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1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:
It's not a mystery at all. The Bills, after getting to know Allen, think he can handle & benefit from learning on the field instead of sitting on the bench watching. I've been watching the NFL for over 50 years and watching the game didn't improve my meager football skills one iota. Allen's best leaning opportunity isn't by sitting & watching, it's by playing.
Once they reached that conclusion, McCarron was traded with their full knowledge that the sooner Peterman proved inadequate, Allen would go in there. Now the sit & watch crowd, of which you are a member, can't go on WGR or message boards demanding McCarron starts.
You credit the Bills FO with much more honesty and transparency than I do.
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1 hour ago, ctk232 said:
Exactly - Allen was not the QB to draft and expect to become the franchise on day 1. We all knew he was raw and needed developing, that was the intention with the pick. If we had a halfway capable QB on the roster and team behind him, we would likely not have seen Allen play much at all this year, and just Mahomes him while he develops his game. He's being thrown in over a year before the FO intended and this is the result of the current product before any development can really take place.
But developing what exactly, with the team this year, I'm not so certain. The games he will be seeing each Sunday are not case studies of typical NFL games...I hope he/we can re calibrate his barometer to adjust to what an NFL team actually looks like and how a team is supposed to perform in this league.
I disagree that the FO ever intended to sit Allen. The absolute ONLY reason to trade Taylor before the draft and McCarron before the beginning of the regular season when the only QB on the roster not named Allen is Nathan Peterman is to make sure that Allen has to start early in the season. It's absolutely the only reason why Peterman is still on the roster instead of some veteran QB. Why would they do that? To put butts in the seats might be one reason. To cover the FO's collective butts if Allen busts seems a more likely one because they can always claim that Allen might have been better if he'd had more time to sit and learn but "circumstances" forced their hands.
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5 hours ago, Midwest1981 said:
According to PFF, Allen graded out at 73.7 for his performance against Baltimore, which I thought was pretty encouraging, even mostly against second-stringers.
But his overall grade dropped to just above 50 factoring in his Chargers' start, which did not grade out well.
The problem with PFF ratings of QBs is that too often they seem to make mediocre QBs appear to be far better than they are. Does it matter if Joe Backup who was a failed first round QB pick has better PFF ratings than Tom Brady if Brady and the Pats clean their opponents' clock?
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4 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:
Better teams then the Bills seem to be signing wide receiver help .
Paging Mr Bean
It may be that WRs aren't interested in signing with the Bills ...
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1 hour ago, dneveu said:
Well... if we fire them. Whoever we hire gets to inherit a roster with some young talent and doesn't have terrible contracts on the books anymore.
Doesn't have many good players on the roster, either ...
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17 hours ago, Domdab99 said:
This just goes to show you - and me - that we often don't know what the heck is going on or why the Bills are playing poorly.
PFF (in other thread on this sight), YardsPerPass, and Joe Buscaglia have all done a lot more studying than us, and all three have claimed that main culprits in the Chargers loss are Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds. Now, I think we could all see how Edmunds struggles against a savvy passer like Rivers, and while Allen certainly shows promise, he missed a lot of open guys and didn't get the ball out in time to be truly effective.
But the real surprise is that the offensive line, save for center Ryan Groy, all played from decent to very well. In facxt, Both John Miller and Vlad Ducasse - two of the bigger punching bags on this site - actually played way above average and were standouts on the team:
Armed with this knowledge, it now makes sense that the OL has not been overhauled or changed much at all. In fact, other than maybe replacing Groy with Bodine, I don't see any changes coming for this line in the near future.
And with the change in the play-calling in the 2nd half, and with both our star 1st-round rookies getting valuable experience, I expect both them and this team to actually be a bit better than most are expecting this year. Certainly not 0-16 bad.
Matbe The Process is working...and we just can't see it yet.
It is totally disingenous to claim that "the OL is not the problem except for C Ryan Groy". The C is the guy who calls the protections for the rest of his OL mates and if he gets it wrong, the QB pays for it. Moreover, if the center can't hold his blocks, there's no pocket for the QB to step up into.
I wouldn't bet against 0-16 for this dumpster fire that McDermott and Beane have created, as hard as it is for NFL teams to go winless through an entire season.
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17 hours ago, Epstein's Mother said:
The other choice in this situation is to simply fill in players at positions of need year after year without unloading bloated contracts until the end of time. This is a great way to go somewhere between 7-9 and 9-7 every year like the Bills did for the most part between 2000 and 2016.
The Bills didn't "reload". McDermott and Beane successfully turned a mid-pack NFL team that needed some tweaks, including a better QB, into a poorly staffed expansion team since McDermott was hired early in 2017. They sent numerous talented young players -- most of whom are starting on playoff contending teams -- packing so that they could fill the team with JAGs, has-beens, and non-NFL caliber trash.
Get back to me about how great it feels when the Bills don't have another winning season -- may not even see 7 wins -- for however long McDermott and Beane continue to impersonate competent NFL HC and GM.
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17 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:
Are you referring to the team that won the super bowl, while their QB was on a rookie contract?
