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20 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:
My bias against McDermott is well documented.
Wondering how others view his post-season PC and recent interview calling critics narrow minded. He also stated its hard to win in the NFL. I recall a prior HC pilloried on this site for saying the exact same words.
My take on the PC was that he was very defensive. Without even being asked. He launched into a defense of his tenure as coach even dating back to prior seasons.
And now he calls critics narrow minded for wondering if the Bills will win a SB with him as HC. You have to belive at this point the thought has crossed Beane and Pegula's mind. He's trying to defend at best status quo to perhaps taking a step or two back from 13 seconds.
Then the most ridiculous statement of all.
"We're looking for Josh to really be that face of the franchise, like he's been, and continue to evolve."
I mean WTF. What team has he been coaching? Does he think Hyde and Poyer were the face of the franchise?? Is he trying to lay blame on Allen? Without Allen McDermott might be coaching DBs in Kansas City. Was Allen on the field when the defense crumbled multiple times against Denver,Philadelphia, and others. KC only stopped themselves in the playoff game. If not for a goal line fumble the Bills are not even close in that game.
It may not seem that I'm open minded but I really try. I've gave McDermott praise many times last year.
So what does the board think?
For those that crucified Jauron how do you take the It’s hard to win in the NFL line?
For those that defend McDermott, what do you all think?
Name one NFL HC, current or since the merger, who ever said anything but "it's hard to win in the NFL". McDermott may be defensive-minded and rather conservative but he coaches to win football games. Jauron coached to not lose football games by too much. He was "risk adverse" to the max.
If you think that Dick Jauron has been "crucified", during his tenure 1) you were too young or too far away geographically to watch the Bills often or 2) you never watched the Bills while sober or 3) you are suffering from serious memory loss. I was a Bills season tix holder during part of Jauron's tenure, so I had an "up close and personal" seat to his incompetence.
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17 hours ago, H2o said:
If I trade our 1st next year it would have to be for MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze.None of them will make it to 17 or 18.
Absolutely agree. At the Bills' talent level, they need players who will make significant impact even as rookies. MHJ, Nabers and Odunze are the guys most likely to be studs from the get-go. They are significantly better than the rest of a very deep WR class where potential good WRs are likely to be available even in the second round. If a team can't move up high enough to get one of the very top guys, what's the point of spending next year's first when sitting tight or trading up only a couple of spots can yield a WR of about the same caliber of any other WR they could get at #17 or #18?
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Woody doesn't want to admit that drafting Wilson was a mistake like drafting Darnold in 2018, Sanchez in 2009 and then giving him an extension, and signing Favre in 2008. People might begin to think that he's the problem with the Jests since he's been the owner since 2000 with a succession of GMs.
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17 hours ago, PauleeeWalnuts said:
Feeling indifferent. They haven’t done anything that would indicate they will take the next step and get over the hump next season. Another Divisional Round loss is probable, maybe even a Wild Card knockout. Can’t beat Burrow or Mahomes when it counts and they didn’t get any better this offseason.
What exactly does "take the next step" look like to you? Fire the coaching staff? Sign some big name defensive or offensive player(s)? Trade all their draft picks to move up to #4 or #5 in the draft to take Marvin Harrison, Jr???? Instead of just whining, actually make some suggestions.
Realistically, Beane had/has limited options in significantly improving the team because of the cap. Every team paying a franchise QB shares those limitations to varying degrees. They are going to lose some good players every season, and they're not going to be able to sign many big name talents in their stead. It's a balancing act and a hope that all goes well. The Chiefs, for example, chose to resign Chris Jones and trade away L'Jarius Sneed for very little compensation. It looks like a reasonable move now but what if Jones suffers a season-ending injury in September, and the Chiefs' D struggles to stop teams, especially in the red zone?
5 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:I’d give Beane a solid B for this off-season so far.
He was facing a huge uphill battle to get under the cap (a problem of his own making). However, with a little help from the NFL, Miller and Knox he managed to get the job done with minimal damage to the starting group.
With the retention of Jones and Epenesa, Beane brings back 17 of 22 starters on O & D. On offense starts Morse and Davis depart and on defense Hyde, Poyer and Floyd depart, but Floyd is replaced by Espenesa.
