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As I said, if you extrapolate 12 games for 3000 yds to a full 16 game season he would be over 4000 yards. Plus, the ESPN stats show that he got better toward the end of the season so if he played those first games instead of EJ, he would have been in his prime by game 6 through 16. He would have easily surpassed 4000 yards and 28 TD's which is Wall-worthy.
It seems some people on here want to reward mediocrity but scoff in the face of gamesmanship and talent. Gone are the days of rewarding success unless that success is packaged in perfect gold wrapping paper with no flaws.
One season is not Wall worthy.
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Apparently there is a movement afoot to boycott games that day, the day after Veteran's Day. My daughter and I have planned to attend; it will be her first game ever at the stadium and is the only game she can get to because of rehearsals(she's an actor/singer and it's the one weekend she has free).
Here's what we will do. We'll drive in the day before. We'll visit the site where her grandfather's ashes are kept and pay our respects to that Navy veteran. We'll get wings at Duff's and see her cousins. The next day we'll go to New Era and we'll shake the hands of veterans we see there and thank them for their service. We'll party at different tailgates. We'll stand and place our hands over our hearts when the anthem is played, and we'll respect the rights of players to kneel if they do choose even if we don't agree. Then we'll enjoy watching the Bills pound the Saints.
Will you be with me?
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So now wins aren't enough but they have to win ina specific manner...
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If you consider over 3000 yds passing in a season a joke and a winning record a joke, then we may have a failure to communicate
If you think one decent season is cause for a guy to make any kind of Wall of Fame you have a failure to understand the word fame.
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What other defenses did he fail in?
The entire defensive line fell of a cliff when Rex took over. Dareus is certainly frustrating, but to outright release the guy and take the cap hit/money hit benefits the team and the Bills in what way?
It benefits the team if he is not willing to put forth effort. I think they should get him back in the field and see what he does. He can be a real force inside. But the last game he played he had half a tackle. You can make the argument he ties up blockers and thus helps the rush defense, but there are other guys that can do that for less cost. He is being paid to be elite. Half a tackle isn't elite.
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I presume this is a joke thread
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How about if during the national anthem they carried on the field the casket of an American soldier draped with the American flag? How many would kneel or stretch then. I am so done with this. Some idiots will never understand. If I was Jim Kelly I'd never set foot in that stadium again.
Picture that and let it sink in for a minute
They would all stand and respect that individual who died. And if a player didn't I'd be ticked. But it would be his choice.
If the owners decide they want their players to stand every time then players will have to decide if protesting in this manner is worth their job. Until then they have the right to protest in this manner, and we all have the right to react how we wish. For me I understand their protest is about how blacks are treated, and that this is a most public way to bring light to that. I don't like it very much but I'm not black either.
Many players also give a lot of time and money to their communities. And the argument that they are multimillionaires and should shut up and play football is wrong. Our rights don't have price tags.
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I think last year was likely a bit lacking in any form of accountability or structure
If I were the new guy coming in for a last ditch effort with MD - I do like that McD is self accountable and has structure. I think MD needs that. But I think he also needs a guy that will constantly try to genuinely invest in him instead of the tough talk of "with us or move on without you"
What management style would you bring to marcell?
I'd bring him in, sit him down, tell him he's getting counseling to deal with whatever personal issues he has, and that we expect him to give his best on the field. And if we see him loafing or if he violates any team or league rules he'll be indefinitely suspended without pay.
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He won't be released mid season.
The thing I wonder- who here thinks this is the way you reach dareus and get him re-engaged? It doesn't seem like the right approach to me. I'm not sure how to get the guy but this doesn't feel like it.
The nice guy approach didn't work with the Ryan's. McD and the ex-Marine D line coach are trying tough love. Maybe instead of the coaching being blamed, it might be time for the player to get it?
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Most impressive part of the day
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What if they prostrated themselves (laying face down, flat...a religiously humbling position) during the national anthem?
Please, I am not trying to start a debate on this board about the politics of the abortion issue but more just a "what if"...what would you feel about that?
