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19 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:
I thought he was pretty good when he played previously. Looked decent in preseason this year. He’s a QB coming back from an injury that showed promise before it. By all accounts a great guy too. It was obvious he’d get another shot somewhere other than NY and they got a pretty good asset in return. He was a commodity once they drafted Darnold.
He was. I think Bills fans would be ecstatic if Allen could do as well as TBW in his first two NFL seasons. He started 12 games as a rookie, threw 14 TDs, 12 INTs, and 2900+ yards. As a sophomore, he threw for 14 TDs, 9 INTs, 3200+ yards and led the Vikings to an 11-5 record and the playoffs. He averaged more than 7.5 YPA, which isn't too shabby either. BTW, Adrian Peterson played in every game for the Vikes that season, averaged 92+ yards a game, and led the NFL in rushing with 1485 yards, so it wasn't like the Vikes didn't throw a whole lot because of TBW. They didn't have a spectacular passing game because they had the best rusher in the NFL.
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7 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:
How do you figure it's not long term?
I don't get that idea (not long term), either. Instead of gambling on a QB in the draft where almost 3 out of 5 first rounders crash and burn, the Saints took a more practical route. Bridgewater isn't a career backup but has been successful at the NFL level. He's a backup only because of a near career-ending injury.
Is he Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck? Probably not, but there's no guarantee that any of the 2017 or 2018 first round QBs will be confused for Rodgers or Luck, either. TBW is at least as good as QBs like Flacco, Dalton, Bortles, etc and maybe even as good as top tier QBs like Roethlisberger, Stafford or Ryan. I think that the Saints play a much more wide-open offensive style than the Vikings did when TBW was their QB, too, so he can't be judged by his limited statistical success early on in his career.
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52 minutes ago, Commonsense said:
RB- 4 YPC last year, another year older, I don’t expect a big uptick. The position is average at best. Shady will provide a few wow moments and a few I’m glad this is his last year here.
I think that the run game will disappoint a whole lot of fans. The run game is going to suffer because of how poor the passing game will be. It's not going to be pretty.
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3 hours ago, Utah John said:
It isn't the OC's fault the talent on the O line is so bad.
Whaley and Beane both tried to upgrade the O line through the draft. A lot of their picks haven't worked out, but at least they tried. And they did get Dawkins.
They tried some FAs too but if Ducasse is the best you can show, you're doing something wrong. (OK, they did bring in Richie but that was out of desperation. And even though Richie was playing at a high level, the Bills clearly pushed him out the door by giving him a pay cut after he made the Pro Bowl. They must have seen the crazies coming on.)
It's also not on Whaley and Beane that Wood developed his neck issues and retired.
The only hope the Bills had was to develop the talent they did have, which requires a great O line coach. They had a very good O line coach (the guy who had the altercation with the kids on the beach) but they let him go. The current coach just doesn't seem up to the job.
As I said on one of these threads a week ago, if they don't fix the O line, it doesn't matter a bit who plays QB. There won't be a running game, the QB will get killed, and we'll have to hope the defense wins us a lot of 9-7 games. It's going to be a long year.
The bolded statement is untrue.
- With a decently functional OL, Whaley drafted Cyrus Kouandijo, OT, in the 2nd, Cyril Richard, OG, in the 5th, and Seantrel Henderson, OT, in the 7th in 2014. He then drafted John Miller, OG, in the 3rd in 2015, and Dion Dawkins, OT, in the 2nd in 2017. He also signed FAs Richie Incognito and Justin Mills. He brought in OG Vlad Ducasse as a backup. So, yes, he tried to improve the OL.
- Beane, faced with an OL that struggled in 2017 and the loss of a Pro Bowl OG and an above average OC, allowed back up OTs Kouandijo and Henderson walk in FA, signed bottom feeder FAs Russell Bodine, OC, and Conor McDermott, OT, traded away above average OT Cordy Glenn, and drafted an OG (Wyatt Teller) at the end of the 5th round. That's called ignoring the OL not trying to fix the OL problems.
I think that the Bills forced Incognito to take a pay cut simply because they don't value the offense, and especially they don't value the OL. The total dismantling of the offense since McDermott was named HC underscores that lack of value of the offense. Dismantling a functional offense while giving up a fortune in draft picks for a QB underscores how poorly McDermott and Beane understand offensive football. Daboll will be the scapegoat for their ignorance.
