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Will look into him more.

You do know we don't run a cover 2 right? We run majority cover 3 and 4 in coverage. You probably don't though seeing I have seen you cite this falsehood a couple different places now

I think they want to set it up like we did here, hire the HC and bring the GM in after that he could work with. This is slightly concerning because if it is Daboll I would fully expect him to Raid our FO staff. Which could mean one of these could be gone Joe Schoen (Ouch) Malik Boyd Dan Morgan (ouch) Brian Gaine (again)

Did he "give" them up, or was he credited them after a 2018 UDFA In Kyle Allen or a 2019 3rd round Rookie Will Grier get confused and hold a ball too long. Without watching the Panthers games and looking at each sack to see how long the QB held the ball, just citing sack numbers is meaningless

What's Funny is Browns fans that are actually hating on the Daboll chance site the Offenses he has had, specially with them and how the players hated him. But love McDaniels with no second thought of his Denver HC Stint. Fact is Daboll was OC for them 10 years ago. He also is very respected by players here (maybe he learned how to treat players in 10 years) Also he would be a 1st time HC similar to McD, one would easily assume he would do what McD did as well, hire experienced OCs and DCs They are not hiring him to be OC they would be hiring him to be HC and Change Culture, out of all the candidates he would be leaving an Organization and HC that did JUST that here, you would think he picked up some pointers. They are very shot sighted over there in Cleveland

