[Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State]

Positive attitude, relentless will to improve, loves to block, can contribute on special teams, "best football is in front of him", can play in the Buffalo elements.

Pretty much a grab bag of tired McDermott/Beane cliches with this guy.

Nevermind speed, explosion, separation ability. Nope. He brings his lunch pail to work and he likes to block! Huzzah!

And heaven forbid we not take the guy that JOSH likes. Worked super well with Ken Dorsey. 

*****. Mother*****ing *****.

[Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State]

🤢

So F'n Gross. 

I hate it soooooo much.

[Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State]

I hate it.

We lacked speed and separation ability in our WR corps, so what do we do? 

PASS on a fast separator and draft a guy whose ONE major red flag as a prospect is that he can't separate. 

Outstanding.

Least favorite draft year I can remember so far.
 

[The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33]

Keon Coleman 

[The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33]

2 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

I just realized I won't be happy with anyone they pick. I got sucked into the "trade up for Odunze" hype train and now everyone looks like a compromise. I hate predraft speculation because it creates unrealistic expectations.

I wanted a trade-up, too.

That said...If they were to take, say, Troy Franklin, and then later on circle back and take Javon Baker...

I'd be pretty happy with that.

[The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33]

2 minutes ago, boyst said:

No. Please no 

It would really ruin my draft weekend.

Of all the round two caliber WRs left, I can honestly say that Keon Coleman is the one I want the LEAST.

Just...absolutely not the type of player I want. Ugh.

[Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

It doesn’t. It frees up 6M

Still waiting to hear how the Bills do it. What's the plan?

[Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Round 1 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)]

32 minutes ago, EggFartExplosion said:

I wonder what Brandon Beane's farts taste like after an egg salad sandwich.

Going through the trouble of creating an account, finding a picture for your avatar, and then making dumb posts seems like a weird way to waste your time -- especially during draft weekend.

You should probably re-evaluate your life choices.

[Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I think @NoSaint was alluding to this but I've talked about this scenario before with regard to trading Diggs...........the Bills could agree to trade their current pick(s) to the Niners or Seahawks tonight for a future pick(s) of theirs........and then trade it back to them for Aiyuk, Deebo or Metcalf in June.    

 

I'm genuinely curious: Has this ever happened before in the NFL, to your knowledge?

[NFL looking into an 18-game season and having the Super Bowl on President's Day weekend.]

I don't know how many times I need to say it, but...the NFL is Icarus.

[The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33]

Supposedly, it's the worst kept secret of the draft this year that Washington wants to move up and get an offensive tackle to protect their new QB investment.

While I don't necessarily trust the veracity of the person who posted the rumor or the specifics of the trade itself, it won't surprise me in the least if we DO trade with Washington.

It's about as far back as I can see Beane being willing to move, too.

[Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi]

Just now, FireChans said:

 

Tell that to this dude who thought he checkmated me with this gem lmao

1.) I don't think the post by Appoo that you quoted means what you think it means

2.) You still have yet to answer me by explaining the mechanism by which the Bills can trade for Deebo Samuel today.

Talk all the smack you want. Until you can explain how I'm wrong and you're right, it's all just gum-flapping.

[Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

 

we all agree to terms, it’s the 2025 pick and we wait until June 1 for paperwork? 
 

also gives some runway for other cap maneuvering 

The Bills' salary cap space, even with the additional $10 million, still would not be equal to Deebo's cap hit. Indeed, other cap maneuvering would be necessary by Buffalo between now and June 1st.

But it certainly seems to me, though -- and this is backed up by the timing of the Tweets in question -- that people are primarily talking about the 49ers trading a WR away NOW, during the draft. And that, in particular, is what I'm mostly discussing here.

[Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi]

Just now, FireChans said:

Haha. I know the salary cap terms like dead cap and cap hit get confusing but the 9ers definitely save money trading Deebo. Took a 5 second google search to prove. 
 

You can just admit you don’t know what you’re talking about lmao

Just waiting patiently for you to explain how the Bills pull this trade off.

I know it'll be a nuanced and well thought out plan. 

I can hardly wait.

[Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi]

Just now, FireChans said:

Ur wish is my command 

 

 

 

Awesome!

For your next trick, please explain how a trade for Deebo Samuel would be possible.

I beg you. 

I'm dying to hear your explanation of how to make this work. 

I don't know how else to explain the difference between "believing it's very unlikely a player will be traded away due to the dead cap hit it would create" and "it's literally not mathematically possible to trade for some of the guys Bills fans seem to want".

But please, PLEASE....explain to us how they can do it.

