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LeGOATski

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  1. 1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said:

     

    Sure.  But when you tackle, do you think, "This is a hip drop" as opposed to "This is a swivel hip drop"?   


    I understand the risk of injury and the need for a rule.  But I also think most defenders are just trying to get the guy down, not trying to hurt anybody.  And the NFL rulebook keeps getting longer and more complicated.  

     

     

    By the examples in the video, there's a clear intent by tacklers to curl their lower body into the back of the runner's legs. It's a way to get all your weight on them and also trip them up. I do think they're just doing whatever they can to bring the guy down, but it's also more dangerous and something that can be cleaned up easily. 

     

    Typically you just grab the runner and go limp, your legs stay behind you. You either drag them down by the waist or you slide down and wrap up their legs.

     

    Maybe people are confusing wrapping up the legs with a hip drop tackle. These things are not the same. So tacklers from behind can still wrap up a runner and it won't be called.... Ideally (We all know refs will screw this up.)

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  2. 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

     

    Dean Blandino, Rick McKay, and Troy Vincent all say otherwise. They are initially going to address it through film review and fines before throwing flags. Sure, a blatantly obvious one that causes an injury will likely draw a flag, and rightfully so.

     

    How often do they get horse collar tackles wrong, calling them when it wasnt a horse collar? Rarely if ever?

     

     

    So, they WILL call them in game. Thanks.

  3. 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

     

    It's not that it wont be enforced. It's how it will be enforced that is a little different.

     

    But we already have this in the NFL. There are plenty of hits and behavior that doesnt get flagged in the moment, but gets fined later on.

     

    And frankly, I'd rather have it that way than stopping the game and letting the refs influence the whole thing.

     

     

    Well if it's going to be enforced mostly through film and fines then it wont be very vulnerable to manipulation and corruption, so what more do you want?

    Like every other rule, it will be called in game. What other rule never gets called in game?

  4. 4 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

    He had 35 catches last year while playing with the league MVP. This would have been worrisome 5 years ago

    We all know that title was a joke. And Tua's the best QB in the off-season.

  5. 19 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

    They just had Dean Blandino on One Bills Live.  He talked about the potential new kick off rules...likely being tabled to the May meeting.  He also addressed the Hip drop tackle and confirmed that the initial enforcement will be through film reviews and fines, not flags...as it will be a learning curve for both players and the referees.

    How ridiculous.

     

    We've created a new rule that we assure you is completely justified, but we're not going to be able to enforce it in the game....because reasons.

     

    That is absurd.

     

    Can anyone think of another example where a league implemented a new rule, but didn't enforce it right away?

     

    What a broken system.

     

    Since they're announcing it now, they should've already done their homework and be able to implement it straight away. That's how a legitimate league would handle their business.

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  6. 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

    I like football as the much as the next but I have almost zero interest in watching it all year long. 

    That means you might not like football as much as the next. Literally.

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  7. Most of these unis look pretty bad. I really wish Houston kept the Gamblers over the Roughnecks.

     

    They looked 200% better and had a less cheesy name.

     

    If they had, I would be rooting for them simply because they're cool and were Jim Kelly's team.

     

    Otherwise, I have no ties to these teams. Currently I'm partial to the DC Defenders.

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  8. 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

     

     

     

    From what I've read, and what Troy Vincent has said, the enforcement of the Hip Drop ban will NOT be done by flags and penalties, and more so via fines after the game. They plan to drive it out by hitting the players in the wallet as opposed to putting that pressure on the officials in real time.

    To start, maybe... they're still going to call it in game.

  9. 3 minutes ago, H2o said:

    Well, you can bet there will be some questionable calls over these go in the usual suspects' favor. 

    For sure. It's going to be a grey area that causes more variability in the officiating. This is where the USFL/XFL officiating system comes in handy. They have a ref in the booth at the stadium reviewing plays in real time with a better viewpoint and without the other distractions that the refs on the field have. This is the type of call the booth ref can get correct more often than the field ref can.

     

    If the NFL simply implemented a better system, which they've neglected for a decade now, this wouldn't be so painful.

    3 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

    It's all fun and games until Josh has his ankle broken from a hip drop tackle.

     

    It presents similar danger as a horse-collar tackle.  It needed to banned.  

    He was a victim of it by Joey Bossa I think, but fortunately didn't get injured (idk how because the replay looked ugly.) That was an infamous play that season where we heard on the replay Bosa saying "how else am I supposed to bring him down? He's too big."

     

    I think it was Bosa. Or maybe Watt.

     

    The Bills Oline took exception to it and was yelling at him.

