the HC has to take the responsibility for poor game performance on himself. I'm not seeing that in a statement that essentially blames the players.
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8 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:
No.. I said nothing like that.
EJ Manual has x amount of talent. McDermott is saying he want a guy who play to his talent potential and even to try to exceed it.
He also says that a player NOT playing to his potential (x amount of talent) is not part of the "culture".
Now, IF Kelvin Benjamin is on this team next year then I will say that McDermott is a "liar" about his culture thus not deserving of his job.
So that being said, sorry dude if you can't see what he means. Khalil Mack gives his all on the field......he is the perfect "culture" guy.
Except for Miller and Dawkins, the Bills OLers are bottom-level starters or career backups. They are what they are and what they've always been. Dawkins has taken a step backward after a decent rookie season playing beside Pro Bowler Richie Incognito instead of failed starter John Miller. Intimating that they could be better if only they tried harder is just so much bull manure. They simply aren't good enough to be better, no matter how hard they try.
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3 hours ago, COTC said:
The Hope sell came from Russ Brandon. That technique is gone.
Expect a a ton of cancellations.
LOL. Keep telling yourself that.
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17 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:
McDermott told the OL when it comes to the run game that they are not playing up to their potential and if they were the run game would improve.
The culture he talks about is everyone should give their all and play to their potential all the time and even exceed it.
The way I hear it is McDermott is saying more or less that there are players on the OL "slacking off" either physically or mentally or both.
I see this as 1 step away from some starters being sat or released and younger guys being given a chance.
His comment it seems to me was comparing culture to scheme and had nothing to do with a players talent.
So, if only JP Losman and EJ Manuel had tried harder and been more dedicated, they'd have become successful NFL QBs?
Sorry, dude, but everything starts with talent. What separates Khalil Mack from his peers isn't his work ethic or his love of football or "doing things the right way most of the time", it's his talent.
It seems to me that what McDermott is doing is blaming untalented players for their lack of ability, instead of facing up to the fact that his -- and Beane's -- poor decisions have resulted in the dumpster fire called the 2018 Buffalo Bills.
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6 hours ago, CookieG said:
Someone needs to go into his room, go to his nightstand, and swipe his copy of Dick Jauron's "How to Build a Winning Culture with a Bottom 5 Offense".
Bad, bad reading material.
Game. Set. Match.
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10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
My point isnt about being negative...its about lumping 20 years onto owners who were not part of the 20 years and a front office and coaching staff that were not part of those 20 years. It has no relevancy of any kind to the this current team.
Rebuilds take time...but because of past regimes failures, people dont want to give time. That is unrealistic and impossible to achieve. We wont know how good or bad this regime is for at least 2 years until we see how this years draft class and next years FA and Draft class do.
How is this sorry clown show of McDermott and Beane any different than the previous incompetent regimes over the last 20 years? The names and faces have changed -- even the ownership -- but the asshats running the team are still making the same kinds of stupid decisions that nurtured the 17 year drought.
"Rebuild" implies that a team was good at one time. A 9-7 season with a lucky playoff appearance does not qualify as "good". The last time the Bills won more than 9 games in the same season was 1999. This is the longest running "rebuild" in history.
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23 hours ago, twist_to_open said:
They were saying the same thing about Deshaun Watson last year as they are about Mahomes this year and now crickets, let's give all these guys a year or two.....
Maybe you should pay attention to the rest of the NFL since Watson has been playing well on a pretty crappy team. He's thrown for 300+ yards in his last three games, and for the season he's thrown for 1246 yards with 7 TDs, 4 INTs, 62.2% completions, and a QB rating of 93.5. He's also been sacked 17 times (he was only sacked 19 times in 7 games in 2017).
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Bledsoe in Buffalo is a quintessential example of how a good/decent QB can be sabotaged when he doesn't have protection and targets. It's why I've said repeatedly that the currrent Bills are setting up Josh Allen to fail because they haven't provided him with either protection or targets, just like the Bills did with Bledsoe.
In 2002, when Bledsoe had a decent OL and an excellent receiving corps (Eric Moulds, Peerless Price, Jay Reimersma, Larry Centers, etc) plus a decent running game, he threw for 4359 yards (breaking Kelly's record), 24 TDs, 15 INTs, and made the Pro Bowl. After that first season, the Bills essentially dismantled their offense in order to build up their defense, and Bledsoe became a convenient scapegoat for the failure of the Bills organization to hire good coaches, draft well, and manage the cap ... pretty much what they've continued to do up to the present day.
