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Primarily talking to players? He specifically said guys that played with him and coached him. When thinking about inking a guy to a deal that big don't you think coaches cover all their bases. I don't find it a stretch that McD would talk to Donnie Henderson and others.
I do agree that Gilmore sucks in zone. I have been calling him a liability for a long while now.
The only reasonable explanation that the Boston media has come up with for the Gilmore signing is that BB blinded himself with the anger he had for Butler and his agent.
Butler was a restricted FA and he wanted his pay day, Gilmore was unrestricted. The local guys think BB wanted to prove a point to Butler and the agent. Perhaps Billy Boy should have called up Henderson or looked at TBD to get more insight on GILLY LOCK.
Agreed. I find it refreshing to see CBs this year that actually wrap guys up with a tackle rather than dive and just throw a shoulder and hope.
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Hey smart ass get a clue, Bert Breer has connections inside OBD and when he asked about Gilmore he got some serious negative feedback about the player.
Do you think McD communicates with folks at OBD? Do you find it coincidental that the two guys looking for big contracts both have big attitudes and both were sent packing? Do you then again find it coincidental that #99 isn't really meshing with the staff??
No McD didn't coach him, all he needed to see/hear was that he wasn't a team guy and those bags were packed.
What I am saying is simple. I believe McD plays zone coverages, and that he wants guys that cover their assignments. And he wants guys that tackle and wrap up. That is clear from watching the D this year; they swarm to the ball and are good tacklers. I suspect McD knew from film etc. that Gilmore didn't fit those. So when McD arrived he had no interest in keeping him for the big money he'd get in free agency.
The article you've mentioned talked about his attitude based primarily on talking to players. I'm sure his attitude wasn't attractive to the new staff, but to me icing on the cake. To me McD just knew he didn't match what he wanted in a CB.
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Uhhhh did I mention coaches? Yeah I did.
Per Albert Breer
"The guys who are there, who have coached him, who have played with him are not surprised at all what they've seen. In fact I'll tell you what one source in Buffalo said to me about him "Loved to blame everyone else, he sucked last year"
Then Breer goes on to say others told him he packed it in last year to avoid injury etc.
Uh, had McD coached him before he left in free agency?
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If they ever moved.
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A Pats reporter already covered this. He asked players, coaches in Buffalo if they were surprised how Gilmore was performing in NE. They all said no they aren't surprise and that Gilmore has no dog in him. That's an indictment on any NFL player.
I don't see how his story is repetitious with my post. He talked to players; I was about what McD may have been thinking.
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I think Gilmore has trouble with two things, and both are valued highly by McD:'
1. Zone concepts
2. Tackling
I would bet McD recognized that, and as soon as he took over had no interest in keeping him from leaving.
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24th rated backup, yet 1st place as a starter!
In all seriousness, how can you rate someone who has never played?
Agreed. Some guys write junk just to write junk
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John McCain is a true American hero and any insults toward him that would in any way degrade his service to his country are disgusting
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And that is the type of person that the players are kneeling for. Poor guy Just was having a bad day and the pigs had to arrest him?? Just not fair
Ridiculous generalization
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Hate to see this kind of stuff. Hate to see young people just throw away their talents and their lives
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Who cares.
Worst owner ever in sports.
Stick it
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Probably because he had to stay up past his bed time.
But in all seriousness, wasn't it because of all the drinking and driving and felt they weren't conducive to fan safety?
Yes. Forget what year but some drunk crawled out in the cable that held up the net behind the goalposts. Could have killed himself. And Ralph said no moreMonday night games. Took years to change his mind.
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Let me add to that he has a short memory. That is a critical thing for a QB. Look at last year's Championship game. He starts off really slow, Bama were getting to him, hitting him, he was rushing throws... it all looked off. But he brushes every play off and just moves on to the next one. You need that.
Very good point
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Or a rookie QB who can play well.
Honestly, the number of QB's who can sneak into the playoffs with a great defense and run game is quite high.
we'll see how the season goes. Win Sunday and then get ready for Oakland. Too many folks around here think they're Nostradamus.
If I was going to put on my Nostradamus hat, though, I'd predict we draft a QB in round 1 or 2 this coming draft, Peterman is our starter next year, and Taylor is starting elsewhere.
Oldmanfan is the most reasonable poster in this thread. It is fine to say you wanted them to draft Watson and man has he played well so far better than the "he was inaccurate in college" or "he was a one read Quarterback" crowd will ever admit.
That doesn't mean you have to hate Taylor or bang on about what Watson would be doing as a Bill (because he isn't a Bill) The two things are totally unrelated.
But the repeated attempts to compare him to RGIII and Vince Young are sad. He isn't them and he never will be.
Thanks for the compliment. One main reason I liked Watson was that he showed up big in big games. I think when you get down to it some of the physical traits people look for are overblown in a QB. People make a huge deal about arm strength and being able to throw the ball downfield, but realistically how many plays like that happen per game? You have to have the arm to make the out throws, but most every guy coming out can make those or they don't even get sniffed in the draft.
To me it's intangibles that separate the great ones. I think Brady and Montana are the two best to have ever played. I wouldn't say either of them had physical characteristics better than most of the guys they played against. But they had competitiveness and rare intelligence. Watson strikes me as a kid that has that kind of competitive nature. And he seems to process things quickly. Taylor's biggest shortcoming to me is he doesn't process things quickly.
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Hey man Flacco is the exact same QB your calling for, a QB to do just enough while the D carries the team, sadly a QB has to step up from time to time something Tyrod has yet to do, when the team needs that final drive Flacco made it happen so he contributed enough but with Tyrod our D has to do it all because Tyrod fails and proves to be not good enough. Flacco who really isnt all that great of a QB just good enough to do exactly what your referring to do, be just good enough with that little extra, enough to get that win.