It's freedom of speech. It's most likely a position by those players to give a voice to the innocent.
Btw, just for the record, I am not against the current protests. I wish they wouldn't do it during the national anthem, but I do get it.
If the team owner was OK with it then it's fine. And I may agree or disagree.
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A few thoughts:
1. I don't agree with Kaepernick's thesis but fully support his right to express his opinion and his right to protest, as I respect the right for anyone to protest whether it be fellow NFL players or Jim Kelly or Shady or skin head Neo-Nazis. I don't have to agree with your view or how you do it (I don't like what Shady did) but I'd hate even more being in a society where you can't protest at all.
2. The flag to me represents not just the military but our country and its values. And the key value is the freedom and rights we have guaranteed under the Constitution. If the flag stands for anything it stands for those rights. I have read enough pro and con comments from ex-military to know there is no universal belief by the military. So I think the idea that the military is being specifically disrespected is not well informed, as has been pointed out by the players taking the action.
3. I will always stand, take my hat off, and put my hand in my chest when the anthem is played. But I'm hypocritical because I don't do that in private. And if I see a veteran I will always thank him for serving. Because his or her service lets me enjoy the freedoms I and others have. Including the freedom to stand for the anthem or not.
4. I respect having the courage to take a stand at personal cost. I think Kaepernick is way off base but he has the courage of his convictions. I applaud the courage of Villenueva not only for his service but for being the only Steeler to step out for the anthem yesterday.
5. Our rights do not come with a dollar sign; they are guaranteed by the constitution. Football players have as much right to protest as did Rosa Parks. So spare me the stuff about why millionaire football players should just shut up and play.
6. Owners need to decide what they want their employees to do. The vast majority apparently think the players should express their views through this form of peaceful protest. I'd rather the owners restrict these protests by keeping teams in the locker room during the anthem, and by making sure some of their profits are used to help their regions deal with issues being debated (and some profits are). And if owners decide they want their players to stand during the anthem since that would be a job related function, then players should comply or look for other employment. Such are the perks of ownership
6. The president? He simply does not understand our constitution and what freedoms are within, nor does he understand the role of the president. I want to see some of his proposals on infrastructure, tax policy and trade enacted. But I don't need a guy who has mistreated women, veterans, minorities, gay and lesbian individuals, and anyone he happens not to like in the moment lecturing me or anyone on values. He forfeited any credibility on values or morality years ago.
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I agree with you. All I'm saying is that his development could go the other way. James Hardy showed a lot of promise and literally collapsed under the pressure and the bright lights. Not saying that will happen, but it could.
Zay's got some work to do.
Yes, tough catch. Second one he missed, also high, was easier. Got to him quicker than he expected. The ball against Carolina, he misplayed.
Any way you look at it, you don't see many NFL receivers fail to make two tough catches in a row, let alone three. Remember that two weeks ago plenty of people said Clay should have caught that ball on the goal line because NFL receivers are expected to make those catches. Clay's miss was the same degree of difficulty as both of Zay's yesterday.
Not trying to make a big deal about it. It's just what I thought yesterday when I saw those two plays. Most everyone else on the field was performing, and Zay wasn't helping.
True. Love your take on doing your job. As you say often coaching makes a big difference in the NFL
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Here's why I'm worried: Good pass receiving hands is something that I don't think can be taught very effectively to athletes at this age. It can be taught to six year olds, and if you drill them from six to 12, they'll have good hands forever. (Same, by the way, with a baseball swing. Kid plays little league on up, by the time he gets to high school it's very difficult to change his swing.)
So here's Zay Jones. Played four years of college football, and caught a ton of passes. Played in high school no doubt. He's a developed pass receiver. A guy with great hands, like Sammy, catches that TD throw on Sunday. A guy with just good hands catches the throw that he missed over the middle a little later.
It shouldn't have anything to do with being a rookie. He's been catching all kinds of footballs his entire life, and now he fails to catch three balls in two games in the NFL.
