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1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
A lot of teams passed on him.
Just saying
Actually, not that many: he went #12, and the Jags, Titans, Chargers, Panthers, Bengals, and Saints all had QBs, so only 6 players were taken ahead of him by teams that might have been looking for QBs, including QBs Trubisky and Mahomes. If the Bills had chosen to make him their #10 pick instead of trading with KC, only 4 players would have been taken ahead of him by QB needy teams, and only 1 QB. It's entirely possible that Watson turns out to be just another flashy first year starter who will look great until the DCs figure out his game, but my point is that assuming the Bills will get it right on a QB just because they want or need one is the ultimate foolishness.
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2 hours ago, Best Player Available said:
It's not bleak to everyone. The team has a winning record. Probably won a game or two on pure emotion over talent levels. The coach and GM are rookies. Trying to find their way. My comment on sneaking in as the last wildcard then getting toasted in a road game ( yes it could happen). Is not something IMO I want to see.
I would rather wait and see what the new regime can do over the course of a couple of years. Does anyone think Peterman with Tolbert, Washington as a DT, etc. Will put fear in anyone in a playoff game? The board will meltdown. This is not remotely a team that can go deep in the playoffs. Isn't winning a Lombardi what long suffering fans really want? Or is simply getting in the playoffs good enough? Remember some predicted a 4-12 season. Lets get some players, fire a coach or two, and see these guys build a winner. Or watch them flame out like everyone before them. Then start over.
But this is a rebuilding year, missing the most important player a franchise QB. That guy is not on the roster IMO.
He likely won't be on the roster next year either.
How did drafting EJ Manuel in 2013 work out? Oh, yeah, having EJ allowed them to pass on Derek Carr.
What about trading back to draft JP Losman in 2004? Even if they had wanted Aaron Rodgers, who lasted until #24, they'd already wasted their 2005 first rounder on Losman. This is also the same franchise that passed on DeShaun Watson to trade back to #27 to pick a DB to fill the hole created by not re-signing their former first round DB Stephon Gilmore.
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6 minutes ago, Dan said:
I think people are saying the team quit, because for the last 2 games.. They looked completely out matched in every possible phase. In fact, they looked so bad, it had all the appearance of players not even trying. Because lets be honest.. .you have to almost willfully do something to be so bad that you only have 56yds of passing, or give up a 94yd touchdown drive all with runs.
I don't think the players gave up. I just think the FO has completely shred this team of talent and has been using it as a season long try out. Look no futher than the mess that is the offensive line, for evidence that the coaching staff is using this season as a means to evaluate talent as opposed to try and win games. They got lucky a few times, sure. But now the league has caught up to them and the results aren't pretty.
The only thing I can't figure out is why this FO ans coaching staff is so inept that they need to waste an entire season to learn how to do their jobs. The inability of this franchise to field a professional football team is beyond reason at this point.
Well said, sir. The Bills have been heading for a melt-down since the beginning of the season. A combination of luck, opponents that are not as good as they appeared to be, and the lack of film for opponents to analyze enabled them to mask their worse issues but the manure has finally hit the proverbial fan.
IMO, Dareus was the key to a house of cards ... even if he wasn't playing as much as he should/could for whatever reason, he was enough of a force to at least hold back the worst of the defensive disaster. Without him, all the deficiencies on the DL against the run were exposed because there was no longer anybody to force teams to use double teams on obvious running downs.
