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Reddick sounds like just the kind of player that McDermott and Beane love: a failed first round draft pick that another team wants to peddle with three or four years left on his rookie contract.
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15 hours ago, NoSaint said:
My line of the thought is that if you are in a dysfunctional situation long term, you are likely part of the dysfunction too, right?
in Whaley’s case- he was in the organization long term so when he was promoted I see 3 takes:
1) he thought it was ok, which isn’t ok.
2) he thought it was not ok and thought he could effect change to secure control over very basic job duties and failed- which he has some ownership over.
3) he thought it was improper but didn’t try to change it- obviously also bad from an executive leader.
at some level, part of his job is being able to maintain the power and leadership to effectively manage the team, and for whatever reasons he could not accomplish that.
IIRC, Whaley and Brandon were pals going back to their college days or something like that, which is probably why he was originally hired to assist Gailey. I think Whaley was on board with Brandon's "money ball" philosophy, and accepted the Bills weird organizational structure where the GM was pretty much subservient to the HC as well being dictated to by FO bean-counters.
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3 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:
Would even the “GOAT” hoodie savant’s swings and misses along the way disqualify him in your book then? https://www.thesportster.com/football/questionable-moves-the-patriots-have-made-in-the-brady-belichick-era/
you can’t expect every single move to pan out. Also, these moves aren’t done in a vacuum. Scouting dept, GM takes?
I don't "expect every single move to pan out" but some offensive decisions panning out would be nice. I just love watching ex-Bills who weren't good enough to play for the Bills tearing up defenses on playoff teams like NE, Philly, LA, and KC.
You obviously love waiting ... and waiting ... and waiting ... for the Bills to build an offense that's NOT lost in the 1980s. Enjoy the wait.
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12 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:
I’ve never quite understood this logic that a lot of posters have spread on these threads, that just because McD comes from defense, then he automatically doesn’t value/understand offensive football. What does a defense have to stop? Another defense? Of course not. Offensive football. So someone who understands D and is good at it, would have to by extension understand what types of offenses are currently “cutting-edge” and what sort of problems they present to a D in working to stop it at a schematic level; thus if you succeed, making you an opposite but equal “reaction” to the offense to be able to most effectively stop it. My point is, from a philosophy standpoint he should be quite understanding of what a good offense looks like—you hire the offensive OC to make the sausage that you may not be as up on, what goes in to the seasoning of it, Daboll’s been letting him down on that front obviously, which was made plain in McD’s postgame pressers this week. But oblivious to offense? Hardly. He’s a HC, and is fully aware of the need to be on top of both sides of the ball now. Otherwise, what’s the point of even having one? Go into a game with coordinators only?
Numerous defensive minded HCs have put together good/great offenses. Belichick is probably the most notable. But there have been some other HCs from defensive backgrounds who have attempted to win by with strong defensives and run oriented offenses that didn't lose games. The 1985 Bears under Ditka are probably the prime example, but this is NOT the same NFL as in 1985 or even 2005 when the Bears went 11-5 with the same formula with rookie Kyle Orton under center. In 2018 when offense rules, and yet McDermott is trying to build a team to be competitive in 1985.
McDermott's is the guy who makes the decisions on personnel, and these decisions say he's clueless or disinterested or both when it comes to the offense.
- He was the guy who chose Zay Jones over JuJu Smith-Schuster and traded up to get him.
- He was the guy who decided that he didn't want Sammy Watkins on his team which completed the total dismantling of the most talented WR corps the Bills have had in this century -- and filled the Bills WR corps with has beens, never weres, and low draft picks and UDFA rookies.
- He was the guy who was okay with replacing two top notch OLers with backups and bottom feeders and trading away the best LT the Bills have had since they traded away future HOFer Jason Peters just because they had a rookie LT who played decently.
- He's the guy who kept Peterman and allowed McCarron to be traded away just because Peterman looked good against scrubs in preseason.