Maybe it's just jitters, but it's easy for just jitters to turn in a phobia that he can't get over.
Or maybe he just has bad hands.
How many games like this are you going to watch before you say he's a problem? I'd say about 2 more games. If he doesn't start actually catching balls he should in the next couple of games, I'm really worries.
If you're talking about the deflection that Holmes caught it was a little high and behind him. Tough catch. Don't recall the other one. The one against the Panthers would have been a very tough one. He also made a tough one against the Jets.
He caylught I think more balls than any WR in college, or close to it. That would not have happened if his hands were an issue. So relax. And two more games won't change my mind either way.
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Shaw, don't fall into the trap if wanting instant gratification that is so prevalent today, not only with football but many walks of life. This kid Jones has played three games. No reason to worry just yet.Hope so.
I haven't given up, but I AM worrying.
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I said to my daughter as we were watching the game for the second time that we may have to start using the pass to set up the run. If TT can put a few more performances together like yesterday no one will be able to overplay the run.
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Jim has the freedom to have his opinion and to express it. So does Shady. So do we all. I think Shady should have paid attention during the anthem. I don't like that he didn't. But I won't boycott the team or league over it.
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What do I believe in? How about being thankful for the country we live in? How about being thankful for those who serve and protect including one of my sons? Do you remember the outcry and ridicule when tebow "expressed" himself?
False premise in espn? Are you insane? Not even arguable. They are losing subscribers like the titanic. Disney losing money like its 1929. Wake up. People have had it with phony controversies. Do you remember kaepernick started this as a protest over police? Do you have pig socks like him too?
What the hell do you believe in ?
Not addressed to me but I'll answer. I believe in the freedoms guaranteed by our constitution. Such as being able to voice objections to the government without being locked up. I believe the flag represents that freedom. I stand at games when the flag is raised, it bugs me when others don't but it would bug me more if their right to do so was taken away.
I also believe in capitalism. I believe one who owns a business should have the right to set policies for his business and his employees. And if Mr. Pegula makes a rule that he wants his employees to stand, then his employees should comply or lose their jobs. So when a Curt Schilling ignores directives from his employer he loses his job, and I'm fine with that and would be regardless of their political persuasion.
I also believe that the president is an elected position and that he is not a king or dictator. I believe that when a president does not understand the fundamental rights we have as citizens and lacks a fundamental or even rudimentary understanding of freedom, protest and our heritage it is a truly sad thing.
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if you don't know what would take place why are you spouting off on it?
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Because it could take away care people currently have. It is abundantly clear you do not understand the issue.
I work for a large health care organization. I take care of patients. That is our job. When legislation could threaten our ability to do that I get concerned. And that is the issue.
If the barn door gets opened and the horse runs out, it's too late to close the barn door.
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Chances are insurance companies will give sick people the benefit of the doubt, and go way out of their way to make it as cheap as possible and as easy to do because they care.
Right. People tend to forget how things were ten years ago. No coverage for pre-existing conditions. My office would fight with insurers daily to get simple things covered. It was ridiculous.
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They could set premiums so high that no one could afford them... and very quickly be out of business.
They could apply for waivers and could seek to restrict coverage, and could not be granted those waivers.
That is the issue. No one knows for sure what would take place.
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Yes good idea - let's keep shedding star players and using draft picks to replace them. Then if and when those draftees become good players, we can turn on them and replace them, too! What could go wrong?
Dareus is not performing like a star player. That's the point.
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Not the time, the cost and burden on locations. Bush vacay'd at his ranch. Trump to his properties. Obama dropped $85 million on vacations and virtually shut down Matha's Vineyard and large areas of Hawaii each tine. A perk of being pres to be sure but not great optics. $85 mil is a lot of coin.
Give me the numbers on the other presidents you mention. Or are you making things up here?
I have no problem with some taxes going to presidents taking vacations. I do have a problem with hypocrisy and thinking it's only OK for presidents you happen to like.
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