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31 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:
Alex Smith.. nuff said. How’s he look in Washington this year without those weapons? How’d he look last year in KC?
This point of the season last year everyone was talking Alex Smith mvp of the league.
Hes an average quarterback and always has been, but Reid was able to hide a lot of his inabilities and made him look pretty good.
It wasn’t until mid to late season everyone figured them out.
I’m in no way saying Mahomes is bad, just not worthy of the hype he gets on this board.
As far as week 17 last year I mean does that really say anything? That’s more a preseason game than say a playoff game?
If he was so lights out why run Alex Smith out for the playoffs?
If people want to jump on the Mahomes train so be it, not my place to judge.
But at least wait to get too crazy until December and January when the games start meaning more, and defenses have the tape on this scheme Reid has been using.
And maybe 85% is a large number lol, not saying they can match his stats exactly cause as I said he’s not a scrub. Let’s use Blake Bortles for example, I think he could have similar numbers through this many games in KC if he was on their team last year and had the offseason to prepare as the starting quarterback and Reid could gameplan and setup a playbook built to his strengths
Dude, have you actually watched Mahomes play???? I was very skeptical of him last season and early this season, but that kid is special. He'd be a star on just about any team he played on with the possible except of McDermott's Bills. Andy Reid's offensive savvy simply enhances his natural talents but then he did that with most of his previous QBs as well ... Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick, Alex Smith, too.
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1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:
This makes little sense.
So Terry loved Mahomes but let Whaley trade down instead of take him and then said alright your fired for doing that?
Why wouldnt he just say, "Doug, take Mahomes".
I don't buy it.
I thought that McDermott ran the 2017 draft because he won the power struggle over the Bills draft board. IIRC, the story was that Whaley wanted Watson. That would seem to make sense since he was officially fired the day after the draft, but that was when all the Bills cheerleaders were hyping the great Tre White pick and Mahomes was just this KC QB who was "nothing special". Now that Mahomes seems to be "the real deal" and isn't a flash in the pan, the narrative is changing to lay the blame for passing on Mahomes -- and Watson -- on Whaley, but of course, McDermott still gets credit for the FA signing of Poyer and Hyde. ?
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9 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:
Clay and McCoy as staples of the offense should be over.
They're old. Clay is 29, McCoy is 30.
Those two are slowing down and our offense should not be built around them.
Both of them need to be replaced with better players.
I didn't say build around them. I was simply counting the NFL caliber talent on offense currently with the Bills. Personnally, I hope that McCoy ends up back in Philly, and I bet that Clay finds a good landing spot as well. Both deserve better than this crap that McDermott and Beane have put on the field.
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19 hours ago, Best Player Available said:
Dig deep into this franchises history. You can find worse seasons.
We should be good with this NOT being the worse season the Bills ever had? I got news for you, dude, I've been watching this team for well over 50 years, and this one rivals those 1-13 and 2-14 squads from the pre-Polian era in how uncompetitive with the rest of the NFL it is.
Before the season started, I said they'd go 3-13 in the prediction thread. I may have been hasty in my judgement.
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Two years into this supposed "rebuild", there are so many holes on this team that there will not be enough talent available in FA and the draft to fill all the holes even if the Bills could snap up every FA to hit the market and had all the picks in the first 3 rounds of the entire draft.
They need virtually an entire offense. Who is at least NFL caliber on the unit? Allen, simply by virtue of the Bills investment in him. Dawkins. Jones. Clay and McCoy if the Bills keep them. Ivory. Groy and -- I hate to say this -- Ducasse as strickly backups. Maybe Miller is salvageable if he had better coaching, which is unlikely if McDermott remains HC.
The defense is better but it's living on borrowed time as it's old with 2 35-year-olds (Williams and Alexander) and a 30-year-old on the DL for starters. The safeties are decent, and White is good at CB. Edmunds and Howard are promising but they're rookies who can continue to develop -- or not. Milano looks like the only other half way decent defensive player besides White to come out of the 2017 draft.
