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No one knows exactly how the offense will be structured under Dennison. And no one knows what value he places on MG in his offense.
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....actually wonder if OBD would provide any medical update on his condition......don't want to get busted by the HIPPA Police.....
HIPAA would apply to the health care professional leaking any info to the Bills
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So far the Pegula's are almost as bad as Jimmy Haslam at building a football team.
One Bills coach quit, Rex was a snake oil salesman, now we have dry McDermott.
The Sabres have blown through Reiger, Lindy, Nolan, LaFontaine in the FO for 2 months, now Murray and Bylsma.
Pegula just saying over and over discipline, communication, structure, character doesn't really do anything. Like he knows the formula now for winning?
YOU NEED TALENT TERRY AND KIM! TALENT!
Talent. And structure . And character. And discipline. And communication. And accountability. And commitment to processes that are effective. All of these are tantamount to any successful organization.
If Pegula, McD ET had not said such things you'd be on here asking why not.
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To me, he just makes me roll my eyes. And maybe that's not much of his fault. You hear all these Coaches that come through here and they all start to sound the same after awhile.
We are going to compete, earn the right to win (to me that sounds stupid), work hard, respect the process.
He is saying the same things as Jauron, Chan, Marrone, Rex. Work really hard and compete.
What he says publicly doesn't even matter. He doesn't say anything of significance or value. Its just canned, stock answers.
Another thing, we've all worked with over-eager company guy. The guy who has done more than you by 6:00 am in the morning, the guy who looks at his watch when you come into the office at 8:00 am. Its great and all that he is that obsessed to wake up at 3:00 am every morning, and set his watch 4 minutes ahead, but I don't really care. None of that is going to win the Bills a Playoff game.
McDermott is a chore to listen to so far.
Then don't listen to him.
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One of my other great Bills memories involves basketball. My dad was a basketball ref and every year he'd get asked to ref the charity game between the Cardinal O'Hara faculty and the Bills. Back in the 60's most of the Bills had off season jobs in town and they'd do a lot of charity functions. Dad would always bring me along and I'd get to hang out in the locker room with Lamonica, Stew Barber, Ernie Warlick, Paul Costa , Butch Byrd among others.
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Benoit with si.com was just on WGR. When CBS came up his view was they let Gilmore go because they didn't need to pay a lot for a guy that plays man coverage dincd their coverage schemes are done based. From that the conversation went to them likely drafting CBS but in later rounds because you can get zone over guys in this deep a draft.
Maybe Seymour will be a good zone coverage guy. They must see some potential there.
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It's a tie for me between helping tear down the goal posts and carrying them to Ralph's box when we finally beat the Fish in the 1980 season opener, and being there to see the Hit Heard Round the World by MIke Stratton for their first championship.
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That's one way to look at it.
I always thought it was the job of the Gm to be the chief talent scout and personnel decision maker. It was the job of the coach to take the personnel he is given and assemble them into the best performing football team possible.
Yet, I don't think that is what is happening here.
Don't know for sure because I don't work inside the organization. It just appears (could be totally wrong about this) that the coaches (Rex and McDermott) have taken the role of chief talent scout and personnel decision maker. Meanwhile Whaley is serving more of an executive level advisory role to whether or not it makes sense to go after certain guys.
Another way of putting it - Perhaps McDermott is the shot caller and Whaley is an advisor/business man who finds a way to make the coach's decision happen.
Again, could be totally wrong. But it would make sense why Whaley has never said HE is the final decision maker and why the coaches have also never said WHALEY is the final decision maker. They are masking the fact that the coach (and possibly the ownership) are really the ones at the helm of the personnel search.
Another thing that fits that scenario well is Pegula's seemingly very strong trust in Whaley. If Whaley hasn't called the shots recently (last couple years and this year now) it would make sense that there is nothing to hold him accountable for in regards to personnel decisions. Pegula would literally have no reason to fire Whaley if he isn't making the calls. Pure speculation. I have an active imagination.
I think different teams do it differently. Like in KC Reid makes the decisions on personnel, in Baltimore it's Ozzie. To me the important thing is having coaching and personnel folks on the same page with respect to the philosophy of what they want in a team. Such that you can draft guys that fit, look at the right fits in free agency, etc.
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In the grand scheme.......finding RB's is easy.......trying to get a guy in the 5th-6th round(Pats pick is more like a 6th).....KNOWING that you probably need 100-150 highly productive touches to not have your running game fall off that year........well that's a different story.
Well, two seasons ago it was Karlos. He lost his mind, they brought in Gillislee (who had been cut twice)) and he did well. So while I want to se MG stay, I'm thinking it might be more the blocking and such rather than the specific guy, such that they can fill that spot fairly quickly (and J Williams may be that guy).
I'm actually happier they kept Groy, since you never know what's going to happen with Wood and we really needed depth there.
