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  1. On 5/6/2025 at 11:06 AM, Cash said:

     

    My take is a little different: I think they're taking a swing at having a real superstar for once, and being relevant.  No one cares about the Jags.  No one's ever cared about the Jags.  Trevor Lawrence is a good(?) QB, but not cool enough to be a major star without major wins.  Hunter is potentially the coolest player in a long time.  And as a bonus, he's from Georgia and appears happy to be playing close to home.  A potential superstar who actually wants to be there?  That could be a game changer for a franchise like Jacksonville.

     

    If Hunter makes it as a two-way player in any meaningful capacity, he will be the favorite player of a whole generation of young fans.  And it could work on-field as well.  I assume the plan is for Hunter to shore up the pass defense at CB and be functionally the WR2 to BTJ on offense.  (I know the GM has said they're going to lead with WR and ease him into defense.  In the interview I watched, that sounded like an onboarding plan with the goal of Hunter playing both ways this year and beyond.)

     

    It was a move worthy of the Bills ex-GM/evil genius Russ Brandon, made to put butts in the seats and the suites with little regard of its impact on the team on the field.   Hunter is a great talent, but the draft capital the Jags gave up to get him should only be spent on a franchise QB prospect, not a WR or a WR/part-time CB prospect. 

  2. 7 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

    AJ Brown complained about his targets all the way to the Super Bowl.

     

    Theres something in the water when it comes to WRs

     

    I think it's part of their psyches.   It's why some very fast young football players become WRs while other just as fast young football players become DBs.   And it seems like the more talented a WR is, the more likely he is to have be a self-absorbed, spoiled diva.

     

     

     

     

     

     

  3. 2 hours ago, Pete said:

    Outside WR must be able to beat press coverage.  They run deeper routes.  They tend to be larger and more athletic than the slot.  Like I previously stated, all outside WR can play the slot, but there aren’t many slot WR than play outside.  That has nothing to do with Fantasy Football.  Your ad hominem input added nothing to our discussion 

    Pats added Kyle Williams, who average over 17 yards a catch last year.  Kyle is a stud WR

     

    Saints still have Adams, don’t they?

     

    Raiders- Have Bowers - the best TE in NFL.  And they drafted Jack Bech- my favorite WR in draft

     

    This thread is supposed to be about how bad the Bills WRs are as a group.   The last time I looked, Bowers isn't a WR, so he doesn't count.  

     

    2 hours ago, Pete said:

    Ok Grasshopper.  In the AFC Championship game, in the Superbowl, I want Josh to have weapons galore, enabling success.  I do not want to see Dalton flailing for a heroic throw, nor Diggs dropping the deep pass from Josh, or offense being crap against Cincy or any of our other offensive failures that ended our playoffs year after year.  How can you be against that?  
     

    league’s change year to year, and it don’t matter what you did last season.  Why would you not want the Bills offense to be improved ?

     

    I want to see Mahomes/Lamar/Burrow and any other QB the Bills play on their way to a Lombardi sacked, hurried, and running for his life because his receivers struggle to beat our secondary, enabling our pass rushers to get home.    If the Bills defense had held the Chiefs to their average points per game in the 2024 AFCCG (22.6), there would have been no need for any final drive heroics by the Bills offense.   The pass rushers couldn't get to Mahomes because his receivers were beating our DBs almost from the get-go.

     

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  4. On 5/5/2025 at 6:24 PM, wjag said:

    Should be interesting to see if anyone will sign him.  He’ll likely lose his Royal Farms gigs too.  
     

    Hard to fathom how he could be caught in same snare when he saw what happened to Watson. 

     

    The allegations stem from incidents that occurred when Tucker was a young player, 10 plus years ago IIRC, years before Deshaun Watson entered the NFL. 

  5. 28 minutes ago, LEBills said:


    Let’s assume you are right. It would be the wrong approach by the Bills to limit their offense that way. It doesn’t have to be a vertical passing attack like Dorsey ran, but you have to at least have that option in your bag or, as others have stated before, defenses will compress the middle of the field and make it even harder for your pass catchers to get open and space for your running backs to run.

