BullBuchanan

So the people who make all the money for the league shouldn't be paid for it? Who should? One could credibly argue that they're underpaid.

He's a MASSIVE upgrade over Beasley in just about every facet of the game at this point in his career. Beasley is completely washed. The fact that he still has so many stans given his 2 catches for 18 total yards over 2 games would be mind blowing except we all know that the outrageous fandom for the guy was never about his skill as a football player. There's never been a WR so hyped around here with 5700 yards and 34 TDs over an 11 season career.

I'll be happy to teach him some skills Cooking is awesome especially when you have access to an unlimited budget and hard to source ingredients.

read that again. Short yardage plays are 100% timing and location. It's what the west coast offense was built on. Tom Brady built his career around them.

That's all you've got? 12th is yards against is good, and I already countered the point argument via their offensive turnovers. Try again.

Dak gets too much hype and too much blame. He's a franchise QB and a solid top 10 player at the top of that 3rd tier down of QBs. He has the potential to throw the team on his back in any given game, but he doesn't do it with enough consistency to will them to a championship. Shady as an analyst is a pure clown though.

I feel dirty having to inform Bills fans that other teams are in fact good at things, yes. They rank around top 10 in nearly every category despite having an offense that leads the league in fumbles and is #2 in INTs and is completely inept otherwise. They may have the best LB group in the league with arguably the best LB in the game. Care to counter?

This is all sorts of wrong. Their 2nd and 3rd WRs and better than our #2 and #3 and Pittman is very good. Not Diggs, but in that 12-24 group. Their defense is extremely good, bordering on elite.

I'm not giving them 30 seconds. How many times do I have to say it? I'm giving them 5-10 with no timeouts.

Not if you go down after the first down bleed the clock off and then score with under 10 seconds like I suggested. As a data guy, there aren't any analytics that take into account the specific weather conditions.

Allen isn't in the race. It's Hurts and Mahomes unless they both get hurt and Allen goes off the remaining games. Even then I'm not sure. Allen;s shot to win was last year.

If he slips on the XP, he already scored the touchdown - don't understand how that figures into it. The bills kickoff and game is over. He should be less likely to slip on the kickoff, but if he does then they get the ball at their own 40,45 best case scenario? So they get one play to throw the ball 55+ yards. Ok fine. If that's the worst case scenario I'm cool with that. If they miss the FG, there's a chance the bills never possess the ball again and lose.

It was the wrong move in that situation. I understand he wanted to avoid giving the Dolphins a chance, but there was a superior option. If Devin goes down after the first down, they're in a position now where they can bleed the rest of the time off and try to score a TD on a handoff with a few seconds on the clock. A field goal in that situation is extremely risky given the snap, hold and kick in slick conditions. Yes, it worked, but that doesn't mean it was a high probability play and I'd hate to see that become the new standard operating procedure in similar situations when a touchdown is available.

multiple things can't all be true? Oh, well carry on then.

The whole production sounded and felt low-end like a 4th string crew at CBS. I expect a station that's run by the NFL to create a great atmosphere for their product and make the sport feel as epic as possible. Instead it felt like I was watching cricket. They missed a number of timely replays, didn't pull up any interesting player highlights, and failed to tie the game into the drama of the season. There wasn't anything specifically bad about it, there just wasn't anything good.

We're not talking about him. His talent and production are not and have never been in question.

No it didn't. We may have done well as an average, but we have been giving up clutch plays on long downs for the prior two years. Hail Murray? 13 seconds? It's been especially bad this year though. Any time it's 3rd/4th and long I'm taking the Bills opponent to pick it up.

I haven't seen the team tackle well since McD/Frazier got here, but they've been especially bad this year.

Did you watch the game tonight? The dude got clowned.

Because Milano makes infinitely more plays than Edmunds does. He plays every snap like he's shot out of a cannon, so his misses are easier to overlook. We know that over the course of a game, and especially over the course of a season it's going to even out because he never stops impact making plays. The problem with Edmunds is that he's never offset his flaws by any sort of playmaking ability. He either does nothing or gets abused. We were gashed up the middle all night tonight and his inability to shed a block or read the RB is not an insignificant reason why that is. I'm not interested in an MLB who gets abused on a constant basis like he does. We could sign Deion Jones next year for half his salary to do the same thing.