If those four moves don't convince you that McDermott isn't the guy to build a competitve team going forward, I'm not sure anything can.
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2 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:
Sounds like Whaley was GM half the time he was officially the GM. Too many others had their fingers in the pie. IMO, Whaley didn’t really get a fair shake here as GM.
That's pretty much been part of the Bills "culture" for decades. Chuck Knox left because of it. Bill Polian was fired because he had an issue with Litman, Ralph's son-in-law. Whaley wasn't really an independent GM as most teams have as I think he was either equal to or subservient to the HC du jour. Brandon always had his sticky fingers in personnel matters going back to 2006 when he hired Jauron and installed Marv Levy as a figurehead GM. Probably Overdorf, too.
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6 hours ago, FrankReichComeback#14 said:
Take this for what it’s worth. On the most recent episode of the Bills Beat podcast Joe B and Fairburn get a bit into evaluating McDermott and Beane. The subject of Whaley comes up.
Many have debated what Whaley’s role was in selecting EJ. If you remember he was officially named GM after the 2013 draft, though many speculated he took over for Buddy Nix unofficially before then. So while Buddy was technically GM when the selection was made, many felt it was Whaley’s call.
Joe B isn’t one of them. He said that he refuses to believe Whaley was involved with the pick. He thinks EJ was 100% a Buddy Nix move and that Whaley was playing “good soldier” and went along with the pick.
What that doesnt explain is why Whaley overspent to trade for Sammy Watkins the next year. It seemed as though that was a result of him trying to justify the selection on EJ.
Either way, that’s what Joe B thinks
This isn't hard to figure out. It's called putting your QB in a position to succeed, which is a tried and true strategy (see LA Rams, KC Chiefs, Philadelphia Eagles, etc). The Bills drafted WRs Robert Woods (2nd) and Marquise Goodwin (3rd) in 2013, OTs Cyrus Kouandijo (2nd) and Seantrel Henderson (7th) in 2014, and OG John Miller (3rd) in 2015. He also signed LG Richie Incognito and TE Charles Clay in 2015 as UFAs and traded for LeSean McCoy. Even though Manuel was a bust, the offensive players Whaley assembled enabled the Bills to field mid-pack offenses with Kyle Orton and Tyrod Taylor at QB until McDermott decided talent on offense was apparently superflous.
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24 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
I'm one who has lived it and developed it. Your statement indicates you don't have a clue. Instead of blowing hot air, answer the one question I have posed: name one successful organization that does not have a successful culture.
You aren't the only who has "lived it" in the corporate world, dude, and you're just incorrect when you claim that you "developed it" because a corporate/organizational culture can't be "developed" by a single individual or even several individuals like a facilities maintenance plan or a new software program. It develops pretty much on its own over time from a series of interactions between management and employees. What you've described in your past posts seems much more like a corporate philosophy or a mission statement (for non-profits) which also brings customers/clients into the equation rather than culture, although the corporate/organizational culture can certainly impact customers/clients.
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2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
I don't know that I agree with you here. Culture, in reality, is the set of beliefs, assumptions and expectations that govern how people within an organization actually interact and behave. Culture as spoken about by management, is often the expression of an aspirational set of values that are observed by the rank-and-file not to match behaviors that are in practice rewarded.
This is pretty much the accepted definition/description of corporate/organizational culture. Culture develops endemically over time based on the actual interactions between management and employees, not on management edicts or pep talks. Like a society's culture, a corporate culture develops over a long time without a distinct beginning or end unless there's some cataclysmic event -- like a change of ownership of a football team -- that results in massive personnel changes at the very top of the corporate food chain which changes the way the organization is run.