As for the offense, I think it comes back to two things: continued issues with the OL, lack of talent at WR capable of stretching the field, and very conservative play calling by the OC. Taylor isn't a QB from the wild and woolly 70s or 80s who calls his own plays. I'm not even sure how much he's allowed to audible. Good defensive teams -- or hungry divisional rivals like the Jests -- know that the Bills need to get their run game going and that they don't have any downfield WRs -- so they put 8 in the box to stop the run and limit yards on check downs -- and they're successful, the Bills are toast
During the 5-2 run, the Bills as a team bought into the McDermott philosophy -- and, according to the company line, those who didn't were kicked to the curb. The problem is that mind/will/desire does not have an infinite capability to top matter, ie talent. Will cannot make a slow player faster. It can't make a player with average football instincts and skills play like the best player at that position in the league. It can't make a smaller player able to stop a bigger player when all else is equal. The laws of physics apply on the football field just like in the rest of the universe. A team without much talent on both sides of the ball -- which is the Bills thanks to various FO moves in 2017 -- isn't going to have much success against a team with significantly more talent no matter how much they want it. In a few freakish instances they might get lucky and win a game, but not many. That's where the Bills are. It's likely that teams like KC and NE will lay more ugly losses on them. I have no idea if the team will quit on McDermott. I don't think it has happened yet, but how many more losses like Sunday can the team absorb before they do?
Dan, in answer to your last point, I said back in TC that this regime bore a strong resemblance to the Jauron regime, and while I think McDermott is a significantly better coach than Jauron, the resemblance to the Jauron debacle in 2008 seems even stronger now.
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40 minutes ago, THEHARDTRUTH said:
And the names of those HOFs who went elsewhere are?
Future HOFers: LT Jason Peters, one of the all time great OLers to play the game, and RB Marshawn Lynch, but I suppose they were before you discovered football, right?
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4 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:
We are just not where we need to be against good teams, and in time the evolving puzzle will be filled in nicely with the right pieces.
Bull manure. The Bills aren't where they need to be against poor teams like the Jests, either, and it's NOT going to be fixed any time soon ... any more that it has never been fixed over the last 17 years.
A team that continuously sheds its best talent for reasons other than absolute necessity -- ie, they're up against the cap -- is never going to win anything as the Bills' 2 winning seasons in this century attest, but keep making excuses for them if it makes you feel better. The proof is in how many players that the Bills didn't want go to other teams and have productive or good or great or even HOF careers while the Bills wallow in the same losing rut they've claimed as their own since 2000.
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25 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
I have never seen one thing about Sammy wanting to leave. The GM admitted he never talked to Sammy about his long term plans. Sammy was friends with people who went to St. Francis. He never said anything about waiting to leave.
Revisionist history to make justify the Bills' bad moves just like the Bills apologists now claiming that Dareus was disrupting the locker room when there was nothing ever even hint that he was any kind of trouble in the locker room.
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2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:
There does seem to be a constant here that you're not addressing: highly talented players really seem to want to get the hell out of Buffalo. I'd add Watkins and McGahee to this mix.
Keep telling yourself as the playoff drought continues into the foreseeable future.
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25 minutes ago, ctk232 said:
But...third times a charm?
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5 minutes ago, John from Hemet said:I dont agree with you at all......if we make the playoffs and get bounced that is def a step in the right direction
Apparently some fans expect that mythical Bills Super Bowl team to materialize from thin air.
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1 hour ago, row_33 said:
As much as I'd like to tear it up and start on 2018, they aren't going to dump Tyrod and a chance at a playoff run (even if it is pathetic) until it is proven over.
And anyone collecting a paycheck from the Bills knows just as much as the fans how dire this is looking.
Oh, we've been this route before ... 2008 started 5-2 and went 2-7 down the stretch ... 2011 started 5-2 and went 1-8 down the stretch. This isn't dire for anybody except for some of the players. McDermott and his crew isn't getting fired after one season; both Jauron and Gailey got another year despite their teams' collapses. Neither is Beane even if the team goes 0-9 down the stretch because "the Process" needs to be "trusted" for several more years before it becomes obvious that the new crew is as crappy as the old crew.
