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  1. 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    This. Though I don't love ESB to be honest. I'd rather point out that they took Ray Ray and Austin Proehl over Robert Foster and risked losing him in the lottery of UDFA. That looks pretty dumb at this point. 

     

    6th rounders, 7th rounders, and UDFAs are practically interchangeable. Trying to predict which of those late round players will be successful is impossible.

     

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2015/05/22/tracking-nfl-draft-efficiency-how-contingent-is-success-to-draft-position/#cd4cc8b7495b

     

    If you find one decent starter from your pool of 6th rounders, 7th rounders, and UDFAs you're doing well. The Bills found 2 last year.

  2. 44 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

     

    Who the friggin hell is ESB? :huh:

     

    Equanimeous St. Brown, a receiver who was drafted by Green Bay in the 6th round and ended the season with less receiving yards than UDFA Robert Foster. Don't worry if you haven't heard of him. A few people were obsessed with him before the draft and haven't let it go. He had 328 yards with Rodgers throwing him the ball. We didn't miss out on anything.

  3. 1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

    I'd like to double down on the sentiment that pass rush is likely a much greater priority than fans would think.

     

    I'm sure the Bills agree. A couple inside sources on this board that I trust said they tried to trade for Mack. Obviously the asking price ended up too high but that leads me to believe they are trying to improve the pass rush. That is the priority on defense.

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  4. 42 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

    I see the Redskins as potentially the most likely trade partner.  If the Raiders want a QB, the sensible thing to do is just pick him at #4, unless Jags / Giants move in front of them.

     

    The rumor today was the Redskins have begun talking to teams about moving in front of Denver to get a QB.  Moving to 15, with Haskins / Murray / Lock / Jones all off the board by the time we hit the clock would be best case scenario IMO.

     

    Yep this would be my target as well. Even better if they are competing with Denver. We could probably get a 2nd in this trade if we give back one of our 4ths. High 2nd round has a lot of value in this draft IMO.

  5. 12 hours ago, vincec said:

    And the Bills run defense wasn’t really that good last season so I don’t really get what they’re saying.

     

    The run defense wasn't elite but it improved significantly from 2017. In 2017 our run defense was 23rd in YPA, 29th in YPG, and 30th in DVOA. This year we were 9th in YPA, 16th in YPG, and 14th in DVOA. We basically went from bottom of the league to slightly above average. That's a huge improvement considering we had a rookie MLB who struggled with his gaps. The only other major change we made on defense was Star. That jump is more than worth a $10 million average salary. His salary will be covered by the annual cap increase. $10 million really isn't that much anymore.

  6. 5 minutes ago, nucci said:

    that point chart means nothing. just numbers someone made up

     

    It's probably a good baseline but it changes year to year. This year there are no consensus top 10 QBs so we wouldn't get more than #24 and #27 in this scenario. I personally would do it without hesitation but I don't know who the Raiders would trade up for. If anything they would do it for a defensive player over a QB. They have the draft capital to afford a move like that.

  7. 3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

    That’s kinda the point.  Guys like Allen don’t get drafted that high and if they do, they were dominant.

     

    No the point is that he was drafted in the 1st round regardless, because he was a 1st round talent. Sure he has a ways to go to prove himself a franchise QB. But if the draft was re-done today no question he would still go in the 1st round. As pessimistic as you've been even you see that, right? His production in college is meaningless. He has shown that he was drafted exactly when he should have been.

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  8. 13 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

    When was the last top 10 qb who was a 56% passer from a sub power 5 conference?  

     

    Mahomes is the only QB from the Big 12 to ever win an NFL playoff game. He is also the only air raid QB to make it in the NFL at all. I used that argument against him last year and I was wrong. It is very unlikely that any given college QB will be successful. Relying on one metric to judge who will succeed or not isn't going to work regardless of the history. I would argue that only the last 5 years of data is meaningful anyways. College football has changed a lot in recent years and so has the NFL. 56% passers from sub power 5 conferences are not normally drafted in the 1st round. You're operating off of a nonexistent sample size.

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  9. 2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

    The point is are you good enough for the NFL, and is you OVERALL package really good.   Put another way, you can grade all kinds of QB skillsets - accuracy, ball handling, pre-snap recognition, pocket presence, scrambling - all kinds of stuff.  Every successful QB is better in some categories than in others, but the fact that they are weaker in some category doesn't mean they're bad quarterbacks.  Brady is a pretty bad scrambler, but no one is saying he can't play QB in the NFL.   What IS necessary, as you say, is that you have to meet the minimum in every category.   Beyond that, you need to be really good in enough categories so that the total package is really good, even if one category is weak

     

    This is an excellent point. I was thinking about this exact point last week. Some thread was discussing how you define a franchise QB. For me I would separate a QB's skill set into 5 areas:

     

    Arm strength

    Mobility

    Pocket presence/movement

    Accuracy

    Reading the field

     

    I think a franchise QB should be top 5 in one of those categories, top 10 in another, and bottom 10 in no more than 1. Elite QBs will be top 5 in 3 of those categories.

     

    Right now Allen is already top 5 in arm strength and mobility. I would say right now he is bottom 10 accuracy and reading the field, and about average pocket movement. In other words he isn't quite a franchise QB and he's closer than you'd think to being elite. I don't expect him to ever be top 5 in accuracy or pocket movement. But if he can be top 5 in reading the field he will be elite.

  10. 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

    49% in junior college, 56% in college, and 52% in the nfl.  When does the lack of accuracy ever become Allen’s fault?

     

    Completion percentage still doesn't equal accuracy. And that doesn't mean Allen is blameless. If he doesn't take an easy checkdown or he misreads the field, his completion percentage will suffer for reasons that have nothing to do with accuracy but are nevertheless his fault. The point of the OP isn't that Allen is a perfect QB, it's that his accuracy concerns are overblown.

    I stick by what I've said - Allen will never improve his accuracy significantly from where it is now, but it is already good enough. What he needs to improve is his ability to read the field and make quick throws. He was less accurate than usual in the final game but he had over a 65% completion anyways because he made good reads and his receivers didn't drop the ball. He had one of his most accurate games against Detroit but finished around 50% completion. It isn't as simple as that.

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  11. 31 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

    I wonder who they will play at QB? You got to figure they are going all in for this tank year but probably want to be careful about being to obvious. They will need a guy that they won’t win with but won’t give away their tank intention. They still have tickets to sell. Blake Bortles maybe?

     

    Tyrod Taylor would make sense. He's gotten worse every year and even at his best he couldn't produce wins for that talentless team.

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