     

    So regardless, I am going to say we need to try to draft receivers going forward. 

     

    I don't disagree that the Bills should draft WRs going forward, but I don't think that they should necessarily a) invest in superstar WRs via FA or trade  b) prioritize WRs in the draft to the point that they use too many resources to move up (as I think the Jags did in trading to draft Hunter in this past draft) or pass on a much more likely to succeed prospect also at a position of need.    The 2025 draft was not one for the Bills to grab another WR after they took one last season in the 2nd round, especially given that the Bills need to improve their defense coincided with a great draft for defensive players.

  6. 13 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

    McDermott is a defensive minded coach. I don't think that Beane had the authority to pick a wide receiver in the first round without the approval/consent of McDermott. I do believe that Beane has the power to make trades in order to get players that McDermott and the staff want, but I do not think that he has the final say.

     

    So, we disagree but I appreciate the dialogue.

     

    I think that you see the relationship between Beane and McDermott as much more adversarial than it probably is.  Beane and McDermott are friends and their friendship goes back to their early days together at Carolina.  I also think their philosophies on team building are very similar, too.  I think that the use of "McBeane" by some posters isn't far off the mark in describing how the Bills select talent.  They collaborate not compete.

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  7. 2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

     

    Beane's argument isn't that simple.  

     

    He's also mentioned that we scored 30 points in 8 consecutive games and were the highest scoring team in the NFL last season if you include the playoffs.  The offense was productive even without an elite receiver so maybe that wasn't our biggest need.    


    And he's pointed out, reasonably enough, that you can have All Pros everywhere.  The cap doesn't allow that.

     

    I believe that if you have a unicorn QB, you ought to prioritize two things: the OL and your stable of WRs.  I don't think Beane's done that.  It seems we either have a good OL, or a good group of WRs, but never both at the same time.  Still, there are rational arguments you can make for his approach.  

     

    Every QB, whether he's a unicorn or not, requires protection and targets.   However, that protection and those targets don't necessarily have to be just OL and just WRs.  Bills TEs and RBs block well, and both were integral parts of Brady's offense last season, and a big reason that the Bills were successful on offense in 2024.   Cook breaking a long run is the equivalent of a WR catching a long pass.  The same with Kincaid or Knox making crucial catches ... and frequently WRs, especially the all-world types that some are pining for ... are notoriously poor blockers.

     

    2 hours ago, finn said:

    My counter is that the offense wasn't good enough in the playoffs last, so it stands to reason it won't be enough this year, given what little Beane has changed (let's assume that, yes, some players will improve but others will disappoint or get injured, as happens most every year). Last year, it got bailed out by the defense against Baltimore and failed on its final drive with the game on the line. 

     

    In other words, does it matter that the offense didn't turn the ball over and scored lots of points if they keep losing in the playoffs? We're so used to blaming the defense that we forget that Diggs dropped that pass, Bass missed that field goal, Dawkins missed that block, Kincaid didn't make that kick, and pretty much no one showed up against the Bengals. The facts are plain: The offense hasn't been good enough. 

     

    It's obvious that you are going to die on this hill of "we're doomed to lose in the playoffs because we don't have great WRs".  That's your choice.  I happen to believe that "defense wins championships" is a much higher hill, and it's always better to have the higher ground. 

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  8. 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

    As one other poster mentioned, it’s in a way a misleading question as the teams at the bottom who had cap space were able to improve the most, and those that were already talented would look like they added the least.  Overall, I think the Bills had a decent off season, and time will tell if the defensive upgrade will work.

     

    This is what I thought, too.   It's way things usually go.   Some of the views of the best and worst FA signings were interesting.

  9. On 5/3/2025 at 11:55 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

     

     

    You weren't worried about WR last offseason either.    Then Baltimore and Houston happened.   The latter being one of the worst performances by an NFL QB this century.   Because of insufficient quality at WR.  

     

    So you were proven wrong.    

