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I remember when NFL talking heads were saying that about Big Ben. The truth is these guys don't even know who can play, let alone how long it will take. That's a function of work ethic and flexibility from the offensive coordinator. The Bills currently run an offense where the QB is protected more than any team. Mahomes would be ready far earlier than people realize. His coach was installing plays from New England and Green Bay for him to run in college. Unless Dennison is idiot then I won't worry.

No, that is not the consensus. Project in football implies massive uncertainty and time. Who cares whether they start right away or sit for 8 games to a year? You draft a QB to change the fate of your franchise, not to fill in holes on your depth chart. That is if you have a real GM running your team.

Trubisky and Mahomes are not long term projects. Bruce Arians said he likes the talent in this class and that some of these guys need to sit for one year. One year is not a long term project.

Nothing the Bills do anymore could shock me. Yes, that is a dark horse Bills type pick.

Watson has great intangibles. When NFL teams meet him they will feel like they are talking to Dak from last year. I just don't see the upside with him. His arm talent is comparable to people that are #2 QB's. Saying you can make every throw is fine but if it floats in the air corners will break on it. In Buffalo that would be further magnified. He had a ridiculous supporting cast. Mike Williams, Renfrow, Leggett, and Artavis Scott will all be NFL players. I would take Artavis Scott in the 5th and be fine with that. Clemson coaches did a great job and he was the top QB in college but I don't take him in the first.

Last one I went to was the EJ draft. Marrone came out and did a rah rah speech. I'm not going again!

I was talking to my friend who is a scout about Cossell. He told me that Cossell's methods are good if you are looking for a QB sleeper later in the draft who can be a marginal starter. I also asked the scout who sold me on Mahomes what his low end was. He said early Jay Cutler with a better attitude. His high end comparable was Drew Brees. I'm in on that.

Great stuff. I do understand the Cosell point of view where mechanics and process can scare people. But Mahomes has imperfect mechanics for a couple of reasons. The baseball background and the insane arm that allows him to not have to step into throws. I am a gambler so I go with Mahomes. Too many teams out there and if you hit a bullseye with him the franchise is changed. Corners, linebackers, and WR's can't do that like a QB can.

If the Bills pass on Trubisky and the Browns take him at 12 then everyone's seat at One Bills Drive will get red hot if the Browns win similar games with a rookie while we win 5-6 games with Tyrod a veteran who will cost 18 million next year and who is what he is.

What year do the shirts say we make the playoffs?!

Awesome.

It's right there in black and white. Shanahan talked up his board at the Superbowl and Cabot's source confirmed it.

The Patriots baited the Falcons to punch themselves out. They planned it. What they didn't plan for was Brady throwing that INT.

Mary Kay Cabot is a Browns reporter with tons of sources in Cleveland. She mentioned right there in the story that she confirmed the story with one of those sources. Look, I know many Bills fans assume drafting a QB is completely random. But there are top end QB people who know more than a Doug Whaley or McDermott about QB play. Cooter and Shanahan are two of the elite of the elite with understanding QB play. He has great pocket presence. Footwork can be improved. That is true. Rather have that than a guy that can't throw a spiral or someone with bad pocket presence.

Thursday, Shanahan spoke to Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com where he confirmed that he advised the Cleveland Browns to draft Raiders quarterback Derek Carr or Patriots QB Jimmy Garoppolo over Johnny Manziel to no avail. http://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2017/02/04/kyle-shanahan-advised-browns-to-take-raiders-qb-derek-carr-over-johnny-manziel/

Cabot called the Browns to fact check, "and a source said he had him ranked right behind Derek Carr on his QB list." He doesn't need to rework mechanics. He does need to be more consistent with his footwork because he does do the baseball shortstop thing when he is scrambling. If he does that he becomes even more accurate.

HOUSTON -- Kyle Shanahan admitted at the Super Bowl Thursday that he really liked Patriots backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo coming out in 2014 when he was offensive coordinator of the Browns, and a source said he had him ranked right behind Derek Carr on his QB list. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/02/kyle_shanahan_liked_derek_carr.html You can say he is making it up but if the Browns scouts know he is lying he will get called out for it and he has not. Yes, they also paid for an analytics study that said Bridgewater. They should have listened to Shanahan.

Shanahan created the board for the Browns who ignored it and drafted Johhny Drunkball because a homeless guy told the owner to take him.

True. But Shanahan's board for 2014 was Carr #1 , Jimmy G #2. Cooter was Peyton Manning's choice for OC over Adam Gase. Cooter will be the next star coach when he is hired in the next 2 years. I have been told that Jim Bob Cooter is like a Mike Tomlin on offense. Absolutely controls a room and understands QB play and how to maximize.

The Bills have long been one of the NFL’s most dysfunctional franchises. It’s going to be interesting to see if this remains a trend under the Pegulas, who have owned the team a couple of years now. Some won't see it until next year...

That was why I wanted the Bills to hire Jim Bob Cooter. I would have complete confidence in Cooter or a Shanahan creating an offense and picking a QB.

Kyle Shanahan is a QB guru. He will be fine.

Bandit, I hope you're right. The draft will tell us a lot more. Mahomes and Trubisky are two QB's that have franchise QB potential. The Bills passing on either would be a huge indication that we are not thinking of the future.

There's a lot more. We can discuss Rosen more next year if we have a top 5 pick.