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10 hours ago, billsfan89 said:
The Bills "over investing" at RB was more of a 2000's thing. They drafted Henry in round 2, Willis in round 1, Lynch in round 1, and Spiller in round 1 all in a 10 draft span. I get RB's have a short shelf life but 4 picks in the first two rounds (with 3 being in round 1) in a 10 draft period is excessive. Especially since 3 out of 4 of those RB's were fairly good players and the team found an undrafted gem in Fred Jackson. The Spiller pick and the Willis picks the more egregious examples of just losing a valuable pick at a position losing value.
The Bills "over investing" at RB wasn't about "losing a valuable pick at a position losing value". In the early 2000s, RBs were still valued. It was about the team philosophy that emphasized maximizing profits over winning.
Consequently, the Bills rarely re-signed the best players they drafted and used high draft picks to fill the holes created by losing those players. They did similar things with DBs as they did with RBs, letting first rounders Antoine Winfield, Sr, Nate Clements, and Donte Whitner along with 2nd round DB Jairus Byrd, all excellent DBs with multiple Pro Bowl and/or All Pro awards, leave while keeping first rounder Leodis McKelvin who was not nearly as good as the DBs they allowed to leave.
The Bills weren't missing on high draft picks at RB and DB and needed to try again and again. They spent a lot of draft capital replacing good players that they didn't want to spend the money to keep.
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8 hours ago, Doc Brown said:
Only team to draft three RB's in the first round during the drought span. Those picks could've went to more premium positions. Glad those days are over.
Exactly -- and this was back in the days when teams frequently re-signed their best RBs because they valued them more than they do today. The only sorta "dud" in the trio was Spiller. McGahey was a pro-bowler, maybe an All Pro, for Baltimore before going on to Denver and rushing for nearly 1200 yards and another Pro Bowl season. Lynch was an All Pro and multiple Pro Bowler for the Seahawks and led them to a SB. He might become a HOFer, too.
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2 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:
20 years? I remember a string of 1st round running backs, Lesean McCoy and Fred Jackson.
maybe you’re thinking of Josh Allen?Finding good RBs was never the Bills issue during the Drought Era. Keeping the good ones was always the problem because the Bills, especially under Russ Brandon, never paid their best "home grown talent".
- They drafted McGahee at #23 in 2003, and traded him for a 3rd and a 7th in 2007.
- They used their #12 pick in 2007 on Marshawn Lynch to replace him. Lynch ran for consecutive 1000+ until he fell out of favor with Jauron. The Bills traded Lynch to Seattle for a 2011 4th round pick in October 2010.
- They used their #9 pick in 2010 on CJ Spiller whom they allowed to leave in free agency in 2015.
1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:I suggest that the acquiring team would want him as a bellcow because that would be a team where Cook would have the greatest perceived value. A team planning on using Cook in that manner would be willing to give up more to acquire him. Also, I believe that would please and motivate Cook, you wouldn't be trading a disgruntled player.
Cook has improved each year - from a fumbler to great ball security, to getting tough yards. For an ascending RB it is not a stretch to think that he could improve his pass blocking, especially since pass blocking is dependent a lot upon desire. True, he is on the small size but he does appear to have gotten stronger each year.
$5M is an excellent deal for Cook for a year as it is, but it is a great deal for a team that wants a bellcow RB (which doesn't seem to be Buff).
Oh, it would undoubtedly be a great deal for whatever team that got him, just like trading for McGahee and Lynch worked out great for the Ravens and Seahawks. It wouldn't be a good deal for the Bills. The best deal for the Bills would be for the two sides to reach a compromise that keeps Cook on the team for several more seasons. Keeping Cook for the 2025 season and allowing him to leave in FA in 2026 and getting a comp pick is the second best deal imo.
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On 4/4/2025 at 9:24 AM, Augie said:
If you have a passport, is Niagara-on-the-Lake worth the visit? I had a friend in FL who went to visit, and I had to admit I had never been there. He had very positive comments.
