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Yes, he got them involved, but they were anything but explosive throwing the football. Lots of dinking and dunking. Siemian was always waiting for guys to be open, versus throwing them open. I don't think he's done developing, but I think with the limited physical skill set, the ceiling is low, and if we're OK getting rid of an average QB in pursuit of an elite one, what's the point in developing a guy who might cap at average?

Siemian played with the best WR duo in the league and they had their worst combined totals in years. DT and Sanders can both go deep and burn corners. Siemian really was quite poor at throwing anything 15+ yards down the field.

Many, many coaches feel the scheme, when executed properly, is more important than the talent. Coaches may be realists that have an average player is "good enough" at certain positions. Very few front offices have the balls to get rid of an average QB in an effort to get an elite one, so I do give the Bills some credit for at least considering "going big or going home". I think the Seattle route (lots of elite players, simple scheme) is still the best way to go.

With an excellent offensive line, top tier running game and top 5 in sacks 3 of the past 4 years, I hope we're closer to 11-5+

Meet the new boss. Same as the new boss. Man, Brandon sure knows how to stick around.

They are just doing their due diligence. Standard combine stuff. I like Watson more than Mitch & Kizer, I'd be fine with him at 10!

Sure, would love to! Once free agency, pro days and the rumor mills settle down, I love talking draft, but there's so smoke and mirrors right now that it's tough to decipher. I won't pretend to know what's going on right now.

LOL - all with excellent grammar. I will NOT miss the never ending draft talk. I get it, the draft is cool, I enjoy it, but folks get so wound up trying to predict something is not predictable outside the first 5 picks. Yeah, i'll pay attention to Mayock's final big board a week before the draft and make a mock draft (1st round only), but talking about some small school steal in the 5th round as an immediate contributor, mock drafts into the 7th round, trying to make a big board, the never ending rumor mill, what a joke. So many clowns who think "watching tape" is watching a 4 minute Youtube clip set to Puddle of Mudd or a Wiz Khalifa mixtape and trying to play wannabe scout. That's not how it works.

So interesting how we all see things different. I watched most of the games as well and didn't see anything impressive. Too many extended slumps, some across multiple games, to get excited. The physical tools just aren't there either.

Oi vey - just wait another week and we can have some resolution on this hot topic.

McCoy and Fox did a great job tailoring the offense to Tebow's ability when Orton crapped the bed. Tebow was a Mcdaniels pick. Elway realized early on it wasn't sustainable, cut him loose and brought in Manning. I think Elway's track record as a front office manager is pretty undeniable, he clearly is a top tier GM. The local sports radio stations still do talk about Tebow from time to time, pretty funny.

I think that's feasible. Tyrod is a slightly below average QB. Why spend the time developing a young player who has a similar ceiling? Broncos want Paxton Lynch to rise up and take the job. They don't see Siemian as the solution, why should we?

I guess I'll start contributing to the offseason rabble and not just "I Miss my BBMB" ranting. Siemian did some positive things in Denver, I watched most of the games, but I think the ceiling is really low. He's not a big guy, noodle arm, not very athletic, spotty accuracy, not great at reads. Yeah, he could continue to develop, but I just don't you've got an All Pro in the works . Kubiak was always great at getting the best out of QBs, and Siemian is no exception. He did not have the running game or offensive line support that would aid a young QB, but he did have a defense that bailed out the offense numerous times and the best wide receiver duo in the league to throw to and didn't exactly torch any secondaries late in the season.

Sign me up - I'm in! Thanks for your generosity.

Denver & Jelly both got banned. I got Jelly's number still, should see what he's up to. B Large didn't post there much after he moved to Maine to become a lumberjack or something.

I want some old names to come around. Jim Starks, Bruce Nolan, Sechristbmw, where you at???

Scott - thanks for the great summary of the site. I do hope I can add good quality football discussion to the board! T.E.C.

Stoked! Don't see too many headcases yet. Then again, if you're a Bills fan, you've got to be a bit of a headcase. Lots of quality getting added to 2BB.

I could care less about losing my post history. It's not like I had a reputation, but it's just weird that the whole thing just went "POOF". Everything - gone. I did meet a few dudes on there. Had a beer with DenverBill. Had several beers with B-Large. Climbed a mountain with JellyDonut. All solid guys. My experience was slightly different, but it was disappointing that for as active and spirited as the BBMB was, the community side of it was very, very lacking. PLEASE tell me this place doesn't think Chad Kelly is the next messiah. I don't want to see those posts every day.

Always been TheElectricCompany. Used BBMB for 10 years, started in Buffalo, then Rochester and have lived in Denver area for 5+ years. I couldn't drive a car when the Bills last made the playoffs. I fear death wings, but love hot wings. Fitz was a GUNSLINGER, Trent was Captain Checkdown, gimme Fitz all day. No - true - Ralph is the man! I'm seeing some familiar names here, some unfamiliar, it's all good. I look forward to agreeing and disagreeing with each of you