Reviewing the major areas of change:
OL - Out with Morse and Bates. In with the Clapp. McGovern moves to center and Edwards moves to from back up guard to starter. The line was a major strength last year and could be again if McGovern can replace Morse effectively.
WR - Out with Davis, Harry and Sherfield. In with Hollins and Samuel. Samuel and Hollins are upgrades over Harty and Sherfield, but neither stretches the field nor are they a replacement for Davis. Samuel is a slot receiver whose numbers, such as Yards/catch, catch%, YAC/catch, and explosive plays, are all inferior to the slot receiver we already have in Shakir. When they draft a boundary receiver, Samuel will ultimately be relegated to our 5th best receiving option. Not sure spending $8 million on the 5th option is a wise cap decision. That said this group is deeper and more talented than last year.
D Line - Out - Floyd, Settle, Ford, Phillips and Lawson. In - Johnson and Toohill. Obviously, we are still down a few players and this is where the biggest questions lie. Can Miller, Epenesa or a draft pick step-up to replace the loss of Floyd? Can Jones stay healthy? If the answers are yes, then the line will be fine. I’m also interested to see what Jonathan can do.
Safety - Out with Hyde (?) and Poyer. In with Edwards. Rapp becomes a starter. Going from aging stars Poyer and Hyde to Rapp and Edwards is a downgrade. Beane says he’s open to Hyde returning. I’d be happier with a stud early in the draft like Bullard, Bullock, Kinchens, or Hicks. Beane needs to invest here finally.
Overall the two lines and the safeties have been downgraded on paper this off-season, but I’m not overly concerned about the lines. The safeties do concern me. Edwards and Rapp only played 50% of their team’s snaps last season for a reason. Each guy only started because of injuries and neither graded out all that well. PFF graded both at 56.5 & 56.4 respectively.
Only the WR group has been upgraded, but not in the area of greatest need.
The bottomline is with the starters mostly intact, the team will be very good assuming they stay healthy. The offense should be more dynamic with Samuel and assuming they draft a deep threat. Hopefully Miller, Epenesa and Jonathan step up on the D line to actually make it as effective as last year and that McGovern plays as well as Morse did to anchor the OLine.Excellent post. I like posters who provide some reasons for their stands rather than simply complaining or praising.
Depending upon how the draft falls out, I would not be opposed to the Bills taking one of the two centers projected as first rounders at #28 or even higher if they feel they need to move up to get one, but I'm always in favor of BPA because the Bills need difference makers not just "good" players in order to improve. A lights-out C can help Allen more than a "pretty good" outside WR who probably can be had in the 2nd round in this deep WR draft. If one of the highly rated defensive players falls or the Bills move up to get one, I'm good with that, too.
I think Beane has filled the gaping holes in FA with an eye to drafting BPA in the first round in order to get a potential stud regardless of positon.
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On 3/23/2024 at 1:52 PM, Virgil said:
As we get ready for the draft, and I get ready for the TSW Mock Draft staring next weekend, there's been a lot of conversation about needing to draft a wide receiver early. While I don't disagree with this, I do wonder what type of receiver we are looking for and what impact will they make on the offense. Before I can make that decision, there's a few things that need to be considered
- Diggs is under contract with a sizeable hit for this year and next. We could release him next season, but it would incur a 22 mil dead cap hit and only save us 5 million. Diggs has also gone on record saying that he will not restructure his contract to help the Bills cap space.
- If we bring in a capable number one receiver, how does Diggs handle being the number 2 guy? Emotional support isn't high on his capacities.
- We are stacked at inside receivers. Between Shakir, Knox, Kincaid, and Samuel, the slot position is locked up and deep.
- How do we even utilize a receiver that's not Diggs or a slot? My biggest criticism of Brady is that I don't feel like he really took advantage of the mismatches we could have created with two Tight Ends and doesn't scheme players open very well. McVay is a great example of a coach who gets people like Kupp wide open. Brady doesn't seem to be able to do that
- Was Davis' decline due to his ability or playcalling? To me, it's a little of both. Davis had some mental blunders in both routes and drops, but he was a big body speed guy, that on paper, most of us would clamor to draft again. So even if we get another player like Gabe, will we be able to utilize him?
