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DTV is offering free NFL Sunday Ticket this Sunday. Channels 701-718 I believe.
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13 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:
Haha he's not in the literal sense. Not at all. Trying to salvage all those confused emojis you just got with those negative rep points
I mean with the mass Exodus we have had on offense, poor coaching, the Chargers fiasco. I think the offense was really pissed off as a whole. Maybe Deonte Thompson didn't want to stay. Glenn really wasn't up for playing hurt for a garbage offense. And Wood and Ritchie didn't see it getting any better. We saw this happen really quickly to an extremely good 49ers linebacking corps. Some units are close (or not close at all) and decide they're fed up with the direction the team was going.
The defense was great and all last season. Just saying I can empathize with the malcontents on offense. Would you play hurt during the Peterman game? You'd come out saying your pulled groin got strained after pick 2.
FWIW I think a lot of them were in Tyrod's camp and didn't like how he was treated. We obviously feel differently but we're not in the locker room!
It's like if the teacher's pet getting heaps of praise while the teacher keeps trashing on your best friend. You're not going to think that dude is cool, and you're going to be disappointed when your buddy gets sent to juvenile detention school (browns)
I believe there was serious concern about this last season after the disaster in the Chargers game but luckily, McDermott managed to regain the locker room.
After watching the performance of the Bills first teamers in the third preseason game, I'm concerned that the Bills have a serious morale problem again. There was something off with the starters in that game, almost as if they were going through the motions rather than giving their all. The 2nd and 3rd teamers were the ones who demonstrated effort and spirit.
10 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:No question he is ill. He likely has more than one affliction at this point. serious post.
Now i think he is just amusing himself as best he can.
I thought it was humor from Kmart. home of the blue light special !
Sort of like the current occupant of the Oval Office.
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24 minutes ago, ericcomposer72 said:
I'm honestly curious what everyone thinks, because I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility (he looked good last preseason, too). I'm worried it's as high as 40%, but I'll say 30% and be the optimist.
Poll only goes up to 80% because even typing more was too depressing.
Thoughts?
I said 5% because I don't think even Peterman can duplicate his record performance. Maybe 4 in the same half, but 5 ...
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On 9/2/2018 at 9:56 PM, Jerome007 said:
Dead cap space is horrendous but mostly on the past regime. Hopefully it quickly corrects itself by the next year or 2020
I disagree. This is a perfect example of Bills cheerleaders using half-truths and untruths to exempt McDermott and Beane from responsibility for their actions by scapegoating individuals who are no longer with the Bills.
- McDermott and Beane chose to trade Dareus ($13.6 million), Glenn ($9.6 million), Taylor ($7.6 million), and Ragland ($1.2 million) without regard to the cap consequences, creating $32 million in dead cap money.
- They also chose to bring in Corey Coleman ($3.5 million) and AJ McCarron ($2.1 million) for essentially tryouts and send them both packing before the regular season even starts, resulting in $5.6 million in dead cap money.
- The bulk of the remainder of dead cap money goes to Eric Wood ($10.4 million) and Aaron Williams ($2.4 million), both of whom were forced to retire because of injury, for a total of $12.6 million. Retirements due to injuries can't be blamed on anybody.
That's a total of $37.6 million of the Bills $53+ million dead cap money.
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27 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:
Sincere question, are you a Bills fan? Because you say, "you nor any of the other Bills fans"....if not, why come here? If you are, then let me answer your question with an answer:
"The process" is the aggregation of effort, focus, resources, and design that initially eliminates any person that does not embrace the team first mentality, who is not willing to work hard every day at all things assigned, and whose general position within the team causes the team to be weaker. Then, the process uses the same set of aforementioned standards to begin to illuminate those players, coaches, evaluators, front office staff, and support staff that accomplish those tasks with a team first approach and who will utilize their talent and motivation to excel to achieve a collective outcome that no one could attain without a unified and singularly focused intent. It is taking all the parts and making it greater that its total by exponentially improving each individual part because the whole is working cohesively. That means the players, not just their talent but all of the previously stated traits, the coaches and the entire staff including scouts and administrative support staff, work as one entity making the individual less important for their specific success but increasing their effectiveness through a sacrificial and selfless drive for the greater good of the team. The process to sustain this model is merely a continuous cycling of elimination and acquisition of the players and staff whom fit within the paradigm and advance the only metric of success that matters in the NFL: a championship.
