ChiGoose

Comparing raw numbers is essentially just comparing city sizes. If you want to compare effectiveness between things with vastly different sizes, you use rates. If there were 2 murders in a room of 4 people but 20 murders in a room of 1,000 people, which room is more dangerous? According to you, the second room. According to basically anyone who can understand basic numbers, obviously the first room. No, it didn't. Clearly Chicago has issues, but if it was the murder capital of the country, you'd expect it to have the highest murder rate (i.e. likelihood you get murdered). And if the deployment was about crime, they'd start with the places with the highest rates of crime (i.e. the place you're most likely to be a victim of crime). Jesus, you guys are really bad at this. Do you just regurgitate talking points or are you actual capable of an original thought?

Please indicate where I said Chicago was a utopia.

This, of course, ignores just a *few* cities with higher homicide rates than Chicago: Birmingham, AL (58.85 per 100k) St. Louis, MO (54.09) Memphis, TN (40.61) Baltimore, MD (34.77) Detroit, MI (31.17) Cleveland, OH (30.05) Dayton, OH (29.66) Kansas City, MO (27.56) Shreveport, LA (26.84) Washington DC (25.49) Richmond, VA (24.16) Milwaukee, WI (23.91) Cincinnati, OH (21.82) Louisville, KY (21.72) Indianapolis, IN (19.98) Oakland, CA (18.62) Albuquerque, NM (18.43) Montgomery, AL (18.07) Minneapolis, MN (17.95) Lancaster, CA (17.68) Little Rock, AR (17.63) Chicago, IL (17.47) Do we think the people in Shreveport should be mad their governor deployed their National Guard to DC when their homicide rate was higher...

There's no one panacea that's going to fix crime in Chicago and many things that would help are politically unpopular, especially given that we're still dealing with massive budget issues created by the last Mayor Daley giving away the store on his way out. On top of that, Chicago borders Indiana and is about an hour from Wisconsin. No action under the power of the mayor or even the governor will prevent gun violence here so long as those states continue to have lax laws that lead to 60% of the guns used in crimes here coming from out of state. It's really easy to point fingers, but much harder to find and implement solutions. Chicago already has one of the highest police-to-civilian ratios in the country, so if simply hiring more police solves crime, Chicago would be the safest city in the country. And frankly, who gives a s*** about "the perception of the liberal philosophy"? That's just nonsense that serves to distract from the facts on the ground.

There's no place that is bereft of all crime. But if there is such a spate of crime in Chicago that would warrant a heavy handed federal and military deployment, shouldn't those resources be focused on the areas with the highest crime? If the presence of soldiers deters crime, wouldn't you want them stationed in the places where crime is most likely to occur? Here are the 12 month totals of homicides and homicide rates of some Chicago neighborhoods: Washington Park: 12 homicides (Rate of 92.3 out of 100k people) West Garfield Park: 15 homicides (88.2) East Garfield Park: 15 (75) Greater Grand Crossing: 23 (74.2) North Lawndale: 24 (68.6) West Pullman: 15 (57.7) Riverdale: 4 (57.1) Englewood: 13 (54.2) Humboldt Park: 19 (35.2) Near West Side: 19 (27.9) Near North Side: 13 (12.4) Near South Side: 3 (10.3) Lower West Side: 3 (8.8) The Loop: 2 (4.8) Lincoln Park: 2 (2.9) Lakeview: 1 (1) If you were to organize the deployment of these resources, how would you deploy them based on these homicide rates? If you see a bunch of Feds standing around the Bean in broad daylight, that might tell you something about the real intent here.

I cannot think of a bigger waste of time or energy than keeping track of what posters on this site said. If you have to dredge up old posts, you’re just admitting you have nothing of relevance to say. Do you have anything to say about the actual topic of this thread? Or do you just want to keep thinking about me instead? EDIT: It seems my other number one fan is here too. Maybe the two of them can fight it out for who spends the most time thinking about me instead of saying anything useful.