- Free Agent Wide Receivers in 2025 look rough. There's isn't a #1 guy that will be available
- Some mock drafts only have 5 wide receivers going in the first round. If that's the case, there will be some great talent available in round 2 that is more than capable of becoming WR1
With all that being said, do we need to prioritize a receiver that can become out WR 1, knowing Diggs is here for the next two years, or do we just need another weapon that can compliment what we have? Even with Davis being MIA in most games, Josh put up good numbers with who we had.
To me, the secret answer is what Beane did with Samuel. Samuel is documented to have the 3rd best separation in the NFL on cut routes, something badly needed on this team. Beane also wanted to bring in Harty for a similar goal. I think Beane wants quick guys that can create space, that Brandy can use wherever he wants on the field.
So what receiver, if any, needs to be a priority? A 6'+ receiver who can eventually take over for Diggs in 2 years? A burner, like Hill, who we can move around in motion a lot to create mismatches from motion?
My answer, and I vomit saying this, is best player available. If that happens to be a receiver that can lineup outside, then okay. But if there is a difference maker at another position available or a receiver that is only going to be lumped into our slot guys, then I go with the difference maker at another position. If this draft is so deep at receiver, I might wait and get someone in the mid rounds with the potential of a #1 guy, and if it doesn't work out, we have two more years to draft the right person.
Here are ESPN's rankings of WR's with a grade of 80 or higher. Only one player is shorter than 6'. Quite a few of these guys could easily be there in the second round:
- Marvin Harrison - 94 - 6'3"
- Malik Nabers - 93 - 6'
- Rome Odunze - 92 - 6'3"
- Adonai Mitchell - 90 - 6'2"
- Brian Thomas Jr - 90 - 6'3"
- Xavier Legette - 89 - 6'1"
- Ladd McConkey - 88 - 6'
- Xavier Worth - 87 - 5'11"
- Keon Coleman - 87 - 6'3"
- Troy Franklin - 85 - 6'2"
- Devontez Walker - 84 - 6'2"
- Jermaine Burton - 82 - 6'
- Ricky Pearsall - 6'1"
Excellent post.
I think that the Bills are at the point where grabbing a real difference maker in the first round regardless of position will pay the biggest dividends in the future, especially when the depth of the WR class means that there will be good WRs available in the second. I think that Beane's moves in FA suggest that he's leaning that way himself; he's filled the glaring holes so he has the freedom to take somebody he likes best, especially if one of the two centers projected as first rounders happen to fall.
If the Bills don't go WR in the first round, I wouldn't be surprised if they traded up in the second to grab one.
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4 hours ago, PBF81 said:
Davis' drops were bad for one season. Discounting that singular season, that everyone made a mountain of a narrative over, do you know what Samuel's drop % is compared to Davis'?
Davis' drops other than in '22 are quite average in terms of drop %.
You may want to look that up before making comments like that.
Otherwise, once again, the comment misses the mark and still does not address the issue. You'll see, again, this season quite likely, ... unless Samuel becomes a scoring machine.
Hope he does, but I wouldn't put money on it.
I like Gabe Davis as a $4-6 million a year WR but not for $39 million for 3 years. He's simply not consistent enough.
3 hours ago, PBF81 said:Well, if Diggs is really finished like everyone here assumes, we'd better have an answer better than Samuel or yes, that's exactly where we're headed. Allen was down about 20% as it was this season from prior years.
Hopefully we draft a WR in round 1. Also, I'm not on the train claiming that Diggs is finished. IMO it's how he's used. In fact, someone posted a piece recently, forget where, it may have been linked on the front page, that Diggs was used in slot nearly 50% of the time. If that's true, and there's no reason to consider the guy's research false, then that would certainly explain the dropoff in production from Diggs.
Complimentary Football as McD likes to call it.
We can expect Kincaid to pick up some of the slack though, but he's not a WR.
Like you, I don't assume that Diggs is finished. He seemed to have been double teamed constantly toward the end of the season, which suggests that the other Bills receiving options weren't effective enough to force defenders to make hard choices on coverage. IMO using Diggs in the slot seems a waste of his talent, but maybe the Bills wanted to see if Davis could step up to become a reliable downfield WR on the outside. Davis didn't/couldn't, so the Bills let him walk.