     

    Beane had to burn a precious 3rd round pick to address it with a player coming off a 1200 yard season that teams had to respect as a deep threat.

     

    And they subsequently produced a full TD more per game after that.  (As Beane is proud to note)

     

    That's the difference between being the 2nd highest scoring offense and finishing 11th(Arizona).

     

    And for further perspective on what that kind of disparity means........the Bills ranked 11th in defensive DVOA last season and the prevailing sentiment among fans and local/national media is that they were bad defensively.

     

     

    Your premise that poor WR play led to the Ravens and Texans losses is simply incorrect.  

     

    In the Ravens game, while the offense was ineffective, the defense was also guilty of playing crappy.  Henry ran 88 yards on the Ravens' first play from scrimmage for a TD, and that essentially set the tone for the rest of the game.  Both sides of the ball sucked.   

     

    In the Houston game, the Bills defense gave up 26 yards and a TD on 2 rushes by Cam Akers and then a 67 yard TD pass to Nico Collins in the first quarter.  After that the Bills defense tightened up and gave up only 3 FGs of 47, 50, and 59 yards the rest of the way with the 59 yarder being the game winner with 2 seconds left.  The defense was missing Rapp (replaced by rookie Cole Bishop) and Shakir was out on the offense.  Allen had one of his worse days as a pro (9/30/131,1,0), but he didn't just miss WRs, and he did hit Coleman for a 49-yard TD pass.   The Houston game could hardly be called an indictment of the Bills WRs since their most productive WR was out and their rookie caught a bomb for a TD.

     

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  10. If you think about it, getting drafted by an NFL team is a really awesome accomplishment.  Approximately 77,000 college students play football in 774 4-year colleges and 123 junior colleges annually.  If you assume that about 1/4 of those are eligible for the NFL draft, that's about 19,000 football players.  The NFL selects about 250 of those, or about 1.4%.

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  11. On 4/29/2025 at 8:04 PM, Augie said:

    My wife recently got an BIG feeder from a retail place in Greenville, SC that does nothing but birds. She also got a hanger that can clamp on the railing of our deck, but it didn’t quite fit. I found it in the bushes below on the second day. 

     

    Our next door neighbor has a full shop in his basement. My recently retired wife ran into Mike in the street, and within 30 minutes we had a pressure treated perch for the feeder we (she, who am I kidding?) can prime and paint. 

     

    I’m just hoping it doesn’t lead to rodents. 

     

    Using hulled sunflower seeds will significantly reduce waste ... which should reduce the rodent population.  Also, don't store your bird seed in your house or even in an attached garage if you can avoid it.   The only time I ever had a mouse in my house that wasn't brought in half dead by one of my cats was the winter that I stored my bird seed on my enclosed back porch.  I moved the seed barrel back to my detached garage, a trap under the sink got the mouse, and no more rodents in the house since, although my current cat occasionally brings in a not-quite-dead chipmunk from the overgrown yard across the street. If you don't have a detached garage or a garden shed to store seed, keeping seed in metal containers (hungry mice, chipmunks and squirrels can gnaw through plastic) and sweeping up any seed that falls on floor should limit the rodents, too.

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  12. I think that the Jags had the stupidest draft: to move up to #2 plus a 4th rounder (#106) and a 6th rounder (#200), they gave up #5, their second round pick (#36) and their fourth (#126) plus their 2026 first rounder ... to draft a WR/DB, Travis Hunter.   I don't care if Hunter is superman, trading that much draft capital for anything but a top rated QB prospect is stupid.  

     

    Trevor Lawrence is in the final year of his rookie contract, so the Jags seriously need to decide if he's worth a second contract, and so far, he hasn't lived up to his #1 pick status, regressing since his sophomore season when he looked really good.  In 10 games in 2024, he threw  for 2045 yards, 11 TDs, and 7 INTs.  I think that getting Lawrence another target is a good move, but they paid way too much for Hunter.   This move smells of something done to placate the fan base and boost attendance.