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In mid-May, Niagara-on-the-Lake will just be starting up for the season. It will probably not be as decked out with flowers as it is later in the season. The same with Niagara Falls, Ontario. For example, the Maid of the Mist boat tours (by whatever name they operate under) may operate on a limited schedule, and be very weather dependent. If you take a tour (I highly recommend it!), dress warm since the water will be cold! You won't have to wait for tables in restaurants in either NF or NOTL in mid May, especially during the week. Ft George Historical Site is the equivalent to Ft Niagara. It may be open limited days/hours in May. There are a number of wineries right around NOTL, too.
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4 hours ago, JohnNord said:
His career is going to be somewhat telling as to how honest the draft analysts are. It seems like most in the media are high on Sanders and predict big things. If he tanks in the NFL well know it’s a lot of media hypeIf "the NFL" -- professionals and fans alike -- don't already know that all these media draft analysts are creating/feeding off hype, they haven't been paying much attention to the draft for a long time, especially when it comes to QBs. The bolded QBs are the bonafide great franchise QBs in recent drafts. The underlined QBs are 2nd tier franchise QBs. The only #1 overall pick who has become a great franchise QB in this group is Joe Burrow.
2016 - #1 Jared Goff, #2 Carson Wentz
2017 - #2 Mitch Trubisky, #10 Patrick Mahomes, #12 Deshaun Watson
2018 - #1 Baker Mayfield, #3 Sam Darnold, #7 Josh Allen, #10 Josh Rosen, #32 Lamar Jackson
2019 - #1 Kyler Murray, #6 Daniel Jones
2020 - #1 Joe Burrow, #5 Tua Tagovailoa, #6 Justin Herbert, #26 Jordan Love, #53 Jalen Hurts
2021 - #1 Trevor Lawrence, #2 Zach Wilson, #3 Trey Lance, #11 Justin Fields, #15 Mac Jones
2022 - #20 Kenny Pickett, #262 Brock Purdy
2 hours ago, DCofNC said:
The word you are looking for is “Jaded”. JA is a purple zebra unicorn with a golden horn that ***** rainbows. There is nobody like him, we are watching true and amazing greatness. He’s got as big of arm as anyone, is as dangerous running the ball as any QB, is a top 5 passer with throws that literally only he and maybe Maholmes can make mixed into every game, and he’s a level headed, man’s man, that’s as likable as Santa Clause. To watch anyone in college and compare to that guy, especially at this spot in his career, is utterly ridiculous.Josh came into the league as a giant question mark and overcame insane odds to become what he is. You have to look way past what their stats say and look for the potential of special. That’s obviously insanely tough to predict with any degree of accuracy. I look at this year’s class and I’ll tell you now I certainly haven’t done anything more than watch some games, not study of any kind, I see a Maholmes/Allen type of potential in Dart and I can also see him being Will Levis. It’s a crap shoot. I think Sanders could be sneaky like Daniels, he’s got a similar skill set, though Daniels did it at a higher level of competition. Cam Ward, man idk what it is? I just don’t like him, I feel like he’s Geno Smith 2.0, but the early version. I’m probably way off and don’t care, but it’s my .02
That is the best description of Josh Allen I have ever heard or read!!! Thank you!
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48 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Did the Jets leave the league or something lol?
Has any other team offered a disgruntled RB a big pay day since then? The few RBs who have gotten big second or third contracts have been the guys who have been "team players" like Barkley.
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1 hour ago, yall said:
Way overpriced. $340 square foot?
I don't think it's actually for sale.
I looked at the photos, and I wasn't impressed. I would call the house "uninspiring" rather than "stunning". I have no doubt that it's filled with the usual expensive finishes that are popular with buyers with lots of bucks to spend on a house, but it's just an ordinary suburban tract house that could have been built in the last 30 years in Anywhere, USA. Put it in a less upscale subdivision and it's a $500k house. Put it in a less upscale subdivision with less expensive finishes, and it's a $300K house.