Yep like it always has been. DePodesta - Stefanski Haslam's - McDaniels

***Disclaimer*** I will not put all Names not on the Bills in this thread as it would get to long, I will keep it to a couple names in each tier (as I see them). wit this I am wrapping up Offense and Special Teams and I will be on to the Defense starting next week. Hope you enjoy the read. ***NOTE*** Please do not turn this into an AJ Green Thread. Past Writeups Quarterback Running Backs Tight Ends Offensive Line Specialists Currently on Roster: (Positional Spending 6 players 19.372M Cap (ranked 15th in league) John Brown (UFA 2022) – Saves 6.518M against cap if Cut Cole Beasley (UFA 2023) – Saves 2.568M against cap if Cut Andre Roberts (UFA 2021) – Saves 1.5M against cap if Cut Duke Williams (EFRA 2021) – Saves 585K against cap if Cut Nick Easley (signed futures deal) - Ray-Ray McCloud (signed futures deal) Expiring Contracts: Isaiah McKenzie (25 yrs old) (RFA) (600K AVV) Robert Foster (26 yrs old) (EFRA) (525K AVV) My Take: First, I will address the expiring contracts. They really are not expiring contracts because McKenzie will get the Original Tender and be back, I don’t think Bills need to go anything higher than the original tender to keep him. Foster will get his EFRA tender and be back. These are both players that need to be replaced but will be back just because of their contract status of both being very cheap to bring back. I will never really understand what happened with Foster this year, compared to last year, it looked like he was poised to break out and be a NO1 WR, he never did, he has had motivation issues in the past did that catch back up with him? But the reality is Duke Williams brings more to this offense and the numbers show that out as well. Isaiah McKenzie– 39 TGTs, 254 yards 1 TD, Catch Rate 69% and a DVOA -20.8%, Robert Foster– 18 TGTs, 64 yards, 0 TDs, Catch Rate 17% 2 DPI Drawn 58 yards and a DVOA -42.0% Duke Williams – 19 TGTs, 166 yards, 1 TD, Catch Rate 63% and a DVOA +2.8% Now to the other WRs (not Roberts he is a Return Man not a WR). Brown and Beasley. Both have been great additions as well but looking at the dead money on these guys knowing they were JUST SIGNED I have to tip my hat to Beane. And thing point I am going to bold here but you can look at all the UFAs Beane as signed in my other position groups they are all essentially on year deals with easy outs. This is amazing cap management and solidifies to me that they can go get WHOEVER they want and not hurt their cap long term because he has shown a capability to craft cap friendly early outs. So not back on task. John Brown – 115 TGTs, 1060 yards, 6 TDs, Catch Rate 63%, 4 Drops (T19th in NFL) and a DVOA +11.1% (Ranks 22nd in NFL) Cole Beasley – 105 TGTs, 778 yards, 6 TDs, Catch Rate 64%, 5 Drops (T10th in NFL), drew 1 DPI for 26 yards and a DVOA of +2.5 (Ranks 39th in NFL) I probably am going to get fragged for this, but John Brown is an excellent WR2 not a WR1. But that being said, I do like John Brown at a top end WR1B or WR2. I think the worst play from him that I saw was the failed toe tap in the WC game, I know he logged 4 drops, but I don’t remember one really hurting a drive IE Big spot like I can with Knox’s and Beasley drops. But either way another thing I do like that Brown gave is that 73.6% of his catches resulted in a first down. Which ranks him in 8th in the NFL with WRs and TEs with over 50 catches. What I knew about him coming into Buffalo was he was blazing fast and that was confirmed, what I didn’t know and what he opened my eyes up to is how complete of a WR he is. His route running is exceptional as well he always seemed to me that he was open, he easily would find holes in Zones, and in Man coverage he was always gaining separation out of his breaks as well. This was a good signing from Buffalo and see why they also tried to sign him last year. Beasley also had a respectable 1st down conversion of 55.2% of his catches resulting in First down. What I noticed about him, is he is better against man than he is against a zone. I think the reason that is the way he runs routes and the crispness off then he gets immediate separation out of breaks. Against a zone it is more of a feel to find the soft-spot or the seam in the zone. My Cowboy friends told me that if he gets bracketed it can take him out of games, and I think that was seen as well. Get another legit threat at WR or TE and it becomes much harder to do that too him. The organizational depth in this group is atrocious. There are really only 2 NFL caliber WRs on this roster and needs infusion of talent. So, I can see another offseason like last with going into the position multiple times, maybe a couple lower tier WRs via UFA and using a 1st or 2nd in the draft, or even a couple of draft picks. How this position group gets addressed this offseason will be interesting. Possible Trade TGTs (hard to gauge until after SB): OBJ – really is the only one I have heard so far as possibly being available this offseason. UFAs Possible Tier 1 AJ Green Amari Cooper Larry Fitzgerald Emmanuel Sanders Robbie Anderson (I wont downgrade him because of his off-field stuff) Tier 2 Randall Cobb Zach Pascal (EFRA) - meaning he 99.99999999999999999% is staying in Indy Nelson Agholor Breshad Perriman Demarcus Robinson Philip Dorsett Draft (adding size here because I know people want to know that when talking WR) Tier 1 (1st and 2nd round grades) Outside: Jerry Jeudy (6’1, 192) (Alabama) CeeDee Lamb (6’2 189) (Oklahoma) Tee Higgins (6’4 200) (Clemson) Laviska Shenault Jr. (6’2 220) (Colorado) Henry Ruggs III (6’0 183) (Alabama) Tyler Johnson (6’2 200) (Minnesota) Justin Jefferson (6’2 185) (LSU) Michael Pittman Jr. (6’4 223) (USC) Slot: Jalen Reagor (5’11 195) (TCU) KJ Hamler (5’9 174) (Penn ST) Aaron Fuller (5’11 186) (Washington) Tier 2 (3rd-5th round) Outside: Collin Johnson (6’6 220) (Texas) Brandon Aiyuk (6’0 208) (Az ST) Donovan People-Jones (6’2 208) (Michigan) Slot: None Tier 3 (6th – Priority UFA) Outside: John Hightower (6’2 184) (Boise State) KJ Hill (6’0 195) (Ohio St) Antonio Gandy-Golden (6’4 216) (Liberty) Chase Claypool (6’4 227) (ND) Gabriel Davis (6’3 212) (UCF) Denzel Mims (6’3 197) (Baylor) Quinten Cephus (6’1 207) (Wisconsin) Isaiah Hodgins (6’4 209) (Oregon State) Bryan Edwards (6’3 215) (South Carolina) Slot: Devin Duvernay (5’11 186) (Texas) James Poche (5’11 190) (SMU) Final thinking in this Position group for me would be: This position group needs work with right now only two legit NFL receivers on the roster. Before I start with what I would do let me address what this would turn into. AJ Green if I can get him to accept a Prove it Deal a 1-year 12M with little GTD I would. Or I would also offer about what his value will be (with INJ and age) 2-year 19M with 9M GTD, 9.5M AVV. But I don’t think he would accept that. Now what I would like Bills to look at. Go after a Tier 2 WR in UFA. My Choice will be Breshard Perriman I don’t think Tampa is in a position to sign him. And I think a Cole Beasley Contract is acceptable and will get it done 4 years 29M, 12 GTD with a 7.25M AVV and an easy out after the first year. That will give you the same Deep speed as Foster and allows for the Rookie not to have to come right in and excel. He really came on late in the year with Tampa. That give me at last 3 real NFL WRs on the roster before the draft. In the draft I would take 2. One early and one late. My Early target right now is Laviska Shenault. Reason why is he has the skill set right now we are filling with players. Big and Powerful (Duke Williams). Plenty of Speed (will time in 4.4s or lower, Robert Foster) and can run jet sweeps, out of backfield, QB the WC similar to McKenzie). He also has a good catch radius and can high point balls. In Later round get be the Big TGT for competition with Duke Williams so like a Hodgins, Claypool, Mims. This is the position group I would like addressed in the first round. You Can see in round 3-5 the depth thins out in the outside WR group, so a lot of those Tier 3 guys are going to be over drafted. Yes it is a deep draft like everyone is saying but that depth I fully anticipate will get gone fast, and if we wait until the second round (where we are picking we are going to miss out)

