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  1. On 11/26/2017 at 4:47 PM, matter2003 said:

    Look...we won and that is great...but we made it way harder than it needed to be.  

     

    Taylor had a chance to pretty much bury the Chiefs on a simple play and he didn't take it.  O'Leary wide open in the middle of the field with literally nobody within 20 yards of him...not exaggerating. Taylor has an absolutely clean pocket, nobody near him, nobody in his face...all Taylor has to do is make an easy throw, give O'Leary the chance to run after the catch and instead he throws the ball at his feet where he has to dive and make a catch, nullifying his ability to gain more yards.  Instead of a first down + inside the 20, we have a 3rd and 2 at the 42 oe 43 yard line...3rd down and we lose yards, then punt. 

     

    So instead of running a bunch of more time off the clock, kicking an easy FG or even possibly getting a TD, to go up 2 scores we punt it back to them up 6.  

     

    I know I know...you are like "Whats the big deal? Taylor completed the pass, set up a short 3rd down and we won!"  Yes, we did, but there are times every game when you have the chance to put a team away and Taylor consistently doesn't take advantage of it.  Yes, other QB's put the ball there at times, but not on that route and not with nobody in their face.  You just have to make a better throw...its what seperates consistently good QBs from QBs like Taylor... when you have a chance to get a first down and another 20+ yards ESPECIALLY at the point of the game it happened, you don't want to be settling for a 3rd and short.

     

    Details like this is what win and lose you games many times in the NFL. You don't get very many easy plays like that in the NFL and when you do you HAVE to capitalize on them. Details are not Taylor's strong suit.  He does a lot of big things right...he doesn't turn the ball over...he gets out of trouble a lot...he completes passes...but he doesn't do well on ball placement a lot of times...there are too many times receivers have to stop running or are stopped when he throws the ball to them, or dive to the ground to make catches when they shouldn't have.

     

    I understand if you are wondering what the big deal is, but people who know football on a more than rudimentary level can appreciate what I am saying....Taylor can't be the franchise QB because he doesn't do the little things right often enough...he misses too many plays that should be easy and our drives stall out many times because of it...wonder why we tend to go 3 and out a lot with him?  That's why. Details.

     

     

     

     

    On White's interception, Alex Smith had Kelce open and waving to him in the EZ ... but you and the numerous others who continually bring up all the plays Taylor "left on the field" always ignore other QBs' mistakes and act as if Taylor is the only QB in the NFL who doesn't make the absolute best decision every single time he throws the ball.  The Taylor-haters have even tried to do that with Peterman, making all kinds of excuses and/or pretending those 5 INTs somehow didn't happen.

     

    Guess what.  Even Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady "miss" plays.  Of course, since those two QBs are not only the two best in the NFL but are surrounded by talented players and the recipients of excellent coaching, they usually can make up for those misses.  Taylor is not as good as Rodgers and Brady, but he also has the bigger handicap, this year especially, of being surrounded by JAGs, STers, and PS refugees and suffering under crappy offensive coaching.

  2. 28 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said:

    I've never seen such hype and misleading information on an NFL QB in my life.

     

    From the way some of these outsiders speak about TT you'd think he's a former #1 overall draft pick.

     

    Good grief the guy was a 6th round pick and backup most of his career in Baltimore for a reason. If we are going to hype up a QB on our team can it at least be NP? At least he was drafted by us and higher than TT was.

     

    Among your many inane posts on this MB, this one is so stupid that I have to think that you posted this as a joke.  Even you cannot be this ignorant to write this bull manure ...  at least hope I would hope so because otherwise it's pretty sad.

  3. 3 hours ago, Livinginthepast said:

    Pretty obvious this was the case. Must be pretty embarrassing for Rex to admit. I would have ignored the order. He was a lame duck by that stage anyway, why not stand up for yourself and make the owners fire you then. The writing was on the wall anyway for Rex yet he caves? Makes him seem even more of a loser than I thought!

     

    Except that Ryan didn't cave.  The last game he coached was the 34-31 OT loss to the Carp.  Taylor was his QB.  Manuel started the last game of the season, another loss, with Anthony Lynn as interim HC.

