[TNF Commanders - Packers (No Bills Discussion)]

Ekeler is feared to have a torn Achilles per NFLN stream.  He'll have a MRI today to confirm it.

[Well, another worthless stat..total QBR]

5 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

If that’s what the analytics say then they need to invent an entirely new formula for Josh Allen because he continues to defy the odds. I understand your point, but you won’t even consider mine.
 

You have a 2 time MVP QB and a HOF RB. All you need is 3 yards to pick up the first down and ice the game. Your offense has been successful albeit an uncharacteristical (idk if that’s even a Fing word) fumble by Henry and a couple stalled drives.
 

Your other option is to kick to a red hot Bills offense who just put up nearly 250 yards of offense on you in ONE quarter and you’re  on the ROAD. Come on, man. 🤦‍♂️ 

 

Agree.  I don't know if Harbaugh lost confidence in his offense or if he had too much confidence in his defense.  Maybe his choice to punt was just a knee-jerk reaction.   

 

The Ravens, ie, Henry, were running at will over the Bills defense.  Lamar escaped the Bills pass rush at least twice for big yardage plus some other shorter runs.   It was highly unlikely that the Bills defense could have stopped Henry or even Lamar from getting three yards.  OTOH, the Ravens D was struggling and needed help from a bad spot to stop Allen. 

 

Moreover, even if the Ravens failed to make the first down, they could have run the clock down to less than a minute with no time outs.  Giving Allen -- and most top NFL QBs -- more than a minute to take their team down the field for a potential game winning kick is asking to lose because you're counting on the kicker to miss.  It happens regularly when good teams face this situation.  As it was, even without time outs, the Bills moved downfield so fast that they had time to kneel twice before kicking the game winner.  

[Have the Jets ever felt like a real rival?]

3 hours ago, chris heff said:

I lived in NYC for a number of years of years, also spent summers and then lived for a few years in the Hamptons. New Yorkers have a right to love that City, it is a microcosm of who we are. The Borough of Queens is the most diverse place on the planet. When I first moved to NYC a Cab driver asked me how long I’d been in New York, I told him a few months, he said “when you’ve lived here for six months you’re a New Yorker, welcome to The City, good luck.”  Today especially, fandom aside, let’s show some love and respect. 
 

 

I always found people who actually live/lived in the city to generally be really nice.  It's the Long Islanders who tend to give New Yorkers a bad name.   Too many act like they're better than everyone else simply because they live near NYC ... especially when they decide to go to college Upstate.  

[Game Week thread - Bills at Jets]

7 minutes ago, billybob71 said:

Horse step on his foot?

That was my first thought when I read he seemed ok at practice yesterday.   Been there, done that.

[Game Week thread - Bills at Jets]

5 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

The Bengals?

 

I fear that team not at all

 

 

I don't either.   They really didn't seem to do much to improve their weaknesses, simply standing pat on both sides of the ball unless their rookies play like HOFers early on.   Their OL will likely get Burrow injured sooner or later.  He took a beating from the Browns.

[Game Week thread - Bills at Jets]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

I don't mean to derail this thread. Bills defense still bad as ever. Then again, it was Lamar Jackson and King Henry's Baltimore Ravens. They're extremely difficult to stop for any defense. We have to give our team a pass on that.

 

As for the Jets, we'll see.

 

Why is Green Bay seemingly over hyped this year?

 

 

 

The Ravens defense gave up 41 points, blowing a 13 point lead with < 5 minutes to play.   Obviously, they didn't play all that well; they just looked better doing it for most of the game, like this was figure skating or something.   While Allen lead the 4th quarter charge, the Bills D started to come around in the fourth quarter, too.  

[Game Week thread - Bills at Jets]

1 hour ago, Gregg said:

I honestly think this will be the hardest game for the Bills until they start playing the top contenders. If the Bills can win this, they will probably go on a long winning streak. But most games at the Meadowlands the Bills usually find themselves in a battle. I do expect the Bills to destroy the Dolphins 4 days later after this game. The Bills can get two divisional wins over 4 days, but this one will be the harder one to win. IMHO.