My guess is that fans will start calling for Daboll's head after the third game of the season since the Bills open the season at Baltimore, play the Chargers at home, and then visit the Vikings, three teams with strong pass rushes, and each D better than the last one. I can't see the OL being effective against those three teams.
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9 hours ago, Lfod said:
I never seen feelings change so fast.
My feelings haven't changed at all. I've been warning about the Bills FO's inattention to the lack of talent on the OL and WRs for months.
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54 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:
Please tell me what he said that was inaccurate, and feel free to use your own analysis and comparisons to show us why this article was inaccurate.
It was pretty spot on.
Agreed Kirby.
This year could be a tire-fire, especially with the Oline, which is awful.
The receivers have some potential, but also haven't proven anything, and thus far, have not looked good.
Davis looks awful.
The article was pretty spot on, the Bills could be in for a really rough year, or they could have a great season if a lot of the young guys pan out to their potential.
I'm willing to be we don't crack 5 wins, since our Oline looks like a disaster, and we have some SERIOUS pass rushes coming early in the season.
Everything he said was accurate.
Oline stinks.
Receivers stink unless coleman and zay pan out.
Edmunds is very good, which he said is a "future superstar" although he is a rookie, and will make a lot of mistakes calling the shots, which is expected.
CB outside of White looks terrible. Davis looks like a mess, and gains as well.
Zero pass rush outside of Hughes.
Star looks like he's mailing it in already.
We have some really solid young guys, but they don't look ready for big time yet.
Excellent posts, SouthNY.
"De-Nial" isn't only a river in Egypt; it's alive and well among many Bills fans.
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3 hours ago, twist_to_open said:
All this from one preseason game against the Bengals?
The Bills offense, most notably the OL, played almost as badly against Cleveland's first teamers, so it's NOT "one preseason game". How do you think McCarron got hurt? Of course, it's much easier to scapegoat to McCarron who's a career backup than it is to blame the rookie first round QB who cost the Bills so much, but the reality is that it's the Bills QBs who are the primary victims of the FO's incompetence ...
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22 hours ago, kota said:
The strength the Oline the last few years was from Center to the left side. With the sudden departures of Wood, and Incognito the Bills are now stuck filling those positions with backups. The Bills gave away alot of draft capital to get Edmunds and Allen which could have been used on the line. It's always pick your poison with this stuff.
The OLine will shake out and is probably on the list next year for upgrades with the 100 million in cap space we will have.
Incognito was 35 in 2017. How could his retirement have come as a surprise? 35 is no longer ancient for an NFL lineman on either side of the ball, but a team has to start planning for the future. Miller's poor play in 2017 should have been a red flag that they couldn't expect much from him if anything happened to Incognito.
The Bills hardly ever seem able to address improving their OL or adding depth to it because they're always so damned busy filling holes created by their inability/unwillingness to keep many of the good players they draft beyond their rookie contracts, so they are constantly using the draft to fill the holes they themselves created. If the Bills had kept Stephon Gilmore they wouldn't have had to draft White in the first round in 2017 or trade a 2018 third to get Benjamin. Moreover, if they were so bent on getting a first round QB in 2018, why did they get rid of their entire WR corps in 2018 -- a WR corps that went on to shine on their new teams? The only difference I see between the Bills under Ralph Wilson and his minions and Terry Pegula and his minions is the names and faces ... and better propaganda.
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42 minutes ago, Spiderweb said:
Yes .. he's dealing with the hand dealt to him, albeit quite poorly however.
Ever hear the statement, "you can get blood from a stone"? Well, in any sport, coaching can only go so far. It cannot make slow players faster. It can't make awkward players nimble and athletic. It can't make a weak arm into a strong one. The best coaching can do is help a player reach his max potential, but if that potential isn't there, coaching isn't going to create it.
The Bills OL lacks talent. Maybe Dion Dawkins is a starting caliber NFL OLer, but the rest aren't at this point. They cannot physically compete against DLs that are starting caliber units, and especially they can't compete against teams that have elite pass rushers. All the coaching in the world cannot change that.
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2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
even the guys high on Tyrod predicted 4 to 6 wins for 3 straight seasons
optimism.. I always want 8 or more wins preferably 10 or more
I don't know what you think a prediction is, but when I make a prediction about something, it's what I think/expect to happen based on some kind of evidence. Y'know ... I get up in the morning when I'm planning an outdoor event and see storm clouds, so I think getting today's event in without getting wet may be very dicey. When I check the Weather Channel and see 20% chance of rain, I can raise my expectations that maybe my event will be okay. OTOH, if it's 100% chance of rain, I'm wishing I'd sprung to rent a tent. It has nothing to do with what I want, and everything to do with the likelihood of something happening.