     

    3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

    Yes, because of his injury clause. Isn’t that why he got fired before the last game, because he wouldn’t do it?

     

    More likely Taylor would get a bonus for starting all sixteen games or some other performance milestone, and the Bills didn't want to pay it.  They did that with JP Losman one year.  However different some fans think this regime is from previous ones, most of the same manure that went on previously is still going on.  My guess is somebody above the level of GM sent down the order to bench Taylor last year ... and likely did the same this year.

  4. On 11/27/2017 at 5:07 PM, ndirish1978 said:

     

    We don't even have a garage to put the car in, selling the one you have is asinine with so many glaring holes.  

     

    Yeah, but the Bills love doing it because ... well, it's just worked so well in their strategy to avoid the post-season.

     

    On 11/27/2017 at 6:21 PM, Binghamton Beast said:

    Shady is definitely good enough to be on this roster next year but I see the Bills being smart (cap wise and where they are building the team) and moving on from him and the likes of Cordy Glenn, Kyle Williams, Charles Clay, Incognito and other big money guys.

     

    Call me crazy but I get the feeling the Bills are loading for bear and going to go full bore in an attempt to sign Cousins.

     

     

     

    Right-o.  It's so smart because it's worked so well all over the league: replace all your talent with scrubs and rookies. 

     

    The only bear the Bills are loading up for is losing for the foreseeable future.  Cousins isn't going to sign with a team with no OL and 1NFL caliber starting WR with a bad knee.

     

     

    On 11/28/2017 at 2:29 AM, HuSeYiN_NYC said:

    I was going to start a thread on how McCoy seems very displeased but might as well add my thoughts and questions on this thread.

     

    During the game, early in the 4th quarter (i believe), McCoy got stuffed by the Dline yet again and got very upset. To me it seemed like he was upset at our Oline (watching from my couch). Then in his post game interview from the locker room, you would think we lost the game if you were to judge the interview by how Shady was responding and answering questions. He sounded depressed and beat.

     

    Idk if I'm the only one who noticed that but Shady is still Shady. Anyone who thinks he should be traded is not really a Bills fan and doesn't care if the Bills succed or not. If Shady goes, the little bit of offense we DO have will go right with him.

     

    Stop the nonsense please. Watkins, Dareus, Darby, Gilmore and others (besides Woods and Gillislee) were let go for cap situations/underperforming. Shady IS the offense. Plain and simple.

     

    All those players you mentioned were disposed of by the Bills because they were expensive.  So is Shady.  Like Glenn, Clay, Incognito, and anybody else on the team making above league minimum, he's likely to get the axe as the Bills continue their quest to out-Cleveland the Browns.

     

    19 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

     

     

    Those 29 are dwarfed by the sheer number of 1st round RBs who were mediocre or frank busts though.  I think it's a tough position, historically, to evaluate. 

     

    Since only about 50% of QBs drafted in the top half of the first round since 2000 turn out to be decent starters at best (Jay Cutler level or better), and even fewer turn out to be "franchise QBs", I guess the Bills' penchant for drafting DBs in the first round is really, really smart, huh?

  5. 17 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

     

    Does anyone know how freaking waiver works in NFL

     

    if he is released tomorrow he is subject to waivers, hence all you have to do his claim him

     

    The Giants aren't releasing Manning before the end of the season.  They're taking so much heat from the NY and national media over benching him that they simply wouldn't dare even if he was causing problems on the team, which, of course, he's not because that's not how the Mannings roll, especially Eli who probably bleeds Giants blue.  This is just another crappy HC looking for a scapegoat.

  6. 6 hours ago, P51 said:

     

    They declined his option last March and would have to franchise him to guarantee having him back next year, they could work out a deal but he has the option of test free agency 1st, who wouldnt? They could go with him, no doubt, Im just not sure they will mess with the team chemistry if Keenum succeeds for the rest of this season. Bridgewater still has a lot to prove, and Keenum has done more in less time than Bridgewater on the field. I certainly agree they have the talent and coaching to make win non the less. It'll be interesting to see how the rest of the season and off season play out for the Vikings and what impact it could have in Buffalo in the off season.

     

    I suppose if they thought he'd never play again that they wouldn't pick up his option, but I would have thought by March that they might have had a better handle on his recovery. 