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22 hours ago, Dillenger4 said:
Well, we knew this was coming. A "Re-Tool" of sorts. I think the Bills will have a mediocre year. I am more of a realist compared to posts above:
Miami - GOT STRONGER! Not sure what people are talking about here, but they added LB Jordyn Brooks, Center Aaron Brewer and CB Kendall Fuller not to mention Jonnu Smith at TE. Those are all above average players making them pretty strong. But... Tua. We will see but I think the Phins give us a tough run this year.
Then we have Steelers, KC, TEXANS, even Titans got stronger. Jets quietly had a good offseason so far too. If Rogers can play well, they will be a tough out. They beat us last year. Cincy and the Browns will be strong too.
So, I expect no playoffs or a first round loss. This Bills team has way too many holes, new coaches in important spots and a general feeling of swiss cheese.
I hope I'm wrong.
Miami did not get stronger. They lost their best defensive player plus some other key players and have replaced them with guys at as "sketchy" talent/experience wise as the Bills signees. A wash.
How did KC get better? They had to trade away their DB Snead for next to nothing because of cap issues. If there are questions about the Bills signing Samuel, then signing Hollywood Brown is just as questionable. Pitt will be improved if Russell Wilson can regain his Seattle form, but the Jests have put all their hopes on a forty-one-year-old QB coming off an Achilles injury who is flirting with politics and who will play behind a newly assembled OL filled with older guys or guys coming off injuries or both. Baltimore, Cincy, and Cleveland are in the same boat as the Bills, KC and Miami: since they're paying franchise QBs, they have limited cap room so they can't make tremendous improvements via FA. The draft is probably much more crucial in determining which of the top AFC teams improve than FA.
14 hours ago, PBF81 said:So you're essentially arguing that a WR's ability to find the end zone is insignificant then. Well, OK. I suppose there's at least some reasonable debate in there.
IMO it's relevant, particularly on a team like ours where receiving TD producers seem to be rare.
Let's hope he has his best season ever.
I enjoyed Davis' long TDs as much as any Bills fan but it's very hard to deny the balls he dropped and how he so often failed to get open. What makes your TD/reception stat irrelevant to determining a receiver's play is that it ignores how many times the receiver was targeted, made catches or dropped the ball. I think that for receivers, TDs per target would be a more useful stat than TDs per catch. Of course, stats can't measure clutch plays, and Davis failed to make too many clutch plays to be worth what the Jags paid him.
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21 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:
That was mcduffie, who we should have drafted.
Reality check. The Bills drafted Elam at #23 after KC drafted Mcduffie at #21. I'm not sure if the Chiefs traded up to do that.
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12 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
the 3rd they’re getting is 2025 though!Yes ... which should be later in the third round since Atlanta has made some significant moves to challenge Jax in the AFC South this coming season.
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My two favorite Dylan tunes ...
This was the Beatles first performance in the US.
Then there was the "Motown Sound" ...
The Supremes ...
The Four Tops ...
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16 hours ago, MJS said:
It's just stupid to make a comment like that. The best thing to say is, "The Jets look to be much improved and maybe they have a shot at the division, but they have to prove it by going through Buffalo. As of now they own the AFC East."
To go out and say they are better than anybody is just ridiculous.
Even if the Jests were good enough to win the AFCE, that's just the start of the playoff gauntlet.
15 hours ago, Gregg said:JD wasn't behind the Rodgers signing. According to all the media reports both he and Saleh wanted Carr. It was Johnson who wanted Rodgers. So, if Rodgers doesn't work out for them then Woody has only himself to blame.
I didn't pay much attention to how Rodgers was lured to the Jests, but as they began adding Rodgers' pals, it seemed likely.
Owners who think they're football geniuses never blame themselves.
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2 hours ago, Johnnycage46 said:
I'm just going to go ahead and trust this staff with the defensive secondary. They have a pretty good track record.
That's how I feel, too.
McDermott and his staff seem to get the best out of most of their DBs. Jordan Poyer didn't start any games in his first two seasons. He started only 10 games out of 20 games he played for the Browns in his last 2 seasons with the Browns. I doubt that any Bills fan seven years ago thought he would become an All Pro.
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2 hours ago, mannc said:
I'm really happy that they've put all their eggs in the Aaron Rodgers basket again...I'm very confident that it's going to blow up in their face--again. I will say though, that the Jets' defense is a problem for the Bills and no matter how bad their offense is, they won't be an easy out for us.