The process is essentially cutting off the dead branches, pruning the good ones to bring out a more productive tree, and continuously finding the mulch, fertilizer, essential nutrients to the soil, sunshine to shade ratio, and basic water to insure a vibrant and healthy environment that allows the tree, or in this analogy the organization / franchise, to thrive. But more to the point, the process, is exactly as it sounds. The culture change, the player development, the coaching synergy, and the front office efficacy is NOT an overnight event.....it takes time and a didactic march toward improvement. Sometimes, as in battle, you must retreat to a higher ground, gather your resources and rally the troops, wait for reinforcements, before you advance once again.
I have no idea how this year will turn out. But what I truly believe is in the process because it's been a mild success thus far and no the playoff drought snap does NOT buy Beane and McD 10 years. But I do think it gets them 3 more without calling into question their methods unless this team does a total Chip Kelly tank. What should also be noted is not just "us Bills fans", but reports coming out of training camp were virtually every national media outlet who sent someone to training camp came away impressed with Sean and Beane and how their "process" is moving along. I would hate to throw away this year and say, "Eh, we made the playoffs last year so who cares with this year"....because great organizations don't do that and I don't think they're doing that at all. But, I also think they know that they have to swallow all this dead Cap money in order to move forward in a healthy way. Looking at the trades and roster cuts, I think that was Beane's primary focus - outside of the Draft - this off-season. Eliminate the dead wood and prepare to grow organically and in a way that is healthy for sustainable success in the future.
Long post, but you came in poked the bear and presumed someone would just come in with a couple sentences telling you to "f" off.....I am saying that....but politely and with more reasoned insight, albeit IMHO. Btw, whatever team you're rooting for - because obviously it's not the Bills - enjoy the season.
IOW, McDermott is the reincarnation of Dick Jauron only with better game day coaching skills.
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Drew Brees never threw 5 INTs in a half in the NFL ... maybe in Pop Warner but not in the NFL.
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3 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:
Maybe, but to his credit KB played through injury and may have been productive if Tyrod looked his way every so often. Plus he appears healthy this season and ready to play. As far as Murphy goes, I didn’t like the signing either but if he shows up for the opener with a pair of sacks and plays well I’ll be happy to eat crow.
My post wasn't about whether the players themselves are good or bad on the field, but rather the claims of some posters that the reason the Bills traded Watson and Glenn was primarily because they had injuries and intimating that McDermott and Beane didn't want players on the team that may have had injuries that took significant time to heal or were possibly chronic conditions. Obviously, from their actions, that's simply untrue.
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6 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:
Hmmmm...... Lets get rid of the chronically injured, the forced to retire and the bat $#iT crazy.....
Thats more like it....
That line might hold water if the Bills hadn't traded for a WR with chronically bad knees and signed a FA DE who has barely practiced all TC and preseason because of a groin injury.
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14 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:
Until Richie has completed a program I wouldn’t put too much Into anything he says. He needs help not ridicule.
Richie and Eric retired and Cordy wanted out.
Who said Glenn "wanted out"? Glenn was injured last year. Maybe McDermott and Beane wanted him out, but there was never any hint that Glenn actually did. This another example of an apologist for the current Bills regime making up bull manure to justify bad moves by the Bills supposed "brain trust".
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7 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
I am not saying there should be censorship of negative posts. I am asking what the motivation is for doing so, when there are posters who specialize in such.
I happen to to agree with your thoughts on the O line. I disagree about comparing the current GM and HC to what has been done for decades; it is comparing apples and oranges.
Such dialog seems much more reasonable than just spewing negativity about anything and everything.
No, you are not, but you are trying to stifle real discussion by continually questioning the fanhood of posters who are critical of the how the team is run ... and that's defacto censorship. Your view of "reasonable dialog" is all posters praising the Pegulas, McDermott, and Beane as saviors, and anybody else keeping their views to themselves.
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On 9/1/2018 at 11:11 AM, oldmanfan said:
Perhaps hate is too strong. Dislike?
Would you rather have Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott? Or Harvey Johnson and John Rauch?