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Some of their decisions as a team and organization have been bad. Rex for instance. Whaley is not immune to criticism. If Sammy doesn't heal up that pick will be a mistake. Taking Kouandijo is round 2 was a mistake. Keeping EJ around too long was a mistake.
Letting the market set a price for a backup RB, and then deciding whether to match or not, is generally how one does business in the NFL however. The other restricted FA this season, Groy, they did the same thing, matched, and now they have a guy as depth that played well last year. But no one mentions that because it was a good move.
they are quite likely subject of losing williams for a few games this year if not 4 for his dwi last year.
We'll see. Picking up another speedy RB is fairly easy, although I will say yet again I would like them to keep MG.
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Yeah trying to put some kind of "phony" label on Parcell's after the fact is laughable.
What he did was pretty extraordinary by any measure.
He was an excellent HC, HOFer in fact. Not as good as the front office guy. Won Super Bowls as a HC but not as a front office guy.
Is there anything there factually incorrect?
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I think most of the criticism is how the Bills handled the situation to begin with.
They could have made him untouchable for a higher tender, which only amounted to about $900,000 more in salary.
Now they will need to pay him an additional $2.2 million to match the offer sheet, or let him walk to our biggest division rival.
It's really a lose-lose situation now. Letting Gillislee walk for only a 5th Round Pick makes us look dumb, because it leaves us with no RB depth on the "run-heaviest" team in the NFL. Matching the offer makes us look dumb, because it costs us an extra $1.5 million in cap space just because our front office gave him a lower tender.
The only way the Bills walk out of this situation looking smart, is if they replace Gillislee's production with a cheaper RB or if they draft a stud with the 5th Rounder they get from New England.
They do have depth with Williams and Tolbert. People keep saying that but it's not correct. And they don't necessarily have to draft a RB with the extra pick.
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My daughter is sending a video audition to sing the anthem. If she is accepted that one for sure. We live outside Indy so I think she may want that game so folks see her back home.
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Just FYI...if Simon is saying it, you can take it to the bank that that's what the team is doing.
He's not speculating.
OK. Getting used to the folks here still. As for Gillislee, if they wind up matching a lot of folks will look pretty silly.
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Judging whether someone is a "winner" or not based on SB victories is kinda the apex of bad-logic fandom. Badol also forgot to mention that he took over a 1-15 Miami team and got them to 11-5 the next season.
I see your point
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There are certainly things Whaley can be criticized for,
Giving the first QB off the board a grand total of 17 games to show improvement is not one of them.
Good point
Don't know what to tell you guys other than you look foolish digging in your heels on something you are so obviously mistaken about. Obviously, neither of you were paying attention when that draft happened. You just like to argue. Whaley openly owned and still owns the EJ draft. It is the most ridiculous conversation to still be having this long after the fact when it is public knowledge.
Don't become stock traders. You will sit still staring at your computer screen in disbelief waiting to be proven right as you watch your Enron stock go to zero. Poof!
I was around then. In fact, I've been watching the Bills since 1960. And your problem is simple: I have facts and you have feelings. The facts are thus: Buddy Nix was the GM of the Buffalo Bills the day of the draft when EJ was selected, and that Buddy specifically indicated he was going to be sure he got a QB before he left. Doesn't matter who was on board with the pick (and for that matter Marrone was also there when they worked him out).
But you go ahead an enjoy your conspiracy theories.
"Listen, we have said from Day 1, that we want to draft a good young quarterback," Nix told WGR-AM in Buffalo. "I don't want to leave here without a franchise guy for the future in place. I have not said that before, but I'm saying it now because it's a fact."
Just to show facts are, in fact, facts.
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Better defense. And TT making more use of the entire field.
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right. a top quality GM or Coach taking a job in Buffalo over comparable jobs/$$ in other franchises will impress your friends and feed your ego. Don't think so. That's why we don't get the Reids and Harbaughs of the world. It's a historical fact that the only guys taking jobs in WNY are those washed up old schoolers at the end (Jauron, Donohoe, Ryan) or very very beginning of an exec career (Whaley, Marrone, Williams, Mularkey), because B Lo is the only option they are offered. Buffalo is like a AAA baseball franchise, the minors. And they are right to take it. Better to be the "sort of" GM of the Bills or the HC than to be the "head scout" or OC of a up to date NFL franchise. Got it. But the Bills get low grade exec talent learning on the job which leads to failure after failure on the field and restart after restart. This is the reality. But , hey, at least the franchise is still there! (?). and hey, the tailgates and "gameday" experience are the best! (?).
If you're looking to win, this franchise would be better off in London or San Antonio or Vegas, someplace today's rock star, ego driven, monied NFL people actually can defend to their peers. Sucky thing to say, but hey, how many top FAs do the Bills keep after their rookie deals are up? A handful. that's it. Their agents get them the H out of town, before they become Eric Moulds and get sucked into the pit of suck and are forgotten forever.
