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1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:
...yet ANOTHER prime example that the draft has never been, is not nor will it EVER be an exact science.....Flowers was 9th overall....our very own Eric (COUGH) was #26......so what exactly do GM's and NFL Personnel Directors have to go on that is rock solid?....SQUAT......once that lad cashes the "big check", no way in hell to know what is in his head 'n heart as far as NFL football......think clubs do NOT have payroll millions tied up in their respective personnel departments?....yet the "fire McBeane" yipsters type away here from under their desks, safe and sound.....
McDermott and Beane deserve to be fired for McDermott's dismantling of the Bills offense since he was hired and given general control of player personnel along with his and Beane's failure to provide Allen with an adequate OL and a NFL caliber WR corps. If I had ever done my job as incompetently as these two have "managed" the Bills personnel over 2017 and 2018, my ass would have been out the door ASAP. "Accountability" isn't just for players.
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2 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:
At all costs do not sign this guy. It’s funny driving to work yesterday I thought about this exact senario. I live an hour from met life and my local media is all jets and Giants. This guy is absolutely terrible. And I thought for once, I was going to be the guy saying living here you hear about this guy all the time and you don’t want him. And I was afraid if he shook loose, the Bills would be dumb enough to think he was a 1st rounder, let’s try and resurrect it. Do not sign this guy under any circumstances. He is terrible. That will not change.
The Bills "can't afford" to keep their own talented players but they apparently can always find the $$$ and draft picks to trade for some other team's first round bust, so I figure that it's a real possibility that Ereck Flowers winds up on the Bills. After all, if he was a first round pick, he must have shown "something".
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10 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:
Don't care about personality... well then you don't understand any sort of team game, which breaks down to individual people and personal interactions.
Titans offensive coordinator Matt LeFleur is a Shanahan and McVay disciple, supposedly one of the most innovative offensive minds in the game today... their modern NFL offense got them a whopping 4 field goals against this McDermott coached team that you despise so much.
Just support your damn team and the next time a big time position opens with the Bills coaching staff, throw your resume in the pile - I'm sure they'll give you a long hard look.
Another TSW nazi censor wannabe heard from. If you want to be a cheerleader for the current crappy Bills regime, be my guest, but don't presume to tell others what they can post.
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Get a clue. Those comparing McDermott to Jauron aren't doing so because of a physical resemblance or similar demeanor. ?
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2 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:
It's still early but you have to say these guys have done a great job of building the defense. It's starting to look really good and they've made some great pick-ups.
Once they decide to actually concentrate on the offense you have to have a little more faith that they'll build a good unit.
If we end up with a defense that plays like this and an offense that can actually score points, we'll be deadly. Imagine a team trying to play catch-up from a couple of TDs down against our defense the way it played today.
The Bills defense is hardly "great". It's good enough to stop flat teams. It's good enough to limit meh-offensive teams, but I seriously doubt that they can stop better offenses.
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1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said:
That's the point. Get high picks, refill talent and rings will come
This is a pipe dream. Teams rarely even get to the Super Bowl without being regular playoff contenders for several seasons before they can even challenge for the Super Bowl, so they aren't going to get high draft picks unless they trade up like Philly did for Wentz in 2016 which means they either give up current talent or future talent to do so. More importantly, simply collecting high draft picks doesn't guarantee on field success as the Browns have demonstrated for the last decade.
FTR, in the 18 Super Bowls in this century (2000-2017 seasons), 4 teams have accounted for 11 of the SBs: NE (5), Baltimore (2), Giants (2), and Pitt (2) while perennial playoff contenders Eagles, Broncos, Seahawks, Colts, Saints, and Packers all won 1 each. Tampa Bay was a playoff team for a number of seasons before winning the SB, but hasn't been back since, and hasn't really been a regular playoff contender since.
Like the SB winners, the 6 other teams -- Falcons, Panthers, 49ers, Bears, Raiders, and Rams -- played in the Super Bowl since 2001 without winning a ring were all regular playoff contenders when they got their SB shots.
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KC now up 30-7 over Jax.
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Cinci has scored a TD. Miami 17, Cinci 10 just starting the fourth quarter.
Browns up on Ravens 9-6 at the end of the third.
Cinci just intercepted Tannehill on a weird play for a pick 6. 17 all.
Jax finally scored a TD. 23-7 KC late in the third.
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KC is putting a licking on Jax, 23-0 about 2/3 of the way through the third quarter.
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2 minutes ago, Nitro said:
Depth is needed. You sir are a entitled to your opinion and yuck it up. Polian was the last good GM they had.