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51 minutes ago, CountryCletus said:
While I agree that there are fans that will buy whatever the organization sells, I’m not one. I like to look at all sides of a deal or situation and formulate my own opinion. My own opinion can even be changed based on good points brought up by others. As it stands now, Jason Peters continually came back or held out crying for new contract after new contract- screw that. Marshawn Lynch was one poor decision away from a year long suspension, and with all the crap he found himself in in such a short period here in B-lo, it wasn’t a stretch to think he would find that trouble before long (which is why we only got a 4th for him), and I’ve already explained my stance on the Dareus trade. Never once have I claimed that these players weren’t talented, the first two are/were elite talents at their position, but I’m not sold on Dareus... I was once sold on him, but I’m not sure if I was looking at his draft position and hype, or if it was his production.... either way, his recent productivity and attitude has be questioning what I thought I once knew....
Well, you might think you don't "buy whatever the organization sells" but your post says differently.
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19 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
If they honestly wanted to make the playoffs this year, it was a completely awful trade. All this BS culture talk. You know what helps the culture: winning. And you win with talent.
But all will will be forgiven when we miss the playoffs after starting 5-2 when we draft the next Brady with that 6th round pick.
yesterday was embarrassing. We got bullied by a team that has been one of the softest in the nfl for a decade.
It's been "The Bills Way" -- giving away the best talent on the team for next to nothing that supposedly will someday produce a playoff run that never comes -- for the last decade but we're all supposed to believe that we haven't been down this road before. Of course, 2017 is shaping up to be a mirror image of 2008 and 2011 when the Bills started out 5-2 and then collapsed defensively.
19 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
That’s not very good
You're not going to EVER convince the Bills true believers that the Dareus trade was a mistake simply because they buy every specious excuse that OBD feeds them ... and then they make some more of their own. You'll STILL find those who defend trading away Jason Peters and Marshawn Lynch.
18 hours ago, CanadianFan said:Bob, I know you are a smart man, I've read many of your comments. You need to get over simplistic explanations offered by that stat and READ and comprehend. How do you not get this simple explanation. He isn't good for stopping the pass. He's great for run stopping. If he's in there only for 40% of the snaps that meant HE WAS DOING HIS JOB STOPPING THE RUNS, and it became PASSING DOWNS so he came out.
How do you NOT get this Bob?
What was our BIGGEST PROBLEM THESE PAST TWO WEEKS? Can you just SCAN the threads here? Answer me that simple question - what was our BIGGEST defensive issue last sunday?
Too many Bills fans can't get their minds around the idea that in modern NFL defenses, players can specialize. McDermott used Dareus as a run stopping specialist, and he was good at it, but he took Dareus out on passing plays. I'm not going to pretend to know why McDermott didn't use Dareus on passing downs because it's not like the Bills had anybody else who could collapse the pocket, but Jim Schwartz used him successfully on passing down back in the "good ol' days" of 2014 when the Bills actually got to passers.
17 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:What everyone is OVER LOOKING on the Dareus trade with regards to COST: Likely gonna cost us a 1st/2nd round pick in this deal too.
1. He wasn't a position of luxury or depth, he MUST be replaced in THIS draft or FA, and it will most likely be the draft.
2. All we got was a 6th that could become a 5th. The odds of us replacing Dareus with that draft pick effectively are probably less than 5% and probably closer to below 3%.
3. As a result of needing to replace him, we are more than likely going to have to use a higher draft pick on him, and with the acquisition of Kelvin Benjamin, I think DL is now going to be top of the list and likely use one of our first rounders and definitely within the first 2 rounds.
4. So not only do we LOSE a young talented DT locked up under contract, we also are likely going to be forced to use one of our high draft picks, probably a first rounder TRYING to replace him. And even using an early pick like a 1st, the odds of us finding an equal replacement are very low, and even a guy who is a solid replacement isnt very high as most first rounders bust or fall short of expectations.
5. And if that draft pick doesn't pan out, we will continue to need to invest draft capital moving forward searching for the hole we created...a hole that all we got back for was a 6th round pick.
6. Pretty good chance we need to replace Kyle Williams next year too (or at least should), making it 2 holes on the DL we may be searching for replacements in this draft for.