^^^
2 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said:That defense makes it believable that they can beat the Bills so with a healthy offense, I'm a little concerned.
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1 hour ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said:New England is dangerous too
Every divisional game is tough, and games against the perennial bottom feeder divisional rivals are especially for dominant divisional leaders because beating the Bills or Chiefs is the poorer divisional rivals seasonal highlight.
1 hour ago, Gregg said:If this happens, then they will clean house. Johnson already said he is not happy with how things are going. He didn't issue a playoff mandate, but it basically is one. Another losing season and JD and Saleh are gone.
Rinse and repeat.
1 hour ago, ngbills said:Who knows. But they have improved on paper and were 7-10 last year with Zach Wilson, Trevor Siemian and Tim Boyle. Does a improved roster and full season of Rodgers get them from 7 wins to 11 or 12? Not out of the question.
As somebody else posted, I'll believe it when I see it.
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1 hour ago, krf139 said:
Living in Connecticut, I have no idea how I am going to listen to sports talk radio for the next 5+ months talking about how great the Jets are going to be. With baseball season a week away, the talk on WFAN this morning has been all Jets. The Jets have won nothing, haven't made the playoffs, have a highly suspect front office and coaching staff - yet everyone talks about them being a real threat to win the Super Bowl.
Here's Boomer Esiason talking about how they've moved past the Bills.
LOL. I don't know of any other team that has been picked so many times to win the Super Bowl by media mavens and their fan base in the off season only to fail to even make the playoffs as the Jests. The Jests haven't even made the playoffs since 2010 when Rex Ryan coached guys like Darelle Revis, Mark Sanchez, LaDainian Tomlinson, and Braylon Edwards. They've had 1 winning season and haven't had a winning season since 2015.
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3 hours ago, nucci said:
Bruce was signed before the draft started. He didn't hold out
My bad!
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2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:
Agree. When have the Bills ever not been able to attract free agents? Oddly it's been players like Kelly and Cousineau that were the top draft picks that chose not to play in Buffalo. I don't think weather factored into either of those decisions.
Many of the Bills first round picks after the AFL/NFL merger in 1966, held out ... starting out with OJ Simpson, first pick in the 1969, Cousineau, #1 pick in 1979, and Bruce Smith, the #1 pick in the 1985 draft. Cousineau played in the CFL until the Bills' rights expired and allowed him to sign with the Browns. Kelly chose to play in the USFL and finally signed after the USFL folded. The primary reason for all of these hold-outs was money first and the Bills organization second since the Bills were largely uncompetive for most of the 1970s as well as in the 1980s after Chuck Knox departed and before Marv Levy was hired as HC.
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I find it interesting that a thread about "The 60s Music" doesn't mention Bob Dylan whose folk songs became anthems for the civil rights and anti-war movements or the Beatles who had a profound influence on American music, including sparking the "British Invasion" of the US music.
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5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
It can get cold everywhere. It will be cold and crappy in Buffalo from November to the end of the season.
Chicago is building a dome. Smart. Buffalo is stupid.
Teams that play in the domes frequently have trouble winning when they play outside, especially in the playoffs.
2 hours ago, Since1981 said:totally agree. A draftee can deal with it. Where I think the problem happens when 2 places are 50/50 coin flip FA. All things being equal WR/QB FA would not want blizzard conditions. It's why I strongly believe WR/QB for BUF has to be (forcibly) drafted vs. FA. Defense/OL blizzards for FA less so.
I disagree. Top FAs look at the compensation and the organization before they consider weather in potential landing sites. I think that the Bills would have no trouble attracting top FA WRs if they pursued one. I suspect that most NFL WRs would love to have Josh Allen throwing them the ball even in cold weather.
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5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
This is the number 1 reason I wanted a dome. The players. These are just different players today and it’s going to get worse. They soft.
NFL QBs still have to play in the cold, especially in the playoffs.
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1 hour ago, BaaadThingsMan said:
I agree, but sadly they are looked upon as role models for plenty of today's youth.
I won't get into the reasons why.
The NFL doesn't even acknowledge that some of their players are not held accountable for their actions and instead are celebrated for what they can do on a football field.