Polian was a great GM but he built his teams in an entirely different era. His last years in Indy suggests that he wsn't a particularly good GM for the salary-cap era.
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Reddick sounds like just the kind of player that McDermott and Beane love: a failed first round draft pick that another team wants to peddle with three or four years left on his rookie contract.
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15 hours ago, NoSaint said:
My line of the thought is that if you are in a dysfunctional situation long term, you are likely part of the dysfunction too, right?
in Whaley’s case- he was in the organization long term so when he was promoted I see 3 takes:
1) he thought it was ok, which isn’t ok.
2) he thought it was not ok and thought he could effect change to secure control over very basic job duties and failed- which he has some ownership over.
3) he thought it was improper but didn’t try to change it- obviously also bad from an executive leader.
at some level, part of his job is being able to maintain the power and leadership to effectively manage the team, and for whatever reasons he could not accomplish that.
IIRC, Whaley and Brandon were pals going back to their college days or something like that, which is probably why he was originally hired to assist Gailey. I think Whaley was on board with Brandon's "money ball" philosophy, and accepted the Bills weird organizational structure where the GM was pretty much subservient to the HC as well being dictated to by FO bean-counters.
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3 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:
Would even the “GOAT” hoodie savant’s swings and misses along the way disqualify him in your book then? https://www.thesportster.com/football/questionable-moves-the-patriots-have-made-in-the-brady-belichick-era/
you can’t expect every single move to pan out. Also, these moves aren’t done in a vacuum. Scouting dept, GM takes?
I don't "expect every single move to pan out" but some offensive decisions panning out would be nice. I just love watching ex-Bills who weren't good enough to play for the Bills tearing up defenses on playoff teams like NE, Philly, LA, and KC.
You obviously love waiting ... and waiting ... and waiting ... for the Bills to build an offense that's NOT lost in the 1980s. Enjoy the wait.
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12 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:
I’ve never quite understood this logic that a lot of posters have spread on these threads, that just because McD comes from defense, then he automatically doesn’t value/understand offensive football. What does a defense have to stop? Another defense? Of course not. Offensive football. So someone who understands D and is good at it, would have to by extension understand what types of offenses are currently “cutting-edge” and what sort of problems they present to a D in working to stop it at a schematic level; thus if you succeed, making you an opposite but equal “reaction” to the offense to be able to most effectively stop it. My point is, from a philosophy standpoint he should be quite understanding of what a good offense looks like—you hire the offensive OC to make the sausage that you may not be as up on, what goes in to the seasoning of it, Daboll’s been letting him down on that front obviously, which was made plain in McD’s postgame pressers this week. But oblivious to offense? Hardly. He’s a HC, and is fully aware of the need to be on top of both sides of the ball now. Otherwise, what’s the point of even having one? Go into a game with coordinators only?
Numerous defensive minded HCs have put together good/great offenses. Belichick is probably the most notable. But there have been some other HCs from defensive backgrounds who have attempted to win by with strong defensives and run oriented offenses that didn't lose games. The 1985 Bears under Ditka are probably the prime example, but this is NOT the same NFL as in 1985 or even 2005 when the Bears went 11-5 with the same formula with rookie Kyle Orton under center. In 2018 when offense rules, and yet McDermott is trying to build a team to be competitive in 1985.
McDermott's is the guy who makes the decisions on personnel, and these decisions say he's clueless or disinterested or both when it comes to the offense.
- He was the guy who chose Zay Jones over JuJu Smith-Schuster and traded up to get him.
- He was the guy who decided that he didn't want Sammy Watkins on his team which completed the total dismantling of the most talented WR corps the Bills have had in this century -- and filled the Bills WR corps with has beens, never weres, and low draft picks and UDFA rookies.
- He was the guy who was okay with replacing two top notch OLers with backups and bottom feeders and trading away the best LT the Bills have had since they traded away future HOFer Jason Peters just because they had a rookie LT who played decently.
- He's the guy who kept Peterman and allowed McCarron to be traded away just because Peterman looked good against scrubs in preseason.
If those four moves don't convince you that McDermott isn't the guy to build a competitve team going forward, I'm not sure anything can.
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2 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:
Sounds like Whaley was GM half the time he was officially the GM. Too many others had their fingers in the pie. IMO, Whaley didn’t really get a fair shake here as GM.