Allen won't be on his rookie contract by the time McDermott/Beane figure out how to build a competitive team -- if they ever figure that out at all.
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1 hour ago, GRHater69 said:
Groy is a partial victim of the people around him. He stepped-in nicely for Eric Wood in 2016 but he also had Richie Incognito lined-up next to him.....now look what he has. Vlad the stiff and Miller. 2 guys who probably don't start anywhere else in the NFL.
I'm not defending Groy, but he's not the only problem.
Don't forget that there's been a blocking scheme change since 2016 that may not suit his playing style. That's been Miller's problem, too, as he was looking very good as a young starting RG in 2016 but has been struggling under the McDermott/Castillo. Groy was picked up to fit the previous blocking scheme, so like Miller, he may be struggling to adapt.
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10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:
The Browns suck. They are doomed until they get a new HC. Historically bad coach.
Bills do have maybe the 2 worst Coordinators...
Who picks the coordinators and position coaches? McDermott's choices of assistants makes him at least as bad as any HC in the NFL, including Hue Jackson.
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Too little, too late. The time to fix the OL was back in the off season during FA and the draft.
Furthermore, if McDermott's just realized that the OL is a cesspool, then that raises of serious questions about his fitness to be a HC.
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13 minutes ago, NewEraBills said:
I'd certainly argue that White is hands down the best player on the field we have. He really hasn't given up anything in two games. But I guess since there are no flashy interceptions it doesn't count.
Teams throw away from him because the pickings are so much easier against whatever dud CB plays the other side.
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9 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:
If they are as right on Allen as I think they are, the rest won't matter. Even if McBeane can't figure out the rest, GMs and coaches are not that tough to replace. QB is the holy grail.
Are you serious? Did you watch MNF last night? A great QB without a decent team around him is no more successful than a journeyman QB, and McDermott/Beane have shown no ability to evaluate talent or "figure out" ANYTHING when it comes to building a team.
Furthermore, the clock is already ticking on the evaluation of Allen. The Bills have less than 5 years to determine if Allen is a keeper or not because they'll have to decide whether to pick up his option year or to re-sign him past his rookie contract. A crappy OL, equally crappy WR corps, and a questionable OC calling plays will never allow Allen to be as good as he might be, which means that the evaluation of Allen may never be accurate. It's possible that the Bills could give up on Allen and he goes on to flourish for another team as so many former Bills players have done or the Bills could try to make allowances for the bad personnel around Allen, and wind up signing a journeyman QB to a franchise QB contract that dooms the team to continued mediocrity or worse. That's why it's so important to give QBs with good protection and numerous good targets.
2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:Pretty simple equation...$55M in dead cap necessitates paying your "active" players less...just simple math.
Can't remember the actual number, but in terms of money being spent on active players..Bills are something like $26M less than any other team in the league. My guess would be they average something like $35M less than the league of most teams carry $15M in dead cap.
That $55 million in dead cap money mostly came from McDermott/Beane's decisions to replace quality players for whatever specious reasons they came up with. They got into cap hell because they didn't pay attention to the cap implicatons of their moves, and they signed trash because of their poor player evaluation. It's called incompetence.
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9 hours ago, Shotgunner said:
They don't want to invest money into these junk players at OL and WR, so when they replace them we don't have another year where 30% of the cap is dead.
Next year we can replace any of them, by any means neccesary, without having to deal with cap ramifications of bad players tying up money.
Last year they took care the secondary, this year MLB, interior DL, and QB, next year it's OL and skill players
Can I interest you in purchasing a recently rehabbed bridge over Chautauqua Lake?
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9 hours ago, inaugural balls said:
I gotcha. I have faith they'll improve this roster exponentially come next year.
They know where we need help. It's coming.
I'll believe it when I see it happen.
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9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
Yep. And teams hurting at safety kick themselves in the head for not signing Poyer or Hyde. Ad infinitum
How many kept a player that they always intended to get rid of past March 1, incurring a major dead cap hit in the process, just so they could trade him away before the draft? That's the real problem here. McDermott/Beane seem oblivious to the consequences of shedding players without regard to the cap. Dareus, Glenn, Coleman, and McCarron are more examples. Too.Stupid.To.Be.True.
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1 hour ago, HappyDays said:
You would give away the 65th overall pick in the draft to save $7.6 million in cap space in a rebuilding year? And you think Beane is the incompetent one??
When you have huge immediate needs on the OL, you can use that $7.6 million in dead cap space to sign a better FA than Russell Bodine or Marshall Newhouse. They could have tried to sign Mike Pouncey, former Pro Bowl center, for $5 million. Too.Stupid.To.Be.True.
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8 minutes ago, sleeby said:
Sammy got us JA. You want your cake and eat it too here. I much prefee JA!
Well, the Bills could have had Mahomes AND Sammy if they'd had their crap together in 2017 ... and don't pretend that the trade down to take a DB, however good, over a QB was on Whaley. He didn't run the 2017 draft because he was fired right after the draft.
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9 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:
Beane created this cap mess.
Taylor could have been kept,
Glenn could have been kept
Dareus could have been kept
Darby could have been kept
Watkins could have been kept
That is a lot of talent that the current GM chose not to keep and create this cap mess. Beane is doing something. Neithre you nor I know if it is the right thing to do or not.