If you really look at the whole picture, not only did we lose Dareus, but now we likely lost a high pick in this next draft we COULD have spent on many other holes just to try and replace someone we wouldn't have had to replace. We should have at least rode the season out to see if he and the new staff could find common ground before getting rid of him so cheap. Not to mention, if he continued to show strong this season, we could have gotten much better compensation, like at least a 2nd to help try and find a replacement.
PS: I dont want to hear about cap crap in regards to trading now vs the off season. You don't give away talented young players locked up just to save a little on the cap one extra season, thats not how teams make the playoffs.
Spot on post. If the Bills draft a DT in 2018, it will be 2-3 seasons before he starts playing up to his best level, and yes, they need to find a replacement for Kyle Williams plus they definitely need a RG better than Vlad Ducasse and Richie Incognito is as old as KW, so he's not going to be around much longer, either. Basically, the Bills need to rebuild both lines. I will be shocked, however, if the Bills actually draft any DLer or OLer on Day 1 or 2 in 2018. They'll go with a QB in the first round because they'll need to excite the fan base with a shiny new first round QB savior even if they have to reach for one ... just like they did in 2013.
1 hour ago, CountryCletus said:Everyone that continues to evaluate this trade as Dareus vs whatever we get for that 6th round pick, clearly doesn’t understand the broader football operation and how teams are constructed....
Seventeen years of no play offs, including the last 12 years under the direction of Russ Brandon, suggests it's "clearly" NOT Bills fans who don't "understand the broader football operation and how teams are constructed...."
All Bills fans, myself included, are guilty of is being repeatedly duped by the people running the Buffalo Bills.
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7 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
The Bills should get a tax write off for donating to charity for handing the Rams a playoff berth. They were a joke organization, people were calling Goff a bust after 7 starts, and their top wr was Tavon Austin, who is 3’5”.
Now they have an elite threat that defenses have to focus on every play, which opens up everything for Gurley and the other WRs. Now, we are going to have a really low 2nd and a cb who will probably walk because he’s less durable than Sammy.
Awesome. Trust the process!
I believe the 5th OC will be the charm for TT. We also need to spend both of our 1sts on WRs and TT will be able to finally shine.
Actually, might get more bang for the buck with using them on the defensive line.
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5 hours ago, ProcessTheTrust said:
Someone on some WGR show (can't remember which one) said it best. We aren't missing the Marcell from this year. He was trash. We are missing the Marcell from the past few years. The guy who would eat up double teams and take away the up the gut run game. Living off of flukey turnovers was fun, but now we are exposed as a really thin, easy to push around defense. Our ONLY hope is to have an O that doesn't surrender 3 and outs 4 times in a row. I believe we have a QB on the roster who could facilitate that but who knows if he ever sees the field while still alive this year.
That works two ways. When people feel wanted or needed, they tend to give much better effort than if they feel unwanted and/or expendable. Since stories began surfacing back in the spring about the Bills wanting to get rid of Dareus, it had to be obvious to him that he wasn't wanted. I'm sure somewhere in McDermott's " study guide on "How to Be an NFL Head Coach" there's at least a paragraph or two about motivating players. He might Google "self-fulfilling prophecy", too.
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39 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
There are a lot of people out there who are pretty uninformed about how crappy the AFC is this year beyond the top tier.
Did you watch any of the games against the Jests and/or Saints? I seriously doubt it or you wouldn't have started this thread. The Bills will be lucky to win another game this season.
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4 hours ago, May Day 10 said:
I have been one of the most consistently outspoken Brandon-firers for almost a decade. I have been skeptical with every half measure they have taken to make 'changes' that always resulted in Russ Brandon remaining untouched and front-and-center. I know his dream and career goal was to be a football (or baseball) executive (on the GM side), and Ralph Wilson really had an affection for Brandon, and prioritized giving him the opportunity to learn and GM.... while shielding him from the fans' ire (such as the Buddy Nix 'general manager of football' circus.
