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The NFL has a committee of respected guys like Polian and Dungy that review and make suggestions in who is ready for the HC spot. McD was prominent on that list. And Beane was similarly on short lists for GM.
Spare me the wanting to change coaches and GMs all of a sudden. Spare me the crap about the Pegulas not knowing anything. They learned their lessons both with the Sabres and the Bills about hiring bombastic individuals (Murray, Ryan), and they've hired younger well respected individuals for both franchises to develop contenders on a yearly basis.
No one would have believed a 5-4 record at the beginning of the season. They have to fix the run D. They are getting physically dominated up front on both sides of the ball. Time for guys to step up and say enough.
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Not apologizing for anything. Dareus got a big contract and underperformed. And when challenged by his coaches went backward.
you honestly think he would have been the guy to play inspired football today?
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8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:
Dunno where we sign up,, but wherever it is, we should sprint there with a pack of 12 pens in case 11 are dry.
The shoulder is a concern. The contract too. But your other points aren't really legit.
One injury isn't injury-prone. He missed zero games in his first three years. His only injury is this one. They should have got him surgery immediately.
And he was out-performing the hype till this injury. As for a turnover machine, he's a bit of a gunslinger, so you take that risk, but he's also a TD machine.
Yeah, he gets huge money. He was very much worth it up till the injury.
You've got two points there, not five. Yup, he's injured but plenty of QBs have come back from that surgery and performed well. Still, it's a risk. And yeah he's got a very high salary. Excellent QBs generally end up getting one and they're still very much worth it.
I'd snap him up in a second, and I think all but about eight or ten teams that already have strong franchise guys would do the same.
Agree with going after him but to clarify he did have a lacerated kidney prior to his shoulder injury that caused him to miss a lot of one season?
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If ralph were still here, Lamar Hunt, guys like that they'd put Jerry in his place ASAP.
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Goodell has increased the bottom line and league profits. Each owner's franchise is worth more than what they paid originally, in some case a lot more. As for punishment the players gave him the power to be judge, jury, and executioner and he uses it. He has been inconsistent at times with punishment, but the only time you hear a peep from an owner is if its his player affected. The anthem thing - he is walking a thin line between jingoistic fans and players who feel they have a legitimate grievance about unequal police actions and want to voice their opinion.
Overall he has done his job. Not perfectly but he's certainly not a train wreck. And now you have an owner in Jones that is butt hurt because it's his player. An owner who preaches morality but doesn't appear to practice it at times. An owner who signs guys like Greg Hardy and Elliott and wants to preach to the rest of the league. A guy who wants to divide the league into have and have nots along with Kraft, Snyder and McNair.
Jones gets his way it starts the end of the NFL. He'll put in a puppet commissioner, there will be a strike next CBA. The average fan will have to pay either insanely high ticket prices to see the game in person or to stream coverage. Coverage will be pay per view as CBS etc. will decide to not be held hostage, especially as viewership erodes. Franchises will fold or move.
i think Mark Cuban is an overofficious jerk at times, but he's right on this one. Greed may kill the NFL. Goodell understands that. Jones personifies it.
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Depends what he asks for.
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2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:
You have to have some pieces but none of those WRs would have had the careers they had without Peyton. Luck has good enough talent around him. He isn't the once in a generation talent he was claimed to be, not even close. He struggles against good defenses and is a turnover machine. He's a good QB but he isn't fantastic. Certainly not worth giving up the farm for especially with a major injury like he has
We'll have to disagree. You underestimate the quality of guys Peyton had around him and overestimate the quality of guys around Luck.
i would simply say there is no question a healthy Luck is way better than anything coming out in the draft. I mean, if Luck were in the draft this year you wouldn't seriously take Darnold over him, right?