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10 hours ago, FireChans said:
Just because the Jests did something stupid doesn't mean that other teams are as stupid. They also traded for a 39-year-old QB a couple of years ago. Bell's big contract done 6 years ago sure isn't going to make teams line up to sign disgruntled RBs for big bucks. If anything, it's a cautionary tale for NOT paying RBs.
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5 hours ago, nosejob said:
The Bills won't force him to play out his contract. I don't think that's how they roll. It's either he agrees to a reasonable deal or he's gone and I don't think it matters if it's draft day or August. I'd love to keep him and I'm sure an offer will be made but there will be a limit. IMO he drops too many balls to start making demands.
I don't think that it will ever come to the Bills "forcing" Cook to play for them. He has a valid contract for 2025, and it's in his best interest to play as well as he can. There is also no deadline for the Bills to extend him until after the 2025 season, so the two sides can keep talking for quite a while. If they don't come to agreement, the Bills can either franchise him (which would be a nice pay day for Cook) or let him walk.
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50 minutes ago, julian said:
Players with piss poor attitudes get paid by other teams, there’s always a team willing to take a chance that a scenery change is all that’s needed… just ask Diggs and the Patriots.
Temperamental WRs get paid, especially when they've amassed multiple 1000-yard receiving seasons because they're hard to find and tend to have pretty long effective careers. They can also be game breakers when paired with good/great QBs, which means that teams need excellent WRs.
RBs are not WRs. Most RBs start declining in their late 20s because of the wear and tear on their bodies. It's also not the 1990s when teams absolutely needed great RBs. Cook's also not a great RB like Saquan Barkley or Derrick Henry. He's not even an every down RB. It's unlikely that many teams are going to be willing to pay top dollar for a temperamental RB who's not an every down back.
I don't think holding out or playing with a crappy attitude is in Cook's best interest if he and the Bills can't come to terms before the season starts.
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10 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
Unless he holds out the maximum amount of games needed to get a full season toward FA.
8 hours ago, julian said:Depends on Cook’s attitude towards playing for the Bills this year on his current contract, if he can keep his head down and continue to be a positive vibe in the locker room and good teammate like he has up until this point, then you let him play it out and collect a 3rd round compensatory pick next year when he walks.
If Cook decides to be a douche bag, then get him outta town for whatever you can get and just keep on moving.
Holding out for nearly half the 2025 season or playing with a crappy attitude all season isn't going to encourage other NFL teams to pay him the big bucks he wants in 2026.
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12 hours ago, JerseyBills said:
Funny to see all these former Jests QBs making this $ from another team.
Geno, Darnold, Rodgers
What's really funny is that Geno and Darnold have both taken teams to the playoffs while the Jests can't even make the playoffs with a future HOFer playing QB.
12 hours ago, GunnerBill said:The Raiders are not going QB at 6. This is the final nail in that coffin. You don't hire a 70 odd year old Head Coach let him bring his placeholder QB from his last place in, then extend said QB to waste draft capital on a replacement. They are gonna try and win now with Grandpa Pete and Geno.
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11 hours ago, julian said:That’s crazy, but I think your 100% correct and I’m glad to be about as far away from that type of team building as one could possibly be.
It's not that crazy if the team doesn't think they can get a franchise QB in this draft. Ward, Sanders, and Dart aren't in the same class as Elway, Kelly and Marino or Mayfield, Darnold, Allen as prospects.
8 hours ago, DapperCam said:What is the goal here, make the playoffs and get bounced in the wild card round? I guess it beats a 17 year playoff drought.
How excited were we Bills fans in 2017 when we squeaked into the playoffs after 17 years? When you're a fan of a perennial bottom feeder team, making the playoffs is your biggest goal. Ya gotta make the playoffs before ya can win a playoff game.