At this point, I am satisfied with the evidence that he has finally been walled-off enough from the football side. McDermott and Beane finally break up the joke of the lineage of Levy-Brandon-Nix-Whaley that was largely designed to preserve the influence of Brandon and a few lifers. McDermott and Beane, unlike those other guys, are strong voices from the outside, with lofty aspirations. They would not agree to take jobs here if they needed to defer to unqualified people (this is why the Bills were never able to get any serious consideration from any coveted Head Coach candidate or FO candidates who matter). It is also why our only two 9-7 coaches quit.
Under Brandon, they dont make these moves this season, especially the Watkins one. They would have rode him out to either a Franchise Tag battle, or just off a cliff. Trading down the way they did was a good move for the future.... The team failed to see more than 1 move ahead for the last 20 years. As somebody well studied in droughtology.... this is different, and I am willing to see this rebuild through.
Sorry, but I subscribe to the Harry S. Truman school of accountability: the buck stops here (ie, the top). Brandon has been the top guy for more than a decade, and he's responsible for the organizational culture on the Bills that puts the emphasis on profitability rather than on wins. His doesn't have to be "hands on" because he's delegated that to his subordinates, individuals who are conveniently nameless and buried in organizational charts with esoteric titles. Beane and McDermott didn't hire themselves did they? Beane wasn't even here when the decisions to not sign Gilmore, Gillislee, and Woods, and I don't think he was here when the actual decisions to trade Dareus and Watkins were made. What kind of professional organization would leave such major personnel decisions as trading high profile players to a neophyte coach/manager who's never had this high a responsibility when he doesn't even know them? Somebody in the Bills FO made those decisions, and it wasn't Whaley, and if it had been, they could have easily been rescinded when he was gone. Whaley danced to whatever tune his bosses at OBD played, and Beane does the same.
Until and unless Brandon and his disciples go, the Bills are going to keep doing the same BS over and over again that they've done since 2006, and the drought will continue indefinitely. They are never going to have an independent and experienced "football guy" as GM who has the power to hire his own coaches and decide which players to draft, which ones to pay to keep, and which ones to let walk based on what's likely best for winning football games, not for fattening profit margins or putting butts in the seats.
4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:Okay let's put it this way..... From our 8 picks (5 in the first 3 rounds) I'd want them to find at least 2 cornerstone players - A QB and one other and two good starters. Before anyone tells me that is "unrealistic" that is what it takes to turn around failing programmes. Go look at those 3 Seahawks drafts 2010-2012. They produced:
Earl Thomas
Kam Chancellor
Richard Sherman
KJ Wright
Bobby Wagner
Russell Wilson
SIX Pro-Bowlers and absolute cornerstones for the success of that organisation. They also produced a host of guys who were good there for one contract - Russell Okung, Golden Tate Byron Maxwell, Malcolm Smith, Bruce Irvin, James Carpenter and Jeremy Lane who isn't quite a cornerstone but has been a starting corner for them for a number of years. Oh and they found Doug Baldwin, Jermaine Kearse and DeShawn Shead to name but a few as UDFAs in that same 3 year span.
Now I accept they are a bit of a one off but look at the Jaguars as another example.... they have turned that roster round through the draft. Allen Robinson, Jalen Ramsey, Myles Jack, Telvin Smith, Cam Robinson, Marquise Lee, Hurns as a college FA. Oakland did the same with a draft that landed Derek Carr, Khalil Mack and Gabe Jackson. They haven't maybe hit on as many top players since then Oakland but that one draft with a QB and an impact maker on each line changed their team.
When you have been bad as long as the Bills have you have to have drafts where you hit and hit big to turn the ship around. We have the ammunition to do that in 2018. We need to make sure we take the chance.
I wasn't saying it was one in the last draft, I was responding to someone who said expecting them to find more than one was not fair. I absolutely want to give this HC and GM time. I want them to have a hit 2018 draft. They have the ammunition to get it done. If they do they will turn this team around and be the guys who lead us back. If they waste it then they probably won't be here in 3 years. Even for an organisation like the Bills who have looked at the Draft as the golden goose year on year the 2018 Draft has the potential to be franchise changing in a way few others have since 1985.