This roster doesn't resemble a "rebuild" so much as a dumpster fire. McDermott is great at dismantling an NFL team but he's clueless about how to rebuild it. He needs to go ... as does his henchman Beane.
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4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:
The Ram and Eagles were not rebuilds. They were reloads. Snead's been the GM in L.A. since 2012, building pretty consistently. Both teams brought in brand new franchise QBs before these miraculous "immediate ... turnarounds." Both had GMs who'd been in place. GMs don't generally get the chance to rebuild their own squads, not unless they've won a Super Bowl or two anyway. A rebuild says the team isn't good enough and won't be. A GM saying that about his own roster is grading his own performance poorly.
Those teams had been building for quite a while. Poor arguments that it doesn't take 4 or 5 years to build a team.
Our roster was simply poorer and we got a new personnel team in and they decided to rebuild. That's very different from teams that have been building for ages and continue along their path and hit a tipping point.
As for the Chiefs didn't they nearly replace everyone very very quickly? And their turnaround was all Reid? Didn't have anything to do with replacing Matt Cassel with Alex Smith? Or with Crennel pretty much losing the locker room? I actually do think that Reid is one of the very very few coaches who actually do make a major difference. But Reid changed a lot of personnel, particularly on the offense.
I'm looking at the offensive starters between the Crennel meltdown in 2012 and Reid's rosters and there was major turnover beyond dumping Cassel for a very capable veteran QB in Alex Smith.
The GM being in charge of the personnel decisions and the HC having input on personnel but not control of who stays or gets shipped out is probably the most common organizational model in the NFL because it works better than other models. A few successful HCs, most notably Belichick and Reid, have personnel control but they didn't get that control from the get-go. They earned that power because of their success over their careers (Belichick relied on Scott Pioli to acquire NE talent early in his tenure in NE). Giving neophyte HCs like McDermott or HCs with mediocre credentials like Jauron or Gruden personnel control is a prescription for failure.
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12 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:
Well, no, but it would have helped for sure. Im not saying extend McD, but let him stay for his contract, or 3 years at minimum.
Why? So he can go 0-16 in 2019? So he and Beane can insure that Josh Allen busts because he has crappy coaching and no offensive support????
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14 hours ago, major said:
Heard today that Jon Gruden has a two year plan to completely overhaul the raiders roster to bring in his own players. Why do coaches do this (our own included)? I’ve seen this done in my profession as well and it rarely works. I know some answers will revolve around new schemes and new players. But it seems to be more of an ego trip, in my opinion. So why do you think they do this?
Some of it's arrogance, especially when successful collegiate HCs like Nick Saban and Chip Kelly come to the NFL and think they can re-create their collegiate successes based on recruiting exactly the players that fit their plans. They fail miserably because of the limitations of player contracts and the salary cap as well as the fact that NFL players are no longer green eighteen-year-olds who don't dare question "Coach".
Other coaches are convinced that they have the "real answer" to being a winner, and in order to do that they have to "clean house" of all the current players who don't fit their vision of how a model football player should be. They are perfectly willing to sacrifice talent for "character" or "attitude" or "buying into the process" or whatever nonsense they want to spout to hide the fact that they are seriously lacking in personnel management skills. Basically, these guys can't deal with disparate personalities and/or are intolerant of alternative/opposing opinions; they're "my way or the highway" guys.
Both McDermott and Gruden are this type of HC IMO, and they're both going down in flames because of the limitations of the NFL salary cap. Teams simply cannot afford to shed talented players simply because the HC can't deal with players who don't fit the HC's narrow criteria for "his kind of player". I'm not talking about players with off-field issues that may affect their on-field play. I'm talking about players who just have attitudes or beliefs or temperaments that the HC doesn't find acceptable.