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4 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:
Is T.Y Hilton Marvin Harrison? No. Is Luck's offensive line as good as Peyton's was? No. However, I can say even with Marvin Harrison or Reggie Wayne who Luck actually did play with, that it really wouldn't make much of a difference for him. I can't tell you how many times I've seen Luck go against top defenses and lay an egg. I know because I've had him in fantasy football quite a few times. He struggles against good defenses and gets a ton of garbage time yards. Peyton struggled very rarely. It almost didn't matter who he played against. I won't say Luck is a bad QB or he's not that good but I will say that he is overrated because he was deemed a once in every 10 to 15 year player coming out of college but he certainly has not lived up to that hype in my mind
Because you have to have guys around you. You seem to think guys like Harrison and Wayne and James and Saturday and Dallas Clarke were made by Manning. Maybe somewhat. But as a comparison did Jimbo make Andre, or vice versa? No, they were complementary. In fact I could argue that Manning in some ways was the rate limiting step in some of the Colts years, because he simply didn't play as well in the playoffs. I get in trouble all the time here in Indy when the GOAT discussion comes up. So many here in Indy say Peyton over Brady, and to me it's another no brainer: has to be Brady without question.
But back to Luck, I think it's amazing he got teams as far in the playoffs as he did, given the rosters around him. If he's healthy, and that would have to be thoroughly examined, Beane would be nuts to not make serious inquiries.
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1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:
I didn't say Peyton had no one, I said he makes the players around him better. I find it hard to believe Harrison's career is what it is without arguably a top 3 all time QB throwing him the ball. Was he that great his first two years before Peyton got there? No. He was decent but didn't actually explode until Peyton got there.
Ok. But would you agree Luck hasn't had the same complement of guys around him, especially up front?
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12 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:
Are you seriously trying to tell me that Peyton is who he is because of Harrison and Edgerring James? Harrison is a HOF'er because of Peyton and yes James was a good RB but come on man. Peyton has made players around him better his entire career. Even in Denver he had quite possibly the greatest season a QB has ever had in 2013. Are you gonna say that it's because he had Demaryius Thomas? Look what happened to the Colts when he missed 2011 because of his neck surgery. They went to crap. Luck is overrated. Period. Trying to make an argument that is just plain stupid is idiotic
You said guys like Peyton had no one. That's crap. Brady you can make a better argument. Rodgers maybe. But Peyton had guys that were damn good here in Indy. He and the two above named guys were complementary to be sure. And yes Peyton will be a HOFer. First ballot and deservedly so, even though he gagged in the playoffs a lot. But his teams had a lot more talent (including linemen like Saturday) than Luck has ever had.
Luck is not overrated. Give him some blocking and a couple good receivers and watch out. Assuming he's healthy, to pass by having a guy like him for 10 years or so under some unknown coming out this year is an absolute no brained.
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58 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:
I don't think it has anything to do with injuries, I just think he is overrated. You can't really talk about supporting cast either. Real franchise QBs make the cast around him better like Rodgers, Brady, Peyton when he played. Luck isn't that type of player in my opinion
Peyton had Edgerrin James and a HOF WR in Harrison.
4 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:To those saying Bills should try to trade for Luck, consider what MMQB said: he missed his three prime years. So, instead of Drafting a QB who could be the franchise solution for the next 12 years or so, with his prime years left, we would trade for a damaged one, with his prime years already behind him and he may still need more medical treatment that could be a problem for NEXT season....??
Count me among the ones that say, "No thanks"....he was certainly a true franchise QB when he came out and was healthy, but now....I think I'd rather roll the dice with what Beane et. al. can do in the Draft.
Depends on what the docs would say about his shoulder. Prime years for QBs? Define it for me. Look at guys like Brady and Brees. They're lasting longer now because you're not allowed to touch them anymore. Except for Luck, who had bupkus for an offensive line thus far in Indy. Put a decent O line in front of him and he'll still be playing tn years from now.
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Living in Indy I've had the opportunity to watch Luck fairly often. The guy is the real deal. He's had no choice but to be aggressive and take chances because he's been the only guy on the offense that was worth anything most of his career (well, maybe TY Hilton). If he's healthy (and that's a big if), you would have to seriously go after him. GUys like him don't come often.
As for Irsay, well let's just say word on the street is he's very eccentric...