The problem is that the Bills never keep enough of their best talent long enough for them to become cornerstones because they aren't willing to pay the going rate for top talent.
3 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:What does Rus Brandon have to do with the current roster? Brandon has been put in charge of exactly what he is good at, marketing the Bills and the Sabres. He is not a part of the Bills on-the-field and football strategy decisions.
He's the President of the Buffalo Bills, bud. Y'know, the guy in charge. The guy who makes the ultimate decisions about who to hire and who to fire, and who to pay and who to send packing. That's what Russ Brandon has to do with the current roster.
3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:Bortles blows.
Marrones a good coach and Jacksonville has acquired talent. They don't trade it away for no good reason.
Agreed. Bortles is a step or two above Osweiler as a starter, even if he was taken in the top three in his draft year, and he really holds that team back.
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52 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:
Mahomes hasn't done anything so...as for Watson, I think they felt it would've been redundant getting him. His play was similar to Tyrod's. Shorter QB with at the time accuracy issues and scrambled a lot. That probably raised red flags to them. It potentially ended up being a mistake. However, look at all of the running QBs that have come out of the draft lately. A lot of them seem to be getting hurt frequently in the early part of their career. Maybe they wanted a pocket passer instead.
No, they needed a CB because they let Gilmore walk, and intended to use their first pick on a DB. CBs are just about the Bills' favorite first round position to pick, along with WRs and RBs. QBs, not so much.
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20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Well one per draft even with the standard 7 picks ain't really good enough. That would be a downgrade on what Whaley was finding. Expecting them to hit on just over half of their picks in the first 3 rounds and 1 guy in the 4th-7th is a perfectly reasonable expectation.
Define on "hit on". NFL caliber or better than the trash that the Bills currently have at some positions? Whaley was hitting on NFL caliber players, but most of his picks weren't "difference makers". Of course, if Watkins or Woods or Dareus blossom into difference makers on other teams, then it will be just a bigger indictment of the Bills organization, won't it?
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2 minutes ago, Dr. K said:
This practice of blaming the Bills' continued ineptitude on Russ Brandon is idiotic. Brandon does not hire the coaches. He does not assemble the roster. He does not set the schemes or prepare the game plan or do the game day coaching.
Sure, fire Russ Brandon. It will make absolutely no difference except to marketing.
Just now, teef said:really playing the russ brandon angle still? good lord man, get a new schtick.
He's President of the Bills. He's been in charge of the Bills under various titles since 2006.
- The Bills have a 73-103 record and 0 play off appearances since 2006.
- The Bills have a .415 winning percentage since 2006.
- The Bills have had 1 winning season (9-7), 1 8-8 season, and 9 losing seasons since 2006.
- The Bills finished last in the AFCE from 2008 through 2013.
- The Bills have one of the lowest retention rates of high round draft picks of any NFL team over the last decade. In 2017 alone, they shipped out 3 first rounders (Dareus, Gilmore, Watkins), 2 second rounders (Woods, Ragland), and at least 1 third rounder (Goodwin).
- The Bills have traded away a Pro Bowl LT (Peters) and a Pro Bowl RB (Lynch) since 2006 who went on to have All Pro and HOF careers with other teams.
- The Bills have had 2 GMs and 5 HCs not counting interim HCs. They've changed owners. They are no closer to making the playoffs in 2017 than they were in 2006. Actually, since they have less talent as of today than they had in 2006, they probably aren't even as close.
So, when does "accountability" for the miserable record the Bills have compiled over the last 11 years get applied to the individuals who make key decisions on hiring GMs, HCs, budgets for coaching staffs, players, etc? Apparently, ol' Harry Truman's "The buck stops here" doesn't apply to Russ Brandon.
And, no, Teef, I'm NOT getting "a new schtick" because you cannot change an organizational culture while leaving the individual responsible for that organizational culture in place.