Flacco had a great playoff run they year they won it all. And I suspect you know that. But you continue on.
How much longer should we continue before you throw in your obligatory martyr post about how you're so tired of people saying you're biased, that you're just a fan and want the best for the team, blah, blah, blah?
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Absurd is thinking some other teams backup is good enough for a playoff run a 3rd straight season.
And I said this where? Your bias makes you look ridiculous.
My position: with the strong D and special teams, if the running game gets going it's a playoff team. With such an approach you need a QB that can manage the game effectively and not do something dumb. TT can be that. He is not a QB that puts a team on his shoulders and carries them to victory in his own.
Absurd is thinking some other teams backup is good enough for a playoff run a 3rd straight season.
This team needs a franchise worthy QB not some other teams backup while we wish the rest if the team plays 10xs harder to cover up his not good enough.
Yes. And I've said several times now I would have liked to see them draft Watson.
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Flacco isn't all that but hey he is a better QB then Tyrod. A franchise worthy QB, Yes ok but to be young and not be able to take the job after 4 years of development makes his backup job exactly what he was ment to do, I mean come on man Flacco isn't all that but yet many on here act like Tyrod is better, what has he done to merit it and why didn't he push Flacco even a little bit when he was there? They knew who he is, a backup.
How many relatively young QBs win a Super Bowl only to be replaced by his backup? You're being absurd now.
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For me it's overload. Thursday night and Sunday night games, plus I watch each Bills game on DirectTV. By the time Monday rolls around I'm done.
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I started this thread here is my adjusted thoughts on this subject. Watson is off to the best start of any rookie QB ever. He has come very close to having back to back 300 yards games in his first 2 starts. Now he had 17 TDs and is leading the NFL he might win Rookie of the year and MVP he gets about 300 years passing every time he takes the field. Don't give it's because he has better receivers. The last 2 QB's for the Texans could barely get that team to score 20 points a game with those same recievers and running backs and he also missing his best tight end who's injured. Now with Watson at the help they are averaging 34 points a game. The Bills just keep passing on QBs. We're 3-1 because of are defense not because of our offense. So let's just keep passing on QB's Like Mahomes , Watson Russell Wilson, Carr and Dak the list goes on and on. We're just so stupid to keep doing what we're doing and not drafting a QB at the 10th selection. Tyrod is a good person he works hard and is a leader and he is a decent QB but he's a Bridge QB not a franchise QB. All those QB's I'm about to list are better and we had a chance to draft everyone of them. This fantasy that now that the Bills have 2 number ones and they will be able to trade up to get there QB will not work. We will end up at around the 20th pick and the Chiefs will be 30, 31 or 32. If I'm the Jets, Browns, Jags, 49ers, Broncos, Dolphins, Chargers I'm not trading with the Bills so they can get one of the 4 Decent QB's that will be franchise QB's in next years draft. I have my doubts Darnold will come out. If I'm one of the GM's of those teams I listed I would not even take 4 Number 1 picks and trade with the Bills so I can lose out on Darnold USC, Rosen UCLA,Lamar Jackson Louisville or Baker Mayfield Oklahoma, The Bills had there chance last draft they had the 10th pick and decided to trade out and not take Mahomes or Watson. The Browns are even worse. They had the 1st and 12 pick in the draft and did not take a QB. They traded the 12th pick to the Texans and the Texans drafted Watson. The whole thing just stinks to high heaven. Thisis what happens when you try to play cute and not take care of the most important position in football. I don't care how good are CB white from LSU is. Even if he makes all pro it's not worth not drafting a QB when you have that low of draft pick. We will not be that low again for a long time. Yes this next draft will not bring us the QB we need, they will be all gone. We are just plain stupid, but nothing can top what the Browns did. Having 2 picks in the top 12 selections and you don't come away with one of those QB's. Pathetic is all I've got to say.
Are you familiar with the concept of paragraphs?
And by the way, when you bemoan not having a higher round pick because all the good QBs are gone, but then list guys like Carr and Wilson and Prescott as guys we should have gotten, all of whom were second round and beyond, it make your argument look dumb.
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Out of curiosity, do they ban a lot here at Twobillsdrive? Can't say I have ever noticed a poster getting banned
If not they should.
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I can only speak myself, but Id rather have Brett Favre than Alex Smith. It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
Obviously, Watson can regress but after 4 starts, he looks miles better as a passer than Tyrod has after 7 years.
I think both cost their teams a lot of playoff games. I think Favre won 1 Super Bowl, but peed away a lot of other chances. And Smith di as well, although I think the Chiefs D caved in a couple times.
I agree about Watson. I wanted them to draft him. We'll see how he does long term.
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Haha, where did you pull this %? I was slow to the Watson train but I was completely sold after the second time he light up Alabama in the NC. He was a big game player who seemed like a total leader. I wanted him or Mahomes.
Tyrod is ok. But he doesnt elevate teams. Mahomes and Watson might make a few more mistakes but they are willing to risk it to make plays to win games.
Nothing triumphs a franchise qb.
I always chuckle when people post about how guys might make mistakes, but that the risk is worth it. I absolutely guarantee if we had a QB that made risky throws and got picked off that the board would blow up over the QB being reckless, that we need a guy to manage games, etc., etc. etc.
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I was hoping they'd draft him. Thought he was the best of the guys coming out. But they didn't. Unlike many I don't go all crazy when the Bills make a decision I don't agree with, since they have access to a ton more data than I do as a casual fan.
We'll see how he turn out. Right now he looks really good. So does Tra'Daveous. But of course you'd rather have a QB that looks really good vs. a CB.
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He actually is a Pats fan?
Big time. Best to ignore him. He'll eventually say something really nasty and get banned.
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