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3 hours ago, H2o said:
So, out of 61 picks since 2017, 13 have started more than half of the games in a season. Out of those 13, 5 of them are from the 2017 and 2018 drafts. That means only 8 players since the 2019 draft have stared more than half of the games in a season. That's basically an average of one player per year. You can spin that one of three ways. You can say we drafted guys who weren't ready to play, you can say it's because we were already good at those positions and there was no need for a rookie to start, or it can be that McDermott will always lean on the guy with seniority for the sake of seniority over the guy just drafted. In varying instances, each of them has been true.
In the real world of the modern NFL, Day 3 picks (Rounds of 4-7) of any team seldom start many games as rookies, and 37 of the Bills' draft picks between 2017 and 2024 were Day 3 picks. Including all these picks who are highly unlikely to start at all on many teams -- or even make the teams -- makes it appear that McDermott "doesn't like to play rookies", which isn't true at all.
More than half of the Bills' 24 Day 1 and Day 2 picks started at least half of the games in their rookie seasons (13 of 24). The most NFL-ready prospects are found in rounds 1 and 2, so those are the rookies most likely to start most of their games during their first season. The Bills had 7 first round draft picks between 2017 and 2024, and 5 of them started more than half their games. Ed Oliver started 7 games and Kaiir Elam started 4 games as a rookie. The Bills had only 2 second round picks, Zach Moss and James Cook, both RBs, who didn't start at least 1 game as rookies.
McDermott is more than willing to start rookies if they're good enough to play.
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13 hours ago, H2o said:
McDermott isn't a big fan of rookies either.
The claim that McDermott doesn't "like" to play rookies simply isn't true.
These players all played at least 8 games as rookies:
- Tre White, 1st rounder, started all 16 games
- Greg Rousseau, 1st rounder, started all 17 games
- O'Cyrus Torrence, 2nd rounder, started all 17 games
- Tremaine Edmunds, 1st rounder, started 15 games
- Cody Ford, 2nd rounder, started 15 games
- Keon Coleman, 2nd rounder, started 12 games
- Dion Dawkins, 2nd rounder, started 11 games
- Josh Allen, 1st rounder, started 11 games
- Matt Milano, 5th rounder, started 5 games
- Dawson Knox, 3rd rounder, started 11 games
- Gabe Davis, 4th rounder, started 11 games
- Dalton Kincaid, 1st rounder, started 11 games
- Zay Jones, 2nd rounder, started 10 games
- Spencer Brown, 3rd rounder, started 10 games
- Devin Singletary, 3rd rounder, started 8 games
Damar Hamlin and James Cook are the only Bills current starters drafted by the Bills who did not start as rookies.
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4 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
I'm not saying pigeon hole a 1st Round Pick at any position. Obviously if the value isn't there at one position but is at another position of need, don't force a pick just bc you think one position is in more of a need than the other. Find the best value at a position of need and make that your pick.
That's my position on the draft too. Whether to go CB or DT or WR in the first round depends upon who's available. Don't pass on a better CB prospect to take a lesser DT prospect ... or vice versa.
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5 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
Remember the Legion of Doom in Seattle? Two of them, Sherman and Chancelor, were 5th-round picks. For others, not you, to say we can't find quality like that in later rounds is incorrect.
I think a big difference between first round CBs and Day 2 or 3 CBs is that the first rounders tend to be bigger. Obviously speed counts, too, but it's more common to find smaller, speedy CBs in the middle rounds with excellent instincts who go on to become good/excellent starters than at many other positions ... and many of these players become starters right out of the gate.
5 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
if we take massive DT’s early, at worst they are immediately helping us stop the run. D is better instantly. At best, they collapse pockets and wreck games. D is elite.if we take a CB early….the player’s floor is MUCH lower IMO. Especially after the Elam experiment
I totally disagree. No draft pick comes with a guarantee, even a first round DT ... and FTR, McDermott's first pick in 2017 was Tre White who started every game as a rookie and became an All Pro CB before injuries wrecked his career.
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4 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:
Beane just needs to draft a young speedy guy instead of acquiring older or 2nd tier ones through FA.