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2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:
I would like the Pegulas to bring an experienced football executive with a proven track record to oversee the front office and serve as a "sanity check" on short-term and long-term strategic planning and execution.
I have been asking for this for YEARS.
Until Russ Brandon and his FO proteges are gone from OBD, what we've seen the last decade is what we're going to continue to see on the field. That's who has been running the team since Donahoe was fired back in 2005, and the quality of management speaks for itself.
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1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:
You simply don't think logically. It's pure emotion.
Goff is probably right now top 5 in the MVP voting and you're completely dismissing his production because you're just not a fan.
Actually, you're the one who isn't thinking logically. Billsfan1972 is looking at Goff critically as a QB, not at his stats. His criticisms of Goff's play simply echo what numerous other observers have mentioned. On another team, like the 2016 Rams or the 2017 Buffalo Bills, Goff would look like a bust (he was already considered that by some after last season), but he's on the 2017 Rams, a team with a smart, offensive minded young HC who was smart enough to go out and hire one of the master DCs in the game today (similar to Pitt and Tomlin hiring Dick LeBeau as their DC back a decade or so), and a FO willing to go out and get more protection (Whitworth) as well as weapons for their young QB.
Taylor's situation is reversed. He's on a team with a questionable OL that has struggled to adapt to new block schemes and with injuries. His entire receiving corps was sent packing and replaced by a JAG WR (Matthews) and a rookie who had the yips for most of the season and then got hurt. Benjamin has been with the team 2 weeks, hardly time to become a viable part of the offense, but one of the reasons that Carolina was willing to part with him was that he wasn't much of downfield threat. The Bills simply do not have the talent at WR to stretch the field, so good defensive teams play the WRs tight, put their safeties up close to the LOS which enables them to shut down both the run and YAC on check-downs, and blitz the QB at will.
You can complain about Taylor all you want but the Saints rang up 295 yards and 6 TDs on the Bills D. That's the real problem, and that is solely on the coaching staff and FO, and it's not going to be solved by putting in Peterman or by drafting a first round QB in 2018.
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8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:
The Bills are a farm team for the rest of the league and, what's worse, many Bills fans seem to have accepted it.
Accept it? Hey, they EMBRACE it! NONE of those players are worth the money they're making! ALL of them don't have the skill sets the Bills want/need. The 2018 draft will SOLVE all the Bills' problems ... and if not 2018, well, there's always 2019 ... 2020 ... 2021 ...
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6 hours ago, BigDingus said:
it's crazy to think that the team Rex inherited was so damn talented, but he ran it into the gutter with McBeane finishing it off by getting rid of all the young talent. It's going to be fun wasting all these draft picks just to replace all those same positions... Doesn't really feel like we're "building" anything, just standing in place.
We were a QB away from being really good...but since then we've gotten much OLDER and regressed far too much.Back in the summer, I said McDermott reminded me of Jauron. Although he's a better coach than Jauron, the resemblance to Jauron remains. This team bears a depressing similarity to Jauron's 2008 team, which also started out 5-2 ...
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11 hours ago, Cygnus99 said:
LA Chargers will have an easy win next Sunday
The only saving grace for the Bills is that Rivers and the Chargers always manage to find ways to lose games even when they outplay their opponents.
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12 hours ago, leonbus23 said:12 hours ago, njbuff said:
Apologize for what????'
Dareus was a disgrace to this organization and he is outta here for a reason.
Plus, he is an eyelash away from sitting on the pines for a year.
Dareus is to blame for Dareus, not the Bills.
Dareus is hardly a "disgrace" to any organization. He's a twenty-something guy with lots of $$$ who got in a couple of scrapes that numerous twenty-somethings with lots less $ get into frequently. Furthermore, the old "he is an eyelash away from sitting on the pines for a year" line is EXACTLY the same one used by fans justifying giving away Marshawn in 2011 ... and how did that all turn out? Isn't it amazing what good coaching and playing for a winning organization can do for a somewhat wayward player?