That's pretty much been part of the Bills "culture" for decades. Chuck Knox left because of it. Bill Polian was fired because he had an issue with Litman, Ralph's son-in-law. Whaley wasn't really an independent GM as most teams have as I think he was either equal to or subservient to the HC du jour. Brandon always had his sticky fingers in personnel matters going back to 2006 when he hired Jauron and installed Marv Levy as a figurehead GM. Probably Overdorf, too.
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6 hours ago, FrankReichComeback#14 said:
Take this for what it’s worth. On the most recent episode of the Bills Beat podcast Joe B and Fairburn get a bit into evaluating McDermott and Beane. The subject of Whaley comes up.
Many have debated what Whaley’s role was in selecting EJ. If you remember he was officially named GM after the 2013 draft, though many speculated he took over for Buddy Nix unofficially before then. So while Buddy was technically GM when the selection was made, many felt it was Whaley’s call.
Joe B isn’t one of them. He said that he refuses to believe Whaley was involved with the pick. He thinks EJ was 100% a Buddy Nix move and that Whaley was playing “good soldier” and went along with the pick.
What that doesnt explain is why Whaley overspent to trade for Sammy Watkins the next year. It seemed as though that was a result of him trying to justify the selection on EJ.
Either way, that’s what Joe B thinks
This isn't hard to figure out. It's called putting your QB in a position to succeed, which is a tried and true strategy (see LA Rams, KC Chiefs, Philadelphia Eagles, etc). The Bills drafted WRs Robert Woods (2nd) and Marquise Goodwin (3rd) in 2013, OTs Cyrus Kouandijo (2nd) and Seantrel Henderson (7th) in 2014, and OG John Miller (3rd) in 2015. He also signed LG Richie Incognito and TE Charles Clay in 2015 as UFAs and traded for LeSean McCoy. Even though Manuel was a bust, the offensive players Whaley assembled enabled the Bills to field mid-pack offenses with Kyle Orton and Tyrod Taylor at QB until McDermott decided talent on offense was apparently superflous.
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24 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
I'm one who has lived it and developed it. Your statement indicates you don't have a clue. Instead of blowing hot air, answer the one question I have posed: name one successful organization that does not have a successful culture.
You aren't the only who has "lived it" in the corporate world, dude, and you're just incorrect when you claim that you "developed it" because a corporate/organizational culture can't be "developed" by a single individual or even several individuals like a facilities maintenance plan or a new software program. It develops pretty much on its own over time from a series of interactions between management and employees. What you've described in your past posts seems much more like a corporate philosophy or a mission statement (for non-profits) which also brings customers/clients into the equation rather than culture, although the corporate/organizational culture can certainly impact customers/clients.
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2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
I don't know that I agree with you here. Culture, in reality, is the set of beliefs, assumptions and expectations that govern how people within an organization actually interact and behave. Culture as spoken about by management, is often the expression of an aspirational set of values that are observed by the rank-and-file not to match behaviors that are in practice rewarded.
This is pretty much the accepted definition/description of corporate/organizational culture. Culture develops endemically over time based on the actual interactions between management and employees, not on management edicts or pep talks. Like a society's culture, a corporate culture develops over a long time without a distinct beginning or end unless there's some cataclysmic event -- like a change of ownership of a football team -- that results in massive personnel changes at the very top of the corporate food chain which changes the way the organization is run.
The Bills have a culture, but it's not at all what McDermott -- and his supporters on TSW -- claim it is. It's pretty much the same culture that developed under Russ Brandon's aegis since he was put in charge of the Bills in 2006 after Tom Donahoe was fired. When Pegula purchased the Bills in 2013, if he wanted to change the team's direction, he should have parted ways with Russ Brandon, Doug Whaley, Jim Overdorf, etc and brought in his own people from the top down. Instead, he kept Brandon and his top henchmen. McDermott and Beane were hired because they fit the Bills culture that had developed under Brandon, which is why the Bills seem to being doing similar things under the new regime that they did under the previous regime and the one before that ... The real difference is that Beane and the scouting department he assembled after Whaley and the old scouts were fired seem to be incompetent as talent evaluators which accentuates McDermott's failure to field a competitive NFL team because of his "my way or the highway" philosophy.
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2 hours ago, buffalobloodfloridahome said:
My theory behind why they drafted a QB was that this was a once in a generation QB deep draft that doesn't come around often. I don't think they planned on or even wanted him to play this year especially without Wood and Richie on the line. Unfortunately Peterman who I had hope for was so incompetent he was forced into action. We have 90 million in free agency next year. We already drafted Kyle Williams replacement with Dirty Harry and we can find another DE/LB to fill the gap if ZO leaves as well. Next year will be a heavy offense driven draft where we need to load up on Oline and WR's/Playmakers.
