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When he was put in, he did the job that was asked of him.
Like I said, he's not perfect and I was happy with what Beane did. But Dareus got !@#$ed in Buffalo, in my opinion.
He's had coaches try to coddle him and coaches that demand more of him. And for that he got a 100 million dollar contract.
How exactly is he mistreated?
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Just wait for to be fired in 3 years. Can't win in this league without talent, unless you have HOF QB.
Not just Dareus. It has been countless amounts of talent out the door since these guys have got here.
Sent Sammy out. He's a decoy in LA. Sent Gilmore out. Played terrible before he got hurt. J Willis isn't playing. Cardele sits. And we'll see with Dareus. Meantime guys like Hyde and Poyerare doing great for us.
They might just know more than you.
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Since then, he's had Rex Ryan, followed by a coach who made it clear that he hated his guts from day he got hired.
I'm not saying Dareus is perfect. But he's been dealt a pretty raw !@#$ing deal, if you ask me.
I feel for him for his personal stuff he's gone through. But under three coaching staffs he's been busted for drug use, suspended, sent home for being late, hasn't produced much on the field.
When exactly is it his problem?
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Trading Glenn would be my last straw with Beane.
Glenn is a top 10 OT in this league. His pay is not even that high (look at what guys got in FA). You don't mess with O line talent, it is such a hot commodity.
Enough of this crap with getting rid of talent because they were not picked by you.
So what are you going to do? Fire him?
Again, Dareus is a talent when? Before he signed his big deal. Since then he's not been different than most any other DT.
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You listen to Sal and the fans yesterday and they immediately jumped to Dareus not fitting in, being a bad example, too much salary, not buying into "the system" - fans calling up and talking about McDermott has changed the culture and direction. 100% support the move.
I do agree that the team works harder than under Ryan, that it's more about the team, and doing your job.
But they are 4-2, not 8-2. Basically we've seen this model of gutting talented players who make money before with McDaniels Broncos, Mangini's Browns. That's what Beane has done here. Saving numerous large contracts, at the expense of top talent. We better hope that 2018 is a Draft for the ages.
It's really early to say Beane and McDermott have turned it around when this team has paper thin depth everywhere. As the year gets deeper, the intensity picks up, injuries mount and this is where the Bills usually fade. They now have next to nothing to show for the last 7 Drafts outside of the 2017 Draft.
I think people need to get off this "top talent" stuff when talking about Dareus. Before he signed his big deal, he showed top talent play. But since? No.
The three biggest deals thus far are Sammy, Gilmore, and Dareus. Sammy is a decoy in LA, Gilmore was playing poorly in NE before he got hurt. Now we'll see about Dareus. But maybe, just maybe, McD and Beane know what they're doing.
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Let me rephrase:
You do understand getting a sack isn't the only "good play" one can make in the team's pass rush scheme? Right?
If you didn't mean to say that, I'm sorry. I can't read your mind.
EDIT: As with offensive linemen, many (most?) of the good plays defensive linemen make aren't reflected in the stats. They also go relatively unnoticed by the average fan.
Yes I get that. Sorry I wasn't more clear. But in that case was Dareus really doing anything the other arts weren't?
That was me that you responded to and I think you missed the point.
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You do realize sacks aren't the only "good plays" a DT can make. Right?
Someone above asked if he had an impact on pass rush. I answered. And also mentioned run D in the post I revised. Read what people actually post before commenting.
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I will revise my statement in that I think he had a sack against TB. But you don't pay what he was being paid for an occasional good play.
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run wise I suppose I do expect a drop off because we really dont have a run plugger like Marcel on the team at the moment.
when the raiders run on us I am sure it will get brought up a lot......but just remember....our pass rush wasnt that great against tampa and that is what you REALLY need from your DT's....they need to push the pocket and make the qb uncomfortable.
Was Marcel actually doing that for us? It is a simple yes or no question.
Pass rush? Don't think he was having much effect. Run D? Some argue he played mostly early downs, but watching games to me it seems our run D is strong regardless of the line rotation.
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Really the same? So you know that the other DTs can pick up his snaps counts and with no falloff. And what happens when one goes down
What happens if an earthquake swallows up the Ralph?
