jrober38

Yup. That would be great. He also might not improve. Might as well hedge our bets if we get the opportunity to draft another good QB.

Sure, but the QB is the most important player on the offense and our offense is the worst in the league. The offense needs better players at a variety of positions for sure, but I don't think it's any surprise that we're last in pass yards, last in scoring and last in QB Rating.

WR can be upgraded in free agency.

I'm sorry but I didn't see it. He was 10 of 17 for 84 yards and put 6 points on the board through almost 3 quarters of play. He also got sacked twice for a loss of 16 yards. This is inept offensive production. We just can't pass the football like 90% of the teams in the NFL. I wasn't expecting a star QB off the get go, but this is the worst offense I've ever witnessed in my life as a Bills fan.

They need to keep adding talent at the QB position. Allen might get better, but they can't assume that's a given. I'd probably draft someone and let them compete with Allen for the starting gig.

Yes. We have the worst starting QB in the league. This team is going nowhere unless that changes.

How? Allen threw the 39 yarder to Benjamin, the 22 yarder to McCoy, he attempted a deep in to Jones, and he threw the deep ball out of bounds to Benjamin. Unless I'm forgetting something, I'm pretty sure everything else was within about 5 yards of the LOS.

He completed 11 passes for 84 yards. 2 of those completions contributed 61 yards to that total. How do you average 2.5 yards per completion on the remaining 9 throws and not throw the ball at or behind the LOS?

I wasn't knowledgeable about one QB, who would still be better than any QB we've had in 15 years. He also threw a deep ball to Benjamin that landed 3-4 yards out of bounds. The rest of his throws were pretty much all within a few yards of the line of scrimmage.

Sure, but that wouldn't have stopped us from having a guy with upside on the bench. Going into this season with just Allen and Peterman on the roster has been a colossal disaster. Neither guy should have been on the field without an injury forcing them there.

Sounds completely insane but if you say I did then okay. Jameis Winston would represent a massive upgrade over the garbage we have at QB right now. I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

We need better QB play. Plain and simple. You can't expect to win in the NFL when your starting QB is 32nd in QB Rating, 32nd in team pass yards, 20th in rushing and 32nd in points scored.

Winston was the best QB in his draft class. I liked him as a prospect but how were we ever trading up for him? We didn't even have a 1st round pick. I don't even know what that would have looked like. He also threw for 395 yards and 4 TDs today. Our offense has passed for 378 yards.......... OVER THE PAST 3 GAMES!

More on target throws than off? Is getting to the 50% mark the new level of success? As I said earlier, the bar for QB play on this board is so unbelievably low it's crazy. Over half of Allen's throws were within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. I'd hope at least half of them got to their intended target.

Our defense is a lot better than Houston's. We're 3rd in total yards, 6th against the pass, 7th against the run, and 3rd in the NFL in sacks. What he hell are you talking about? LMAO

Like the deep ball he threw to Benjamin that landed 4 yards out of bounds. Allen has a QB Rating of 60, is practically dead last in every statistical category, we have the worst offense the NFL has seen in about 10 years and you're making excuses that the QB isn't the problem, and that he's properly executing the offense as it's called. Holy crap.

"Outplayed" is a hilarious choice of words. Allen was terrible. Watson was worse. Also the Bills D is a lot better than Houston's.

The first play of the game, Allen faked a hand off to McCoy, and promptly threw the ball straight at Clay's feet for what would have been an easy first down. That's the Offensive Coordinator's fault?

No. He's not. That's the problem.

This was literally the first play we ran today. Fake to McCoy, and Allen threw it straight at Clay's feet...

It's amazing how low the bar is for QB play around these parts. While teams are regularly throwing for 400 yards a game, we're throwing for 123 yards per contest. Our QB play this season has been laughably bad. We're scoring 12.7 points per game in 2018!!

Speaking of exaggerating. He completed 11 passes for 84 yards. One of those went for 39 yards, and one went for 22 when he committed the cardinal sin of throwing the ball across his body down the middle the field. The other 9 completions went for 23 total yards. Hard to imagine there being any impressive throws in there when they averaged 2.5 yards per completion.

QBASE has a very high rate of predicting failure for guys like Allen. Guys with negative scores like him simply are never successful. Contextualized Quarterbacking was another good one. Super detailed, and took into account each pass a QB threw and where it was placed to analyze accuracy among other things. There were others but I'll have to look around.

Reality is that over the past 20 years over 50% of QBs picked in round 1 have been busts, and when you take away the elite prospects who went #1 overall, that number spikes to over 70%. It's really hard to find a good QB.

The models provided plenty of context, like strength of opponent, strength of his supporting cast, ball placement, etc. All of the advanced analytic models gave Allen hardly any chance of being successful.