The Bills have a culture, but it's not at all what McDermott -- and his supporters on TSW -- claim it is. It's pretty much the same culture that developed under Russ Brandon's aegis since he was put in charge of the Bills in 2006 after Tom Donahoe was fired. When Pegula purchased the Bills in 2013, if he wanted to change the team's direction, he should have parted ways with Russ Brandon, Doug Whaley, Jim Overdorf, etc and brought in his own people from the top down. Instead, he kept Brandon and his top henchmen. McDermott and Beane were hired because they fit the Bills culture that had developed under Brandon, which is why the Bills seem to being doing similar things under the new regime that they did under the previous regime and the one before that ... The real difference is that Beane and the scouting department he assembled after Whaley and the old scouts were fired seem to be incompetent as talent evaluators which accentuates McDermott's failure to field a competitive NFL team because of his "my way or the highway" philosophy.
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2 hours ago, buffalobloodfloridahome said:
My theory behind why they drafted a QB was that this was a once in a generation QB deep draft that doesn't come around often. I don't think they planned on or even wanted him to play this year especially without Wood and Richie on the line. Unfortunately Peterman who I had hope for was so incompetent he was forced into action. We have 90 million in free agency next year. We already drafted Kyle Williams replacement with Dirty Harry and we can find another DE/LB to fill the gap if ZO leaves as well. Next year will be a heavy offense driven draft where we need to load up on Oline and WR's/Playmakers.
Who says that this was a "once in a generation QB deep draft that doesn't come around often except for media draft mavens and draft picks' agents spreading hype? Every single one of the top five prospects in 2018 had serious flaws, and because of that, there wasn't a consensus #1 pick. Between 2000 and 2016, there have been four other drafts that yielded at least four first round QBs prospects: 2003, 2004, 2011, 2012. Carson Palmer came out of the 2003 as the #1 consensus pick. Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, and Ben Roethlisberger all came out of 2004, with Eli being the consensus #1. In 2011, Cam Newton, again the #1 consensus pick, was the only successful QB. In 2012, only the #1 consensus pick, Andrew Luck, and Ryan Tannehill found success from among the first round picks*. So, in these supposedly "extra deep" QB drafts, only 7 of the 16 first rounders were/are decent NFL starters, which is about 44%. Since all of the consensus first rounders hit, only 3 of the other 12 first rounders were successful, which is a pitiful 25%, which means that how many highly rated (or more likely, highly hyped) QBs are in a draft class is irrelevant. It's totally on the quality of the QB prospects available, not how many prospects are available, because most drafts yield only 1 good or better QB.
IMO, what is most troubling about the Bills draft in 2018 is that it appears that they decided to draft a first round QB well before they even knew what QBs would be available in the draft which suggests that they weren't looking at a specific prospect or two, but just "a first round QB". That smells just like the Bills decision to draft "a first round QB" in 2013 regardless of the quality of the prospects just to placate the fan base. In fact, the Bills signaled they were committed to drafting a first round QB in 2018 by trading away Taylor (in 2013, the Bills released Fitzpatrick just before the start of the new league year). That the Bills treated the offense as an afterthought during FA despite the loss of Wood and Incognito and that after they drafted Allen, they didn't draft another offensive player until almost the end of the fifth round further hints that they drafted Allen primarily to placate the fan base rather than as the cornerstone of a 21st century NFL offense.
I'll reiterate what I've said elsewhere: Allen is being set up to fail by the decisions the McDermott and Beane have made in the past and are likely to make in the future. McDermott doesn't seem to value or understand offensive football, so I'm not at all hopeful that the Bills will invest either $$$ or high draft picks in offensive players.
* The best QB of the 2012 draft is Russell Wilson who was finally taken in the 3rd round. Kirk Cousins, taken in the 4th round, ain't too shabby either, and Nick Foles, taken later in the 3rd round, is an excellent backup/average/low level starter depending upon the system he's in and the talent around him. The second-best QB in the 2011 draft turned out to be second rounder Andy Dalton.
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13 hours ago, Patrick_Duffy said:
The fix? The fix is obviously better linemen needed. Which won't happen til the offseason. And maybe the Oline coach may have a little to do with it. ?