 

If McDaniel gets axed during/after the Miami game, that might not be true.  If the Fins play as poorly as they did in the opener, they very well may have a new HC before Thursday.

[Have the Jets ever felt like a real rival?]

The Jests are annoying pests rather than true rivals, primarily because except for the years under Parcells in the late 1990s and then Ryan for a couple of seasons, they've been pretty pathetic for pretty much the last four decades.    As others have posted, their fans OTOH, are easy to hate.

 

 

[Well, another worthless stat..total QBR]

18 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

Argh...my ADD got me there.  Thought we were discussing actual quarterback rating, not QBR.  As for the total QBR, looks like Josh probably got dinged for his rushing ypc and just the pure amount of "plays" the he was credited with? 

 

No, it didn't.  The original thread was about QB rating.  A second thread about QBR was also created, and then the two were merged, so posters are discussing QB rating, QBR, and both.

 

12 hours ago, colin said:

I'm a big effeciency stat fan, but these analytics were made to tell the story that production alone does not.

 

What they don't do, is entirely replace production.

 

Allen produced a career day for most QBs, and an absolutely solid day in the 4th quarter alone.

 

Lamar was more efficient but he dropped back like 22 times, and a ton of contribution to his team came in that magic sack avoiding (20yard loss sack at that) scramble on 3rd and 10.

 

The ravens crushed us on every single non scoring metric, except time of possession and total plays/yards.  If Allen threw a couple extra incompletes between big passes to get us down the field for the go ahead score, or if keon ran it in with the clock expiring vs the kick, that would impact his efficiency numbers but would mean didly squat in the context of winning the game.

 

What QB stats can't measure is what are frequently called "intangibles", the special abilities that some QBs have that separate them from equally and, sometimes, even more talented, QBs.  Josh Allen has always had leadership and will-to-win in spades, even in his rookie season when he wasn't a particularly great passer.

[The Nostalgia Thread]

On 8/16/2025 at 10:14 PM, Wacka said:

Back during the late 70s oil embargo, Gas was cheaper in  Canada than the USA. One time drove to Ft. Erie to fill up. At the border when the guy asked where you were going, just said "To buy gas."

 

It's hard for younger people today to imagine how easy it was to travel back and forth between Canada and the US back then.  We took crossing an international border without a second thought.  A bunch of us would go to Ft Erie a couple of times a month for Chinese food at Happy Jack's, which is still on Niagara Blvd a half century later BTW.  People went for gas.  They went to play bingo.  They went camping at Sherkston.   Some Buffalonians owned cottages around Ft Erie and along Lake Erie towards Crystal Beach.  School kids went on field trips to the attractions in Niagara Falls, ON or to the Toronto Zoo or the Ontario Science Center.   Kids from the West Side of Buffalo would ride their bikes across the Peace Bridge to fish.

 

A friend and I went on a vacation in the Thousand Islands/Adirondaks back in the 1970s, and we drove across a totally unguarded/unmanned border crossing somewhere between Massena (we stopped to see the locks) and Plattsburgh.   There was a little building like a toll booth with a couple windows and a door and a sign that said something like "Welcome to Quebec/Bienvenue Quebec".    Not a soul around but us, so we went through. 

[JA - AFC Offensive Player of the Week]

2 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

It’s getting tougher to find any faults at all…Lamar has kinda been ascending the same way it’s awesome to see both those guys prove everyone wrong about everything haha 

 

 

What I find really awesome -- and ironic -- is that both of these QBs came out of the same draft class, and that 2 QB-needy teams passed on Allen and 3 or more QB-needy teams passed on Lamar.  Most drafts don't produce even 1 great QB.  Outstanding franchise QBs come along maybe every third draft or so, although most drafts do product one or two good starting QBs.   I think that the 2018 QB draft is going to come close to the legendary 1983 draft that produced 3 HOFers (Elway, Kelly, Marino) plus a couple of other solid starters.  Allen and Lamar are future HOFers, and Baker and even Darnold have become quality starters.   For a long time, I thought that the 2004 QB class was 2nd best with Eli, Rivers, and Roethlisberger likely future HOFers, too, but none of these three were ever close to Allen and Lamar. 