Managing disparate personalities is a fundamental part of being an NFL HC in the 21st century, and HCs who can't do it, fail miserably. Perennial successful NFL HCs are notable for tolerating players with lots of different perspectives and molding them into winning teams. Think Belichick, Reid, Carroll, Tomlin, and Harbaugh.
12 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:Ended that playoff drought. That's a big one.
Whoopty - doo. HOF credential for sure.
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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Errr.... Dak?
Wentz and Goff's rookie campaigns were much closer than the box scores showed. Take it from someone who went back that summer and graded every snap. Wentz was better... but the perception that it was a big gap was wrong. I was pretty confident after that work that Goff would come good and said so on here.
Dak wasn't a first rounder. He lasted until the fourth IIRC.
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2 minutes ago, eanyills said:
Can we put this Rams didn’t gut their roster narrative to bed? The Rams have made a lot of significant roster moves, especially to key positions.
In year 1,
New starting WR1, WR2, WR3, TE, LT, C, RG; DT, LB, CB1, FS, SS
In year 2,
WR1 (again), TE, RG; DT, ALL 4 starting LB, CB1, CB2, CB3
They made roster moves in order to improve the talent at those positions. "Gutting the roster" means that current players are cut and replaced with lesser players instead of better ones. What positions did the Bills actually improve other than CB and S? Certainly not WR or OL
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3 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:
I'm sick of the same copy paste complaining, yes
Poor baby. If you don't like what posters are writing, you can always put them on "Ignore" ...
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1 hour ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:
He didn't need "his guys", McVay inherited a 2nd year QB, the best RB in the league, picked up Woods in FA. What talent did Beane inherit? The only bright spot was Shady and although I liked Woods alot he was always going back to California.
Keep making excuses for McDermott.
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58 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:
What's your point?
Chuck Knox coached the 1981 Bills to the playoffs.
Mike Ditka coached the 1985 Bears to a Lombardi.
Bill Parcells coached the Giants to a win over the Bills in the 1991 Super Bowl.
All these "successful" HCs supposedly without great QBs had their success 2 or 3 or more decades ago.
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16 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:
The plan that is currently working in Kansas City, Philadelphia and Carolina. That is what Sean is doing here so be patient and let them work. We aren't winning this year so get used to it.we need next offseason to rebuild and then time for those players to develop.
Are you serious? How, exactly, are KC and Philly examples of "the plan"??? Both of those teams are offensive powerhouses embracing offensive innovation not trying to resurrect the 1980s.
7 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:Bill Parcells,Mike Ditka,Chuck Knox etc.
This is 2018 not 1981, 1985 or 1991.
2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:I truly believe you'd be saying the same thing about Mcvay right now, until this roster is rebuilt this is what we are. The defense can only hold so much with an offense that can't generate any points, Daboll can only do so much but we need to see way more creativity. I don't care if we have to reinvent the wildcat, we need to start putting points on the board, flea flickers, statue of liberty, old school Green Bay Packers Power Sweep, it would be nice to just say screw it and start doing something outside the box on offense.
McVay didn't gut the Rams in order to bring in "his guys". He built on the talented players already on the Rams on both sides of the ball even if his experience came from the offensive side. He wouldn't have gutted the Bills offense just because they played for his predecessor. He'd have hired first rate coordinators, too: DC Wade Phillips, OC Ken Whisenhunt, STC: Jim Fassel.
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6 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:
Would YOU have wanted to keep any Rex hires?
Yes, I would. The Bills offense in 2016 was about the best it had been since 1999, and played well for Lynn when it struggled under Ryan's original OC, Greg Roman.
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Anthony Lynn wanted to be the Bills HC permanently. Instead, he went West to the Chargers. He coached the Chargers to 9-7 and missed the playoffs last season on tie-breakers, and has the Bolts at 5-2 this season. I guess he wasn't committed enough to "The Process" to suit the Pegulas.
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31 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:
Did McVay want to go to the Rams, with their shiny #1 QB or to the Bills, with Tyrod?