     

    On 4/30/2025 at 5:14 PM, BullBuchanan said:

    Cleveland is giving themselves as many kicks at the QB can as they can. I can't fault them for doing it as they clearly understand that without an answer, they are finished before they start. Every team that doesn't have certainty at the position should do the same thing.

     

    I don't know if every team without a top QB "should do the same thing", but I can't criticize the Browns for their draft moves at all.  They needed a QB but after Ward was gone, who was there really at #2 or #5?  Instead, they acquired a second first rounder for 2026 with the hope that if the QBs in 2026 are significantly better, they have the ammo to move up to get one.  Then they got premier DT prospect Mason Grant plus LB Carson Schwessinger, and RB Quinshon Judkins in their first 3 picks.   They took a TE and a QB with their 2 3rd round picks.   They took a flyer on Sanders in the 5th.  Personally, by the end of the fourth round, I was wondering if the Bills should take a flyer on Shedeur to upgrade the backup QB position, even if it was highly unlikely that Beane would ever make that kind impromptu move.

     

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  13. One of the reasons that I started this third iteration of "Backyard Birding" is because I discovered a new birding "guide" last year: the Merlin Bird ID by Cornell Lab for your phone.   It enables you to identify birds by their songs and calls, which can really expand the birds you can identify even if you are walking in a woodsy area where it's almost impossible to see birds.   

     

    For example, I was walking in a part of the Jamestown Community College's campus called "The Hundred Acre Lot" and heard an unusual bird call (not a "song").  This area is heavily forested, and rather swampy in the area where i was walking.  Using Merlin, I was able to identify the bird as a Wood Duck, a cavity nesting duck that is seldom seen unless you come across a nest sight.

     

    The Merlin app enables you to save the bird calls, so you can make a list of the birds you've encountered along with the date and time and the call.  Moreover, you can find out more information about the birds you've seen or identified by call within the app.  

     

    The Merlin app is free to download, although Cornell Lab will ask you join and/or donate.

  14. This is my original post in my original topic on Backyard Birding started in 2020.   It's aged well.

     

    A great hobby to start during this pandemic is "backyard birding" which is learning to identify the birds in and around your house and/or neighborhood.  It's a great way to get yourself, your kids, your parents and/or grandparents interested in nature and science.  It's inexpensive.  It's not complicated.  You don't even need a yard ... a neighborhood park or a cemetery or even a grassy median (like on Bidwell Parkway in Buffalo) will work.  A window overlooking your neighbor's yard might even work.

     

    To get started, you need a guide to birds.  I like the Audubon Society's Field Guide to North American Birds which I have been using since the 1980s.  It's pocket size, comes with a plastic like cover, and has photos, maps, and info about each bird in it.  Field Guide to Birds.  It's less than $16.

     

    If you have a yard, you can buy a bird bath and set it up in a sunny spot that you can see from one or more windows or from a deck or porch.  Even a cheap plastic one will work fine.  In addition to seeing more birds, you may actually save some by providing water in dry spells.  Remember to clean your bird bath regularly as when the birds use it, it will get messy.

     

    You can bring more  birds into your yard -- and see more birds -- using bird feeders of various types -- and cost.  Especially in the spring, migrating birds are towards the end of their travels and need ready sources of food.  I feed primarily black oil sunflower seed plus suet cakes but I also feed a fruit/nut mix and peanuts.  Don't buy those bird feed mixes sold in grocery stores as they have cheap filler seeds that birds won't eat and scatter all over the ground.  Tractor Supply has a nice selection of feeders and bird seed.  If you want some guidance, try the Wild Birds Unlimited on McKinley near the mall in Blasdell.  There's also a WBU in Amherst ... on Transit I think.

     

    I have my tubular sunflower feeders out year around but that's not possible if you live in bear country.  Raccoons can also be problems, especially in the summers when young ones go exploring.   Many people have luck attracting hummingbirds with feeders or by hanging gaudy fuchsia pots on their porches.  I haven't, probably because as a gardener, my hummers go for the hostas, bee balm, and trumpet vines planted in the yard.   I also plant sunflowers -- generally by cleaning up the seeds/hulls from around the feeder poles and depositing that in a sunny spot along my side fence -- which attracts clouds of goldfinches when the sunflowers ripen. 