 

What Allen and Lamar have done and do on the field is simply beyond what even the greats of 1983 ever did.   They've changed the game with some help from their nemesis, Mahomes (QB class of 2017).   Teams are now looking for great passers who can also run like RBs first rather than dismissing them. While the era of the QB who ran only under duress was fading away for couple of decades, Allen and Lamar made them extinct.  Tom Brady was probably the last of the great QBs who rarely ran.

 

Allen has also put to lie the belief that QBs cannot become more accurate passers as pros.   In that respect, he's a little better than Lamar IMO because he had to overcome so much more from a mechanics standpoint as well as learning to master his own emotions on the field.

 

 

 

[Game Week thread - Bills at Jets]

3 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Last time I checked, we are quite good at doing both. 

 

Some people don't let facts influence their agendas. 

 

3 hours ago, Tulsabillsfanz said:

Interesting stats from NFL week 1:

 

Top scoring teams:

1.  Buffalo 41

2. Baltimore 40

3. Pittsburgh 34

4. Indianapolis 33

5. NY Jets  32

 

The other 27 teams scored between 6 & 27 points, with an average of 17.8 points per team. 
 

The Bills & Jets games were by far the highest scoring games in week one.  
 

Defense will be the emphasis for both team’s practices this week. 

 

Teams change alot from one season to the next.  Starters don't play much in preseason.   Both offenses and defenses play vanilla schemes.  The coaching staffs make their Week 1 plans as best they can based mostly on last season's performances. That's a recipe for poor play on one or both sides of the ball, which is what we saw from both the Bills and the Ravens on Sunday night ... and the Jests and Steelers among others.

 

2 hours ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

I'm quite sure McDermott's approach isn't what transpired. The players still need to play well, regardless of the approach. It was week 1, we DO have some undersized players on D, and the Ravens ARE a great team. We were always going to give up points and yards to the Ravens. We just were. Sure, lots of the D didn't play well, but again, I don't think it's because McDermott had a bad plan.

 

Don't you know that McDermott is so bad at everything that even McDaniel is better ... he just doesn't have the right QB?

 

/sarcasm off

[Game Week thread - Bills at Jets]

7 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Every week people here find a reason to have a "bad feeling about this game."

 

They do but at least we got 1 weeks worth of tape of their new look offense and defense. We will be ok. Fields is no Lamar. I also don't think Pitts defense is the same standard as their defense of the past.

 

Over on TheGangGreen.com, many Jests fans are expecting their boys to get steamrolled by the Bills:

 

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It will probably be more of the same against Buffalo.

 

They will turn the Jets over 2 or 3 times, draw some killer personal fouls, especially when the Jets try to hit or touch Josh Allen.

 

Allen will have 2 tush push touchdowns and throw at least 1 up to that tall wideout who will bully the corner opposite Sauce Gardner for a touchdown. Bills cover the 8.5 spread easy  

 

TheGangGreen

[The Tyreek Hill Thread]

On 9/9/2025 at 5:54 AM, Niagara Dude said:

All comes down to QB position,  you swap McDERMOTT with McDaniels and we most likely get past Chiefs in the playoffs.  McDaniels got stuck with TUA who is not even a top 10 QB in this league

 

    Only in your very special universe, not in the real world.

[Did the Bills win, or di the Ravens lose?]

2 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

I don't know how coincidental it is they the Ravens always seem to make a critical mistake. That seems to be how they're at this point. Major credit to the Bills for being in position to capitalize on that if and when it occurred.  