  7. 11 minutes ago, simpleman said:

    Do you really believe that all of the above will happen. The Colts give up on Luck. Chicago gives up on Trubisky so soon after spending what they spent on him this year. The Bucs give up on Winston. Houston gives up on Watson. No one with a high pick goes after Bradford,  Bridgewater,  Keenum or Cousins instead, hoping to win now rather than waste a year on an unproven rookie. If KC gives up on Smith, no one would take a game manager if they thought the rest of the team could win now with him. No one would take a TT if they were close to winning now. TT is good game manager, and the Bills could win with him if the rest of the team was not such a mess. I don't  see anywhere near 7 QB going first. Maybe 3 , possibly 4 if including Buffalo in a trade up.

     

    There are NOT going to be 7 QBs taken in the first round, much less the first 7 picks.   There are generally only 10-12 QBs taken in the entire 7 rounds of the draft.  Even back in the 1970s when there were 17 or 18 rounds in the draft and sometimes 20+ QBs were taken, most of those came in the later rounds.   The best QB draft ever, 1983, had 6 first rounders scattered from #1 to #27 but there is absolutely no indication that 2017 is anything like 1983 in quality or volume ... except in the minds of some TBD posters like the one who made this claim.  The last time more than 4 QBs were taken in the first round was in 1999 when 5 were drafted.

  8. 9 hours ago, P51 said:

     

    All 3 are free agents, unrestricted I believe. They could franchise one of their choosing as far as I know. They could tag and trade, but I don’t see it. I’m far from a Vikings expert, but Bridgewater is as close to as big a injury risk as Bradford IMO, so do they roll the dice on one of them and let the other 2 walk? If Keenum continues producing and the team pushes deep into the playoffs? I’d have a hard time going with Teddy who while showed some signs of growth but didn’t Light the league on fire prior to what many catogorized as a catastrophic knee injury and is going to get signed somewhere if he leaves but for what and who is going to gaurantee him a starting spot? Will it be worth leaving? IMO Minny could match any offer which won’t be exhorbant, sign Keenum and offer them both a chance to start, let them duke it out in camp. They are going to keep at least one Id bet on it, but which one? How the season plays out will  certainly affect the desicion ultimately IMO.

     

    Bridgewater is a 2014 first rounder, so Minnesota should have him for 2019 on his rookie contract.  I agree with your assessment of Bridgewater pre-injury; he was not spectacular, but as Keenum has shown, the Vikes have the talent and the coaching to win with even a reasonably talented QB with some leadership skills.  I think Bradford is definitely the odd man out, and Bridgewater the likely winner if he is truly healed from his injury.

  9. 13 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

     

    No its the point that Denver had a chance before Taylor decided to redo his contract. They passed. 

     

    They are not going to trade for him when a recent report shows that GMs across the league have him as 25 best QB. 3 years of tape will change opinion pf a player

     

    No team is going to trade for Taylor because they know that the Bills will cut him in the off-season.  Just like no team would give up a decent pick for Dareus because they figured that the Bills would cut him in the off-season and they could get a top DT in his prime for free with a more team-friendly contract -- until Jax decided they could make the playoffs despite having Bortles as QB if their D was better.

  10. 12 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

    Sure Lynn would have.  Because you think so, right?  Or perhaps you have no clue.

     

    Like any coach McD makes good and bad decisions.  Yesterday the three running plays were to me ridiculous.  But it worked out.  The call for Peterman was as he said a calculated risk, and it did not work.  But they also have put together pretty solid defensive schemes overall.  And while you refuse to admit it, this team was not expected to do squat and he has them in the top six in the conference.

     

    We finally have a HC and GM totally in synch and with a plan, and you want to fire the HC.  Well then, fire Marrone for his call yesterday.  Carroll for his bad decision the week before.  Give me enough time and I'll make a case to fire every current HC based on a decision made this year that did not pan out.

     

    And what, exactly, is that plan?  How exactly does a team rebuild by shedding younger, talented players and keeping/acquiring older players who spent their careers as backups or STers?  