The "fix" is to can McDermott and his henchman Beane. The Bills offensive and defensive performances this season attest to exactly how incompetent these two are.
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On 10/4/2018 at 6:07 PM, billsfan89 said:
It's been an ugly season so far. But its not like the Bills don't have a long term plan in place for success. The current regime hasn't "shot their shot" yet. So far their drafts have been strong and their free agency periods have had mixed results (2017 with McD and Whaley they did a good job finding some players with limited cap space but in 2018 McBeane's two big free agent acquisitions have been underwhelming at best.) But the current regime has the cap space to build the roster that can have a talent level needed to compete. 2019 will be make or break. 2018 was always a rebuilding year in my mind. They changed from a veteran QB and moved on from some older players. They also had to eat a lot of dead cap to get out from under certain salary cap constraints.
But if they have the cap space in 2019 and can't progress this team they deserved to be **** canned.
What is this great plan??? Turning the clock back to the 1970s? They've made a good start. The current Bills are certainly as uncompetitive in the NFL as they were through most of the 1970s.
On 10/4/2018 at 6:16 PM, matter2003 said:What did you expect? They jettisoned bad contracts and players they did not want, have $50+ million in dead cap this year, and are largely devoid of talent especially on the offensive side of the ball.
The plan wasn't to be good in 2018. The plan was to set the table for next year, take our lumps, likely get a high draft pick and go into next year with $90+ million in cap space to sign FAs.
Now, there is no guarantee their plan will actually work once they implement it. But make no mistake about it, they have a very detailed plan and are following it to a T
ROTFLMAO. So, these clowns have spent 2 seasons getting ready to implement their great plan to turn the clock back to the 1970s? Got it.
On 10/4/2018 at 7:55 PM, Scott7975 said:Except this is the first time in a very long time a staff has done this. The last few staffs were always about win now which led them to bad decisions in drafts and in contracts. That is the reason we are where we are today. The status quo wasn't doing us any good... as you have lived through for the last decade. Whether this staff can properly build a team now that the resources are in place to do so, I don't know but I am at least going to see if they can before I pull out my pitchfork.
Everyone is all upset that we jettisoned all this talent because we were clearly on the verge of something. That was the thinking for the last 10 years... maybe if we throw 100 mil at this one more player we can make the playoffs. This is what kept us in the gutter. This staff wants to get away from that and I commend them for it. Next year is the year we should start seeing some semblance of a team.
Bull manure! Since the Bills got rid of the last "my way or the highway" jackass (Dick Jauron) in 2009, they've had GMs who knew personnel (Nix and Whaley) and HCs who were at least smart enough not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The current regime is another "my way or the highway" HC with his 1970s mentality with control over personnel and a GM with no personnel experience -- and the sad state of the current Bills reflects that. The longer these two are in charge, the further the Bills will fall behind the rest of the NFL.
11 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:Not fixated. But do you really want to pay Cousins or Bradford millions of dollars to sit behind Allen and teach him? Matt Moore has opted out (voluntarily). That left Bridgwater and ——————— (fill in the blank). Point is, there are no quality vet mentors that will take “vet mentor” money.
Excuses, excuses, excuses.
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23 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
McVay built such a great bridge with Sammy they kept him for one year and weren't interested in resigning him. Dareus has like 9 tackles in 4 games this year. Gordon has played one game in NE and that means Belichick has built a bridge? Watch that"bridge" crumble if and when Gordon screws up again.
Oh, and Milano? Defensive player of the week two weeks ago. I think a lot of teams would be happy to have him.
Finally, cap space. They made a commitment to get out from under contracts that were weighing down the team. Dareus being the prime example. You don't give a huge contract to a guy half assing it through games.
Point 1: McVay tried to re-sign Watkins but KC offered more.
Point 2: One good game against a flat team doesn't make a career. Milano is nothing special, and I'll stand by my statement that he might not make the rosters of many NFL teams.