Well Hauschka being 1/5 from 50 plus probably aided greatly in that evolution

He isn’t a very good DC. That is why Panther fans are happy. He is a hell of a DL coach though.

Their Message Board https://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards/topic/161854-eric-washington-hired-by-bills-to-be-dl-coach/ "Good for him. He’s a excellent DL coach but nowhere close to qualified as a DC. Why Rivera couldn’t figure this out is beyond anyone with good eyes. I actually think RR is more to blame for his failures as a DC." "great hire. There is a very real thing in life called over promoting someone. Means you can have a GREAT employee. Fantastic. You can then overpromote them.....into a position they don't excel at. That doesn't mean the person wasn't great and won't be again in the right job. Washington is a great DL coach. The fact we put him into a job he didn't do well doesn't change that." Seems the Theme.... Hell of a DL coach, not a DC

He is only going to get ONE more shot at HC in the NFL. He has to be very smart where he picks

Add Daboll to that. DePodesta - Stefanski and Daboll Haslams - McDaniels

Stefanski or Daboll will be the pick if they listen to DePodesta It will be McDaniels if Jimmy and Dee over-rule DePodesta again

Tells me the Carolina Pipeline is still alive and well, So I can see all Carolina UFAs getting looks.

Blah PFF. I have had enough of their Grades. Cody Ford has a similar grade from PFF and then there are the numbers Carolina Runs over RT 4.41 ypc ranked 14th in the NFL Bills runs over RT 2.95 ypc ranked 29th in the NFL

Was McD DL coach in Carolina, so knows how to teach the scheme.

Likely a Nate Soldier type AVV of 15.5M a year

I think he likely gets re-signed before camp breaks.

Like this hire, now Daryl Williams coms right back on the Radar as an UFA OL signing

Will do. Going to really start digging into the draft in a week or so. Having a good team really messed up my offseason timing stuff, I haven't even thought about the draft past my initial gradings. Not hating having a good team to make me do that but that is another reason I decided to do these things, so I can get other Ideas on who to look at.