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On 9/1/2018 at 12:02 PM, oldmanfan said:I think fans support their team and provide criticism when deserved. There are folks on this board who take every single thing this team does and spin it negatively. You know it. I know it. My question is why.
I really am am interested in ananswer. What pleasure dosuch individuals get from that. More a question of psychology than about the team per se.
Why am I critical of McDermott/Beane? It's very simple: I don't set the bar on my tolerance for Bills' FO incompetence so low that I compare them to a player personnel "guru" who was a notorious drunk and a HC who tried to turn OJ Simpson into a slotback.
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18 hours ago, Hebert19 said:
Why?
1. Daboll - even watch his offensive system. Quick hits, uses the backs and screens to slow rush etc. Peterman is a good QB for his system because he gets rid of the ball quickly.
2. Shady - hes the best friend of an o-line. In preseason no one was respecting the run (and Murphy made them pay a few times). No one was respecting the cutback. No one respecting the outside runs etc. When shady is in the game you can't just rush up the field like they were in the preseason...shady will take one to the house if you do.
3. 4 TEs - I expect a lot of chipping from the tight ends like we saw in the first game of preseason. We have 4 solid TEs all of which cam block...so expect a lot of help from the TEs in pass protection. Chip and release for 5 yards a lot.
Preseason is just that. The pre season. I dont think they will be near as bad week 1. Their a run blocking unit and daboll will call an offense that supports that.
We'll see if you're not so worried after the Chargers come to town in the third game of the season ...
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I think the lack of talent, excluding rookies, on this team and the huge amount of dead cap space pretty much says all you need to know about McDermott/Beane and their personnel skills: they're in over their heads. McDermott is a good game coach. He seems be a great coach at getting the best out of the players he has, but you cannot coach talent. All the coaching in the world is not going to turn a JAG defensive end into Khalil Mack or turn Vlad Ducasse into Dave DeCastro. McDermott is neither Bill Belichick nor Andy Reid; he should stick to coaching, have input into decisions on players, but he should not be charge of selecting player personnel, which it seems he is.
Beane seems to like to trade for injured players or players he and McDermott knew from their time with the Panthers, and he wastes draft picks -- as in he wasted a seventh round pick on Corey Coleman when he could have picked him up as a FA 2 weeks later. He also gambles too much. He traded up to take both Allen and Edmunds, both of whom are "projects" rather than players who are bonafide Day 1 starters, although Edmunds is starting because there's nobody else and Allen may start for the same reason.
For all those fans salivating over the $90 million in cap space next season, consider that the Bills have so many holes -- mostly made by McDermott and Beane -- that there's not enough talent available in FA or in the draft to fill them all.
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8 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:
RBs can be found anywhere , not sure what the relevance of Antowain Smith is . He was OK in Buffalo, but not great. The CB thing was a trend for a while , but I don’t think the McD pick of White was related to previous regimes. The team had a need at CB because Gilmore was good, but not great. He was in line for a big payday, and letting him walk was a smart move. He’s not elite. QB was an option, but I can understand not wanting a lame duck GM to select the QB for an incoming one. I’ll agree that many terrible moves were maid over the years due to Ralph’s tight purse strings and Detroit bean counters. Those days are gone, so there’s little relation. Look at NFL salaries. QBs are highest, followed by elite WRs, LTs , elite pass rushers and elite CBs. Paying a good CB as an elite one is a mistake. The Pats have won for years because of Brady. In Brady’s early years , they won with a dominant D. After Brady was established, they traded lots of very good D players instead of paying them. Paying a top RB isn’t even a thought. They don’t need it , and the game has changed in 17 years. The Bills haven’t won since they had a good starting QB. It won’t change until they do.
As for the selection with a top 5 pick , it will probably be a pass rushing DL as it appears to be the strongest position in the draft.
How do you know that Gilmore is "good but not great"? His career isn't over yet, and he's already been a Pro Bowler once. Moreover, that's the same line that Bills fans have used -- along with "he doesn't want to be here" or "the Bills can't afford him" -- when the Bills sent packing Antoine Winfield, Nate Clements, Jabari Greer, Nigel Bradham, Ronald Darby, and a slew of other good DBs they developed when or just before they were due to make market value. Meanwhile, one of their first round DBs who truly was at best "good" and mostly certainly not "great", Leodis McKelvin, they kept for 8 years.