  11. 12 minutes ago, Augie said:

     

    I prefer to think of it as a learning experience. We’ve done enough “quick firing” in recent decades. Maybe we wait and see how it plays out? 

     

    And I prefer reality to myth.

    • Wade Phillips was here 3 years before he was forced out by Wilson (1998-2000)
    • Gregg Williams was here 3 years and his contract was not renewed (2001-2003)
    • Mike Mularkey was here for 2 years before resigning. (2004-2005)
    • Dick Jauron was fired in his fourth year after having his contract renewed in 2008. (2006-2009)
    • Perry Fewell was the interim HC who took over from Jauron. (2009)
    • Chan Gailey was HC for 3 years.  He may have been fired or just didn't have his contract renewed.  (2010-2012)
    • Doug Marrone was HC for 2 years.  He chose to quit, probably after losing a power struggle with Doug Whaley. (2013-2014)
    • Rex Ryan was the only regular HC who was fired after less than 2 full seasons on the job. 

     

    10 minutes ago, Woodman19 said:

    Everyone knows the path to success is to fire your staff every year they don't make the playoffs, continuity and planning are overrated :P

     

     Again, see above.   The Bills haven't gone around firing their coaching staffs because they didn't make the playoffs.  Ryan was fired because he was an incompetent buffoon who made promises he couldn't keep and used the team payroll as a feeding trough for his family and friends.  He deserved the boot.  In hindsight, perhaps the Bills should have tried harder to keep Marrone and even Mularkey.  Both seem to have turned out to be decent NFL HCs.

     

    3 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

     

     

    To repeat SoTier, I challenge you to give me a single precedent for a move like that. And if it exists did it work? And no, Tom Brady and Kaepernick don't count, they were relieving injured QBs. 

     

    That's not a learning experience, that is utter incompetence.

    I think you misread/misinterpreted  my statement.  I meant that no HC had ever tried it before.   IMO, it's ludicrous to think an NFL HC woud consider it since it's totally out of character because like players, they're conditioned to always try to win.  

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  12. 38 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

    The realism you're discussing is trying to improve the passing game by replacing a known, quantified entity who has proven himself capable of winning games in the NFL with a hope and a wish that a 5th round rookie, making his first start on the road will go out there and play like a veteran.  What part of realism fails to consider the track record of rookie QBs, making their first NFL start, and on the road no less?  What part of realism gambles the season on that situation being better than an NFL vet who has led the team to a winning record this year?


    My realism says that starting Peterman in a game that the Bills appeared to have a chance to win when the Bills had a winning record and a hold on a playoff spot only makes sense if the purpose was to distract fans from the defensive collapse and the coaching staff's inability to fix it. 

     

    28 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

     

    .....so then according to the "One & Done Gang" and their Doctrine of Evaluation, a 5th rounder with OTA's, practice, and scant one game mop up duty and who has a disastrous first start, has had MORE than ample time to rightfully earn the BUST label....EXPERT analysis is location, location, location....and he's a BUST according to TBD standards......

     

    Sorry, but you own your mistakes, especially when you want the power to make the big decisions, and that applies to first year HCs, too.  McDermott made one in starting Peterman.  Dennison made more than one in the Peterman fiasco, including not seeing that that kid wasn't ready to start as well as drawing up a game plan that would set up just about any first time NFL starter to fail.   If McDermott continues to make serious mistakes down the stretch that call his coaching judgement into question, then yes, maybe he should be replaced.

     

    10 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

    No, it isn't. The realism had everything to do with Taylor, the fact he isn't good enough to score many points in the Bills current offensive scheme and doesn't attempt throws that most NFL QBs routinely make. He is who he is and there was zero chance he would change. This was pointed out many times in games by Tony Romo and Rhonde Barber. The coaches know this as well. I don't believe they thought he would play like a veteran , but maybe better than the veteran they watched throw for 50 some yards the week before . And played putridly the week before while the game was in doubt, outplayed by a journeyman McCown. They didn't like the matchup vs LAC, how Tyrod plays, and wanted to try something to change things up. It was a desperate prayer, and didn't work. It was an easy road venue to try it as far as that goes. Moreso than Arrowhead Stadium. I don't think many people thought the Bills would beat the Chargers with Taylor at QB. The Coaches weren't optimistic. That's probably all us fans need to know. 

