jrober38

Josh Freeman was out of the NFL after five years. Unless that's the type of career we're looking for, that's about as bad a career as a 1st round QB can have. All of the players I mentioned were as good as, if not better athletes than Allen. All of them also had accuracy problems. All of them were complete busts in the NFL because none of them could move the chains on a consistent basis because they miss too many throws.

65.4% career.

LMAO EJ Manuel - 6'5, 237 pounds, 4.65 forty, huge arm - COLOSSAL BUST Kyle Boller - 6'4, 234 pounds, 4.65 forty, huge arm - COLOSSAL BUST Josh Freeman - 6'6, 248 pounds, 4.9 forty, huge arm - COLOSSAL BUST Jake Locker - 6'3, 231 pounds, 4.59 forty, huge arm - COLOSSAL BUST The fact that he's 6'5, 230 with some mobility doesn't matter if he can't throw accurate passes consistently. What matter is if he can consistently move the chains with short accurate passes. That's what all elite NFL QBs do, and have done in the past. Whether or not he can throw the ball 40 yards on a rope while on the run or 80 yards in the air is irrelevant. It's the other 98% of the passes he makes that dictate success.

Ugh. I don't see any basis that Allen could become the "best QB in the game" when all of the best QBs in the history of the NFL had elite pin point accuracy. Brady, Marino, Montana, Brees, Manning, Kelly, Aikman, Elway, etc - all supremely accurate passers until late in their careers. Aside from maybe Marino and Elway's arm strength, Allen is nothing like any of them. And Allen's floor is unbelievably low. Think EJ Manuel, Josh Freeman, Kyle Boller, JP Losman, etc, out of the NFL after 5 years low...

Those are the guys he looks like. His ability as a passer isn't anywhere close to the players you mentioned. None of them came out of college with scouts questioning their accuracy. There is literally no history of success for guys like Allen over the past 20 years. None.

Stafford completed over 61% of his passes his Junior year. Also - no one ever questioned Stafford's accuracy..... Accuracy and completion percentage aren't the same thing.

Inaccurate QBs get drafted in the first round all the time, and they all bust. Just because someone is a first round pick doesn't mean they're any good. EJ Manuel looked great at the Senior Bowl. Colossal bust in the NFL. Jake Locker looked good at the Senior Bowl. Colossal bust in the NFL. Guys with accuracy problems don't succeed in the NFL. There hasn't been a guy with accuracy problems to become a Franchise QB in at least the past 20 years. EJ Manuel, Jake Locker, Josh Freeman, JP Losman, Kyle Boller. The list of strong, mobile, big armed QBs who flamed out in the NFL is long and full of nothing bust guys who were complete busts. Accuracy is the most important trait when it comes to being a successful NFL QB. I have no idea why NFL scouts continuously ignore it, but Allen doesn't have adequate accuracy to become a top QB.

The issue isn't completion percentage. The issue is that the ball routinely misses its target. Read any Josh Allen scouting report and they all say the same thing; he's not an accurate passer. Sometimes he misses high, sometimes low, sometimes he's behind, and sometimes he's too far out front. Good luck correcting those problems. I've watched a lot of videos on Josh Allen, and he misses routine throws all the time. He makes throws within 10 yards of the LOS look challenging. Also - I couldn't care less about how he looked throwing the ball in shorts against no defense at the combine. EJ Manuel and Jake Locker looked good at the combine. Then they got to the NFL and their accuracy was just as horrible as it was in college.

Agreed. I think the Giants want Barkley. If he's gone, they'll try to trade down a couple spots and get Nelson. To trade down to 12 I think they'll need us to give up the "farm".

Not a chance.

Agreed. You don't trade the farm for a guy with major accuracy issues just because he can throw a football 80 yards. Allen is a long shot of being successful. Rosen, Darnold and Rosen all have significantly higher floors and almost as much upside.

Barf. Allen is terrible.

They shouldn't be the pick. Jackson makes sense for a playoff team who can stash him on the bench for a year or two, and Rudolph makes sense in round 3.