It's an NFL problem in my opinion. One that needs to be fixed.
I think that people in general -- not just people today or just people in the US -- have this inclination to assume that somebody who excels in some field or endeavor is virtuous in his/her private life. We tend to forget that physical ability or scientific skill and understanding or artistic or literary talent or political acumen doesn't necessarily translate into a person's character/personality.
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16 hours ago, BBFL said:
Like anyone in trouble consistently, they have their part to play. But regarding his relationships and having done some simple looking into it due to the stories; seems like these women take him for a sucker and pay day.
No wonder he tried burning his house down. Allegedly.It may very well be that the Cheetah unconsciously picks those kinds of women, too. Some people are attracted to individuals who are really poison for them. They gravitate towards people who abuse them or cheat on them or gamble or drink to excess or are mentally unstable etc while ignoring people who treat them decently, don't have vices and/or are mentally stable. They can't seem to help themselves.
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1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:
You think the Bears fans would be pissed to get Caleb Williams over Justin Fields?
At first they'll be ecstatic, but maybe in the future not so much. Half of all QBs drafted in the first round are disappointments if not outright busts.
Moreover, the last USC QB to become a successful NFL QB was 20 plus years ago despite the fact that probably more USC QBs have been drafted at the top of the first round than any other school.
2018 - #3 - Sam Darnold
2009 - #5 - Mark Sanchez
2006 - #10 - Matt Leinart
2003 - #1 - Carson Palmer
PS: other USC QBs haven't been outstanding since 2003 either:
2016 Cody Kessler 4th round
2013 Matt Barkley 3rd round
2008 John David Booty 5th round
2005 Matt Cassel 7th round
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15 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:
Yep but I mean to say it seems like they signed Wilson to be the starter and if they make it a real competition then I don't think he will be. Fields is what Wilson used to be 5 years ago
When I heard that the Stillers traded for Fields, I thought that they had acquired another QB who would fit whatever offense they were planning in Pittsburgh. Wilson's success in Seattle was always anchored by a stout defense, a strong running game, and a quick-strike passing game. The Stillers have the stout defense and the strong running game. They need Wilson to give them that nice long ball he had with Seattle as well as the good decisions and leadership that made him a starter as a rookie.
I think that Wilson's decision-making and leadership will likely give him the edge over Fields for this coming season. From what I've seen of Fields, he's physically very much like Wilson in his prime, so I think that Pittsburgh is thinking/hoping that working with Wilson and better coaching will enable Fields to become significantly better.
2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:flailing
I disagreed with your post because "flailing" implies trying and failing, but IMO the Bills weren't really trying to win football games. I don't believe that Bills were seriously interested in winning football games after Bill Polian was fired. With the departure of John Butler and AJ Smith for San Diego, the Bills entered "The Drought" because Ralph Wilson increasingly put profits ahead of winning football games. That didn't change until after the Pegulas became the owners.
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12 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:
It’s all just flailing.
i think Wilson will surprise. If he doesn’t, bringing in Fields to resurrect the moribund QB position in Pittsburgh is as bad a decision as it was in Chicago
If a team doesn't find itself a franchise QB -- somebody on the level of Flacco or Cousins in their prime or a Tua or Purdy -- they have virtually no shot at anything beyond maybe backing into a wildcard berth and being 1 and done. Statistically, about half of the QBs taken in the first round of any draft fail to become franchise QBs despite being given every opportunity (sometimes multiple ones) to do so. For QBs taken on Day 2 or 3 of the draft, the chances are miniscule. Finding a franchise QB is finding the proverbial needle in a haystack, which is why teams like the Browns and Broncos mortgaged their futures to grab "proven" ones.
The Stillers have grabbed a "proven" QB as well as a young QB who has shown some flashes for practically nothing in terms of what other teams have spent to acquire one of either type. It may not work out but if it doesn't, they aren't shackled by their gambles.
I always liked Russell Wilson, so I hope that you are right. I would like to see Russ take the Stillers (my second favorite team) to the AFC Conference Championship game only to lose to the Bills in January.
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I find it interesting that many of the same individuals arguing for failed first round QBs to get second or even third chances are so fast to dismiss Levis after his rookie campaign, even though he played better as a rookie than numerous first round QBs in the last few years.