     

    The great thing about backyard birding is that it's something you can do for the entire rest of your life, even when you are very old and not very mobile.  My late step-mother, who suffered from emphysema, loved sitting on her back porch watching the hummers coming to her fuchsia plants or sitting at her kitchen table watching the chickadees and cardinals coming to her seed feeders.

  15. There's lots of time to get a contract done, including after the 2025 season until the opening of FA.

     

    Drafting a RB would have been a shot over Cook's bow, a signal that the Bills aren't going to budge on the money.  Beane wisely decided to keep communications/negotiations open going forward. 

  16. 3 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

    I think the Colts, Titans, Raiders, Browns, Falcons, Patriots, Cardinals, Chargers, and 49ers are all worse or at the very least debatable.   That said, the Bills have one equalizer when it comes to WR depth.  Josh Allen. 


    Seattle, New Orleans, Carolina, Chicago, Giants, Jaguars, Steelers, and Jets all have better wideouts with QBs who havent shown an ability to get the ball to playmakers on a consistent basis.

     

    There is no sense to look at a WR depth chart and compare it without also checking to see if a team has both an offensive line and QB to maximize the depth. 

     

    Consider that two teams with great/good QBs and great WRs but crappy OLs missed the playoffs in the AFC in 2024.  They also didn't have particularly good defenses, either.  Miami and Cincinatti put all their money into their QBs and WRs which has left the cupboard bare of talent for the rest of the team.   The only team that seems to have beaten the cap restrictions enough to have a good QB, a great OL and great WRs alongside a good defense is the Eagles, but some day all those void years are going to have to be counted.

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  17. 20 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

    I gave a C because mcbeane neglected Josh.

     

    The 4th was the perfect time to grab a WR 

     

    Instead the grab another DT

     

    The they finally have the gaul to throw Josh a bone in the 7th

     

    What were they thinking ?

     

    Beane hardly neglected Josh.  They gave him a blocking TE and an OT prospect.   The Bills are never going to be a pass first offense under Beane/McDermott/Brady.  They want to be a diversified offense that can score in multiple ways from anywhere on the field.   They don't want Allen to have to always have to be Super Man.  They did pretty well in implementing that last season.  Improving the defense will help Allen significantly more than adding a Day 3 WR.

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  18. 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

    If we didn't trade our 2005 first rounder to draft Losman in 2004 we pry would've drafted Rodgers in 2005 at pick #20.  Flippin Donahoe.

     

    IMO, the Bills traded up to take Losman pretty much for the same reason they signed Terrell Owen in 2009 and  took Manuel in 2013: they wanted to excite the fan base in order to sell season tickets.  What excites a fan base of a losing team better than providing a "savior" in terms of a first round QB or signing a future HOF WR?

    They could have had Losman in the 2nd or 3rd or better yet, they could have taken Matt Schaub in the 2nd who had a decent NFL career ... or they might have simply used the picks they gave up for Losman to draft OLers to protect their current QB at the time, Drew Bledsoe, and as you said, taken Rodgers in 2005.

     

    12 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

    I would tend to agree. Is there then other parameters measured during the combine that should be given more importance than total 40 time?

     

    How about size and/or the ability to catch the ball?   There are lots of speedy WRs who fall to Day 3 because they're smaller or they can't catch the ball consistently.

  19. 6 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

    It’s not about getting Star WRs (although that’s a plus). The WRs we have now are not stars, besides maybe Shakir (and he was a 5th round pick). It’s about consistently getting young, cheap WRs for Josh to work with, just like we do for the d line. Some will pan out and some won’t but it’s the right strategy when you have your franchise QB. The constant retread JAGs aren’t the answer and the good WRs cost too much on there second contract. 