If IIRC, the Bills could have released Taylor before March 1 without a cap penalty -- or at least a much smaller cap hit. In fact, I think most Bills fans expected him to be released. Instead, the geniuses McDermott/Beane kept a QB that they didn't want just so they could trade him for a third round pick before the draft and take a $7.6 million cap hit. What kind of stupid **** is that???? Then they compound their stupidity by signing AJ McCarron for $5 million and trading him away a couple of months later and incurring $2.6 million in dead cap money. That's $9.6 million in dead cap space for 2 QBs who aren't on the roster ... but at least they got a third rounder and a fifth rounder for all that money they don't have to pay to mediocre QBs. Instead, they're paying about $600k for Nate Peterman to impersonate an NFL QB. Too.Stupid.To.Be.True.
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45 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:
It’s only two games. They don’t look good sure but you gotta think they’ll get better.
some of these younger guys need time to progress. I thought the second half of the charger game we started to see a little life in the team and more of what they wanted for this year. A competitive team. Low on talent but hard working. Also keep in mind this may be a crap roster, especially on offense.It was built to be a good rushing team though with a solid defense. The D has been awful and with the points given up we can’t run the ball effectively. This team never has a shot since Fitz to win without a top notch running game.
Even then Fitz couldn’t win the game with his arm.
Same philosophy for a very long time.
Ground and pound, impose your will and control the clock. Keep the defense fresh and attacking. Without all of that working we can’t win end of story.
Getting Allen and developing him I like to think is a change in that philosophy. A true field general who can chuck the ball all over the field and have a defense on its heels which opens the run game. (Hopefully)
Either way, rather you believe in them or not their entire resume rests on Allen’s shoulders.
If they hit they’ll be here a very long time.
If they missed they’ll be out the door in 3 more seasons. Either way like it or not GM and coach aren’t going anywhere for awhile
Why would I believe the Bills will get better this season or next or as long as McDermott and Beane are running the show? McDermott has missed on his first OC, on his DC, on his OL coach so far. Had Beane even heard of the NFL salary cap before he was hired as Bills GM because he is obviously clueless about how it limits personnel decisions and vice versa. The scouts McDermott/Beane hired to replaced the Bills scouts they fired are as crappy as the HC and GM who hired them. The lack of talent on this current Bills team, the huge dead cap amount, and the embarrassing effort on the field says it all: this regime is Joel Collier/Harvey Johnson/John Rauch/Jim Ringo/Kay Stephenson/Hank Bullough bad.
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17 hours ago, Your brain broke said:
You just gotta trust the process. Be patient. The next 7 season's are just for rebuilding, everyone knew that. Just give Bean and Mcdermott a dozen more seasons and we'll start seeing results.
We've already seen results, just not the ones any sane person would want to see.
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8 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:
What are you going to do when this pays off and we have constant success? Wither away?
When will that be? 2050????
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4 minutes ago, stony said:
In all fairness, the secondary has had problems stopping teams when the turnovers began to dry up dating back to the second half of last season.
Don't confuse the Bills faithful with reality.
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9 hours ago, CDogg20 said:
I’m not as upset as I have been in the past about a loss. This is what I expected. Stay competitive, just don’t get blown out. We looked so much better in the 2nd half. We are bad but compete and that gives me hope for the future.
The Bills were not "competitive" in the second half. The Chargers eased up. I don't know their roster much beyond their starters, but my guess is that a lot of LA's backups got considerable playing time during the second half. There is absolutely no hope with this combo of HC and FO because they're going to make sure that Josh Allen, apparently the best -- and maybe only good -- acquisition they've made will never have a real opportunity to succeed as long as they're in charge due to their incompetence.
8 hours ago, Doc Brown said:I only commented on Sullivan. Here's how his curmudgeon demeanor sneaks into his writing even when he has every right to rip this team.
"Kyle Williams and Lorenzo Alexander look their age (35). You have to wonder if the Bills kept them around to give the appearance of competing, as the game begins to pass them by."
The first sentence is a fair assessment. The second sentence is just some conspiracy theory he has.
Actually, if that statement isn't true, then what does that say about McDermott and Beane if they can't even accurately evaluate the performance of the players they've had on their team all preseason? Suggesting a conspiracy theory seems better than simply accusing them of incompetence because Williams and Alexander have stunk it up in both games.
At least we are not wasting money on the Offensive Line. Bills are dead last in spending
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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The jury is out on MLB and QB because they are rookies -- absolutely nothing says they're keepers at this point; the "young LT" is a sophomore who's not played very well this season now that he's not playing beside a Pro Bowl LG; the only starting caliber RB currerntly on the roster is 30 years old; and the current WLB is under-sized and got benched for a time in the LA game. FYI, the Bills play 2 DTs and 2 DEs so they don't use a NT. Williams is 35 and past his prime. Star is 29 and played poorly last season. Trent Murphy hasn't been healthy since TC began, he's coming off a PED suspension I believe, and when he's been in, he's either sucked or been invisible.
As I said, they don't have many good players on their roster.