Billsfan1972

If they returned it to the 40 yep an epic fail, but I showed empirical evidence that the Bills didn't allow it all year.

Here's the Kickoff Defence. https://www.footballdb.com/stats/teamstat.html?group=D&cat=KR&yr=2021&lg=NFL

All season long when Bass wanted it returned he did a shorter approach. He was easily sailing it in the endzone all game. 7-8 yard full steam run and a booming kick. He has a 60 yard+ leg for FGs we know, so again why if he is only trying to kick it 60 yards is he doing a full wind-up. Sorry need to get this out of my system......😜

That's McD's responsibility to tell them to kick it short. ST coach is to ensure that they play it right and tackle. If I'm wrong as to their responsibility let me know.

I have posted in other threads so apologies. And yes still pissed at all the mistakes in the last 13 seconds. I can accept (though inexcusable) that there was miscommunication (and that is an epic fail), but not that Bass was not trying to kick it out of the endzone. Yes in another thread.... I had to go back and watch every kick...... Bass was kicking into the endzone. His approach was 7-8 yards..... The 29-26 kick, same approach 7-8 yards, After the 75 yard TD, he actually did a 5-6 yard approach and in the end zone. After HT, 5-6 yards and through the endzone..... Just before HT and the TD, 7 yard approach and touchback. At 7-0, again 7 yards and he did not catch it clean and would have bounced in the endzone but Pringle fielded the line drive and returned it to the 25. No chance he was told to kick it short and blew it!!!!!! A good pop up or squib kick goes to the 5-10 yard line. Squibs are often muffed & pop up kicks usually means defense is downfield to defend. You want to know how many short kicks (to the 5-15 yard line) were returned for TD's in 2021 in the NFL (I counted 1,200 kick returns)???? 0!!!!!!! Kicks returned were all line drives to the goal line and returned 98-102 yards. Bass was so proficient that the Bills were third in Kickoff defense & the longest return was 31 yards. That would have eaten 7 seconds minimum. When he did those short kicks he approached them as FGs, has a 60+ yard leg, and would take a 3 or less step drop. A 60 yard kick goes to the 5 yard line. So let's say Bass does kick it to the 5, best return is to the 36 & 7 seconds off the clock. That gives KC one play to get to the 32 (which is where they ended up) or another 32 yards in 6 seconds. If an average return they are at the 22-25 yard line and 7-8 seconds left. The math is simple, you kick it to the 5 or squib it and eat clock.

A good pop up or squib kick goes to the 5-10 yard line. Squibs are often muffed & pop up kicks usually means defense is downfield to defend. You want to know how many short kicks (to the 5-15 yard line) were returned for TD's in 2021???? 0!!!!!!! Kicks returned were all line drives for the goal line 98-102 yards. Bass was so proficient that the Bills were third in Kickoff defense & the longest return was 31 yards. That would have eaten 7 seconds minimum. So let's say Bass does kick it to the 5, best return is to the 36 & 7 seconds off the clock. That gives them one play to get to the 32 or another 32 yards in 6 seconds. If an average return they are at the 22-25 yard line and 7-8 seconds left. The math is simple.

While I'm still here, and yes listened to 1-2 podcasts (love Bill Simmons and a lot on The Ringer), I have plenty of Netflix, Crave (Canada's bundling HBO, Showtime & others) & taped shows to keep me preoccupied. I however will forever blame fundamental simple coaching for screwing up the final 13 seconds (OT, couldn't care less😜). Funny MCM, it was not so much about the kick (the fact they could have bleeded the clock to 0 to kick it) or the terrible kick or the forward lateral. I still am just as incensed that Rob Johnson played that game, was terrible and that Ralph Wilson made the call for him to play (I have absolved Wade Phillips of making that decision).

In other thread. Epic fail is miscommunication in the last 13 seconds. Yes in another thread.... I had to go back and watch every kick (second half)...... Bass was kicking into the endzone. His approach was 7-8 yards..... The 29-26 kick, same approach 7-8 yards, After the 75 yard TD, he actually did a 5-6 yard approach and in the end zone. After HT, 5-6 yards and through the endzone..... You want me to check the other 2 too????? No chance he was told to kick it short!!!!!!