Except that Goff hardly looked all that great as a rookie so there was a real question about whether he was a massive bust. Wentz was the only one of the 2016 first round QBs who truly looked promising after his rookie campaign.
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6 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:
Show me one quote from one player before the regular season where they weren’t behind Peterman. The guy completed 80% of his passes and clearly won the competition.
Are you serious? Actions speak much louder than words, and in the first half of the season opener against Baltimore, the Bills played so poorly on offense that McDermott started Allen in the second half but you can pretend that that wasn't a clear message of how the team felt about Peterman if you want.
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I see them all on the channel guide and when I click on any of them, I see the game. I'm in Jamestown.
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On 10/20/2018 at 9:02 AM, dubs said:
Last time I checked, Brandon Beane was the GM so he’s responsible for bringing in players.
Also, it’s clear that the team is focuses on three things up to this point:
1) get the best QB you can in the draft in 2018
2) get rid bad contracts and accumulate draft picks
3) improve the defense
now, you may not agree with the approach and that’s fine, but it’s obvious that’s the plan. They probably figured they team was closer to having an elite defense than offense so they focused on that. Or they thought there was better defensive talent in FA and the draft this year.
I dont really know, but at least I get it. People should try to understand. It makes watching this year much more palatable.
McDermott is in charge of personnel. He reports to the Pegulas, as does Beane, but McDermott makes the personnel decisions, and Beane simply sees to it. It's similar to the way that the Bills have operated since 2006 when Russ Brandon took over the team. Levy was a figurehead GM in Jauron's first two years, then Jauron ran the team until 2009 when Buddy Nix came in to oversee scouting apparently. Nix had a more traditional GM role as he hired Chan Gailey but Gailey was more interested in coaching than selecting personnel. In 2013, Whaley became GM with shared personnel responsibility with the HC. It lead to issues with Marrone, and may have led to some issues with Ryan. The Pegulas changed the situation when they fired Whaley and turned personnel responsibility over to McDermott with Beane being the guy who works out the details. Beane also has limited, if any, player personnel experience. His role in personnel in Carolina was similar to that of your company's HR director rather than player evaluation.
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On 10/19/2018 at 12:21 PM, ctk232 said:
The expectations were always to rebuild? We were never supposed to make the playoffs, and we lucked into it more so thanks to Dalton. Then we show up in the wildcard game and can't even score a TD in a 10-3 loss, in what was otherwise a dominant defensive performance and very winnable game? Not going to build off anything with an offense like that. You might be able to "use the momentum" though, but any building off that team would've led to priced out and aged out players and larger cap issues.
If you looked at the roster as well, there was very little future talent that wouldn't otherwise be off the team in 2-3 years time. McBeane was always hired for a rebuild, and most new regimes will always build out their new team. Just because we made the playoffs last year doesn't mean anything, Beane even said as much.
The excuse this year? There is none, we just have a deplorable offense due to a lot of factors, but this is otherwise expected in a rebuild (especially with this current roster), and is actually more of what was supposed to happen last year until our defense started playing lights out. It's not an excuse so much as it is reality. You can start warming seats once they bring in an actual offense and try to win with those decisions.
When do you think that will happen? I'm not optimistic that it will happen any time soon because McDermott doesn't value offense, and he's in charge of personnel decisions. More distressing is that in the last two drafts, the Bills have seemed to fixate on particular prospects and be willing to give up too much to get those particular players. In 2017 and 2018 the Bills got relatively little for the draft capital that they had because they traded up several times. The success of high draft picks (rounds 1-3) is too iffy too often to make trading up frequently a good strategy.
On 10/19/2018 at 5:44 PM, RiotAct said:Byron Leftwich huh? Man, wasn’t he a rookie QB in the NFL only 13-14 years ago?
Yes. I think he was maybe the second QB taken in 2003 behind Carson Palmer. Lots of Bills fans wanted him, too.
