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I think they may have outmaneuvered us already. I remain unconvinced that you can the big 2 anywhere but at 1 and 2. I also am not so sure that the Giants feell a need to trade down especially to number 12. And, Cleveland doesn't need to trade down from 4 either, they have plenty of picks and have to sign them. Sorry for the pessimism, but the only hope to get Darnold or Rosen is getting Gettleman to move the number 2 to us. And, I'm not sure he wants to.imo

I agree with what you say. We would like to move to 2 and get Rosen. If that is not possible where and who are we taking...assuming Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Barkley go 1-2-3-4 in some order. I still believe Denver would take Baker at 5 , but even if they take Nelson or Chubb we are left with trading up to 7 TB for Baker as the only alternative. And, you may be right he is viewed below the other guys and closer to Jackson. what scenario are you seeing other than number 2 that I'm not?

I want to believe and have been one of the biggest supporters of trading up to 2. I'm just very worried we are going to get shut out this year and still not may a real successful attempt at getting a top guy who can play soon. Allen is a talent, but a huge project imo and I don't doubt that most teams realize this as well. Sorry for the pessimism but I'm not comfortable at all like I was 7-10 days ago.

Thanks for the attempt at optimism. I have been very pessimistic since the Jets trade up and remain so. #12 is huge problem to overcome with a limited number of Elite prospects at the top. scenarios I don't like: 1. Darnold goes first, Rosen second, Mayfield third we are !@#$ed with the guys who could play soon. 2. Darnold, Barkley goes 2, Rosen goes 3, Chubb to Browns, Mayfield to Broncos 3.Darnold, Chubb, Rosen, Barkley, Mayfield I think we are big trouble unless you want Allen perhaps. I don't this high.

I hope you are right. I'm scared that Giants won't move down to 12.

I'm highly in favor of moving up. Having said that I wish I could share the optimism. I don't right now because I think there are too many moving parts at the top and I'm not seeing it add up in the Bills favor. I think #12 is a big problem for the Bills to overcome because people don't want to trade down that far.

If you want to remain incompetent and irrelevant as a poster to use your phrase keep saying that Rosen sucks.

I've yet to see anyone say that there are sure HOFers in the draft at QB. I have seen many elite QBs taken at the top of the draft and a higher success rate at finding an elite QB as discussed ad nauseum on this site. I am seeing a lot of hyperbole, BS and complete risk aversion by some. Reminder : "The Settle Strategy" has no guarantees either and a far lower success rate.

Nobody is a slam dunk. But, don't forget how many of his teammates have come forward in support of him.

Really? How so? Or is it he doesn't like Trump and you're just using this excuse?

You really don't want to hear what almost all of the scouts say do you? And that is that Rudolph is not an elite QB. You dodged our earlier discussion trying to use your opinion as evidence. Now you're trying to tell us that the top guys as rated by the scouts weren't elite. I'm sorry but this can't be taken seriously. Just take your Loss and drop the argument.

Did he? I must have missed that.

You're right it is a great story! Unless you are an NFL scout and are correct and they're all wrong. Maybe you're Chris Trapasso. There is no argument otherwise that Rudolph is so much better talent than our 5th round guy he should go with #12.

In your opinion. 99% of the scouting world disagrees and says he's not a 12th pick in the draft

Weird answer

Me too that's why I asked. Can't wait for the reasoning.

I think your credibility takes an enormous hit with statements like this.

No Juju. There is no factual basis other than he passed for more yards in college...which is not a reason.

Someone who supports drafting Rudolph at 12, please tell me why he is a better player than our current 5th rounder AJ McCarron?

For those on this thread who have been worrying about the second round pick status and the Bills screwing up- try and put humanity above your petty nonsense for once. Also, keep in mind that many saw him as about a clean a prospect as there is. But hey go ahead and overreact because that's what you do.

1. Rosen 2. Darnold 3. Mayfield 4. Allen 5. Rudolph 6. Jackson

Mason Rudolph upside= AJ McCarron upside but one was a 5th round pick. http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/mason-rudolph?id=2559942 http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/aj-mccarron?id=2543497 Plus AJ has NFL experience now, MR belongs no where near #12. We have that kind of upside right now!

I've been away on my annual golfing vacation to Alabama and the RTJ Trail (haven't posted recently). So Alabama gets me thinking about AJ McCarron and people on these threads shilling for Mason Rudolph at #12 I see we are in agreement as is usually the case. Below are where each stood after the combine -dead even! I would also add small caveat that AJ McCarron has experience in the NFL which puts him ahead. IMO we already have our Mason Rudolph potential wise.....don't draft him with number 12...AJ was a 5th for a little perspective. http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/mason-rudolph?id=2559942 http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/aj-mccarron?id=2543497

Good. He's a crappy QB.

We're you there?