12 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:Good coaches can work with players with imperfect attitudes McD on the other hand has this attitude of dumping anyone who doesnt fit his process and system (whatever those are). Dareus was not pulling his weight but whatever little he was doing seemed to hold up our run-D.
Since the Bills were shopping Dareus since TC, I doubt it really had much to do with Dareus' attitude and much more to do with the Bills deciding they wanted his contract gone. I don't know if McDermott truly has the attitude that if guys don't buy what he's selling he wants them gone and will force them out or if that's simply a convenient excuse used by the Bills FO.
9 hours ago, Augie said:The old “17 year” thing is tired and actually pisses me of. Be smarter than that.
Why? Because you want to pretend that the kind of FO manure that's gone on this year hasn't happened before?
9 hours ago, Augie said:Hey, that was horrific. No doubt! But I won’t over-react. Even on the heels of the ugly Jets game. They are looking to the next draft, looking for the QB, looking beyond this week. It SUCKED, and it pained me, but I go WAY beyond 17 years of this. The big picture gives me hope.
It's November. The Bills are ALWAYS looking forward to "next draft, looking for the QB, looking beyond this week". Well, "someday" doesn't look any closer today than it did the day after the Music City Miracle.
9 hours ago, THEHARDTRUTH said:Im willing to let this play out. These guys have a vision on what kind of team they want to build. Firing people every two years gets you nowhere.
Let me guess ... you're either a spouse, child or sibling of one of the Bills' FO staff.
9 hours ago, papazoid said:just watched the jax game on NFL game pass
dareus did not start, he's a backup.
I didn't count, but my guess is he played about 25% of the snaps.
had a couple good efforts, but for the most part looked slow and out of shape.
Of course Dareus isn't a starter ... he's only been there for 2 weeks.
3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:Just to clarify, I’m not talking with you because you don’t know what you are talking about, not because we don’t agree. I disagree with people here all of the time.
You don’t even understand the Dareus situation that you are so passionate about. The guaranteed money paid out made it basically impossible to move on before the end of next year. There was little benefit to it. That’s why so many of us at the time didn’t like the move. It’s proven to be true.
I think you are wasting your time trying to explain anything to this poster. My guess is that he/she has some connection to the Bills FO and is on a mission to defend the indefensible no matter what.
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Committing a first round pick to a QB when the team already has a franchise QB (or what they believe is a franchise QB) already playing isn't something that many teams do. In recent years, the only teams I can think of that's done that was Green Bay when they grabbed Rodgers while they still had Favre and KC when they grabbed Mahomes when they had Smith. Would either have taken a QB if they had missed the playoffs the year before and were drafting in the top ten with lots of desperate needs to fill? Probably not, and that's the case with both San Diego and NO. They had much bigger issues than their QBs.
The Jags were committed to Bortles; teams that draft a QB in the first round are going to give him his full contract to prove or disprove himself unless he's absolutely a disaster like Ja'Marcus Russell. The improvement in Jared Goff demonstrates that young QBs can turn it around abruptly, especially when the coaching and talent around them improves.
Finally, Andy Dalton wasn't considered a problem before the 2017 season. Being in his 6th or 7th season, he was expected to be in his prime.
Sorry, dude, but my mama didn't raise me to be so grateful that I'm allowed to live at all that I don't complain about living in a vile hell hole. Acceptance may be your thing, but it's sure not my family tradition. My people didn't wait around praying for the czar or Bolsheviks or Nazis to spare them ... they did something about it even if that something was just to get the hell out of Dodge while they could.
When I don't like something, I do something about it, even if that something is very minor and/or only symbolic. The Bills are actually very low on any scale of importance but I sure am NOT so grate that they exist that I'll be happy about the manure that's been dumped on Bills fans for the last seventeen, and soon likely to be eighteen, years. It's why I no longer am a season ticket holder and why I choose not to attend even one game this season.