Who says that this was a "once in a generation QB deep draft that doesn't come around often except for media draft mavens and draft picks' agents spreading hype? Every single one of the top five prospects in 2018 had serious flaws, and because of that, there wasn't a consensus #1 pick. Between 2000 and 2016, there have been four other drafts that yielded at least four first round QBs prospects: 2003, 2004, 2011, 2012. Carson Palmer came out of the 2003 as the #1 consensus pick. Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, and Ben Roethlisberger all came out of 2004, with Eli being the consensus #1. In 2011, Cam Newton, again the #1 consensus pick, was the only successful QB. In 2012, only the #1 consensus pick, Andrew Luck, and Ryan Tannehill found success from among the first round picks*. So, in these supposedly "extra deep" QB drafts, only 7 of the 16 first rounders were/are decent NFL starters, which is about 44%. Since all of the consensus first rounders hit, only 3 of the other 12 first rounders were successful, which is a pitiful 25%, which means that how many highly rated (or more likely, highly hyped) QBs are in a draft class is irrelevant. It's totally on the quality of the QB prospects available, not how many prospects are available, because most drafts yield only 1 good or better QB.
IMO, what is most troubling about the Bills draft in 2018 is that it appears that they decided to draft a first round QB well before they even knew what QBs would be available in the draft which suggests that they weren't looking at a specific prospect or two, but just "a first round QB". That smells just like the Bills decision to draft "a first round QB" in 2013 regardless of the quality of the prospects just to placate the fan base. In fact, the Bills signaled they were committed to drafting a first round QB in 2018 by trading away Taylor (in 2013, the Bills released Fitzpatrick just before the start of the new league year). That the Bills treated the offense as an afterthought during FA despite the loss of Wood and Incognito and that after they drafted Allen, they didn't draft another offensive player until almost the end of the fifth round further hints that they drafted Allen primarily to placate the fan base rather than as the cornerstone of a 21st century NFL offense.
I'll reiterate what I've said elsewhere: Allen is being set up to fail by the decisions the McDermott and Beane have made in the past and are likely to make in the future. McDermott doesn't seem to value or understand offensive football, so I'm not at all hopeful that the Bills will invest either $$$ or high draft picks in offensive players.
* The best QB of the 2012 draft is Russell Wilson who was finally taken in the 3rd round. Kirk Cousins, taken in the 4th round, ain't too shabby either, and Nick Foles, taken later in the 3rd round, is an excellent backup/average/low level starter depending upon the system he's in and the talent around him. The second-best QB in the 2011 draft turned out to be second rounder Andy Dalton.
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13 hours ago, Patrick_Duffy said:
The fix? The fix is obviously better linemen needed. Which won't happen til the offseason. And maybe the Oline coach may have a little to do with it. ?
The "fix" is to can McDermott and his henchman Beane. The Bills offensive and defensive performances this season attest to exactly how incompetent these two are.
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On 10/4/2018 at 6:07 PM, billsfan89 said:
It's been an ugly season so far. But its not like the Bills don't have a long term plan in place for success. The current regime hasn't "shot their shot" yet. So far their drafts have been strong and their free agency periods have had mixed results (2017 with McD and Whaley they did a good job finding some players with limited cap space but in 2018 McBeane's two big free agent acquisitions have been underwhelming at best.) But the current regime has the cap space to build the roster that can have a talent level needed to compete. 2019 will be make or break. 2018 was always a rebuilding year in my mind. They changed from a veteran QB and moved on from some older players. They also had to eat a lot of dead cap to get out from under certain salary cap constraints.
But if they have the cap space in 2019 and can't progress this team they deserved to be **** canned.
What is this great plan??? Turning the clock back to the 1970s? They've made a good start. The current Bills are certainly as uncompetitive in the NFL as they were through most of the 1970s.
On 10/4/2018 at 6:16 PM, matter2003 said:What did you expect? They jettisoned bad contracts and players they did not want, have $50+ million in dead cap this year, and are largely devoid of talent especially on the offensive side of the ball.
The plan wasn't to be good in 2018. The plan was to set the table for next year, take our lumps, likely get a high draft pick and go into next year with $90+ million in cap space to sign FAs.
Now, there is no guarantee their plan will actually work once they implement it. But make no mistake about it, they have a very detailed plan and are following it to a T
ROTFLMAO. So, these clowns have spent 2 seasons getting ready to implement their great plan to turn the clock back to the 1970s? Got it.