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29 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
in which context - Bills Fans or the Buffalo Bills?
If its the fans, then imo I say - Not totally correct.
Just look at the crowd that "predicts" a 4 to 6 win season. (before Sundays outing) Now its the first 8 weeks with ZERO wins.
Just because some fans are not optimistic doesn't mean that they don't want the team to win. Wanting the team to win doesn't equate to ignoring the team's shortcomings.
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I'm on the side of not getting Allen killed behind a horrendous OL early on. Sacrifice Peterman and McCarron first.
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5 minutes ago, ThunderGun said:
I personally would, gladly. What’s he going to punch me or something for stating facts and pointing out the point differential was embarrassing last year? That they had no right being in over the Chargers who destroyed this team???
Or that they don’t get in if Dalton doesn’t perform a miracle??? How about their overall defensive and offensive rankings?
Crazy thing is McD backs into the playoffs at 9-7 after an insane play by Dalton, and the snow game which easily could’ve gone either way, while Rex is routinely bashed as a terrible mistake despite finishing 1 game worse in his first of just two seasons while McD is regarded as some kind of wunderkind for literally finish one win better... I would bet good money that this team wins less than 7 games this year and after two years McDermotts W/L is worse than Rex’s.
Dude is is terribly overrated, and likely the second coming of Dick Jauron in both his conservative approach to the game and “bend but don’t break” defense, but gets the benefit of the doubt because he won 9 games, technically ended the drought, and didn’t quit like Marrone...
I've never been a Rex fan but I think you are spot on with your evaluation of the difference between Ryan and McDermott. McDermott does some things very well, and I think he gets much more out of the talent he has than many coaches, but he's not in the same zip code with other new HCs who have truly engineered franchise turn arounds in 1 or 2 seasons in recent years. Doug Peterson and John McVay immediately come to mind. Anthony Lynn may be another one.
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5 hours ago, Mark Vader said:
We did not back into the playoffs.
Keep telling yourself that and someday even you'll believe you.
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5 hours ago, Kmart128 said:
It's one thing for us to take the game lightly band lose intentionally... It's a whole other for us to get our QBs killed. If we were trying to look bad and catch people off guard then we wouldn't be risking injury to our franchise QB.
However I do think we will be better than how we are playing. McDermott seems to get the most out of what he has. Just look at the run defense against Jets, Saints, and Chargers... We were horrendous but eventually Sean got them playing well enough for us to win. I could see same thing happening with OLine. Sean proved with our run defense last year that he can get his players to improve at areas of weakness
The problem is that the way the Bills are playing now screams 0-16.
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Did I miss something? AFAIK, being born rich doesn't guarantee a person having intelligence, discernment, compassion, honesty or anything other than piles of money.
28 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:I think your forgeting the best President ever....The late great Ronald Reagan.
LOL.
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6 hours ago, Agent 91 said:
I was just playing on a typical McDermott sound bite. They always say we want to do things.... the right way. I think interpret that to mean our way. Morally and Faith based
I think that that's a good assessment of McDermott's philosophy. I've said a couple of times in posts that I felt that McDermott was basically a "my way or the highway" type of guy.
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1 hour ago, Trogdor said:
The Pegulas have screwed up quite a bit in both franchises. It's crazy to me that your GM isn't selecting the coach.
I feel the same. Coaches think in the short term, usually now, and maybe next week or the week after. GMs are supposed to be the guys who think in the long term, next season, the season after that. A long term mind set is critical for managing personnel within the salary cap, too.
I truly feel that not having a GM who is truly "in charge" of the team, including selecting the HC and making final personnel decision, has been the biggest reason that the Bills have wallowed in mediocrity or worse since John Butler departed. If the GM selects the HC, he can pick a guy who fits his philosophy and whose willing to adapt to the players that are already there. Just because a team has a rough year or multiple years doesn't mean that all the players are crappy. Even though Cleveland went 0-16 last season, they still had some talented players, particularly on defense. If your team has a great 3-4 D, changing to a 4-3 that doesn't suit your personnel on the whim of your newly hired HC -- who may be a first time HC at that -- is a prescription for guaranteeing a long rebuild.
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1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:
The Browns story hasn’t been written yet... but by the looks of it, I wouldn’t be surprised if they finished ahead of us.
i like McBeane but I have to admit they have made a few questionable decisions.