Brown, McKenzie, Sanders, Harty and Samuel are my examples.
For some reason these guys (with exception of Brown) have not clicked with Josh.
FTR I am so hoping Samuel stays healthy all year.
I think finding another vertical threat via the draft is probably the best strategy, too. I take issue with the poster who claimed that Beane and McDermott have some kind of psychological issue with speedy receivers. There's no evidence of that.
3 hours ago, bigK14094 said:Lets see....well...Kelvin Benjamin is a case in point.
You claimed that Beane and McDermott have a "deep seated distrust of burner receivers". In what universe was Kelvin Benjamin ever a "burner receiver"?
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16 hours ago, bigK14094 said:
McD and Bean have a deep seated distrust of burner receivers. They always like the big target, who usually can't run. Witness the Coleman selection. Wasn't Josh's idea...he just went along.
What proof do you have that this is true?
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48 minutes ago, DCofNC said:
There is never a bad time to land a franchise QB, even if it’s only as trade bait.
Except when there isn't a franchise QB to be had. This is not the draft to be in need of a franchise QB, maybe not even a backup.
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32 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Very interesting take when you think the difference in the game was making a play or two on offense or defense.
I personally believe that good players make more plays than bad players and elite players make more plays than good players.
In single elimination playoffs where the teams are fairly evenly matched, luck is a much bigger factor than pure talent. Anybody can make a mistake that changes the course of the game, ie the Minneapolis Miracle. Anybody can get hurt in a game, ie Dre Greenlaw's Achilles injury in the Super Bowl. Anybody can have a bad day, ie Andy Reid n the last Super Bowl. A roster filled with big stars (and supposedly elite players) doesn't even guarantee a playoff berth much less a playoff win, ie the Dallas Cowboys for the last 20 years.
A team has to have all its ducks -- from things it can control to random events -- line up in a row in order to win a Super Bowl.
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4 hours ago, FireChans said:
Again, will likely not affect his 2025 cap at all (if they even choose to extend him)
But while there is not a real “choice” between re-signing those players and bringing in new players, it’s framed that way. Sounds better than “we are just running back the same team last year with a different old, often hurt, possibly washed EDGE,” I suppose.
I wouldn't object to the Bills trading for a big name WR and extending him ... if he's truly a difference maker not just a big name. I don't think that's Metcalf. That he's better than any of the Bills WRs doesn't mean that the Bills should have traded for him when acquiring Garrett or Crosby became a moot point. Metcalf isn't the same level of WR that either Garrett or Crosby are pass rushers. I was on the fence about trading for Hendrickson because I don't think he's on the same level as Garrett or Crosby, either.
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26 minutes ago, FireChans said:
sure improve the defense. Cool. No problems at all. But when there’s no big fish to chase on defense, but there is on offense, don’t let good be the enemy of great.
I don't think that DK Metcalf would make the Bills "great" because I don't think he's really a "difference maker". I have never particularly like Metcalf, even when he had Wilson throwing moon balls to him. I'd prefer that the Bills extend Benford (which they have done) and Cook rather than shell out a 2nd rounder plus $132 million for Metcalf.
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58 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:
3 pm, but don’t know what channel/service it will be on.
The Miami Open is on the Tennis Channel at 3 pm. It's channel 406 on Spectrum.
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41 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
I thought this thread said she took a “job” with the Dolphins!!
I had to do a double take, too!
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Trade-up for Travis Hunter
in The Stadium Wall
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The Bills first rounder in 2018 was #12, which gave them about twice the trade value points than they have at #30. They gave up #12 plus #53 and #56 to move up to #7. That's 5 spots. The Bills would be moving up about 25 spots. Not realistic.
Hunter is likely to go in the top five, which is about 200 or more trade value points higher than #7. The Bills would have to give up their 2025 first and both seconds plus their 2026 first plus possibly other picks or players. I don't think that Hunter is worth nearly that much. I'm not sure that even Abdul Carter is worth that much draft capital.