The Bills RB swapping was legendary: Antowan Smith(1997), Travis Henry (2nd in 20010, Willis McGahee (2003), Marshawn Lynch (2007), and CJ Spiller (2010). It appears that the RB carousel finally stopped when Whaley became the GM, but it continues under the current regime.
As for Whaley, I don't think he was a lame-duck before much before the draft. He was Russ Brandon's pal from long before either one came to the Bills IIRC. I think they might have become friends in college, and that's likely why he prevailed over Marrone. I think Whaley may have became the odd man out during the process of putting together the Bills draft board, specifically over whether or not to draft a QB in the first round. McDermott won that one, and Whaley was sent packing shortly afterward.
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On 8/30/2018 at 11:24 PM, TigerJ said:
I get the frustration, and there were a lot of things to dislike this evening, but there is no correlation between team performance in preseason and regular season success.
Not true. There's no correlation between a team's record in preseason and regular season success, but teams that cannot sustain drives, that cannot run the ball or protect its QB, that take lots of penalties, etc seldom do that well in the regular season because how a team plays in preseason is a reflection of its talent and the quality of its coaching.
On 8/31/2018 at 5:58 AM, dollars 2 donuts said:There is so much right with this post I couldn't just give it a thumbs up.
I had to come in here and respond with "there is so much right with this post".
personally, I need three potential starting OLinemen from the 2019 draft, because you are not going to get even one reasonably good one in free agency.
When they are even half good they never come available, like the way WR and such come available.
I agree with this except for your last sentence. Teams other than the Bills can pick up excellent starting OLers either through FA or trade whenever the Bills decide that they can't "afford" to pay their best OLers. Andy Levitre left in FA, All Pro LT Jason Peters was traded to PHilly after a contract dispute, and, of course, Cordy Glenn was shuffled off to Cinci so that the Bills could draft a QB who's likely to fail because of the lack of pass pro to give him time to throw.
On 8/31/2018 at 7:28 AM, mabden said:1) Left Tackle
2) Center
3) Guard
4) Wide Reciever
5) Cornerback
6) Linebacker
I think you've got the order wrong. CB, LB, WR, OG, OC, LT sounds about right.
23 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:We wont have the draft capital to trade up that high
But we really havent done that for a while now besides Tre, who looks to be a great pick.
I do agree that RBs can be had in the 4th or lower rounds. Need the OL though else a shiny new QB, WR and RB can be worth David Carr.
Wasn't 2017 rather recent? The pattern that the Bills have followed for about 20 years is drafting a quality RB or DB in the first round, developing them into top players, letting them walk in FA or trading them, and then drafting their replacements in the first round of the draft. That's exactly what happened in 2017 when the Bills let Pro Bowler Stephon Gilmore leave for NE and then drafted Tre White to replace him, passing on both Mahomes and Watson in the process.
Did you know that the starting RB for the NE Patriots in their first SB run in 2001 was former Bills first round pick (1997) Antowan Smith whom the Bills let leave in FA?
The coaches and FO come and go, even Bills owners come and go, and still the more things seem to change with the Bills, the more they stay the same.
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On 8/30/2018 at 11:01 PM, greeneblitz said:
This coach will get 1 WR and 4 defensive backs, just like a long string of Buffalo Bills coaches.
Sadly, this is likely what will happen ... a token offensive player and the rest defense. Contrary to the main narrative on TBD, McDermott and Beane could be interchangeable with their predecessors since about 2000.
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3 minutes ago, aristocrat said:
Got it. Foregone conclusion. Why play the season? Is it possible? Yes. I’m not saying we will lead the league but it’s very possible we move up a few spots and have a better offense than last year.
What other team can match the Bills in its lack of starting-caliber quality OL and WR corps and the lack of experience among its QBs? The Bills OL has not demonstrated that it can pass protect except against a front 7 made up of old ladies. That spells disaster for any passing game ... which is what you referenced, not "offense".
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1 minute ago, aristocrat said:
Beacuse last year our wrs were bad and kB is a clear upgrade to anyone we had to start the year. We have shady and ivory who is a clear upgrade over Tolbert. Our pass game was 31 in the league so it’s not that hard to see that be better than last year.
Wishful thinking, dude. The Bills are lucky they can't be worse than #32 in passing.