Not upset. Just confused about your apparent obsession with me. Repeatedly going through my posts and quoting me on unrelated topics to derail the conversation when you have nothing of value to say. You’re not even the first to have such a weird obsession with me. I think this site just has a bad effect on some people and you may want to consider rethinking how much time you spend here.

A good way to evaluate whether or not the whole National Guard thing is actually about crime is to see if they focus their deployment on neighborhoods like Lawndale, Garfield Park, and Englewood. If instead, they deploy to places like the Loop, River North, or Old Town, it’s because the real purpose is a show of force against perceived enemies, not combating crime. Which option do we think they will choose? Are you ok? You might want to go touch some grass buddy. You seem to have an unhealthy relationship with this site.

Ah, I see the snowflake brigade is triggered. Maybe next time, I should include a trigger warning for them so the facts don’t hurt their widdle feewings.

Well, the government said it, so it must be true. We do love and trust our government here, don’t we?

Chicago has been ranked the best big city in the US for eight consecutive years. Why Chicago Is The Best Big City In The U.S., Per New Survey Which is likely a surprise to many on this board who are terrified of cities after having their minds melted by the internet.

Crime continues to decline in Chicago, but MAGA lives in a false reality so they will still push their BS narratives. As Trump plans to deploy the military, how bad is Chicago crime? See the numbers YTD change vs 2024: Murder: -31% Sexual Assault: -3% Robbery: -33% Battery: -13% Burglary: -21% Felony Theft: -16% Misdemeanor Theft: +2% Motor Vehicle Theft: -26% If this was really about crime, they’d be deploying to St. Louis, the murder capital of the US. They aren’t, because it’s really about “crime”.

Is it grand juries doing their jobs or the liberal deep state stopping Trump from bringing the Subway Slayer to justice?

If only the rest of the old guard and gerontocracy would follow him out the door…

We are now up to SIX no bills on indictments arising from these deployments. D.C. grand jury declines to indict another defendant amid Trump's crime crackdown "It is rare for a federal grand jury to decline to indict, but it's become an emerging trend in Washington amid Trump's federal crackdown, with grand juries made up of local residents declining to indict at least six times in recent weeks." If it's so easy to secure an indictment that a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich, the fact that they keep failing time and time again to secure indictments almost seems like evidence that this isn't actually about crime...

There isn't one because this isn't about a solution to crime. If it's really about crime, ask yourself why they haven't deployed to St. Louis or New Orleans, which have much higher homicide rates than LA, DC, or Chicago.

NYC could use them more. Chicago has an extensive alley system, so garbage pickup is pretty good here. Didn’t need to pay millions of dollars to a consulting firm to come up with the idea of garbage cans… Of course, nothing better highlights the stupidity of this whole thing better than people in camo wearing high visibility vests picking up trash.

Sure, but that’s not the choice. Newsom wants people to think that’s the choice but a lot can happen in 3+ years. The front runner at this time is frequently not the eventual nominee. If we can’t do better than Newsom in the next three years, we deserve what we’re going to get.

The only thing with any potential redeeming value is showing the hypocrisy of how people respond to his intentionally insane posts vs Trump’s unintentionally insane posts. Otherwise, it’s just a slick California politician trying to cover up the fact that he sucks.

Between this and doing everything they can to cover up the Epstein stuff, the GOP motto should be “F*** them kids”

Crossing the border illegally is a crime. Being undocumented is not a crime. About half of the undocumented people in the US crossed the border legally. Facts are tough for you, huh?

Doesn’t matter what you call it, it’s not actually a crime. If you have thought it was, this might be a good moment for some introspection

Being undocumented in the US is not a criminal offense

You must be one of those big government types who believes everything the government says, so I guess I can see why you think he’s a criminal. For those who believe in the rule of law and constitution, it’s important for the accused to have rights. The fact that if what the government was saying was true, they could have avoided all of this mess by going through the usual process should make anyone with any amount of skepticism concerned that the government is lying.

Just trying to figure out if you’re dumb or a terrible person You’ve confirmed it’s the latter (at least for this topic).