Sorry was going to have this out yesterday but wifey had a long honey do list. Happy wife happy life. ***Disclaimer*** I will not put all Names not on the Bills in this thread as it would get to long, I will keep it to a couple names in each tier (as I see them). Will wrap of on offense with WR later today or maybe tomorrow and then on to the Defense next week. If you have a position group you want me to start with on Defense let me know. Hope you enjoy the read. Past Writeups Quarterback Running Backs Tight Ends Specialists Currently on Roster: (Positional Spending 9 players 28.981M Cap (ranked 23rd in league) Mitch Morse (UFA 2023) – Saves 1.375M against cap if Cut Ty Nsekhe (UFA 2021) – Saves 3.7M against cap if Cut Jon Feliciano (UFA 2021) – Saves 3M against cap if Cut Dion Dawkins (UFA 2021) – Saves 1.072M against cap if Cut Cody Ford (UFA 2023) Ike Boettger (RFA 2021) – Saves 660K against cap if Cut Ryan Bates (RFA 2022) – Saves 585K against cap if Cut Victor Salako (signed futures deal) Expiring Contracts LaAdrian Waddle (29 yrs old) (2.0M AVV) Quinton Spain (29 yrs old) (2.050M AVV) Spencer Long (Club Option 2021) (UFA 2022) – Saves 3.425M against cap if Club Option denied. (technically he will be here as he is not on Contract until the Bills decide on the Club Option.) Also a trade option out before and after picking up the club option. My Take: Numbers from the group as a Hole: Pass Protection Ranked 23rd with 40 sacks and a 7.8% Adjusted Sack Rate Adjusted Run yards ranked 16th Power Success Rate - 58% ranked 25th Stuffed Rate - 22% ranked 28th To break it down a little further running stats per location: Left Outside - 3.67 YPA - NFL AVG 4.09 ypa (21st Rank) (4% of the carries, NFL AVG 11%) - WR Blocking and TE blocking on this side was not good Left Tackle - 5.48 YPA - NFL AVG 4.25 ypa (10th Rank) (13% of the carries, NFL AVG 12%) Middle (over the OGs) - 4.37 YPA - 4.54 YPA NFL AVG (12th Rank) (64% of carries, NFL AVG 56%) Right Tackle 2.95 YPA - NFL AVG 4.20 ypa (29th Ranked) (14% of carries, NFL AVG 12%) - MAJOR ISSUS WITH RT run blocking Right Outside 6.13 YPA - NFL AVG 4.40 ypa (1st Rank) (4% of carries, NFL AVG 9%) - WR Blocking and TE blocking on this side was great First, I will address the expiring contracts. I think the club option on Long is the thing I am going to be watching for a couple reasons. 1. I think Feliciano has not only taken the OG from him but really seems like he has solidified the BU C spot as well. When Morse went down Feliciano is the one that took that Center Spot and Long came in at the OG spot if I remember correctly. What the Bills do with this option is going to foreshadow what they are thinking with Ford IMO. Pick the option up the plan is for Ford to stay out at RT. Decline the Option and I think that means Ford kicks inside. However, It also could all hinge on the OTHER expiring contract as well, Spain. If Spain gets re-signed option could be declined, if Spain hits the market the option will be picked up IMO. With all that, I am fine with the Bills decision either way on this club option. Now let’s get to Spain, he played 99% of the snaps, and did not allow a sack (impressive when you look at the defenses that we played). To be honest I could also say was the most impactful of the offseason signings last year. He was also very solid in run game and very powerful. The Other thing that came out recently is Spain helped during the games setting protection with Morse. Those two are on the same Page, and Dawkins got back to form like he did when he had another top on LG playing next to him in Incognito. I know Allen is pretty much automatic on Sneaks however ask Houston they are not give me plays you must be Powerful at OG to run them. Center holds ground and OGs get push and those seams open. Out of all the Bills UFAs this year I think Spain is my critical re-sign, however he is not going to come cheap. Rodger Saffold and Billy Turner last year are going to be my Comparable. So, I could see something like a 4-year 42M with 20gtd (10.5 AVV) will be what it will cost to re-sign him. Now he won’t be the best OG on the market (that belongs to Scherff) so that helps as well. The biggest hole IMO on this line is at RT. I know Ford is a Rookie I get that, but I also know I he didn’t answer my question of is he a RT or is he a OG. I know that OL are taking longer and longer to develop in the NFL as well, so