Point 3: The poster I questioned claimed that Pegula insisted on cutting cap commitments by the end of 2018. I don't believe that's true in any form. As I said, maybe Pegula wanted them to cut the amount the Bills actually spent on player salaries in 2018 and going forward, but that's not the same thing as "fixing the cap situation", whatever that means.
20 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:Ah. But are you talking Belichick*** now, or Belichick*** when he took over Carroll's 8-8 Patriots and led them to 5-11 his first year?
I think if you cared to look carefully at the roster of the Pats back in those years and how they played, you'll find that Belichick indeed changed his scheme to fit the young players he had. All the pruning he did was of older guys.
If he brought in new guys, sure, they fit his scheme.
2 decades later sure, he picks players who fit his scheme. Why shouldn't he?
That's the luxury you earn through 2 decades of success, where FA want to come to you and play for a proven winner.
A more persuasive analogy would be to look at what coaches and GMs who have recently turned teams around have done.
Jaguars for example, or if that one is too painful, Rams or Eagles.
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Except that the Jags, Rams and Eagles new HCs all kept their teams' best players and built around them, so that would be the opposite of McDermott and Beane. Hell, Marrone even replaced Bortles as his starting QB during 2017 preseason IIRC in order to put him on notice to get his act together -- and he did. And Dareus doesn't seem to have any trouble fitting into the Jags' "culture".
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7 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:
We trade our number one for a kings ransom and build the offense. Heck take both those wide receivers from Ole Miss! Ha
Probably not. Since the Bills will have the #1 pick, McDermott and Beane will trade the rest of their picks for the #8 pick so that they can draft a DE and another CB.
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7 hours ago, Success said:
I’m very torn on this. For starters, we don’t have a choice.
The selfish part of me wants to just see him play, now. I also like the idea that he’ll have a lot of game experience when they can finally surround him with talent, so he’ll be ready and we won’t have to go through the usual growing pains.
But he’s really getting beat up out there, and a lot of this isn’t fair to him.
Who's fault is it that there's nobody else to start but Allen? I'll say what Dilfer was too circumspect to say: McDermott and Beane are not only setting up Allen to fail, they're using him as a fail-safe excuse to keep their jobs despite the awful team they've put on the field.
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1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:
It's the fault of being still early in a rebuild ... a rebuild during which the owner exacted a promise to clean up the salary cap morass by the end of this year.
That dead cap space looks awful this year and terrific next year.
I personally don't see a lot of gaping holes on the defense. Certainly still room for improvement, but "gaping holes"? I don't see it on defense. On offense, yeah. That tends to happen, though, that a new coach prioritizes the side of the ball that he specializes in.
And yeah, Smith-Schuster would've been an improvement over Zay, or so it looks so far. But the rest of that draft looks damn good. Tre' White at #27? Dawkins in the 3rd, trading up to get him? Looks very smart in retrospect. Milano in the 5th? Even Peterman in the 5th might easily turn out to be a good pick if he ends up as a long-time backup, here or elsewhere, though it's far from sure that will happen. You can't blame them for the Zay Jones pick without also praising them for White, Dawkins and Milano. And that was all before Beane even came on board.
I don't buy your excuses.
First off, where did you get the info that Pegula "exacted a promise to clean up the salary cap morass by the end of this year"? This is the first I've heard or seen a reference to anything such promise but maybe I missed this tasty gossip tidbit. Do you mean that maybe Pegula "exacted a promise to cut player salary cost by $x million by the end of 2018" since the Bills have one of the lowest, if not the lowest, actual player payrolls in the NFL primarily because they got rid of virtually all of their higher paid players and replaced them with bottom-feeder vets and rookies. Wood and maybe the strange situation with Incognito can be dismissed as "unforeseen" but all the other players who left the team were either not re-signed in FA (Gilmore, Goodwin, Wood) or traded away, resulting in huge savings in current salary but adding tens of millions to the dead cap space (which doesn't actually count against the Bills profitability).
