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  1. Just now, Virgil said:

     

    But is that only because they keep restructuring every year into bonus money?

     

    They keep moving money around the deals. It isn't quite as straightforward as simple restructures as the OTC post explains. But they keep making sure their guys are getting cash in their pockets because that is what the players care about much more so than AAV once the deal is signed. OTC predicts 2027 for a new Josh Allen deal. I might go a year earlier.... 2026 is the sweet spot IMO. 

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  2. 43 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

    Gunner I like most of what you post.  But don’t sugar coat it.  Diggs was pretty bad the second half of last season.  He could not get open down the field.  He was dropping passes and looked disinterested. 
     

    I think he is pretty much done.  A lot of guys have their day.  But he isn’t balling out til he is 35 like a Larry Fitzgerald Jerry Rice or Tony Gonzalez.  He was excellent for awhile, but not nearly in that pantheon.    
     

    The Bills did great to dump him on Houston for a 2nd round pick.  

     

    I am not sugar coating it. I am just not yet ready to say he is done. Maybe he was disinterested. Maybe he was nicked up. He'd definitely fallen out with Josh. He might be done. Or he might rebound in different circumstances. Neither of those would surprise me. 

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  3. 37 minutes ago, Virgil said:

     

    I see what you're saying, but you also need to take care of your own.  Josh is now severely underpaid on the market and I think they need to give him a new deal after this season.  He is easily the face of the franchise and we are nothing without him.  He's barely been in the top 10 for his position and making 13 mil less per year that the top guys.  As fans and the owners, we should not want him to have that deal.

     

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    See my reply to @HappyDays and the OTC link he provided. Josh is "making" top 3 or 4 money each year. AAV is AAV. It matters when you sign the deal and your agent can tweet out "best paid QB ever" etc. But year on year what matters is the money the Bills are actually paying him. While that money keeps being top 3 or 4 every year the less incentive there is for him to seek an extension.  

    Just now, Virgil said:

     

     

    Yes, Pat and Josh being 8th and 9th on this list should be adjusted after this season.  

     

    They are 8th and 9th in AAV. They are both top 3 in cash paid in 2024.

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  4. 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

     

    I'm not sure about. The restructure was more complicated than what we're used to:

     

    https://overthecap.com/inside-josh-allens-restructured-contract-with-the-bills

     

    I don't quite understand all the particulars, but we didn't just reduce his cap hit this year while increasing cap hits in each successive year of his contract like most restructures. We instead did it in a way that lowered his cap hit both this year and in 2025, and OTC thinks it sets the stage for an extension in 2027.

     

    There is still money they could kick. They don't want to kick it. And the reasons why are pretty well explained in that article. They want to allow themselves flex to keep moving money around to keep the cash number Josh gets each year up there in value who will stop him hankering after a new deal with a higher overall AAV. Because while the AAV matters the day you sign the deal it doesn't matter after that. What matters is what you are getting cash terms year on year and I made this point earlier in the offseason when people started talking about needing to extend him. Josh may now be way down the list on AAV but he remains top 3 or 4 each year on cash based on the moves the Bills keep making with his deal. 

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  5. Samuel. I reckon if he stays healthy he ends up around 1,000 maybe just short of it. I have something like:

     

    Samuel 925

    Kincaid 850

    Shakir 800

    Coleman 650 (but leads us in touchdowns)

    Knox 400

    Cook 350

     

    That gets you to 3,975. Then you have you bits and pieces guys contributing another 300-500 between them.... running back 2, Morris, Hollins whoever else is a depth receiver. 

     

     

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  6. 2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

    We may need to as the 5th year option for Groot is 13 mill I think. 

     

    At $13m my plan would be have him play on the option unless he balls out this year. I'm open to the Tremaine approach with him of let him play on the option then move on and take the comp pick. 

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  7. 31 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

     

    Yeah I agree with Grable possibly over Van Denmark. I like RVD, but this move allows you to kind of reset the minimum contract and you used a 6th on the guy. But instinct having seen very little of Grable is that there is a world in which they both make it. 

     

    I have seen nothing of Grable myself but as I said in my day 3 debrief one of my spies who was at the Shrine Bowl week said he stood out in practices. If he has and kind of decent showing in pre-season (and maybe even if he doesn't) he is going to be very hard to sneak onto the PS. 