I'm a critic of 90% of the QBs who come to the NFL. Although Rudolph appears to have some tools, I maintain that pretty much the only QBs who succeed in the NFL are guys who dominated in college. There are obvious exceptions (Cousins, Prescott, Tyrod?), but for the most part, successful NFL QBs are the guys who dominated in college and elevated the performance of their team while they were on campus. I just don't see that from Rudolph, and I think the type of college QB he was is in line with guys like Landry Jones and Bryce Petty, and I think they have very similar pros and cons as prospects coming out. Overall I'm very critical of this years QBs. Of the bunch, I probably like Mayfield the best because he's a guy who dominated in college (since its inception, QBs who have posted a college Total QBR of 90 or higher work out about 75% of the time, and he's the only guy who did it twice). Rosen - for all his tools, why didn't his team play better. He's a great thrower of the football, but I think his arm strength isn't great, he's had injuries, and there are wide spread reports of him being hard to coach and a bad team mate. Darnold - has all the tools, but the turnovers (interceptions and fumbles) are a major concern. You have to take care of the football in the NFL to succeed. I think he probably winds up being a similar player to Matt Stafford (is he good enough?). Allen - I don't see any way this guy succeeds. Accuracy cannot be taught at the NFL level and guys with his track record have no history of success over the past 20 years. You don't go from middle of the road Mountain West QB to NFL Franchise QB. Jackson - the tools are very good, but his size and propensity to scramble around worry me. I'm also not completely sold on his accuracy, although I think he would make a lot of sense for a team planning for life after their current starter who could learn for a year or two (Pittsburgh?).

I don't see any upside. I've read several scouting reports and they all say the same things. Mediocre arm, only decent accuracy, wasn't asked to make reads or go through progressions much, no history of success from that offense, etc. It's really hard to find someone who can be a good NFL QB, and I'm not betting on Rudolph. He looks like just a guy like so many players before him. Generally speaking only the best college QBs have a chance of being successful NFL players and I don't think Rudolph falls into that category.

Prior to the hit Trent had confidence and swagger. After that he was a totally different person so I have to think it affected him to some extent. Not sure he'd have made a good QB, but prior to the hit he took some chances and after that all he did was check down.

Watch him play. He's a system QB who has a mediocre arm, no mobility and only decent accuracy. As I said, he's the same guy as Bryce Petty and Landry Jones. How are those guys doing as pros?

RB has been increasingly important over the past few years as elite QB play has declined. Barkley, Gordon and Landry forms an elite NFL offense. Insert a QB from the 4th overall pick and you greatly increase their odds of being successful with such a talented supporting cast.

Rudolph is a 3rd/4th round prospect. No difference between him and prospects like Landry Jones or Bryce Petty.

The Giants are going to take Barkley if the Browns don't. Again - Barkley is the #1 player in the draft.

Carlos Hyde? The Browns just traded for Tyrod Taylor. I guess that means they aren't picking a QB. LMAO If they didn't have the 4th pick they wouldn't pick Barkley, but they do.... Barkley is the best player. Draft him, then get one of the QBs who are all similarly rated without a consensus #1 guy. Go into 2018 with Tyrod, Barkley, Landry, Gordon, Njoku and an improved D, and then hand the reigns to Allen, Darnold or Mayfield in 2019.

Who is the #1 QB in the draft? I know who the #1 RB is. Who the #1 QB is seems to vary by a pretty wide degree..... The Browns will go BPA with the 1st overall pick. That's Barkley.

There are four top QBs in the draft. There is one top RB. He's also the guy everyone has as the #1 overall player in the draft. Seems simple; take Barkley and a top 3 QB, or take a top 3 QB and a player other than Barkley. If they want Barkley, there's only one scenario that makes sense. If they don't take him, guaranteed the Giants do.

How do we know? Their owner practically said it two months ago. Barkley is the best player in the draft. He's the best running back prospect to enter the league in 10 years. He's the guy Cleveland is going to take #1 overall, because he's not going to be available 4th overall.

Indy wanted Barkley, but they just traded down. Indy knows Barkley is going #1 or #2 otherwise they'd have stayed put. I don't think the NFL liked Rosen as much as the fans think it likes him. He's got a bad attitude (widely reported), a mediocre arm and durability issues (concussions and shoulder problems). I think he's going to go a lot later than people think. I don't see any wow factor which is typically what the NFL targets early in round 1.