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Denver fans wouldn't want Tyrod, huh? Revealing post...

FC, you weren't there for this entire discussion last year and 808 can't remember it, but the argument was a per game basis since some years Taylor would likely play a full 16 games, like this year if he weren't pulled. Glad you 2 are getting your LOLs though, even if you have to take a discussion out of context to do it.

No. You see, this has been your problem all along. You didn't understand then what I was saying and you don't understand now what I'm saying. But apparently I'm being "cantankerous and insulting," so I won't try to explain and run the risk of stepping on the toes of folks who can't engage in civil and rational disagreement.

Well, if you think the HOF is keeping out a QB who passes for 3500 yards, 23 TDs, 7 INTs while maintaining a passer Rating of 99.4 which is 3rd all time at the moment and adds 650 yards and 5 TDs on the ground every year he plays, can you explain why?

Odd that you think something that's about as factual as it gets is hyperbole. You know what that word means, right?

There, that's phrased better at least. What we argued was that if Taylor managed to replicate his 2015 production every single year for the rest of his career, he'd be in the HOF. And that the discussion of some that they would need to see an increase in his production aligned with something like what Carr did from year 1 to year 2 was absolutely preposterous. And that there would almost certainly actually be some kind of dip in his production simply because of how well he produced in 2015. That was what we said, not that he was inevitably a HOFer because of one season.

Primarily Shaw and I said that if Taylor replicated the exact same numbers per game in 2015 he had every year for the rest of his career he's a HOFer. And that unlike what everyone else was saying, the hard part would actually be maintaining his play, not improving it. Still think we were wrong?

Wow... talk about oversimplification and twisting of a statement. I already know I'm one of the posters you're referring to.

Funny, I've seen posters referring to you as the board Troll. I'm not one to label like that, but your simple, narrow-minded posts probably lend credence to that belief. Serves me right for spending the time responding thoughtfully to you... It's your job to prove your wild generalization, not mine to disprove it. As I challenged another poster recently, go watch every play from every QB in the NFL and chart the % of plays at least 1WR is "wide open" and the QB doesn't throw it to him. Do that and it's fair to talk about whether TT is as bad at this as you believe he is. I know it's going to take time. Making strong, well-reasoned arguments often take time. Good thing it's the offseason. Your move, Skippy... Wow... you're just sad... But then again, you serve as a good way to wean off the countless trolls over at BBMB. Going cold turkey would be tough... so thanks for being here!

Sorry but no. Find a comparative study. Or do one yourself. You guys act like Taylor missed wide open WRs he was supposed to throw to based on his reads more than any other QB in the NFL. The very first play of the season is one of those plays is a good example. Woods, who ended up streaking wide open to the left of Taylor, was on a side of the field Taylor never looked because his first or second read was open on the opposite side of the field. I hope you're not pretending you've watched the All-22 of every play of every QB in the NFL? Or that you understand where a QB is supposed to go on every play? Or that a bird's eye view from the comfort of your living room is the same as the perspective on the field with bullets flying?

These are the kinds of baseless, denegrating comments that are really annoying.

That's fine if that's how you want to define it. Though it's incredibly weird to call stats a QB racks up in a come from behind victory due to a successful onside kick "garbage time" stats. But if this is the case you're opening Pandora's box because now you need to go out and analyze the defensive schemes because, according to Thurm (and you, since you're agreeing with him), it's the fact that the defense is in a certain scheme more than anything else. Pretty humorous, actually. Frank Reich's wildcard comeback oughtta be labeled "The Greatest Garbage Time Comeback in NFL History."

How about macadamia nuts?

1000 to 1, huh? http://archive.advancedfootballanalytics.com/2009/09/onside-kicks.html?m=1 I'm not a betting man, if I go to Vegas would 1000 to 1 odds be the equivalent of 20%? Because that's the chance of successful recovery of an onside kick when the other team is expecting it. And so by your definition, Tom Brady's 90+ yards, 70+% completion %, and 2 passing TDs in the last 2 minutes of week 14 of 2013 when the Patriots got the ball with 1:38 left in the 4th were "garbage time" despite the fact that the Pats won...? Really a head-scratcher there, Thurm...