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  8. On 4/29/2024 at 10:19 AM, JGMcD2 said:

    Explaining in a little more detail where my mind was when I said that...

     

    We carried 9 OL on the 53 last year:

    • Dawkins, Dion
    • Brown, Spencer
    • Torrence, O'Cyrus
    • McGovern, Connor
    • Morse, Mitch
    • Bates, Ryan
    • Edwards, David
    • Anderson, Alec
    • Van Demark, Ryan

    This year 7/9 OL are returning:

     

    Locks (5)

    • Dawkins, Dion
    • Brown, Spencer
    • Torrence, O'Cyrus
    • McGovern, Connor
    • Edwards, David

    This is our presumed starting 5 OL. The only thing that could change is McGovern moving back to LG and Edwards moving back to a reserve role. 

     

    High Probability to Make Roster (2)

    • Van Demark, Ryan
    • Anderson, Alec

    These guys are REALLY close to being locks in my opinion.

     

    The Bills signed Alec Anderson as an UDFA, and he spent all of 2022 on the practice squad and the entire 2023 season on the 53. Van Demark was a Colts UDFA in 2022 but like Anderson spent 2022 on our practice squad and all of 2023 on our 53. 

     

    The Bills have invested a lot of time/resources into developing both players and I think they clearly have a leg up on the competition. 

     

    New Veterans (3)

    • Collins, La'el
    • Clapp, Will
    • Doyle, Tommy*

    Collins has some guarantees, but I don't think he's a guarantee to make the roster, although that likely gives him a leg up. I don't think Clapp has a chance to make the roster unless there is an injury at the C position. Tommy Doyle fits here because he's coming off injury, but made the roster in 2021 and 2022, likely would've made it in 2023 before a season ending injury - he's fighting an uphill battle.

     

    Drafted Rookies (3)

    • Van Pran-Granger, Sedrick
    • Grable, Tylan
    • Clayton, Travis

    The way Beane spoke about Clayton after the draft, it seems like they've banking on him being the 17th guy on the Practice Squad. My gut tells me that Van Pran-Granger is nearly a lock for the reserve C role (I think this is possible with McGovern and Edwards being able to play G) and pundits seem to think he could end up starting for us this year. Grable is competing for a reserve T role with the likes of Collins, Doyle and Van Demark, if not he's likely another hopeful Practice Squad stash for Beane. 

     

    After walking through it I feel pretty comfortable saying we can predict who 8/9 lineman will be on the 53.

    • Dawkins, Dion
    • Brown, Spencer
    • Torrence, O'Cyrus
    • McGovern, Connor
    • Edwards, David
    • Anderson, Alec
    • Van Demark, Ryan
    • Van Pran-Granger, Sedrick

    That leaves Collins, Clapp, Doyle, Grable, Clayton, Edwards, Britton and Bills competing for 1 spot. 

     

    Jordan Schultz suggested that Keaton Bills *SHOULD* make this team. I just think that it's going to be an uphill battle for any of the UDFA to break camp on the 53. 

     

    I largely agree. While I think Van Demark is very likely to make it I do think Grable has a chance to dislodge him. They are similar player in terms of athletic profile. Vandy showed last pre-season that is very good at LT, but couldn't really get it at right tackle. If Grable can do both I think there is a world where they decide to go with him and a vet (I'm thinking specifically Collins in this space tbh). Equally given Beane mentioned Clapp specifically when asked about center the other day I wonder if he has a better shot in the building than we think. 

     

    I'd definitely like the final 9 to be your predicted 8 and Grable. But will be interesting to see how it plays out. If they are all healthy can Beane maybe swing one of his trade for a day 3 pick tricks?

  9. 4 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

    Like a MUCH cheaper but not super substantively-lesser replacement. 

     

    Stefon Diggs was an elite receiver. Whether he still is remains to be seen - that is fair - but he has six consecutive 1,000 yard seasons. Samuel's best year (which in fairness did come in a Joe Brady coordinated offense) was 851 yards. I would say that is super substantively lesser. Whether he is super substantively lesser than Stefon Diggs in 2024 we will see. But the Diggs we saw for at least 3 and a half years of his run in Buffalo? Yea. Samuel is a LOOOONG way short of that. I think Samuel could have a career year though. John Brown when forced into a #1 role by lack of alternatives had a thousand yard season for us. But he still wasn't close to what peak Stef Diggs was. 