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On 10/19/2018 at 11:56 AM, YoloinOhio said:
Though i wasn’t initially a fan of the hire, i can’t even fathom that. He’s now had to prepare 3 different QBs to start a game in 7 weeks, one a raw rookie and one with no TC who was sitting on a beach 10 days ago. He has limited talent to work with as well. Firing him right now would be ridiculous.
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On 10/19/2018 at 12:15 PM, Royale with Cheese said:It's not just for continuity. What decent OC would want to take this job when the previous OC was giving a QB that throws INT's at a historical rate, a raw rookie who wasn't supposed to start and a guy who was on vacation just 10 days ago....fired after 6 games?
Isn't part of the OC's job to evaluate the talent available to his offense? How can an experienced offensive coordinator NOT recognize that Nate Peterman's very serious physical limitations make him a questionable backup for even the most experienced, durable QB playing behind a great OL, much less for a team without even a solid OL, a non-NFL caliber WR corps, and an anemic running game? How can a competent OC name Peterman the starter at the beginning of the season when his teammates are not behind him? How could Daboll not "feel" that the team wasn't behind Peterson despite his supposedly good preseason showing? If Daboll is responsible for these decisions, then he's incompetent to be a NFL OC. If Daboll's opinion on offensive players' talent and likelihood for success is being trumped by McDermott or somebody else in the Bills FO, this team is so dysfunctional that bringing in another OC -- if anyone would be desperate enough to take the position -- would be useless.
On 10/19/2018 at 12:05 PM, Yav said:The Bills have problems with their OL and WR.
Things would be much calmer around here if everyone would realize this isn't going to be a good year for them. The Bills need to clear cap space and right now they are playing with little to no talent at WR and OL. Doesn't matter who the OC was going to be they just don't have the talent on that side of the ball to compete.
The Bills are going to have cap space at the end of the year and will be able to address some issues in FA and they will have good draft capital to move around the board and get the players they want.
Excuse me, but the lack of NFL caliber players on the OL and in the WR corps is NOT something that McDermott and Beane inherited. They made the decisions that resulted in the hot mess they have in both units. They gutted the competent WR corps (Watkins, Woods, Goodwin) they inherited in 2017 and replaced them with trash. The OL wasn't great in 2017, and then they lost Wood and Incognito to retirement, and replaced them with career backups and bottom-feeder FAs. Then they traded away Glenn. That was all before the draft -- a draft that after taking Allen at #7, they didn't bother to draft another offensive player until almost the end of the fifth round despite the desperate need for improvement on the offensive side. No team can expect to build a decent offense using primarily sixth and seventh round and UDFA OLers and WRs.
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6 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:
What about the defence though as per my statement?
The way they are playing they should be ready to give Luck plenty this week, but it’s never mentioned..
Who's saying that the Colts are going to blow the Bills out except possibly the Las Vegas bookmakers? Most don't think the Bills can score many points, so all Indy has to do is score one more.
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Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:
To be honest.
Id bet many of them don’t.
Right. We all know that media professionals in general don't bother to prepare for their jobs, especially former NFL players.
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Someone needs to be fired over Mahomes right now.
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I think that Mahomes would have been successful where ever he was if he had any kind of decent coaching and a decent supporting cast. He's a special talent.
You are absolutely right that Allen needs a real QB coach, not a WR coach in need of a new gig so make him the Bills QB coach. I've been on record -- and have taken lots of heat for it -- in saying that the Bills are setting up Allen for failure because they have failed to give Allen any kind of support: not a first rate QB coach, not good receivers, not a solid offensive line. IMO, he's the little kid that the Bills have thrown in the deep end of the pool to sink or swim as best he can ... and he'll also make a convenient scapegoat to take pressure off the Bills CS and FO for their failure to build a competitive team. If you think I'm kidding, consider all the posters who are "okay" with the crappy team the Bills have fielded in 2018 "as long as Allen is learning the ropes".
As Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold have shown, a team doesn't have to be totally inept on offense just because they have a rookie QB as their starter.