 

Somebody upthread wrote that he thought the Bills were in the Ravens' heads.   I don't think that it's the Bills in the Ravens' heads; it's the Ravens in their own heads, including Harbaugh's.   In critical games against good teams, especially in the playoffs, the Ravens seem to be their own worst enemy.  Lamar fumbles and/or throws interceptions.  Reliable veteran receivers drop what should be easy catches.  Henry, who hardly ever fumbles, fumbles.  Harbaugh, who's actually a great coach, makes questionable play calls that give their opponents second or even third chances.

 

 

 

 

[What a week 1! Some thoughts...]

1 hour ago, JP51 said:

So yeah, I agree we have problems... but if we have problems on D, so do the Ravens..  I may be whistling here but I am gonna go with 2 defenses playing 2 offenses that were just dominant...  points gonna happen. 

 

This is how I look at it, too. 

 

Two things to keep in mind about week 1 defenses:

• NFL defenses are tailored to specific opponents but in Week 1 defenses are working off last season's offenses, which may have changed significantly with changes in coaching and personnel.
• Most NFL teams play their starters relatively few snaps in pre-season, so veteran defenders don't play too much, and starting units may hardly play together at all.

Years ago, it was always said that the defenses tended to be ahead of the offenses early in the season.  I think this has reversed in modern NFL because the defenses are so much more sophisticated than they were even a decade ago that it takes defenses more playing time to get up to speed than they get in preseason.   

 

I also don't think that the Bills are going to face a tougher offense than the Ravens' this regular season.  The Ravens can easily have the best running game in the NFL paired with a top five passing game led by a QB who can also run like a RB.  Even teams like the Eagles don't present quite the challenge of the Ravens.

 

If the Bills defense fails against a team like the Jests, then it's time to start worrying, but this week, enjoy the win.

[Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory games]

Wide Right.

 

Music City Miracle.

 

13 Seconds.

[9/7/25 Other games chat (Around the League)]

Colts up 16-0 over Fish.

 

Giants got stopped on 4th and goal but get new downs with a defensive penalty.

[9/7/25 Other games chat (Around the League)]

6 minutes ago, jcamm1966 said:

Panthers could be very improved this year

Saints have a chance for a 0 fore this year

 

Bryce Young certainly improved after his benching last season, so it's very possible for him to make another big jump this season, too.  I think the Panthers needed to improve their defense, and if they've done that, they could be in the mix to make the playoffs if Tampa stumbles.

[9/7/25 Other games chat (Around the League)]

3 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

You can almost see the season's script for the Browns already. If they're bad early on everyone will be cheering for Sanders. If he turns out to play like crap when he does finally start his dad and fanboys will all be saying the coaches aren't using him correctly and not playing to his strengths. After the season the coaching staff and FO will get fired and Sanders will become head coach.

 

Why the hate for Shedeur Sanders?   Did he ask for all the media speculation about him going #1 in the draft?   I think he's dealt with the reality very well.  Hate on his dad if you've got to hate.   If the coaching staff and FO listen to fans, then they deserve to be fired.

[The KC Vs Chargers game implications for the Bills]

21 hours ago, T.E. said:

I don't know why you guys torture yourselves with this stuff. This team loses 1-2 games in stupid fashion every year that kills their chance at the 1 seed, and this year will be no different.

 

If you feel this way, why do you bother posting on TSW, Nostradamus?   

 

I think this game's implication for the Bills is that it sets the Chiefs behind all the other contenders in the AFC and in the AFCW in particular.  The Chiefs are going to be hurting for the next 5-6 weeks at WR because of Rice's suspension and Worthy's injury.  Poor OL play hampered the Chiefs' passing game last year, and even if they've added some young talent, it's going to take time for the youngsters to get their feet.  The Chiefs next two opponents are the Eagles and Ravens.  They could start 0-3, and only 4 teams (about 2.5%-2.7%) have made the playoffs after starting 0-3 since 1990.   Since 1990, 25% of teams starting 1-2 have made the playoffs.  