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  10. 1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

     

    Mike Evans ran a 4.53 and got drafted 7th overall. Supposedly that's exactly what Coleman ran at his pro day. Drake London ran a 4.58 and went 8th overall. So it's definitely possible Coleman would have been a top 10 pick if he had gone back and really dominated on the field in his 3rd year.

     

     

    Well you know my views on Drake London he was a big reach by the Falcons and is another non-separator.  But that wasn't really my point. My point was 4.6 you ain't going top 10. If Coleman had gone back to school, had a 1,000 yard season and then run a 4.53 he could have been a top 10 pick. But if he'd run a 4.61 he wouldn't have done. I didn't say he wasn't capable of running faster than 4.61. I always said his Combine time was not what he was capable of. 

  11. 16 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

    Where a person gets drafted means nothing to me. Can that person be a good to elite player is what I care about. People can have their "value". I want results. Many on this post are consumed with Keon's combine 40. I'm acknowledging that T.O. had a not so good 40 at the combine as well. Didn't see many catch T.O. on the football field. Keon said he didn't remember anyone catching him from behind either. 

     

    I am NOT consumed with his 40 time though. That isn't my knock. He doesn't separate. Speed. Route running. Nous. Combination thereof. He isn't a separator. And those guys rarely work out in the NFL and when they do it is invariably as big slots.

  12. Sorry to be late to the party with my final roundup folks. I'm having my kitchen renovated and spent yesterday morning doing admin relating to that and then the afternoon biting my fingers off through the North London Derby (London is Red). I just ran out of steam in the evening. But here is my final summary of how it ended up looking for the Buffalo Bills and the rest of the league after three days of drafting in Detroit.

     

    The Bills picks...

    All seven of them.... yes the Bills made SEVEN picks on day 3 of the draft to add to the three that they made on day 2. I'll try and keep it brief on each one to make sure this is readable :D. The first was Ray Davis the running back out of Kentucky and we should begin with his age. He will turn 24 midway through his rookie season. He will be 28 by the time he finishes his rookie contract and in a league where running backs age out pretty fast he is likely a one contract player. I'll be honest I'd have rather they wait than go running back in round 4 but in terms of holes on the roster there was a gaping one behind James Cook. Davis reminds me a bit of Zack Moss in terms of style, short, but thick, compact back that likes to run through contact but he has better explosion and pop than Moss. I wouldn't call him a home run hitter as such but he definitely has a few gears he can get through. He had over 1,000 yards at 5.7 a tote in the SEC last year and he was the "best of the rest" for me after the top 5 backs - Brooks, Benson, Wright, Lloyd and Corum. He was RB6 at the top of that next tier. Like the player, don't love using round 4 for a running back. The second is probably my favourite pick of the entire draft for the Bills - Sedrick Van-Pran. He was a three year starter at center on a Georgia team that won two national titles in that period. I had a late 3rd round grade and if his arms were an inch longer he is easily a day 2 pick. Occasionally that lack of length means rushers just seem to get on him a bit fast, but even when they are he can fight his way back into a rep and come out on top. I think he will compete to start the year and if the Bills do go with the vets - McGovern in to center and Edwards at guard and it doesn't gel quickly then I would not be shocked if he found himself on the field early. This guy has a chance to be the Bills center for the next 7 or 8 seasons.

     

    The next one was the pick that flummoxed me a bit - Edefuan Ulofoshio (and not just because I can't pronounce it!) The Bills traded out of #144 for a 2025 4th rounder, then they took a linebacker at #160. This is a team that only plays with two linebackers and already has Milano, Bernard, Williams and Spector on the roster and added Nicholas Morrow to be vet insurance in free agency. I don't understand why a 6th linebacker there was a preference. I get that they like him for special teams but both Morrow and Spector are already good special teamers. Jamari Thrash was still on the board when they traded out and then Malik Washington was still on the board when they Ulofoshio. Do they really feel better about their receiver room than their linebacker depth? I dunno. Oddest pick of the draft IMO. Maybe it is in Beane's contract that he has to pick at least one linebacker every year? Eight picks later they took Javon Solomon the undersized edge rusher out of Troy. I'm not sure how many successful 6'1 edge rushers there are but despite lacking height Solomon has near 34 inch arms and he plays longer than his size. It's fair to question whether he would hold up in run support as a starting base end but this guy can rush the passer. He is explosive off the snap and he has a pretty wide array of moves. He led the entire FBS with 16 sacks in 2023 and as a 5th round flier he was absolutely worth the pick they spent here. As a rotational pass rush specialist I think he can be really effective. 