I 100% agree Taylor was not good in that game (though unlike the Cincinnati and Bengals games there were a handful of excellent plays he made), but calling a game that the Bills had a chance to drive down and tie (or win) with over a minute remaining in the game if they converted an onside kick full of garbage time is misguided. There's a reason a game is 48 minutes. Not 40 or 42 or 45. In 2013 the Patriots were down the entire game against the Browns by multiple scores... all the way until the last 4 minutes of the game when the Patriots scored and converted an onside kick. The Patriots went on to win. Say all you want about Brady being the GOAT, except there would have been no chance to win that game without the conversion. Blowouts that end with lopsided scores have garbage time. But there's no garbage time in a game like that. That's what we love about the NFL and why the players keep playing... anything can happen.

A bye week to brood over a heartbreaker of a prime time loss might have played a part.

Ravens game and the Cincinnati game were the worst whole games from Taylor this year for sure and probably in all the games I've seen him play as a Bill. We went 1-1 in those 2 games.

PS: Thanks for the thread and the link Erik! I'm a TWD newbie but I actually read and found these articles before joining. I like being able to talk to the author himself. So, question... How high do you think Taylor's ceiling is and what do you realistically think it will take to help him reach that ceiling and play closer to it with more consistency? See, this is what I think, too. But some here think exactly the opposite. Don't get it...

I think it's weird the way some people lump Taylor in with Kaepernick or RG3 as athletes who play QB and aren't comfortable being traditional pocket passers. Taylor has work to do for sure, but he sure looks like a "pass first" guy to me. And when he has a clean pocket, it sure looks like he can be a traditional pocket passer, too.

I don't get it... Agreed Why? Honestly, Taylor's "lowlights" aren't nearly as bad as most other NFL QBs. His biggest thing is he needs to get more consistent. Don't mind him... Thurm's always Mr Cranky Pants who thinks he knows everything but can't see the Forest for the trees.

I'll take your "Huh?" and raise you one

Hindsight is 20/20. It's absolutely hilarious the universal hype both of those guys got back in 2012 constantly being touted as the future of the NFL and as Elite players. Very few (if any) were predicting a precipitous decline for either guy because they were already "Elite." Now look at all the backtracking. Same thing but in the opposite trajectory for Kirk Cousins. The NFL is so year to year and unpredictable. That's why I think everyone who makes such factual predictions are so funny. You don't know. None of us do. In fact, I'll make a prediction just for fun that I think will further demonstrate how fickle the NFL is if it happens. It's only a prediction, not me prophesizing: Matt Ryan is going to struggle next year to a degree where questions will rise as to whether he really deserves the "Elite" moniker he was given this year or if he was just elevated significantly in Kyle Shanahan's system.

Holy crap if this is true it'd be amazing!!! The Bills are starting to resemble a real NFL team again... getting more excited about the draft

Actually no. I don't want or need supportive responses. I want responses that provide substance to counter my own points. Stats. Plays. Specific reasoning from beginning to end. RF and Larry are 2 I appreciate (I suppose I could say that more often) because I feel like they at least do the specific reasoning thing consistently. You and Bangarang are capable but often choose the simple responses. Thurm has some good stuff mixed in with a lot of arrogance that seems to lead him down the path of tunnel vision and getting lost in convoluted and contradictory arguments and arbitrary criteria. Everyone agreeing would be boring. I don't take things personal until they become personal. Why does it seem like so many make everything personal.

I don't really know what to say... I'm not the only one keeping this thread going, ya know. What exactly is a message board for? So you would prefer when I post anything to just make vague baseless statements? It's odd to me that the posters most clearly sick of my threads (and this is the first one I have ever started over here and the last for a good while) like you, RF, Crusher and Thurm are the ones who so often find your way into them and become the most vocal. I ignore all the threads I don't want to read. And maybe you think my actions do otherwise (that's a you thing) but I didn't call a single poster out by name in the OP.