 

If the Broncos and/or Chargers can capitalize on KC's early weaknesses and tough schedule, the Chiefs could be down 2 games to one or both before the halfway mark of the season.   That might be enough to put them scrambling for a WC slot rather than for the division.  Wild card teams can't get home field unless they face another WC team.

[9/7/25 Other games chat (Around the League)]

I'm going to enjoy watching Red Zone today. 

 

Steelers vs Jests is Rodgers vs Fields in Met Life.  I have NFL Gameday Morning on.   They are really trying to talk up Fields. IMO, the only reason anybody cares about Fields is because he was such a high draft pick.   Mariucci (I think) was talking about how Fields has improved every year.  Unfortunately, that improvement hasn't been significant enough to make Fields a good QB.  It's likely to be raining during at least the first half which I think favors Pitt.   I think the Stillers win because they're simply a better team than the J-E-S-T-S.

 

I'm most interested in Fishies vs Colts at Lucas Oil, Titans vs Broncos in Mile High and Giants vs Commanders in Northwest in Landover.

 

I want to see how Sam Darnold and Geno Smith look with new teams, and get a look at JJ McCarthy.

 

28 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Browns opening 6 games are brutal. The radio guys and fans here have deluded themselves into thinking they can win 8 games. They have a chance today because they match up well with Cinci. If they lose today however they will be 0-6 soon.

 

Cleveland's DL vs Cinci's OL seems likely to determine the Brownies' fate in this game.   If Garrett and Co can get after Burrow, they have a chance.  Last year that Bengals' OL was pretty shaky, and they didn't do much to improve it.

14 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I dislike Rodgers. But I dislike the Jets more. I hope he scorches the heck out of them. Would be absolutely hysterical.

 

Especially with the game in Met Life!

[The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse]

46 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Tyreek had major character concerns. That’s why he went so late.

 

So, maybe Tyreek would have gone in the 3rd or 4th round.  Worthy isn't another Tyreek.  He's just a small fast WR.

 

38 minutes ago, HerdMenatlity1 said:

I haven’t seen this mentioned anywhere but, last season Worthy had 59 rec. at a 10.9 yd per rec clip. 
Coleman had 29 rec , but at a 19.2 yd per rec clip. I know it’s about half the receptions (due to injury) but, it SHOULD be hard to ignore that difference in the yards per receptions. Wasn’t Worthy supposed to be the bigger down field threat between the two? 

 

The problems the Chiefs had with their OL probably limited their ability to throw downfield as much any lack of downfield threats, so I think that probably affected Worthy's yards per catch.   Mahomes frequently didn't have time to let long downfield plays develop.   That crappy OL play really bit the Chiefs in the arse in the SB because the Eagles D didn't give Mahomes to hit short passes until the game was out of reach.

[The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse]

23 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

You’re not necessarily wrong, but I think the Chiefs believed they had that luxury. I don’t think all GM’s value big physical every down receivers the way fans do. I agree, they were desperate for the next Tyreek Hill, but Hill became a superstar, and he certainly wasn’t the type of prototype dominant receiver I grew up watching. 

 

 

Tyreek was a fifth round pick.  Day three is where small but fast guys tend to go.  Big but fast guys are much harder to find, which is why they tend to go Day 1 or Day2.

 

If Mahomes had had better protection last February, the Chiefs might have had their "threepeat" but they didn't, and all of Worthy's fancy SB stats were meaningless. 

[The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse]

2 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

KC was in the position where they have the luxury of drafting a player with a limited skillset. It was toward the end of the first round, and I’m sure they viewed him as a role player, but one who could contribute to more Super Bowl wins. 

 

They didn't have "the luxury of drafting a player with a limited skillset" in the first round.  They needed another every down WR plus a better OT than they had as well some youth on their DL.   They were desperate to add another speed demon like Tyreek, so they were willing to overlook Worthy's negatives to get that speed.