     

    You do realize that most Day 3 picks at whatever position they play are lacking in at least one of these:  talent, experience or size.  Most of them will never be more than special teamers.  Those who do succeed usually take two or more seasons to become good pros, so a team has a "good pro" for only one or two years if that team doesn't re-sign the Day 3 picks who turn into their good pros.   That's the philosophy that the Drought Era regimes embraced and which is what resulted in the Bills missing the playoffs for 17 straight seasons.

  20. 7 hours ago, chris heff said:

    Top three receivers that game.

    Ravens:

    Justice 6-78

    Likely 1-26

    Bateman 1-23

     

    Bills:

    Shakir 6-62

    Coleman 3-51

    Kincaid 5-47

     

    And yet the Ravens scored 35.

     

    On the first Ravens play from scrimmage, Derek Henry ran 87 yards for a TD.  He finished with 199 yards on 24 rushing attempts (8.3 per carry) plus 3 receptions for 10 yards including a 1 TD.   Lamar Jackson ran for 1 TD.   Patrick Ricard recovered a Derek Henry fumble in the EZ for another TD.

    It wasn't the Bills day.  Both the offense and the defense sucked.

     

    7 hours ago, NeverOutNick said:

    Valid points but does this mean we should avoid drafting potential star WR talent?

     

    Realistically, how many "star WR talents" come out of rounds 4-7 in the 2020s?   There was a time when really talented WRs (and most other positions) could be found at the end of the draft, but those days are long gone.

     

    5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

     

    I don't think many fans disagree that rebuilding the defense should have been the main focus in this draft. It's just some of us wanted them to throw a bone to the offense too. Literally just use one decently high pick on a pass catcher. Is that so unfair? Trading up in the 4th when a couple vertical WRs were sitting there and instead taking yet another defensive lineman felt like total overkill to me.

     

     

    I think you should reread your post and consider what you are asking of Beane and company to do.  You are asking them to not only draft a player simply to placate a portion of the fan base, but to spend additional draft capital to do it.    Shades of Russ Brandon drafting EJ Manuel in 2013 to put butts in the seats!!!  👎

     

     

    3 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

    Palmer should not be a starter.

     

    He's just a JAG rotation guy which is what he was with the Chargers. He was the 4th/5th WR.

     

    He's essentially the replacement for Mack who's really only a special teams guy.

     

    Ask yourself this.

     

    If Palmer was so good, why did the Chargers, a WR needy team let him go and draft 2 new WRs in this draft ?

     

    If Palmer was any good why did the Chargers not resign him ?

     

    They just let him go

     

    'Cuz the Chargers are gonna Charger? 

     

    2 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

    Imagine if you were a teacher and you had a student who was so gifted, so intelligent, so ahead of everybody else that you decided he just didn’t need your attention anymore. That it would be better to just focus your attention on everybody else who was further behind. Is it likely that genius student would hit his full potential? 
     

    That is how the Bills treat our offense and Josh Allen. It’s as good as it is because of him and because he’s able to elevate the offense to that level we neglect it and put our attention into other things. Saying the whole time “well look at how great it is”. Talk about a curse. Being so good that you trick otherwise intelligent people into thinking you can’t grow anymore or become any better.
     

    Let’s also be clear, most people here were asking for an investment in the form of a 4th or 5th round pick. Clearly the defense needed to be prioritized. But as a whole the way Beane and many of our fans look at this offense is just wrong. 

     

    I don't have to imagine being a teacher because I was one many years ago.  Teachers do NOT select the students in the classrooms; that's the school administration's job.  Teachers and position coaches are analogous.  School administers and team executives are analogous.

     

    Beane/McDermott have certainly NOT treated Josh Allen and the offense as a proverbial "red-headed stepchild".  I'm not going to delineate the players the Bills have drafted, signed as FAs or traded for to provide Allen with both targets and protection.  Your problem, sir, is that you think that only QBs and WRs matter to a good offense.   You apparently don't even count OLers or TEs or RBs as part of the offense.   Your way of looking at the draft is wrong for more than just your narrow vision of offense, however.  See my response above to Happy Days.  