Dorsey may be the guy who turns them around, but they'll remain the poster child for "it's not where you draft but who you draft" until they prove that they've actually improved.
That said, I thought that they might win more games than the Bills even before that travesty yesterday. Now I'm convinced of it, primarily because I don't think the Bills will win many games.
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1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:
A good rational post.
Poor OL play is probably going to happen more than the average fan will like this year.
Castillo is the OL coach and Run game coordinator. His run blocking scheme is pretty good.
Castillo's pass protection scheme is poor. Add this to the lower level talent on the OL and the results are not good.
I for one am interested in what happens later this week. Does Beane and McDermott feel that the OL needs attention or will
they stick with what they got.
They're going to be on the phone to the Raiders promising next year's first rounder and Dion Dawkins for Kalil Mack.
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Allen wasn't the problem at all yesterday. He's got a ways to go, but he certainly looks better than Manuel did at this point (Losman broke his leg in TC and didn't play until a few plays very late in the season). He has a lot of poise under pressure but he also has a lot more of the fundamentals he needs to learn, too. It certainly wouldn't hurt him to be the backup QB at least for a while, perhaps even the entire season, while he worked on improving his skills.
My main worry in starting him is that it's likely any QB who starts in the regular season is going to get steam-rolled pretty regularly. I would hate for Allen to suffer a season ending injury in a meaningless game and be stuck on crutches so he couldn't work on his footwork, mechanics, etc which are things that need to be practiced almost incessantly until they become ingrained -- or worse, develop/redevelop bad habits while trying to escape pass rushers.
As others have said, it's easy to go from Peterman or McCarron to Allen. It's not that easy to go from Allen to Peterman or McCarron. It says that "the QB of the future" can't win football games or is the reason the team isn't winning football games.
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38 minutes ago, thunderingsquid said:
I think we need to approach this year with skepticism. We have a dumpster fire on our hands at o line, the big glaring reason but not the only is the disappearance of Wood and Incognito. A talent flush.
The silver lining is that we have a lot of cap space next year, the draft is deep at tackle (but not guard or center) but the free agent market is deep at all three OL positions.
I trust the law firm of McDermott and Beane to get us some help but it won't come very soon.
Hoping some creativity on offense, some run game help from Shady and Dawkins' return can mask some of our woes. I'm not sold on Peterman as starter but he does not hold on to the ball as much as Allen.
I've been a Bills fan since I was about 13. I'm 68. I no longer trust anybody in any position of authority in the Bills FO or on the coaching staff to actually have a clueabout how to build a winning team. The late John Butler was the last competent exec at OBD, and he left for California back in 2000 or 2001.
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2 hours ago, Trogdor said:
Whaley was really good at FA, but not great at the draft. That being said, outside of qb, a lot of his draft picks are still in the league. Beane reminds me of Tim Murray more and more everyday.
That's 28th amongst starters. I've see a few that had him last.
Whaley was good in the draft, too. His draft picks are sprinkled all over the NFL on playoff teams, including SB winning Philly. His problem was that when the Bills hired a new HC, they always hired one who wanted to start from scratch with his own players in his own system rather than change his system to fit the players he had.
16 hours ago, Punt75 said:These two centers were awful today. Bodine was ranked 28th out of the starting centers in the NFL. Why did they sign him? Ryan Groy was supposed to be Woods replacement at Center yet he's 2nd string at guard & center. I see nothing at all positive from him.
New England pays their center $800,000.
Any explanation???
He's on his rookie contract. Unless they're first rounders, OLers don't get paid a lot.
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2 minutes ago, ******* said:
If peterman starts what is the point of keeping AJ? Showcase him on Thursday then trade him
If you watched the game yesterday, the only question you should be asking is, is Beane updating his database of NFL FA QBs hourly? Methinks he'll need it.
Aaron Rodgers Signs Record Breaking Extension with the Packers
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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The Bills are stuck in the 1990s, and they have no intention of joining the 21st century. My guess is that it's because there's less competition for HCs espousing out-dated offensive philosophies ... and RBs are much cheaper and plentiful than true franchise QBs. The current regime may even be worse than some previous ones. McDermott and Beane don't seem to understand offensive football and don't care to learn, otherwise they wouldn't have stripped the passing offense of most of its receiver talent and ignored obviously serious problems with the OL while they were supposedly preparing to draft a first round QB. Even great QBs like Rodgers need protection and targets. DOH.