Today's rock star, personal brand focussed NFL and its top talent has passed markets like Buffalo, Detroit and Cleveland by and left them to rot. And they are rotting. Sad, but true. Go Bills, for what its worth. Feed the Pats roster with your trainees.
I disagree completely.
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New Bills GM Doug Whaley integral in EJ Manuel pick
- By Chris Wesseling
- Around the NFL Writer
The Buffalo Bills raised plenty of eyebrows after taking EJ Manuel with the No. 16 pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, making him the first quarterback to go off the board. New general manager Doug Whaley isn't shy about taking ownership of the pick, even if he was second-in-command to Buddy Nix at the time.
"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said on NFL Network's "NFL Total Access" on Thursday. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
Whaley did allow that it was a "collaborative effort" between area scouts, cross-checkers, coach Doug Marrone and Nix, but the new front-office boss is comfortable with hanging his hat on Manuel after vetting the quarterback in the pre-draft process.
"We have a philosophy that the information makes the decision," Whaley explained. "We think that we did enough due diligence, and the information pointed us all to this point that EJ would be the guy we feel will take the Buffalo Bills into the future."
Whaley's confidence is refreshing after Nix seemed to be in over his head while running the show for three and a half years. According to NFL.com's Ian Rapoport, Whaley is a "bright young star" who has impressed colleagues with his smarts and personnel acumen in his time with the Bills and Pittsburgh Steelers.
The Bills finally seem pointed in the right direction. It now falls on Whaley's hand-picked franchise quarterback to end the longest active playoff drought in the NFL
Setting up the board does not equate to responsibility for making the pick. Again, Buddy NIx was GM of the Bills when EJ was picked, and Buddy said before he retired he was going to make sure we had a young QB to build with. Picked the worng guy, but he picked him..
Perhaps we should find out who set the board for Whaley's drafts, because they would be responsible in your scenario.
I don't think it's that people ignore it; I think they just see it as being totally irrelevant. Do you honestly believe that Whaley wouldn't have taken EJ if it was his call? His words and actions have made it clear that he wanted EJ, regardless of who had the final say. Doug even went so far as to say that if EJ didn't work out, he'd be looking for a new job. And his actions regarding EJ (trading up for Sammy, trading Cassel, possibly undermining Taylor) after he was on the roster were far more detrimental to the team than the pick itself.
would Whaley have taken him? Probably. Does it matter? No, because Nix made the call.
I simply think people should be held responsible for decision they actually make, not for ones they don't. Whaley can be rightly criticized for sticking with EJ too long.
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Im happy with any scenario that doesnt place emphasis on Doug Whaley by himself to make decisions for this team.
I have said elsewhere I'm not sure Whaley wants all the duties associated with a traditional GM. I think his passion is the scouting and assessment stuff.
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There will forever be people like you who believe it was Buddy when anyone paying attention knows it was Whaley. If you honestly believe it was Buddy it is because you weren't paying attention to the Bills when EJ was drafted.
Buddy was still the GM purposefully so he could be a scapegoat for any bad decisions made in that draft. I think they did it to make suckers out of fans who weren't paying attention.
Just hate how this has to keep being explained to people. The truth here is obvious.
P.S. There are multiple threads on this forum that dig deep into it and explain every angle on the whole thing. If you are still convinced EJ was Buddy's guy and his primary decision - go dig through those old threads. It will make more sense to you why you are wrong about it.
Buddy Nix said specifically that he wanted to make sure the Bills had a QB before he retired, and he was the GM with the authority to make the call when EJ was drafted. That is inescapable truth. Everyone ignores that statement by NIx. So you are wrong. And he was wrong to draft EJ. Maybe not wrong, because you have to take a shot, but it did not work out.
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So our first round draft pivk isnt going to make the 53? If thats the case might as well not even watch football next season if our first round draft pick that will be s group concensus wont make thd 53.
Two separate issues. When asked about the draft McD said they work together on it. Sounds like they are putting in a ton of work with scouts, etc such that there will be consensus. And if not they'll hammer it out. In several months when it comes down to setting the final roster 53, that is Whaley. No doubt their first round pick will be on it, and no doubt McD and the coaches will have input on the final 53.
What I see right now is a HC and GM that want to work together collaboratively to build a team.Is that not what we should all want? Instead people want to focus and harp on theoretical "what if" stuff.
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"If there is a spilt on the vite in the room is doug whaley going to make that call?"
WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THAT CALL TOGETHER.
Thats not controlling the 53.
The draft is not the final 53.
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but no one who "knows what the crap they are doing" is moving their family to f ing WNY to take this job for this know nothing owner. not happening. but , hey the tailgates are great, right?
$$$. Ego. Don't kid yourself.
Pats sign Gillislee to offer sheet
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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My statement is not in support or rejection of MG. Simply that having a new offense weighs into their decision. Personally I hope he stays.