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  10. 5 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

     

    So just falling dead weight is ok, even on the back of the runners legs, as long as you don't swivel your hips?

    I think so. I've tackled people from behind without needing to curl up my body the way the defenders in that video do.

  11. 6 minutes ago, sven233 said:

     

    The problem I see with this is that a lot of these tackles happen by circumstance, not because players are trying to hurt each other.  Just about all these clips show the offensive player getting out in front of the defensive player so the defensive player has to grab the player and pull them to the ground.  I guess I am not seeing how, at full speed, they want the defensive player to tackle the guy that is trying to run away from them.  They can't go high because the offensive player will just run through it.  I guess they could try and trip them around the knees or something, but will that really limit injuries or will it created more? 

     

    I don't know.  I guess if they unanimously voted it out there must be a plan, but I just don't see a lot of ways to tackle a guy that gets ahead of you in open space without wrapping up.  It is a lot to ask of defensive players.

    Take a look at how the defenders use their lower body. Once they have grip, they swing their legs out in front in order to land on the back of the runner's legs.

     

    The answer, I think is to keep your legs behind you; don't swivel your hips/swing your legs. Sometimes the way the runner moves might still cause the defender's body to swing around, which is where this could get confusing.

     

    But there's a clear technique here that just needs to be adjusted. It'd be nice to see a video comparison showing the right technique vs the wrong technique.

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  12. 7 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:


    Do you believe that Diggs being a cap hit at 28 million dollars with decreasing production as beneficial right now? I guess if you see it as a blip and he bounces back then yes. if you see his last half of the season and playoffs as a sign of things to come then it’s a terrible contract to have on the books 

    Look at this in context of drafting a 23 year old (you're original complaint) who turns into a #1 WR. In comparison to Diggs, this means you have him at least 9 years, producing 100+ receptions and double digit TDs. That also takes Josh to 37 years old, the probable end of his career. 

     

    You're making up a problem where there isn't one.

    4 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

    We didn't have a problem, but possibly we should have had one?

    Look at Diggs production from the moment he was signed and tell me where the problem is? I mean, he's only been Josh's best receiver and one of the best in the league.... woe is we....

  13. 9 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:


     No a raw WR prospect at 24 is not a good thing. You expect a 24 year old prospect to be a polished player by now. If he was 21 or 22 I wouldn’t have a problem. Let’s say he takes 2 years to get up to NFL speed due to his rawness. He’s now 26 and has 3 years left. Great we get fantastic production for 3 years then he’s going to seek a huge deal at 29 years old. It will likely be his only big contract and we don’t know if he’ll break down at 31 or 34 like you say but your going to either take that risk and pay him a ton or lose him 

    Your hypothetical scenario is not an issue at all. The Bills had no problem paying Diggs at 29 years old.

  14. 2 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

     

    He also has a ton of flaws in his game as well and will be pushing 24 when hes in the NFL his rookie season. If he was a guy who was 21 I would be more game for him but he's not. There are so many people here who are going to be highly disappointed when the Bills pass on him at 28.

    So, you're saying he could play for the Bills for 10 years. Oh no.

  15. 1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said:


    He plays outside and a lot project him to the slot because of his route running. That comment was very interesting and describes a guy like a McConkey or a Worthy way more than guys like Legette 

    Yet, Legette is the type monster athlete Josh has never had at receiver. Josh already has good, quick route runners. The one type of guy he doesn't have is the jump ball winner. The icing on the cake is that Legette has legit top end speed.

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  16. I don't agree on all points, but it is true that the Bills have NOT taken a step back. I expect them to be contenders once again. Hopefully they land an offensive difference maker in the draft and hit the ground running this season. 

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  17. 7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

     

     

    Kumerow was 6'4". Duke Williams was 6'3". He's had a monster. And he's had other guys who can go up and make contested catches, including Davis and Diggs.

     

    Height isn't a non-factor. But it shouldn't be in the top three either. Fast, separation and a proven ability to run a varied route tree and to be effective at all levels should be higher priorities.

     

     

    I'm not talking about just a tall receiver. That's a very basic way of looking at my post. You see I mentioned Garret Wilson, who isn't even that big. I'm talking about a talented WR who actually has that skill set.

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  18. 26 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

    Yes! Josh's in his prime. Get ahead of the Diggs decline & this is the perfect WR draft class to do it.

    I agree. And Josh has never had a monster WR. Give him a guy he can just throw high balls to. We always see guys like Garrett Wilson, Courtland Sutton and the like make big contested catches against the Bills. I'd like the Bills to be able to do that. Paired with Diggs, Samuel, Kincaid, Shakir, that's a versatile receiver group.

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