If you like what you've seen on defense so far, who am I to think you should expect more? I certainly do. The defense has looked better than the offense but that doesn't mean that it's all that good because the offense isn't even professional caliber.
Aside from White, who from the 2017 draft is truly NFL starting caliber? Dawkins and Milano are starting because there's nobody better on the team. My guess is that they wouldn't be starters on most NFL teams, and Milano might not even make many teams regular rosters. As for Peterman, he's a waste of a roster spot, and your defense of him seems to indicate that you live in a fantasy world where every crappy pick/bottom feeder vet that McDermott and Beane foist on the team is a good choice.
Since you like to accuse anybody who disagrees with your blind worship of McDermott and Beane as being a "troll", I have to ask: are you McDermott's mom or one of the Pegula's kids?
7 hours ago, K-9 said:Folks aren't appreciating the depths to which the relationship between Dareus and McBeane had deteriorated. A divorce was inevitable and I'm not sure it was as easy to just have him hang around as some might think. Especially in light of a new staff with new standards, etc. trying to establish a certain order.
McDermott and Beane seem to have real problems with their relationships with really talented players who are well-paid or who expect to be paid what they're worth. Meanwhile, coaches like Belichick, McVay, and Marrone seem to be able to build bridges to really talented players like Josh Gordon, Sammy Watkins, and Marcel Dareus.
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33 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
They didn't have a ton of $$ in free agency. Recall they got gashed in the run game last year so they tried to shore that up. Having Richie lose it really hurt. And why Groy fell apart remains a mystery.
I anticipate heavy emphasis on the offense next offseason. If not I will be quite critical.
Who's fault is it that they have $53+ million in dead cap space and gaping holes on both sides of the ball?
Keeping Dareus would have kept them from being "gashed in the run game" last year and this -- and cut their dead cap space to about $40 million. Wood was 30 in 2017, and Incognito was 34 or 35. Maybe they should have drafted an OLer with the extra pick they gave up to move up to take Jones and taken some other WR -- I believe that Smith-Shuster might have still been available when the Bills would have picked. Groy was a career backup, but the reason he "fell apart" is likely because he's not playing the same blocking scheme that he played in 2016 when he looked at least semi-competent. That's on the coaching staff because it seems apparent that the Bills OLers still haven't come close to mastering the zone blocking system.
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4 hours ago, billsfan89 said:
KB is making 8.5 million and he is off the books after this season. Sammy is due 32 million in 2019 and 2020. Star's cap hit this season is 6.5 million much lower than Dareus's but had Dareus stayed with the Bills he would be a 15 million dollar cap hit in 2019 and 2020 whereas Star is a 10 million dollar cap hit. Once again if the Bills had Sammy, Dareus, Tyrod, Darby, and Glenn are they a contender?
I am also not defending the Star contract or the ability for McBeane to sign pro-talent. However that doesn't mean the philsophy of getting draft capital and dumping players on big contracts wasn't the right move in philsophy. The Bills holding onto aging injury prone talent to win a little more in the short term wouldn't help the team.
Sammy Watkins can catch passes. Benjamin would be the poster-boy for "stone handed WR" except that Zay Jones has on that.
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6 minutes ago, row_33 said:
2-3 will seem a lot better than 1-4 after Sunday
What makes you think the Bills have a prayer of winning against the Titans? The Titans have a stout defense and an offense that's at least competent enough to score two or three times against a bad-to-mediocre defense like the Bills put on the field. The Bills have what? A good FG who'll likely not leave the bench except for half time.
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I expected losses. I didn't expect ass-whippings every time out except when some opponent was in a trap game situation and didn't take the Bills seriously because of how badly they sucked in their previous outs. Can McDermott and Beane both, and their supposedly professional scouting staff, too.
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1 hour ago, Logic said:
It's funny.