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2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Lou Saban said "Hello"
Chuck Knox too.
I limited my list to the 21st century because that covers almost 20 years.
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21 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
A RB as the Bills' 1st round pick.
Why not? They haven't drafted one in the first round since 2010 ... and along with DBs and WRs, RBs are the Bills' favorites to draft in the first round -- or in the second if they don't have a first rounder.
2001 - Nate Clements DB
2003 - Willis McGahee RB
2004 - Lee Evans WR
2005 - Roscoe Parrish WR (2nd round)
2006 - Donte Whitner DB
2007 - Marshawn Lynch RB
2008 - Leodis McKelvin DB
2010 - CJ Spiller RB
2012 - Stephon Gilmore DB
2014 - Sammy Watkins WR
2015 - Ronald Darby DB
2017 - Tre'Davious White DB
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The Bills aren't likely to win another game this season unless they luck out and play a team in a trap game situation after they (the Bills) embarrass themselves by making another mediocre team look like Super Bowl contenders ... or unless they play another game in a snowstorm.
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I'm 68. I have been a Bills fan since I was 13, which was back in 1963, and I think my parents did me a disservice by raising me as a Bills fan. Sundays in the fall revolved around the Bills. Even my mother was a fan back in the days when few women would admit to having any understanding of the game much less serious fandom. It has been a very bittersweet legacy because the Bills have been so bad so often for so long. My mother died without ever seeing the Bills make the playoffs in the NFL (only the AFL). My dad never saw the Bills play in a Super Bowl. I don't expect that I'll live long enough to see the Bills win a Super Bowl, but maybe I won't care about that since I'm about at the end of my fandom I think.
I've been moving in that direction for a while. I gave up my season tix after the 2008 season when Jauron was given an extension despite the team's collapse in the second half of the season. I even toyed with the idea of getting them again in 2014 because I originally thought that new ownership would usher in a new course for this team. Boy, oh, boy, was I wrong! Despite all the changes in names and faces, the Bills continue to play the same "money ball" game they've played for the last quarter of a century. They remain as uncommitted to fielding a winning team now as they ever did under Ralph Wilson's ownership and Russ Brandon's last dozen years of stewardship, perhaps even more so.
I don't watch entire Bills games any more because I refuse to subject myself to that kind of torture. I have NFL Sunday ticket so I can watch real football games played by real NFL teams, not that crap that the Bills serve up with regularity. I'm skeptical of every move the team or its staff makes because I've seen and heard this same bull **** again and again over the decades. I'm sick of seeing players who were supposedly "not good enough" for the Bills starring and/or playing key roles for playoff contending teams while the Bills fill their roster with trash gleaned from various NFL dumpsters. I'm sick of seeing the Bills plodding along in a horse-and-buggy (and a very SLOW horse at that) and crying poverty while the rest of the league zooms by in SUVs and does just fine on the same budget. I'm tired of waiting for "next season" when "next season" never gets any better than any of the other previous "next seasons" in this century.
Of course, the cynic in me says that maybe the Pegulas' real plan for the Bills is to make the team so bad for long enough that many fans will give up on the team -- or die off -- and there won't be much hue and cry if they sell the team to some other billionaire for a fat profit so that he can move it to London or Mexico City or Timbuktu.
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2 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:
Who would have predicted our two biggest "steals" would have been Taron and our punter from the Pats, LOL.
Shades of Dick Jauron's penchant for finding "steals" while diving in the NFL's dumpsters a dozen years ago ... with perhaps worse results.
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25 minutes ago, pop gun said:
Chad Kelly purged all kinds of talent in Philly and it ultimately got him fired, that said his teams were never this bad.
It was actually Chip Kelly -- Chad is Jim's nephew -- but yeah, even he didn't get rid of as much talent as fast as McDermott and Beane have. Josh McDaniels in Denver and Nick Saban in Miami both went the same route. McDaniels was canned, and Saban quit to run back to the NCAA after a year or two. I think the common denominator among Kelly, McDaniels, and Saban was that they came from backgrounds where the HC pretty much ran things on a "my way or the highway" basis. That's frequently the norm at successful NCAA programs and that's how Belichick has run NE. Dick Jauron also dismantled the team he inherited in order to bring "his guys" and he was another "my way or the highway guy". McDermott seems to be cut from the same mold but even less tolerant of players who don't fit his criteria since he's accomplished the dismantling of a better team than Jauron inherited in a much shorter period of time.