On 10/4/2018 at 7:55 PM, Scott7975 said:Except this is the first time in a very long time a staff has done this. The last few staffs were always about win now which led them to bad decisions in drafts and in contracts. That is the reason we are where we are today. The status quo wasn't doing us any good... as you have lived through for the last decade. Whether this staff can properly build a team now that the resources are in place to do so, I don't know but I am at least going to see if they can before I pull out my pitchfork.
Everyone is all upset that we jettisoned all this talent because we were clearly on the verge of something. That was the thinking for the last 10 years... maybe if we throw 100 mil at this one more player we can make the playoffs. This is what kept us in the gutter. This staff wants to get away from that and I commend them for it. Next year is the year we should start seeing some semblance of a team.
Bull manure! Since the Bills got rid of the last "my way or the highway" jackass (Dick Jauron) in 2009, they've had GMs who knew personnel (Nix and Whaley) and HCs who were at least smart enough not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The current regime is another "my way or the highway" HC with his 1970s mentality with control over personnel and a GM with no personnel experience -- and the sad state of the current Bills reflects that. The longer these two are in charge, the further the Bills will fall behind the rest of the NFL.
11 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:Not fixated. But do you really want to pay Cousins or Bradford millions of dollars to sit behind Allen and teach him? Matt Moore has opted out (voluntarily). That left Bridgwater and ——————— (fill in the blank). Point is, there are no quality vet mentors that will take “vet mentor” money.
Excuses, excuses, excuses.
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23 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
McVay built such a great bridge with Sammy they kept him for one year and weren't interested in resigning him. Dareus has like 9 tackles in 4 games this year. Gordon has played one game in NE and that means Belichick has built a bridge? Watch that"bridge" crumble if and when Gordon screws up again.
Oh, and Milano? Defensive player of the week two weeks ago. I think a lot of teams would be happy to have him.
Finally, cap space. They made a commitment to get out from under contracts that were weighing down the team. Dareus being the prime example. You don't give a huge contract to a guy half assing it through games.
Point 1: McVay tried to re-sign Watkins but KC offered more.
Point 2: One good game against a flat team doesn't make a career. Milano is nothing special, and I'll stand by my statement that he might not make the rosters of many NFL teams.
Point 3: The poster I questioned claimed that Pegula insisted on cutting cap commitments by the end of 2018. I don't believe that's true in any form. As I said, maybe Pegula wanted them to cut the amount the Bills actually spent on player salaries in 2018 and going forward, but that's not the same thing as "fixing the cap situation", whatever that means.
20 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:Ah. But are you talking Belichick*** now, or Belichick*** when he took over Carroll's 8-8 Patriots and led them to 5-11 his first year?
I think if you cared to look carefully at the roster of the Pats back in those years and how they played, you'll find that Belichick indeed changed his scheme to fit the young players he had. All the pruning he did was of older guys.
If he brought in new guys, sure, they fit his scheme.
2 decades later sure, he picks players who fit his scheme. Why shouldn't he?
That's the luxury you earn through 2 decades of success, where FA want to come to you and play for a proven winner.
A more persuasive analogy would be to look at what coaches and GMs who have recently turned teams around have done.
Jaguars for example, or if that one is too painful, Rams or Eagles.
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Except that the Jags, Rams and Eagles new HCs all kept their teams' best players and built around them, so that would be the opposite of McDermott and Beane. Hell, Marrone even replaced Bortles as his starting QB during 2017 preseason IIRC in order to put him on notice to get his act together -- and he did. And Dareus doesn't seem to have any trouble fitting into the Jags' "culture".
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7 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:
We trade our number one for a kings ransom and build the offense. Heck take both those wide receivers from Ole Miss! Ha
Probably not. Since the Bills will have the #1 pick, McDermott and Beane will trade the rest of their picks for the #8 pick so that they can draft a DE and another CB.
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7 hours ago, Success said:
I’m very torn on this. For starters, we don’t have a choice.
The selfish part of me wants to just see him play, now. I also like the idea that he’ll have a lot of game experience when they can finally surround him with talent, so he’ll be ready and we won’t have to go through the usual growing pains.
But he’s really getting beat up out there, and a lot of this isn’t fair to him.
Who's fault is it that there's nobody else to start but Allen? I'll say what Dilfer was too circumspect to say: McDermott and Beane are not only setting up Allen to fail, they're using him as a fail-safe excuse to keep their jobs despite the awful team they've put on the field.
A few thoughts about the Titans game, in no particular order
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Unfortunately, while trading McCoy would be good for Shady, nothing is going to help the Bills offense with the current coaching staff.