     

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  21. 7 hours ago, Pete said:

    Who is our outside WRs?  Where are they?  Did Keon play so good that we can count on him to be WR2?  Is Palmer WR 1?  Can we count on Samuels to be healthy the entire season?  Who is our 5th WR?
     

    Palmer 1

    Keon 2

    Shakir slot

    Samuels 

     

    Buffalo saw more man to man coverage last season, because no one respects our WR.  We have had FA and the draft to correct that, and Beane has done Jack *****.

     

    its going to take another Ravens curb stomping to make Beane panic and make another Amari like trade.

     

    It’s the emperors new clothes.  We have yet to replace John Brown.  This offense needs a vertical component which it is sorely lacking.

     

    I know Bills had great offense- after we acquired Amari.

     

    We lose Mack and Amari, and added Palmer.  

     

    Name a worse WR group.

     

    What happens if there is a WR injury?  Is WR Beanes Achilles heal?

     

     

     

    Who has a better QB than the Bills?   Maybe KC but their WR group is no great shakes either -- and their OL is pretty stinky compared to the Bills. 

     

    The Bills WRs could be better but the combo of Allen and the OL plus their stable of RBs makes for a good offense.  Defense, OTOH, has been the Bills problem in the playoffs every year.   This was a good draft for defensive players, and the Bills loaded up on some.   Chill out.

     

  22. 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

    Paul Seymour is who you are thinking of, I suspect. Drafted 7th overall by the Bills, he actually played OT at Michigan and converted to TE in the pros.  But he was basically an elite blocking TE. He started 68 games for the Bills and had only 62 career receptions.

     

    In 1978, the Bills traded Seymour to the Steelers for Frank Lewis, who became an excellent player for the Bills. Seymour failed his physical (foot injury), was shipped back to the Bills, and never played another down.

     

    I looked him up.  It was Costa.  He started out as a TE, drafted well after the first round, and eventually moved to tackle in the pros.   I do stand corrected in that while he did block for OJ Simpson, he retired after the 1972, so he wasn't part of the OL that blocked for Simpson's 2003 yards, which was 1973.  Seymour was always listed as a TE in the pros although he was definitely a "blocking TE": he caught 62 balls for 818 yards and 3 TDs in 5 seasons.

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  23. 52 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

     

    Put Josh or Mahomes in Lamar's place and the Ravens would have won at least one SB by now. Their problem is, more often that not, he chokes in high pressure situations. With the quality rosters they've built around him, they should have claimed at least one ring over the past few years.

     

    I generally agree with you that Lamar isn't as good as Josh or Mahomes, but my argument still stands that it takes more than just talent to win a Super Bowl.  There are numerous variables, but in the end, it comes down to the players on the field performing in the clutch. 

     

    In last year's AFCCG, the Ravens could have tied the game and potentially won it if only one of Baltimore's Pro Bowlers, Mark Andrews, caught a simple pass at the goal line.  I saw that pass and just assumed he'd catch it ... I was already cursing ... and he just dropped it.   He was devastated by the play, and couldn't talk to reports after the game.  It happens.

     

    OTOH, in the 2008 Super Bowl, David Tyree, a career backup WR whose claim to fame was special teams ace and who had caught all of 4 passes for 35 yards that 2007 season, caught Eli Manning's long pass on his helmet to help the Giants spoil the Patriots' perfect season.   Tyree will always be remembered for "The Helmet Catch".  It happens.

  24. 9 hours ago, K D said:

    I guess you got me there. We shouldn't try and get pro bowl level talent. Let's just let Josh have to run around and be superman because the rest of the team is mediocre. Did you think that maybe if we had a couple of other pro bowlers we might have won by now? Josh can only run around like that for maybe a handful more years. We actually need some players on this team around him not just depth guys

     

    This is a Bills forum so every year everyone is very impressed with the draft but then they never turn into top guys just guys which is fine, we have a solid team. Just no stars. This year seems like more of the same. I guess we'll see.

     

    Nobody has any idea how any draft pick is going to turn out immediately after the draft, especially posters on fan forums.   

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