     

    They then went for Tylan Grable the offensive tackle out of UCF in round 6. He is the definition of toolsy. Former skill position player converted to offensive line. Athletic, can move, has the size you look for. Played for Deion Sanders at Jacksonville State before transferring to UCF but a contact I converse with occasionally in the draft media was at the Shrine game practices this year and had Grable as one of his standouts. If he has a decent camp he has a shot at the roster. Then Daequan Hardy the corner out of Penn State came next. He is an undersized corner who probably takes over the "backup nickel and special teams" role that Siran Neal used to occupy. He is a scrappy guy in coverage who makes up for lacking size with his effort and he has both return experience and gunner experience to play on 4th down. Finally it was the Brit! Travis Clayton is obviously the best pick of the entire draft and will be the Bills starting guard for the next 15 years going to 15 pro bowls and being a 15 time first team all pro. People keep comparing him to Christian Wade because he played rugby. Wade was an international rugby player. He is a star in the Rugby Permier League. Travis played amateur rugby in the 8th tier of the sport's league system. To put that in perspective soccer is a much more popular and well organised sport at the semi-pro and amateur level and the standard is higher. I played in the 7th tier of English soccer. If I turned up to try out for the Bills they wouldn't be selling me as a former soccer star. I expect very little. But it's a nice story and I'm rooting for the kid. 

     

    My overall take on the Bills draft? This was a draft for need. There is a legit argument that: a wide receiver, a safety, a DT and a second running back were the four biggest needs on the roster and they hit them with the first four picks. Take what they say about the board with a pinch of slat this year. This was a team that couldn't fill all its holes in free agency having to go after certain positions to re-stock. I like some of the players. Bishop, Van-Pran and Solomon in particular. Coleman and Davis I like some too although I have questions about the exact nature of the value and fit in those cases. But this is a class that will re-stock the roster and hopefully give them fewer big gaps to fill when they come to free agency and the draft next year. I don't know that it has made the roster a lot better than it was on Thursday morning but it has made it a bit deeper and hopefully they can stack a few more names onto the little core of guys that they got out of 2022 and 2023 to further drive this transition. 

     

    The UDFAs

    I will confess I don't know a lot about many of them. I was glad to see a punter on the list. They have Haack and Martin on the roster but Haack sucks and Martin after a good 2022 struggled in 2023. If the rookie Jack Browning out of San Diego State can give himself a chance in that competition I'd like to see him come out on top. The two guys I do know about are two of my Shrine Game standouts - Frank Gore Jnr and David Ugwoegbu. Here is what I said about on here about them each on the back of that game in February:

    Frank Gore Jnr (#3, Running Back, West) who had 6 rushes for 87 yards and a touchdown. It is an obvious thing to say but he is so reminiscent of his dad in the way he plays. He isn't fast, he isn't big, but he has great vision, fantastic feet and he always seems to fall forwards. Gore Snr went in round 3 of the draft way back in 2005 but I suspect a player of his type would be much more like a day three pick now and that is where I expect Gore Jnr to end up. But I won't be betting against him making a team and making an impact in the pros.

    David Ogwoegbu (#92, EDGE, East) out of Houston (but who spent his first four years at Oklahoma) did turn his flashes into plays with two tackles for loss in the run game and the East team's only sack. He is a bit of a tweener for me in that he started his college career at linebacker, moved onto the line but isn't twitchy or bend enough to play as a true edge and probably isn't big enough to be a starting defensive tackle but as someone who plays as an interior penetrator in sub packages I think he has a chance to make a team - although my gut instinct is he will have to do so as an UDFA because that lack of a true position will prevent him being drafted.