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Hard to pick. On the list would be:
Having Cookie put me on his shoulder at autograph day, then catching a pass from Jack Kemp
Seeing Stratton hit Keith Lincoln and being at the Rockpile for the first AFL championship
Season opener in 1974 when we beat the Raiders. Still the best Monday night game I ever saw.
Helping carry the goalpost to Ralph's box after we finally beat the Fish opening day 1980.
51-3 and going to the first Super Bowl
The Comeback Game
If I had to pick one, it would be the Stratton hit and the first championship. I was a little kid and it was an awesome day.
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Maybe not on the field. But those were the kind of games I loved coming to years ago. Had to figure out how many layers you could wear and still walk, and how many flasks you could hide between the layers. Who will ever forget Brian Cox the one time the Fish walked out of the tunnel and the snow was blowing sideways? You knew they were done before they even walked onto the field.
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I think the last game was an aberration. You don't play the way the Bills played for the first 7 games, then because they stunk one game automatically think one game is the norm and 7 games are the exception. Of course, a lot of people are saying that because it's either a defense mechanism or they secretly want their team to lose for some bizarre reason.
Looking ahead, I think the following:
New Orleans: McD will have ten days to get his team back to playing the kind of solid fundamentals (good tackling, etc.) that characterized their first 7 games. They will defend the dirt and win somewhere around 27-24. Hauschka makes the difference.
After that I don't predict. Take one game at a time.
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I wouldn't change a thing if I were the Rams. But it will probably cost Sammy some money.
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12 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:
Exactly. Goff looks underneath and usually goes there with the ball because it's open. He takes a few deep shots to Watkins but has missed on many of them. He missed one earlier in the Giants game but went back to it and hit the TD. Production is a two way street. Forcing the ball to Watkins because they traded for him would be a solution in search of a problem. The Rams are apparently fine with Watkins current role in the offense, and why wouldn't they be?
I would suspect a more even numbers distribution between Rams receivers if Sammy was as open as some think. It wouldn't be forcing him the ball if he was open that much.
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If guys are that good you don't need to tell the QB to target him or not.That said, the young Rams HC is doing a great job.
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Times I watched he was just another guy.
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19 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said:
I've rarely been wrong during my time here and have had no problems admitting so when wrong.
But still not sure why some folks have an unhealthy obsession with the Dolphins other than they are hated division rival who swept us last year. Same reason we'll be lucky to split with them this year best case.
So assuming we can win 1 game against the Dolphins still need at least 3 more for the playoffs and outside of the Colts (who are still playing decent despite their record and Brissett has been LARGE) not sure where we are getting them from.
It's not that you're rarely wrong. It's that you're usually wrong. And a troll.
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I was one who did not want Sammy traded. I'd still like to see him on the team. But come on now. You look at his production in LA and it does not shout out: Hey! This guy is elite! He made one catch yesterday. One catch. And he was open by ten yards because the Giants either blew the coverage or have given up on the HC. That does not put him in the top echelon of NFL wide receivers no mater how you try to spin it, and I suspect he'll find that out come contract time post-season. His career thus far seems to involve him being a guy who runs deep patterns every time, and he get targeted occasionally. You can argue he needs to be sued differently (screens, etc), but two different teams now have not seen fit to use him that way. In contrast, the Rams seem to want to utilize a rookie WR as their focal point.
Woods has done OK there. His TD yesterday? A one yard pass, good blocking down field, and he wasn't touched as he ran 50 some yards. Again, nice for the Rams but not a real stretch for a WR. They want to spend 8 million or so on Woods, fine. I think Jones is every bit as good going forth. -
Watkins caught one pass yesterday. Yay. Superstar.
i watched a little of the Jags game. Dareus was just kind of there. Kind of like he played here.
Woods looked pretty good though.
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If we were 8-0 a select few would say we'd finish 8-8. It's bizarre.
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He tried. All his coaches have tried. At some point it's the player and not the coach. It's on Dareus.
Every Nate Peterman throw from the Saints game
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I have had a gut feeling for a while that Peterman will start next year. This garbage time stuff aside, successful QBs process things more quickly that non-successful ones. I think Peterman processes things quickly.