Just now, FireChans said:

they save $6M by trading Deebo lol. I don’t think you understand the salary cap.

Oh for *****'s sake. 

Ya know what? Nevermind.

I've already spent far too much time talking to a wall here.

Believe what you want. 

[Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

“There’s no way we’re paying an extra $3M to have Diggs play elsewhere” energy

Riddle me this: How are the 49ers -- themselves just $6million under the salary cap -- going to eat the amount of Deebo or Aiyuk's cap hit it would take to make this trade possible? Please, by all means, explain it to me.



 

 

[Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi]

1 minute ago, njbuff said:

 

There are ALWAYS ways to get around the cap if you truly want a player.

 

It has been done before and it will be done again.

 

If Beane wants one of those guys and they can work on trade, it will be done. But who knows. 

Sure. In this instance, there is one -- and only one -- way. The team trading the player to us would have to agree to pay that player's salary, or at least enough of it to make the player's cap hit for the Bills less than their available salary cap space.

The 49ers are ALSO quite tight to the cap, with just over $6 million. Anyone think they want get super creative about finding a way to use all of their remaining cap space and hamstringing themselves to the point that they can't afford to sign their draft picks just to pay the salary of a traded-away player to help the Bills out, all in exchange for a 2nd round pick?
 

[Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi]

1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said:

Unless they traded and resigned one of those players.   If they add years to the contract they can then backload it.  

 

I dont want Deebo but its not impossible. 

No. You cannot legally negotiate a new contract with a player until he is on your roster. You can not legally add him to your roster if doing so puts you over the cap for even a moment. There is no "hey, give us the day to work out a new deal with him once he's on our roster". That's not a thing. 

[Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi]

Just now, Roundybout said:

 

Thank god. 

@Warriorspikes51 @GoBills808 So do we want to keep doing this for a while longer, or?

And before anyone points out the "nearly" part in that post: It refers to the (incredibly unlikely) possibility of the team we're trading with agreeing to pay the player's salary this year. For various reasons, that's simply not gonna happen.

[Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

we’re not allowed to do anything per _____ expert TBD poster _______ 

The exact mechanism by which it is literally not possible for the Bills to trade for a WR whose salary cap number exceeds Buffalo's available cap space has been explained several times in this thread. You can flippantly dismiss the reality of the situation by jokingly referring those doing the explaining as "self proclaimed experts" all you want, but you can't change the reality of NFL salary cap rules. 

[Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

What rule are you referring to?

It was posted in this very thread, but since I'm guessing you won't scroll up to look at it:

All NFL teams must be salary cap compliant by March 13th.

It is now past March 13th.

The move would make the Bills, well....NOT cap compliant.

Ergo, it would not be possible for the Bills to trade for a WR who's salary exceeds Buffalo's available salary cap space.

 

[Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi]

This thread is gonna go on for 11 more pages even though this trade would be literally impossible due to league salary cap rules, isn't it?

[Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Like how they couldn't trade diggs right

Nope. 

That was different.

That instance of saying "can't" was people overstating the unlikelihood of trading Diggs because of the dead cap it would create.

THIS instance of saying "can't" is because they LITERALLY CAN'T. Teams HAVE to be cap compliant at this point in the year. The Bills, by trading for any of the veteran receivers with high cap hits, would be over the cap. You can't negotiate with a player while he's on another team. A trade submitted to the league where the acquiring team would be put over the salary cap by the acquisition will be declined.

I'm not saying it's unlikely. I'm saying that NFL rules make it literally impossible. Significant difference.


 

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Gotta have a short term memory to be an elite poster

Or just an understanding of league rules.


 

2 minutes ago, appoo said:

I dunno if the NFL rules allow for this, but for the Bills to get Deebo or Aiyuk they'd have to get an extension in place prior to the trade so they don't break the cap when they take on their contract. 

 

Aiyuk is much more likely as his on his 5th year

NFL rules do NOT allow this.

[Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi]

11 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Hahahahaha another self proclaimed cap expert on WGR telling everyone “definitively” the Bills can’t trade for Deebo or Aiyuk

 

 

They um...can't.

[Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi]

I don't understand how NFL analysts, all of NFL twitter, and four pages worth of posts on this thread don't seem to be acknowledging the following:

The Bills CAN'T trade for Deebo. Literally cannot do it. 

The only way it would work is if San Fran said "we'll pay most of his salary this year", which...why would they do that?

Failing that unlikely scenario, the Bills' salary cap situation makes it literally impossible for them to trade for Samuel, Aiyuk, or Higgins right now. They can't afford it.