     

    Other notable moves

    I like the Giants entire draft tbh. Okay they didn't get a Quarterback. But if they didn't value any after the consensus top 3 guys they were right not to reach down the board for one. They got a game changing receiver, the best safety in the draft an intriguing prospect at corner and then three guys I liked on day three in tight end Theo Johnson, running back Tyrone Tracy (former receiver with some return ability and a pass catching option) and Darius Muasu who was yet another of my Shrine Game standouts - a smart, hard hitting linebacker from UCLA. The Ravens also had a good day 3 with TJ Tampa who fell based on speed concerns but has really solid corner tape and fits the smart, tough Raven mould. They also too Tez Walker in round and if he can be brought along slowly and asked just to be a go route specialist and learn to catch the ball a bit better he compliments what they already have on that offense. The Rams had a good draft too for me. Liked their first three picks and while I'm not a Kam Kinchens guys they came back on day 3 with Brennan Jackson, a developmental pass rusher, Tyler Davis to add further to that Dline and then Beaux Limmer who was a steal in round 6 as a developmental center. Finally the Dolphins day 3 picks were an example of a team who know what they are leaning into it, I don't love the value of trading a future 3rd rounder for the 4th round pick they used to take Jaylen Wright when they already have two fast running backs on the roster but when you take that and Malik Washington together it just said to me "here is a team who know what they are." Whether what they are is conducive to winning championships in January and February is a different question. 

     

    And then there were FOUR...

    Just the four guys remaining on my board by the end of the draft. The joint fewest I've had - tied with 2021. Halfway through round 5 I was sure I was going to clear it and I was slightly surprised that I didn't. But here are the four and where they have ended up:

     

    1. Beau Brade, S, Mayland - BALTIMORE RAVENS

    2. Leonard Taylor II, DT, Miami - NEW YORK JETS

    3. Javion Cohen, IOL, Miami - CLEVELAND BROWNS

    4. Dallin Holker, TE, Colorado State - NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

     

    There was also one sleeper who I hadn't done enough on to grade for the board who went undrafted:

     

    N/R. Blake Watson, RB, Memphis - DENVER BRONCOS

     

    I wish all those guys well in their future NFL careers. Brade to Baltimore in particular is a fit I absolutely love. Speed stopped him being drafted but he plays physical, downhill and can hit. The Ravens will love him.

     

    So that's it. Four months worth of work and free time filling study over and done with for another year. Another draft in the books. Was not my favourite either for drama or for the Bills selections but as with every draft the time to look back is 3 or 4 years down the road. Until next year, that will be a wrap!

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  13. 1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

     

    Well, we'll see.  Either way, barely beating NE on the merits of a defensive TD, because their offense sucks, while putting up only 20 offensive points, 14 having been from the D setting us up at their 14 also, can be spun anyway we want, but it cannot possibly be spun as having been good.  Our performances on either side were nothing special in that game.  On a side note, NE put up their 1st and 4th best scoring games on our 4th ranked D.  

     

    Same for the Chargers who featured an offensive roster of talent that would have rivaled the worst of any team on the season had it been there all season.  Our D also did not play well, nor did our O against their 24th ranked D, and again, we needed a last-minute FG to beat them.  

     

    Putting up a mere 14 offensive against Miami, a team we've owned, was the worst offensive output since 2018 in Allen's 7th overall start.  

     

    In four of our last five games we didn't even average over 20 PPG offensively.  

     

    That's not a good harbinger going into this season.  Then factor in the draft not really assisting that.  Coleman replacing Diggs & Davis isn't going to account for 14 TDs and half of Allen's yards.  

     

    Again, if those regular season games under Brady were extrapolated out to a full season, Allen would produce 4,143 Yards, 24 TDs, 17 INTs, 244 YPG, and a rating of 85.5.  If that were to occur no one will be happy as it would be only marginally better than his numbers in 2019 with twice the INTs.  It's a very difficult argument to suggest that Brady was or will be an improvement.  It's also quite possible that the reasons for the positives in his style were due to, not in spite of, Dorsey's influence.  We simply don't know.  We will see.  

     

    You  mention "crunching the numbers," but the game is about scoring and moving the ball.  "Down the stretch" when we needed every single win to make the playoffs much less win the division, we played incredibly poorly, on both sides quite frankly.  We played two pretty talentless teams along with Miami, where our offensive performance was the worst since Allen's first game (a loss) to them.  Again, not a good harbinger.  To suggest that The narrative about Brady being so much better than Dorsey simply isn't true from a scoring and ball movement perspective.  

     

    I didn't care for Dorsey, but Brady's raw, and whether or not he straightens that out this season, a tall task with a defensive minded head coach breathing down his neck for him to conform to that approach, remains to be seen.  That's the primary problem with our team as most see it, we don't have any particular expertise guiding the offensive side.  But we can't say yeah, we scored fewer points on average, didn't move the ball as well, our QB saw his stats nearly halved in scoring with his efficiency metrics plummeting to near all-time worstsbut the OC is better.  That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, particularly when that QB is the only reason you're doing anything.  