     

    Cry me a river.   "It's time to try see if this rookie QB drafted on Day Three is the next Tom Brady," said no NFL HC ever with his team having a winning record and a piece of the playoffs, especially when his rookie QB was as unready for a pro start as Peterman appeared to be.  Taylor had 1 bad game ... against the Saints.   Maybe if Dennison designed plays that had some prayer of working against good defenses, Taylor wouldn't have to check down so much.  Dennison is the one who decides which plays the Bills run, y'know.

    27 minutes ago, njbuff said:

    I think a lot of us fans don't like Jauron-ball 2.0.

     

    But when you don't have a franchise QB, Jauron 2.0 is all we can expect at this point.

     

    And if the Bills make the playoffs doing this, job well done in year one...................... then go out and get your franchise QB.

     

    Minnesota doesn't have a franchise QB either, but they sure don't play Jauron 2.0.  

  13. 20 hours ago, SaviorPeterman said:

    Nice upset by the Cardinals for sure but St. Doug is still going to the playoffs one way or another this year.

     

    Hopefully they offer us a 3rd round pick for Taylor to be their starter next year.

     

    The Bills aren't getting a third or any other pick for Taylor.  He's due a big bonus just after the start of the league's new year, and the Bills aren't going to pay that to a player they don't want.  Consequently, if they can't trade him, they'll cut him ... and every team in the league knows how the Bills operate.  It's why they only got a 6th for Dareus ... teams knew the Bills wanted him gone so badly that they'd take anything.

     

     

  14. 4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

     

    And how did that work out?

     

    I'm not sure what your point is.  You're the one who claimed that McDermott wouldn't start a rookie unless he was "out of this world in camp" ... and Peterman wasn't.   Certainly his play as a starter was so unacceptable that one has to wonder what the coaches saw in him to make them think he could even be a reasonable backup QB.

    3 hours ago, mannc said:

    That would be awful...why bring in a bridge QB who is no better than Tyrod, will cost just as much, and is older?  Makes no sense.

     

    Because he wouldn't be Taylor.

     

    I don't think that will happen, however.  A first round QB will cost less and sell more seats ... and don't think that the Bills ever ignore their bottom line.

  15. 4 hours ago, simpleman said:

    Check out the playoff standings. We should all be rooting against Denver. Denver could be headed for a top 5 pick in the 2018 draft. Bundling a 2nd round with our KC 1st and TT might get us a decent QB prospect, maybe not first tier, but the cream of the 2nd tier.

     

    Excuse me, but why in the world would a team give up its first round pick and a player to get "the cream of the 2nd tier" QB????   That's called a backup QB.  You only trade up to grab the best QB in the draft IMO.   You can draft a backup in the fifth round ...

    1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

     

    I'll bet he will be. May even start. McDermott is not going to throw a rookie in unless they are out of this world in camp.

     

    Really?  He already did ... even when the Bills were holding down a playoff spot.

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  16. 21 hours ago, Woodman19 said:

    They are gearing towards rapidly getting younger, so it wouldn't surprise me if we go younger at RB.

     

    The Bills are gearing towards getting cheaper.  They are one of the oldest teams in the NFL because they haven't gotten rid of older, expensive veterans in their effort to retool but have simply replaced more expensive players with cheaper ones.   A team looking to really retool not simply cut salary would have cut Kyle Williams rather than trade Marcel Dareus if they felt the need to get rid of a DT, which was a stupid move in the middle of the season anyways, but then, the Bills are just special that way.  Making stupid moves is the key to their success at avoiding the playoffs for this entire century.

     

    I expect Shady to be gone before next season, and likely Glenn, Incognito, and Clay as well.  Maybe even Wood, too.  Can't waste money on OLers and TEs, especially if they don't buy into the system by getting hurt.

  17. 1 hour ago, Putin said:

    Do you agree with Tyrod when said that the reason for being  benched ( San Diego) is because he's black ? 

     

    What does whether someone agrees with Taylor about what he thinks about his benching have to do with their being a fan of his or not?    We're talking normal fans of a football player, not groupies or stalkers here.