The guy underperformed, wasn't worth the big salary, and he's gone. And there are 4 other DTs there that can play. And the D especially the run D will be fine, as it was when Dareus wasn't in the field.
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One might just consider that "purging Whaley" (or purging Whaley acquisitions) is not a desirable end unto itself.
Well. Sammy isn't doing much in LA. Gilmore isn't doing much in NE. Trend might continue with Dareus.
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5-3, but a better chance of 6-2vs. 4-4
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True to a point. But other coaches got a lot more out of him. Part of that is the coach's fault. You can argue against it, but you would be wrong based on logic alone.
And I don't like the guy personally either. Glad he's gone.
But that doesn't justify a bad business decision. And that is what this is by the looks of it.
Beane likes to drive luxury cars for a couple years and then just dump them at the junkyard once he is tired of them I guess - rather than actually selling them for their market value.
Talent wise alone he starts for every team in the NFL right now except maybe one or two at the most. Can't dispute his talent level.
Talent is only talent when you want to use it. And the business decision that's bad is signing the big deal and then not living up to it.
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This is where I am at too.
Insane to get rid of that caliber of player for a 6th round pick. Bills traded a proven starter who has had Probowl years for essentially a joke. Simply not enough.
That is not how you build a team and invest in your future.
If Dareus wasn't playing up to his potential, at least part of that blame has to be on the coaches. It's not like Dareus is horrible. He would start for every single NFL team there is right now. Every single one. How in the world is that only worth a 6th round pick?
Another mistake by Beane in my opinion.
If the Bills pass rush and run defense gets worse now - expect the blame to fall where it is due - squarely on Beane.
Bull. Three different coaching regimes so far in his career and he had issues with each one. It's him. It's not coaching.
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Wrong again.
Too busy believing your own generalizations based on snap counts that don't factor in anything including him leaving on game early, missing one game, and then working his way back from injury. Keep swinging though.
One play? Your evidence is a tweet of one play? Come on. Get serious.
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How much do you think Pegula has been involved in the wild roster moves the Bills are making? Since Herschel Walker was traded to the Vikings I don't think I've seen a house cleaning like this. What do you think?
He approves them. What else do you think he'd be doing?
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So Darues is used on Run downs hmmm. So again what DT takes thise doubles on Run downs to free up the LBers. Kyle?
You just hurt two positions with this trade the NT and the 3 Tech
For what a 6th round Training Camp Body in 2018?
I said a little more. Dareus is not in every first and second down. And yet guys like Thornton and Washington and Kyle still get the job done.
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Easy question to answer take the contract out doesnt matter still paying it
Is the Bills DT rotation better with Dareus or
without Dareus?
If games he decides to show up, then worse. In games he decides not to, better.
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Have you looked at the situational snaps Dareus Faced compared the the other DTs. I bet not. That is why you have no idea what you really are talking about just using an overall percentage
I bet so. They use Dareus a little more on early downs.
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What DT is picking up Dareuss snaps.
Dont you think that Worthy and Washington are effective because they are not playing all the time and facing double teams all the time?
Dareus played about 30% of snaps. Somehow the run D survived and did well with the other DTs the other 70% of the time.
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Okay, who can effectively take on double teams to keep the LB corps clean?
They will do as they've been doing the 60-70% of snaps when Dareus was on the field. Rotate in the other DTs. And as they have done all season they will be a very good run defense.
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No they don't.
Yes they do.
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And Saint Doug will LOVE it because with Saint Doug Marcel was a two time probowler and first team all pro
And before he got paid so much and decided to become a pile of goo.
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Intelligence hmm was Dareus traded from the team before they are playing for the division lead? Or was he HELPING that team up until this week?
So now you remove a player the real only player that can stack Double teams and logged 40+ snaps last week and you think the team is better? Then you question my intelligence ha ha ha
Do you understand subtracting a negative is a net positive? That's 4th grade math.
They have other DTs that can take on blocks, and not pay a fortune to a guy that only shows up when he feels like it.
Brandon Beane already top 3 worst GM's in bills history
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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You have visions of the pre-contract Dareus in your head. It's fine to say let him play for two years. But when you can't count on his motivation to play every game, at an exorbitant cost, it's a problem.
He'll say all the right things inJville then notperform and/or get suspended. Watch.