When McDermott/Beane came in, Bills fans universally agreed that a full rebuild was needed and welcomed. Whaley/Brandon/Rex had left behind a toxic dumpster fire from top to bottom, a salary cap mess, and an awful team culture. EVERYTHING needed to be flushed. The Bills needed to start from scratch and build from the ground up. No one disputed this.
The fans -- supposedly ready for said rebuild to begin -- all said "we trust the process!". They all agreed that any rookie QB should get at least a couple years to prove himself. Most were fine with said rookie QB not even PLAYING this year. Everyone knew, also, that the team was taking their "salary cap medicine" this year, and likely wouldn't be competitive because of it.
So the season starts, our raw rookie QB looks like a raw rookie QB, and at the FIRST SIGN OF ADVERSITY in the second year of a complete rebuild, fans are jumping ship and calling for the coach to be fired.
I suppose the team making the playoffs in year 1 of McDermott's tenure accelerated the timeline in the minds of many fans. It shouldn't have. Anyone with a reasonable amount of sense could look at this roster and this astronomical amount of dead money and conclude that 2018 was all about building and growing.
For the past 18 years, the Bills franchise put on band-aid after band-aid, refusing to ever tear it all down and go through a proper rebuild. Most fans screamed from the top of their lungs that a full rebuild was needed. Finally...FINALLY...the rebuild begins, and what happens? "Waaahhhh!!! FIRE McDERMOTT! FIRE BEANE! WAHHHHHH"
Bills fans are the worst sometimes.
Oh, and one more important thing to remember: Beane/McDermott are NOT responsible for anything that happened prior to last year. So for anyone saying "we've been rebuilding for 18 years!" or talking about how they've lost patience: Too bad for you. You obviously don't get it. These guys can only control what's happening NOW, and they're trying to build a TEAM (not just a collection of talent, Whaley-style), and build it the right way. If you can't be patient enough to stick with it, then again...that's too bad for you.
Support was only "universal" for a "complete rebuild" in your own mind. Just because you jumped on the McDermott/Beane clownwagon from Day 1 and dismissed the opinions of many other fans who were skeptical or unsure about the current regime as being "stupid" or "negative" or "unrealistic" doesn't mean that they didn't exist. Get a clue. Not EVERYONE was on board with the BS that McDermott and Beane have been shoveling in the name of "planning for the future". Maybe you should check out the TSW threads on the Watson and Dareus trades. You'll find plenty of doubters in those threads, so don't even try to pretend that fan discontent with the McDermott/Beane clownshow is simply a response to the Bills being totally uncompetitive in 3 of their first 4 games, although there's that, too.
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9 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:
Did we not go to the playoffs last year??
Why are so many acting like petulant chlidren??
Last year was used to get our QB, mission accomplished.
This year we're in the process of demolition and restocking this spring, right on track. Let's exercise some patience and let them build a perennial contender and not a flash in the pan.
Stuff the "patience" bull manure where the sun don't shine. McDermott is a Jauron clone and Beane is his Stepandfetchit. If you think I want them gone, you're right and I make no bones about it. McDermott may be okay as a game coach, but his failure to select competent coordinators and assistants especially on offense, is making me think more and more that he's not up to being a HC. He and Beane are incompetent at team building as the sorry performances of the Bills so far this year attest, and giving those asshats control of player personnel has not only been a prescription for disaster, but it will doom the team going forward until they're both canned. The question is, how many more shut outs and blow outs will it take until Pegula pulls the plug on this clown show?
6 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said:They were a bad team last year. They were already selling off talent. The good news is they will be spending a lot of money over the next 2 years to improve the roster.
Change can happen quickly in the NFL.
It certainly can. The Bills went 9-7 in 2017 and finally managed a playoff appearance, and they seem destined for a 1 to 3 win season and a top 3 pick in 2018.