"My way or the highway" type coaches can't work in the modern NFL because of the salary cap. Teams cannot simply shed talent without regard to the cap implications of such personnel moves the way that the Bills did in 2017 and 2018 preseason because it leaves them exactly where they are in 2018: so limited by dead cap space that they cannot replace the talented players who left with anything but bottom feeder FAs and low-level draft picks and UDFA rookies. Add in poor pro player decisions, most aggrievously, trading for Benjamin and Coleman and trading away McCarron, and questionable drafting such as Zay Jones and Nate Peterman, and you have a prescription for an ugly situation that doesn't look to improve any time soon as long as McDermott and Beane remain in control.
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45 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:
Yea I'm laughing at you. Another old fan talking about polian and one more draft of lbs and db depth. The game passed you by.
You're seriously suggesting lbs and dbs? I don't even want to hear that.
Not ALL old fans are lost in the 1990s, 1980s, 1970s etc. Some of us actually watch teams other than the Bills and realize that the game has changed.
IMO, this team's FO and coaching staff would be incompetent in any decade since the merger.
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17-0 Titans. The Titans have a pretty stout defense.
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2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:
The Bills choose this offense, and they cut a WR this year to make room for a rotational DT. McClappy thinks its 1980 and you win with defense and a running game.
Except that the Bills don't even have a running game thanks to the crappy OLers McDermott and Beane brought in.
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3 minutes ago, Gigs said:
The Bills could have Bell, Gronk and Mahomes and still be in the drought.
Just because one player excels on one team doesn’t mean he will somewhere else. If Brady wasn’t a Patriot what are the chances he ever sees the field? It took a Mo Lewis hit for that to happen. He could’ve played 3 years as a backup and retired
Excuses, excuses, excuses. We've heard all this bull manure time and time again since the end of the Glory Years (about 1995).
2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:We shouldn't stop with those involved in the Mahomes debacle. We should not rest until we have held every single person (or surviving family members) accountable for every personnel decision, in the history of the Buffalo Bills, that turned out to be bad in hindsight.
I still can't believe Robert Lustig pass on drafting Joe Montana? Three times!!
We really shouldn't stand for an inability to predict future performance any longer...
Disingenuous clap trap. This is 2018 not 1979, although McDermott and Beane's "offensive concepts" seem to be stuck in the 1970s.
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9 hours ago, ******* said:
According to Next Gen stats, NOBODY in the NFL has had MORE 'TIME TO THROW' than Josh Allen
So, when Aaron Rodgers takes 2 seconds to throw a pass from the pocket, it's added to his "time to throw" the same way as when Josh Allen dodges defenders for 4 seconds before being sacked is added to his "time to throw" stats?
Or, is it, when Tom Brady takes a sack after 2 seconds because he doesn't run and Josh Allen evades sackers for 4 seconds, he's credited with "more time to throw"?
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24 minutes ago, Captain_Quint said:
Mahomes reminds me of Kaepernick in his one good season. Couldnt do anything wrong. But I'm not sold on Mahomes as a long term, cornerstone type of a QB quite yet. Hes got talent, good coaches, a quality team around him (minus the defense). Itll be interesting to see if he progresses this season or regresses as the grind wears teams down.
There is nothing about Mahomes' game that's like Kaepernick's. Kaepernick's success was always based on his being a threat to run. He lacked a lot of the skills required of an NFL QB, including being able to read defenses, and he was not particularly accurate. There is no doubt that Mahomes is a QB first and foremost. He uses his running ability to escape rushers, and he's deadly accurate whether he's in the pocket or outside of it. It's early yet, but he seems to understand what he's seeing, so that says he is able to read defenses, and if he's not as good as a guy who's been in the league for several years, it seems likely he'll get better at it as he gains experience.
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What is or was your expectations for 2018
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I expected losses. I didn't expect ass-whippings every time out except when some opponent was in a trap game situation and didn't take the Bills seriously because of how badly they sucked in their previous outs. Can McDermott and Beane both, and their supposedly professional scouting staff, too.