     

    As for Taylor's belief that he was benched because he was black, I would like to categorically deny that but I can't.  There have been so many personnel moves made that, taken together, scream, "Taylor has been set up to fail".   The OC seems to have deliberately instituted an offensive system and drawn up game plans intended to minimize Taylor's strengths and maximize his shortcomings.  Then Dennison created a game plan for Peterman that was completely inappropriate for a rookie QB starting his first NFL game as if he were deliberately trying to show up Taylor.  Now, McDermott comes out and says, "well, Tyrod's starting against NE but after that 'no promises'".  Since it's unlikely that the Bills have lured Peyton Manning out of retirement, I have to wonder what Taylor did to po whomever on the Bills he po'd because somebody sure has it in for him.  Or somebodies.  

     

    There is  something putrid about the Bills actions and attitude towards Taylor this year that wouldn't look good in the light of day, and that goes triple for benching him at SD.  I don't know what it might be, but it seems to be more than just incompetence on the part of McDermott, his coaches, and Beane.  Maybe it's the subtle kind of racism where some people think there are some jobs that blacks just can't do as well as whites or maybe it is simply holding black QBs to higher standards than white QBs.  All the posters constantly whining about how many times Taylor leaves plays on the field while conveniently ignoring that white QBs do the same thing are good examples of how that works. 

     

    For myself, I think benching Taylor might have been done simply to take the focus off how poorly the defense had been playing since the Dareus trade.  He's become the convenient scapegoat for all the troubles the Bills FO and coaching staff have brought upon the team by stripping it of most of its talent and insisting on using an offensive scheme that does not fit the personnel that they have, from the QB to the RBs to the OL to the WRs.

  18. 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

    Not a bad list.  Now for you, let's also look at the number of first round QBs that never amounted to a hill of beans.  A partial list:

     

    David Carr

    Jamarcus Russell

    Tim Couch

    Akili Green

    Joey Harrington

    Vince Young

    Matt Leinert

    Rick Mirer

     

     

    And I could go on with this list.

     

    What is it going to take to get through your thick skull, as with the OP, that there is no perfect correlation between draft round and success.  as I have now said several times, there is a general link between drafting a QB in round 1 and success in the league.  The OP implied that unless you draft a guy in round 1 it doesn't work, and that is nonsense.  Because many guys drafted in round 1 don't pan out, and many drafted below round 1 do.

     

    correlation coefficients are ranked from +1 to - 1.  A + one indicates a perfect positive correlation between two variables, and a score of -1 indicates a perfect negative correlation.  I indicated above that it may be more a correlation of 0; that is, there is equal probability of a positive or negative correlation. without doing an exhaustive analysis, I would put the correlation between picking a QB in round 1 with long term success at the position maybe around +3-+4.  Some positive correlation, but certainly not near perfect. 

     

    People around here sometimes talk about statistics without actually understanding statistics.

     

     

     

     

    I understand statistics fine, but you are trying to change the parameters because your original claim that draft position doesn't make a difference doesn't hold up.  It does.   The closer to the top of the draft a QB is taken the better chance he has of success.  QBs drafted in the top half of the first round have about a 50% success rate, but the QBs taken #1 hit at 80%:  of the 10 QBs taken at #1 between 2000 and 2014, only 2 -- David Carr and Ja'Marcus Russell  -- were outright busts.  Sam Bradford has been a disappointment primarily because he hasn't been able to stay healthy.  All the others became Pro Bowlers, some MVPs, Super Bowl winners, etc.  Of the 14 QBs taken in the bottom half of the first round (17-32), only Chad Pennington, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Flacco, and Teddy Bridgewater have been successful.   That's only about 29% success. 

     

  19. 15 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

    i disagree with this.    Peterman played 1 half of 1 game for his career.    You have no idea what he is or isnt at this point,  regardless of how he stunk it up..      The league knows exactly what Taylor is.

     

    Actually, we do.  At best, he is not ready to play in the NFL and at worst he's no better than the TC fodder he played against in the preseason.   He is nowhere near the supposedly "pro ready" QB that his fanboys claimed he was.  He's not nearly as good a backup as Jeff Tuel was in 2013, so he's not even ready to be an NFL backup QB.