3 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:I've been hearing "patience" since I became a Bills fan back in '69. Now I'm wearing a sweatshirt that says, "Just one before I die." I'm patient. Bills fans generally are. I don't know if we need a new thread on patience when we've been living with "There's always next year" for decades.
But I do generally agree with the OP. The Bills are the lowest paid team in the NFL this year - and play like it. Beane, however, has been squirrelling away both cap dollars and draft picks for 2019 and 2020. If he spends his picks and dollars wisely, the Bills will be good the season after next.
I don't have any hope of a playoff appearance this year. To me, 2018 is the preseason to 2019. I watch to see what I can learn about McD and the coordinators and hopefully see some young players (Allen, Edmunds, etc.) begin to blossom. Wins and losses are almost secondary.
McDermott/Beane spending "picks and dollars wisely" is a pipe dream. I can't wait to see how many picks they trade away and how much cap space they use on acquiring players who are then released or traded before the start of the regular season.
1 hour ago, buffalobloodfloridahome said:It's all about the draft and free agency next year. They appear to be building the defense first added a rookie qb and letting him get experience so that next year when they build the offense around him he'll at least have an idea what to do with them. Not unlike Rams current team. They just have to hit on the picks and free agents next year.
If their "plan" is to build a defense first, then why did they waste so much talent and draft capital on a first round QB who is being set up to fail because he has no protection and no targets and no running game to help him have any real success? In case you didn't notice, their defense still isn't very good two years in -- and they've got numerous older vets like Kyle Williams and Lorenzo Alexander who are at about the end of their careers, so those holes will have to be filled next season. So, when exactly do the geniuses bother to get some help for Allen -- or do they assume that because he was a first round pick that he doesn't need to have help, that he can "carry" the offense all by himself?
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4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
Just admit you have no clue and move on. I've put a challenge out there to name me just one successful organization that did not care about their culture. If you're so smart and think it means nothing, name one.
You think guys like Dareus and Gilmore are fighting the cultures established by their current teams? You think Gilmore especially tells Belichick he doesn't care about how they do things in New England.
Laughable.
What's laughable is your defense of McDermott's incompetence as a team builder by claiming he's building a "culture". The only "culture" that McDermott is "building" is a losing one.
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7 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:
C'mon guys, this is code for our players suck and we are cleaning up next spring, 100 mill cap space and 10 draft picks baby !!
just had to get the non culturalists out.
It's amazing how virtually all those "non culturists" were most of the best players on the team -- Stephon Gilmore, Marquise Goodwin, Robert Woods, Sammy Watkins, Marcel Dareus, Cordy Glenn, even Tyrod Taylor, etc -- and the most of the "pro culturalists" that McDermott has brought in are busts, career backups, waiver wire/practice squad refugees, and other teams', especially Carolina's, rejects.
Keep fantasizing about the juggerNOT that McDermott and Beane will build with that "100 mill cap space and 10 draft picks".
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11 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Ducasse is at LG next to Dawkins. Not that the same principle doesn't apply.
I don't know if I agree entirely about the bull manure, though. At times, I would agree they "simply aren't good enough to be better" - they simply are getting beaten, or walked back into the QB.
But some of that is matchup - asking Mills (or worse, Lee) to block Clay Matthews 1:1, for example. Not gonna happen. Give that boy some help.
And some of it is scheme - our OL often seems confused, with two guys blocking 1 defender while another runs free. Or they're being asked to cut block, which they can't seem to do effectively 8 times out of 10.
Those things could be improved, although the people who need to try harder are not the players, but the coaches.
Mea culpa on confusing the guards. I knew that Ducasse was moved to the left side but the brain apparently wasn't totally in gear.
I totally agree that the coaches rather than the players are the ones who have to "try harder", but there comes a time when the HC has to take the responsibility for poor game performance on himself. I'm not seeing that in a statement that essentially blames the players.
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Polian was a great GM but he built his teams in an entirely different era. His last years in Indy suggests that he wsn't a particularly good GM for the salary-cap era.