I really don’t want to address the position if I can avoid it in the Draft and be in the same spot we are with Ford right now. The window is open So I would like to buy a RT to make sure that position is fixed with Nsehke (who at this point SHOULD be a Swing OT), Ford and UFA. If the RT can get better, I think we are on the way to having a top end line, I am not concerned at all with LT, LG (if Spain re-signed) Center or RG. But as I said earlier, the Spain Contract will point to me where they are going with the OL. They Could Easily let Spain walk, move Feliciano to LG, Ford to RG and buy an UFA for RT. Right now, I think we have a top 15 OL easily, and could be a top 10 or higher by addressing the RT spot. Of the lower guys (Boettger, Bates, Salako) the only one that has shown me enough to really be thought about in 2020 is Bates. Beane and McD did a good job making the OL respectable last off- season, now I think they take respectable and turn it into top end this offseason. My mindset this off-season would be Re-sign Spain, Upgrade RT and then draft into the position group with some late round depth, and UDFA developmental guys. Possible Trade: (based on Deadline rumors) Trent Williams UFAs Possible Tier 1 Brandon Schreff (OG) Quinton Spain (OG) Joe Thurney (OG) Rob Leary (OG) (Club Option) Jack Conklin (RT) Daryl Williams (RT) Tier 2 Andrus Peat (OG) Joe Haeg (OG) Xavier Su’a-Filo (OG) Brian Bulaga (RT) Marcus Gilbert (RT) Germain Ifedi (RT) Draft Tier 1 (1st and 2nd round grades) Austin Jackson (OT) (USC) Andrew Thomas (OT) (Georgia) Tristan Wirfs (OT) (Iowa) Jedrick Wills (OT) (Alabama) Trey Adams (OT) (Washington) Prince Tega Wanogho (OT) (Auburn) Isaiah Wilson (OT) (Georgia) Josh Jones (OT) (Houston) Tier 2 (3rd-5th round) Logan Stenberg (OG) (Kentucky) Hakeem Adeniji (OG) (Kansas) – Also a Tier OT Prospect Netane Muti (OG) (Fresno St) Mekhi Becton (OT) (Louisville) Lucas Niang (OT) (TCU) Clavin Throckmorton (OT) (Oregon) Tier 3 (6th – Priority UFA) Deonte Brown (OG) (Alabama) Kevin Jarvis (OG) (Michigan State) Jonah Jackson (OG) (Ohio State) John Simpson (OG) (Clemson) Ben Cleveland (OG) (Georgia) Damien Lewis (OG) (LSU) Micheal Onwenu (OG) (Michigan) John Molchon (OG) (Boise State) Simon Stepaniak (OG) (Indiana) Yasir Durant (OT) (Missouri) Terence Steele (OT) (Texas Tech) Saahdiq Charles (OT) LSU Ezra Cleveland (OT) (Boise ST) Robert Hunt (OT) (Louisiana-Lafayette) Ben Bartch (OT) (St. Johns) Matt Peart (OT) (UCONN) Final thinking in this Position group for me would be: I would like to really turn this OL into a top group, so I am going to spend some money in this position again this UFA Period. In-line with Paying our own and keeping this team together I start with Spain and a 4-year 42M, 20GTD, 10.5 AVV (an out after year two of this contract). I then cross my fingers through the tag season and go sign Jack Conklin 6-year 91M, 50M GTD, 15.1 AVV (an out after year 4). Another UFA Option that would be an Upgrade and Cheaper at RT is Daryl Williams. I let Waddle walk and if I cannot trade him before the option is due, I do not pick up Spencer Longs Club Option (won’t need to after re-signing Spain). By Doing that that puts this OL group looking like this going into the draft where I could use some of my late round picks (2 - 5ths and 3 – 6ths) to grab some more organizational depth, and development LT – Dawkins LG – Spain C – Morse RG – Feliciano RT – Conklin Depth: Nsehke Ford Bates Boettger Salako The organizational depth here is pretty solid, especially after re-signing Spain. I then can focus on adding talent and turning it into an OL that will be talked about as one of the Best. I don’t want to suffer with another Rookie RT, So I fix this position in UFA, and then put this team into a position to start getting later round talents and developing which will leave options a couple years down the road when players are aged as well as looking for new contracts.

I would like Drake and the reason I think I would break my budget a bit on him in terms of signing is he also returns kicks. So you have your BU RB and possibly can replace Roberts as well.

down here Howard is the one ALWAYS talked about for trades. I guess everyone with power in Tampa love a Brate that is why I left him off. But I agree either one would be nice for us.

I will say according to a majority of WGR callers we need to get a starting QB.

Young and Espensa