ChiGoose

“The Democratic Party are Marxist Communists Socialists and also they are the party of the billionaires.” -MAGA logic Meanwhile, the party that received the overwhelming majority of donations from billionaires, is led by a billionaire, has a cabinet full of billionaires, and is trying to pass a bill that basically nobody likes that gives huge windfalls to billionaires while raising costs for average Americans is *not* the party of billionaires. Got it.

One of the fun things about recognizing that most MAGA voters are just actually dumb is that when you point it out to them, they respond with non-sequitors because actually realizing that they are pawns of the elitist billionaire class requires them do the impossible task of thinking for themselves.

Americans generally dislike the “Big Beautiful Bill”, including Republicans. If voters hate the bill, but the GOP pushes it forward for some reason, maybe MAGA voters will start to think* about who really is in charge of the movement? Pew: Far more Americans oppose the legislation than favor it. Nearly half (49%) oppose it, while 29% favor it. Another 21% are not sure *Just kidding. Anyone still in the MAGA movement is incapable of independent thought. They stopped any brain function to focus all resources on licking boots.

Always funny when people who can’t read or lack critical thinking skills complain about being called stupid. You can’t fix stupid. But you can point and laugh at them.

No matter how dumb and gullible you think MAGA is, it’s not as dumb and gullible as they actually are. Unfathomable levels of stupidity here, and I’m sure you all will manage to top it soon enough. No wonder the GOP wants to destroy the education system, they need a steady supply of idiots.

Look man, at best, they’re dumb. They’re just a bunch of dumb idiots who have no idea what is going on or what they are talking about. That’s why they keep pathetically trying to deflect like this and constantly move the goalposts. It’s like the country is being run by flat earthers. Try to reason with them at your own peril.

Bootlickers gotta lick boots. Even if they spent the whole campaign talking about how Kamala was going to drag us into a war in the Middle East, as soon as Dear Leader does it, they come up with excuses. At this point, you have to wonder: do they have preferences on which types of boots taste better? Are Timberlands the modern go-to, or do they long for the taste of a good Marschstiefel?

Yeah, Trump really seems to have found a final solution for the border question, huh?

“I’m over the Constitution. If other people behave badly, why should I have any standards for myself?”

“The Constitution doesn’t poll well” is quite the statement.

Any pro-Constitution MAGA rule of law types want to point out that this was blatantly unconstitutional?

Yes, this is a thing that dumb people think. But in the real world, this action, like the US stepping back from global hegemony, only incentivizes nuclear proliferation. Countries with nukes generally don’t get invaded. Countries protected by countries with nukes generally don’t get invaded.

Gotta think that lots of countries are thinking of starting nuclear weapons programs now. If no deal can be trusted, and you can be bombed and attacked for not having nukes even as you are negotiating a potential nuclear treaty, the only logical solution is to get nukes to prevent bombings. We’re not bombing North Korea are we? Pakistan? Everyone is going to want nukes to protect themselves now.

Dear Leader Donald the Dove is the Peace candidate who won’t start wars. That’s why we love Dear Leader for starting a war.

The US getting involved in another war in the Middle East? This never would have happened if Donald Trump was President. https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/114724035571020048

This war never would have happened if Trump was President

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This never would have happened if Trump was President

You keep taking him seriously. That’s your fault. The entire world is laughing at you.

I don’t understand why this thread is still going since Trump ended the war on January 21st…

Electing judges makes about as much sense as electing surgeons.

How does one know their poll is bad in the moment? Do you believe that Selzer should have compared her poll to others and if it didn’t match, toss it or change it? Because that’s an argument in favor of poll herding. Selzer missed the 2024 election by 16 points. She has also missed other elections by 11, 10, 9, 8, and 7 points over almost 30 years. She’s well regarded because the vast majority of her polls ended up very close to the final outcome. Because that’s how polling works. If you’re honest, you are going to miss. It happens. Selzer could have looked at her number being way off from the margin and done what her peers do: change her numbers to better fit the narrative. She did the correct thing by not doing so and now people are somehow claiming that this is evidence of her fudging the numbers.

Polling misses happen all of the time, it's just the nature of the business. You're taking a sample of people and extrapolating for an entire population. Most pollsters also include assumptions and try to fit their sample to the population (if 10% of the population is Demographic X but only 2% of the sample is Demographic X, they may decide to multiply the answers from Demographic X respondents by 5). To avoid looking as bad as Selzer does here, a lot of pollsters "herd" their polls: they fudge the numbers so their results look like what other pollsters are showing. This way they aren't way out on a limb. If a pollster has a result that shows John Doe +10 but the current polling average is John Doe +3, they can adjust their polling assumptions to get a number closer to +3. There has been a lot of discourse on the accuracy of polling (including here on PPP) and how to poll in a world where people don't use landlines and don't answer calls from numbers they don't know. Selzer's methods have been pretty good for most of her career but either her methodology no longer works, she was unlucky in her sample, or a combination of both. In any case, there's no evidence of anything nefarious here. Ultimately, I think the backlash against her poll is going to result in more pollsters herding instead of posting their real results and I think that's a bad thing.

If Selzer's numbers were correct, it'd almost certainly mean a Harris landslide where she won 350+ electoral votes. If Dem voters thought the race was in the bag, that would be more likely to decrease turnout than to increase it. Simplest explanation remains: she missed hard. Not the first time she's missed, but certainly the biggest one.