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24 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:
Who is it going to be?
The same one it was last season.
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4 hours ago, tumaro02 said:
Cosell's problem is he may have tumbleweed sense or even some common football sense. He does not appear to have any "Buffalo Bills" football sense. His sense means absolutely nothing to me and I am surprised that anything he would have to say about the state of our QB situation has any relevance whatsoever.
"Buffalo Bills football sense"? What's that exactly? The ability to repeatedly deny reality and reject any criticism of any Bills player/coach/FO type except those the individual who has "Buffalo Bills football sense" dislikes?
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7 hours ago, fridge said:
He chooses what team to go to based on their QB needs, and it’s no mistake that he keeps finding himself on teams with issues there. You don’t see him headed to Green Bay to be a backup for a reason.
Exactly this. He chose the Bills back in 2009 exactly because he figured the Bills would be looking for somebody to replace Edwards sooner rather than later.
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9 hours ago, Starr Almighty said:
Why didn't you tell me EJ is still in the league lol
Shaq is a bust BTW. When you included the years in the league you failed to realize most of those years were not in Buffalo for those players.
Spiller was awful.
Lee Evans was not that good either.
Mcgahee was an awful pick and was nowhere near what was expected.
Sammy did not produce worth 2 1st.
Dareus wasn't worth the 3rd pick in the draft, he's very talented but for whatever reason he stopped playing for us.
Whitner missed a lot of tackles unless he hit you with is infamous back tackle.
Just because YOU don't like certain players doesn't mean they were/are busts. Moreover, the numerous examples over the last almost 20 years of ex-Bills players, whether former first rounders or former UDFAs, not only finding success on other teams but playing significant roles on Super Bowl contenders and winners totally refutes the claims of Bills apologists like you that these players "weren't good enough" or "weren't worth the money". How much is hoisting the Lombardi trophy worth?
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18 hours ago, Starr Almighty said:
You can't say they are trying to save a buck and then turn around and say none of the guys that were let go have done anything significant in the league. My point was just that The Bills almost always miss on 1st round picks. If they traded for Mack we know it's a hit and not a miss for sure. The guys that have been traded for the most part have done zip just like they did in a Bills uniform.
It's been many regimes over that time all failed. You can't fail on a sure thing
The Bills do not "almost always miss on 1st round picks". Since 2001 the Bills have had 17 first round draft picks. Only 4 have been busts, and Shaq Lawson may be one. However, 7 were Pro Bowlers, 4 went to multiple Pro Bowls, and 2 were All Pros. The reason that it may seem that the Bills haven't had much success with their first draft picks is because the Bills like to get rid of their most talented players rather than paying them. Many of these players had their most success after the Bills sent them packing.
- 2001 - Nate Clements, CB,12 years in NFL, Pro Bowl
- 2002 - Mike Williams, OT, bust
- 2003 - Willis McGahee, RB, 9 years in NFL, 2 Pro Bowls
- 2004 - Lee Evans, WR, 8 years in NFL
- 2004 - JP Losman, QB, bust
- 2006 - Donte Whitner, S, 11 years in NFL, 2 Pro Bowls
- 2007 - Marshawn Lynch, RB, 12 years in NFL, 5 Pro Bowls, All Pro
- 2008 - Leodis McKelvin, CB, 9 years in NFL
- 2009 - Aaron Maybin, DE, bust
- 2009 - Eric Wood, C, 8 years in NFL
- 2010 - CJ Spiller, RB, 9 years in NFL, Pro Bowl
- 2011 - Marcell Dareus, DT, 8 years in NFL, 2 Pro Bowls, All Pro
- 2012 - Stephon Gilmore, CB, 7 years in NFL, Pro Bowl
- 2013 - EJ Manuel, QB, bust
- 2014 - Sammy Watkins, WR, 5 years in NFL
- 2016 - Shaq Lawson, DE, 3 years in NFL
- 2017 - Tre'Davious White, CB, 2 years in NFL
Bolded players are currently active NFL players.
There's no such thing as a "sure thing" in horse racing or NFL football.
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Browns, Giants, and Cards improve significantly.
I don't think either San Fran or Oakland will benearly as good as their fans and many media types expect.
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The Bills have very little proven talent on their roster, which is why Ravens fans and the national media don't think much of them.