Yes in another thread.... I had to go back and watch every kick (second half)...... Bass was kicking into the endzone. His approach was 7-8 yards..... The 29-26 kick, same approach 7-8 yards, After the 75 yard TD, he actually did a 5-6 yard approach and in the end zone. After HT, 5-6 yards and through the endzone..... You want me to check the other 2 too????? No chance he was told to kick it short!!!!!!

How you have miscommunication there is unbelievable incompetence.

You did???? I now have now watched the 29-26 kick, same approach 7-8 yards, After the 75 yard TD, he actually did a 5-6 yard approach and in the end zone. After HT, 5-6 yards and through the endzone..... You want me to check the other 2 too????? No chance he was told to kick it short!!!!!!

I just watched the kick again. He certainly did. Do I need to rewind & see all of his kickoffs? He has a 60 yard FG leg, 60 yards is to the 5 yard line. Not an argument.

Bull.... All season Bass did the short run for kicks to be returned. He put his full leg into it. This is what you practice.

He's never been wrong, but he admits "they need to get better". Same old story.

I'm confused? You get the ST together & tell them "We're kicking it short/squib kicking it, stay in your lanes". How much more could it be?

As I've said elsewhere the Bills were #3 in kick coverage, the longest run back all year was 31 yards. Massive screw up by McD.

And I got plenty of pushbacks, eyerolls and vomit emojis anytime I questioned the defense and said anything about third & fourth down conversions. Heck think I had a thread last week and was told how little I knew. KC is a great offense, however the final 13 seconds was an epic fail (and OT), along with a couple of third down conversions. One great play on third & one, where Reid tried to get too cute was pretty much all they did. I don't think you need game changing plays to defend during the last 13 seconds!!!!!!😡

Again he did a full run up and full leg..... There was no attempt to keep it in the field of play. Bass has a leg for 60 yard FG, which requires a 3-4 yard approach. He did his 7 yard one. All season long the Bills when they wanted to allow a return Bass did a shorter approach. Case closed.....😜

And as I said above, the Bills did not allow a big return all year. The longest was 33 yards. Average was 17 yards. If a 17 yard return, they eat up 6 seconds, we are down to 7 seconds and let's say they are at the 30 (being generous). Mahomes then needs to complete a 35 yard pass in 7 seconds. Good luck.....

I just posted elsewhere (my thread), that the b Bills were #3 in Kicking defence and the longest kick return they allowed all year was 33 yards. These are stats that these coaches who work 20 hours/day and look at everything, because they are so damn good, should know. https://www.footballdb.com/stats/teamstat.html?group=D&cat=KR&yr=2021&lg=NFL I was screaming at the TV to do a pop up kick to the 5-10 yard line that Bass is adept at. McD speak.... He should teach a masterclass.

Here you go.... Another thing to make you cry and wonder about McD.... Bills were #3 in the league. The longest kick return allowed all year 33 yards!!!!! https://www.footballdb.com/stats/teamstat.html?group=D&cat=KR&yr=2021&lg=NFL These are stats the coaches should know. Absolutely you hit it to the 5-10 yard line and make them return it.

Levy lost it because that was the year there was only one week between the Championship and the SB. The team was too high on themsleves and too much in awe of the week and they were not reigned in and focussed. Yep can blame Levy, but the players too. Also that last drive was terrible time management. They should have been a minimum 10 yards closer. Sunday it was McD being lost and the Defense that was unprepared to play 13 f'ing seconds. McD may not have been outcoached, but he completely blew the last 13 seconds.

And who's fault is that? Pretty simple you tell the coverage team "we're kicking it short". Hard to believe that.

When Bass was kicking it down to the 5-yard line he was taking a 3-yard approach. Yesterday was the usual seven yards and you could see that he was trying to kick it out of the end zone. And Pringle was back to receive not Hill. How about someone asking Bass? Just look at the kick there was no chance he was going to 5-yard line. And then still all they had to do was stop two plays. Epic failure.

Shaw you do a great job and are an incredible fan. Yes you don't like what I say and not sure why. You seem very hesitant to ever blame coaching. However there were 13 friggin seconds left. That comes down to coaching. I had friends over and was screaming did you do a pooch kick to the five 10-yard line which Bass had been very successful throughout the year doing. Then we can talk about the two plays afterwards and how badly they were botched. I've been a Bills fan since 1972 and you never know when this chance will come again. Yes I'm very upset.