  20. 48 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

    What exactly will it take for you to get it through your thick skull that draft position and success are not absolutely correlated.  How many QBs do you have to see that were drafted in later rounds, or not even drafted at all, to make you realize it's about drafting the right guy, and not just a first round guy? 

     

    Just looking historically:

     

    Brady (round 6)

    Montana (round 3)

    Warner (FA)

    Moon (not drafted)

    Brees (2nd round)

     

    All three HOFers or sure bets for the HOF. 

     

    YOU look historically!   The only QBs from outside the first round to have any kind of success as starters who were drafted between 2000 and 2014 are:

    • Tom Brady, 6th 2000
    • Drew Brees, 2nd 2001
    • David Garrard, 4th 2002
    • Matt Schaub, 3rd 2004
    • Kyle Orton, 4th 2005
    • Derek Anderson, 6th 2005
    • Matt Cassel, 7th 2005
    • Ryan Fitzpatrick, 7th 2005
    • Matt Flynn, 7th 2008
    • Tyrod Taylor, 6th 2011
    • Russell Wilson, 3rd 2012
    • Kirk Cousins, 4th 2012

    That's 12 QBs that range in success from the GOAT to minimally acceptable starters out of 153 QBs drafted after round 1 in those 15 years.  That's 8% success rate.  Only Brady, Brees, and Wilson are truly top tier QBs.  Schaub and Cousins are probably a step down from the top three so that's 5 good/excellent QBs (3%) found after round 1 in this century.   Moreover, Brees, Wilson, and Cousins were all considered to be either too short or too slight to be successful NFL QBs.  Brady was a skinny kid who got caught up in athletic department politics and had limited starts at Michigan despite playing better than the starting QB whom the AD insisted start.   Of the rest, Taylor is easily the best ... and he shares the same problem that Cousins has: he's considered rather slight to play QB.

  21. 1 hour ago, bobobonators said:

    Im a fan of anyone on the Bills. Its the team i root for. Hes not an A-hole or a bad person so there is absolutely nothing for me to hate about him on a personal level. As for Tyrod the player, im still a fan regardless of his struggles. The offense he’s been on coming into this season set some all-time Bills records on offense. The disdain for Tyrod on these boards is over the top and flat out ridiculous. 

     

    Not to mention that nothing was expected of the guy when we got him. Its not like he was a high draft pick who was a complete bust and screwed us. Ive never seen such an underdog story ridiculed and scrutinized so much as Tyrod. Every thread on here. Every day. Non stop. 

     

    I totally agree.  Even players who don't play well almost always play that way because they lack talent.  A few may have personal issues that impinge on their ability to play better but guys don't make it to the NFL if they're lazy.   I don't even hate my least favorite Bill, Vlad Ducasse; if he could be better, he would be.  I'm angry at the poor decisions the Bills FO and coaching staff have made that have made him a starter!!!  :censored:   

     

    This year at least most of Taylor's problems are also on the Bills FO and coaching staff.   Every QB who ever played from Tom Brady to Nate Peterman needs protection and targets as well as an offensive game plan that maximizes his assets and minimizes his limitations.  Taylor has not had any of those this year.  Peterman didn't, either.  It's like these moronic coaches developed game plans for both of them designed to insure they failed!  :doh:   My guess is that just about every  QB in the NFL this season would struggle to look good playing for the 2017 Bills.

     

    1 hour ago, T-Bomb said:

     

    Wow, that's very lemming-ish.

     

    Well, then, isn't being a fan of any team rather "lemming-ish"?  It looked like there were a lot of lemmings waving yellow towels down in Pittsburgh last night.   How can you be a fan of any team and not support the players who make up that team?  You don't have to be a fan of each player to support them as team members.   I don't see the hatred repeatedly expressed against some Bills players -- particularly Taylor and Dareus this season -- as being a sign of anything except the individual hater's own shortcomings.

  22. He's also had a much worse team around him than those 1990s Bills, especially this season when that OL has been trash.  It's easy to forget just how talented those teams were.  I can't watch video of those 1990s teams ... it's hard to believe those were Bills teams after watching the garbage teams the Bills have fielded in this century.  :bag:

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