You just described Preston Brown. I see you're far too biased and set in your opinion to be reasoned with. I'd replace him with Trenton Simpson who is an athletic freak just like Edmunds but a lot more dynamic. He can actually cover slot receivers, light up running backs and sack the quarterback. Will you admit you were wrong about Edmunds if he doesnt? Why does everyone who supports him say he's a leader? What has he done to show that he has any leadership qualities at all?

Why would I care about how long it's taken him to get good? Because he's had 4 awful seasons and one good one. He's the center of a defense that repeatedly falls apart in crunch time. I think the player he is is much closer to that player he's been the first 61 games of his career and not the last 10. I don't want to see our staff reward his one-year wonder play with a long term contract and be saddled with a middle linebacker that can't hit, can't tackle, can't shed a block, can't rush the passer, can't play the football, can't cover a TE, and most of all who I can't count on to make 1 play to win a game. A rodeo clown? Yes. A rodeo clown. When all of his flaws are laid bare, as they have been in this thread, people defer to the fact that he's a deterrent in the middle of the field. That he some how causes QBs to not make plays just by virtue of being present. To me, that's saying that he's playing the role of a rodeo clown. He's absolutely no threat to the bull, but maybe he can distract him long enough to protect another player from getting burned. If true (i haven't seen much data to suggest it is) it's a noble endeavor, but not worthy of an "elite" moniker or top LB money. I'm not looking to rip anyone for being an overachiever. I love overachievers - Freddie, Stevie, Kyle, George Wilson, Ryan Bates, Jim Leonhard, Jon DiGiorgio, MATT MILANO etc. Overachievers are people that weren't supposed to be any good, but carved out a role for themselves based on determination and effort. Soemtimes that role is niche and in the case of Kyle and Milano they became elite stars. That's to be commended. I rip underachievers - players like Edmunds that have all world ability and don't put in the work to reach their potential. There is nothing about Edmunds 6'5" 250lb 4.54 body that prevents him from laying a jarring hit on anyone. The reason he can't shed a block, intercept a pass, force a fumble or sack the quarterback isn't because he doesn't possess the physical attributes to do so, it's because he doesn't have the technique to do so. In my eyes that's either a lack of effort/practice or a lack of football IQ. Regarding Beasley - again please try to hold off on the ballwashing. I never said he was a bad football player (though he was objectively bad in 2021). His first couple of years here the hype around him was far far overblown. He was a competent player with solid strengths and significant weaknesses. He was a valuable asset, but some in Bills fandom crowned him the best slot wr in the league. That statement was just as ridiculous then as a statement about Edmunds being top 10 now. Who cares about his comps around the league? You do apparently, because this entire discussion is based off your statement he's a top 10 player. If you said we was a top 20 player, we aren't having this discussion. I don't need to "deal" with Edmunds being good. I want nothing more than for it to be true. I just don't see it happening. Finding a great MLB is tough, and it would be best if we had one on the roster. I watched him last week fail to wrap up Carter in the flat because he tried to tackle him around the shoulders and he bounced right off him. He's been int he NFL 5 years and he still has ***** tackling form. He still can't shed a block, but thankfully the massive improvement on the DL has prevented him from having to worry about it. He still can't catch a football. There's a reason he's playing on his 5th year without a contract extension on a team in win-now mode.

That may have been true on college tape but he tested very well at the combine

it took him 5 seasons to get to average-above average. Saying he's top 10 is laughable. You either don't watch any games that don't involve Buffalo or have a completely biased perspective. It's blatantly disrespectful to actual top 10 players to say he's anywhere near that list. Milano's on the outside edge of it and he's far superior to Edmunds. People are grossly overcompensating for Edmunds having a single season that is far better than any season he's ever had (in a contract year of course), and even still what has he done in that season? 1 sack, 5 TFL, 0 Int, 0 fumbles, 4 pass deflections. There's only so much a being a rodeo clown standing in the middle of a backfield is worth. Just say he's played great this season and I won't fight you on it. Why isn't that enough? Some people have to ballwash every player around here like they have no competition in the league, when it's nowhere close to true. People did the same thing a couple years ago calling Beasley the #1 slot receiver in the NFL and that turned out rather predictably. There are a lot of talented players in this league, a small number of them are elite.

Expected Value is a thing and in this case is the answer to your confusion. They can both be great on any day, but Mahomes is great far more often. He's also bad less often.