     

    Of course the jury's out, so your take may quite possibly be true.  All I'm doing is pointing out the falsehoods and inconsistencies in the established narrative.  

     

     

    To be clear I am not disputing what you say about production. I am adding one caveat to it that regardless of who the OC is we need Josh to have a better year than 2023. But my initial response was to your point on creativity. I think the only time I have actually agreed that the problem was a lack of creativity was under Dorsey. I think at one point just before he was fired we were running the 2nd least pre-snap motion in the league and were the most predictable in our personnel groupings v run / pass split. It was vanilla offense that said "our guys are better than your guys" and we don't have an offense with the talent level to do that. 

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  14. 6 minutes ago, H2o said:

    I fully believe that they will get 2025 as well. I think this is the year that could be what speeds up that process though if the "if's" in my original statement fall the other way. If this team falls flat, if Worthy does turn into this world beater some are acting like he is, if Josh's guys do struggle to get open for him, then I think that seat is BLAZING hot in 2025 for the both of them. And I don't hate either of them, Beane or McDermott. I have been extremely pissed at both of them for various reasons, but I know it's better than anything we saw from 1999 until 2017. 

     

    Yea if this were to be a 10-7 wild card team, Coleman has 600 yards, Bishop only plays in sub, and they lose round 1 of the playoffs then I agree the seats would be very warm in 2025. That I think would be the all or nothing season. 

  15. 18 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

     

    It will be interesting, and in fairness Brady deserves a full preseason to prep, but to my recurring point, we have zero proven offensive creative experience in this team's staff.  None.  It's all about the D under McD.  ... and McD, ... perfect name.  

     

    Look at my post above.  It's relevance can be debated, but not the facts.  

     

     

     

    The problem with simply crunching the numbers under each of the coaches is that I think in terms of play as a Quarterback 2023 was Josh's worst season since he broke out in 2020. Now I don't put all of that on Josh but I do out a fair amount of it on Josh. Josh has to play better and certainly more consistently. We gave him the best oline he has had and he still made too many bad decisions at times. I don't think the talent around him helped. The coaching change can't have been easy. But I think we need Josh to be better first and foremost. Brady hopefully can help that. But I will tell you when I watched the all22 of his offense vs Dorsey's I am in no doubt who I'd rather have as OC. 

    20 minutes ago, SoTier said:

     

    Is the offense "forced to play small ball" or is that what they want to play?    

     

    I think it is what the personnel they have built is best suited to. So maybe it is by design. But if so that's an odd build choice IMO. 

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  16. 14 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

     

    There's zero creativity on offense

     

    I only think that was true under Dorsey. Dorsey's O was very vanilla. Very simple. Put a very high tariff on execution. Daboll's offense was creative and we saw way more creativity when Brady took over. I'm not telling you it is Shanahan or Reid, but it is plenty creative enough. And that was just Brady adding wrinkles to Dorsey's offense. I'll be interested to see what we come out with when he has had an offseason to design it. 

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  17. 54 minutes ago, NewEra said:

    Which good GMs don’t believe in building the DL?  
     

    do you think WR is more important than DL in terms of winning championships?  
     

    QB > DL > OL that isn’t bad > WR imo.  
     

    Beanes biggest problem, imo, isn’t choosing to build his team from the DL out, it’s his choices of who he invested in.  Some years he invested in poor players. Some years he invested in good players that disappeared in the playoffs.  And then there’s Von.  A guy that was performing at a very high level until injury made him irrelevant both playoff runs he was in the team.  
     

    edit-  yes, I agree that he should’ve invest more in the WR position than he has.  I just don’t see a problem investing in the DL.  He just needed to do a better job at it.  Without a good DL, you aren’t sniffing a SB.

     

    It's both. I have no problem investing in the Dline but when it is your highest investment unit both in FA and the draft and yet at no point in your entire reign has it been the strength of the team (we have had pretty good dlines most years but never dominant ones) then both the scale of your investment and how you made it should be questioned. I think that is legitimate. 

     

    And especially when it has come at the expense of OL and WR at times. 

    53 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

     

    You know what I'm going to say to this post.

     

     

    Yea you are gonna pick on the one guy out of all those dline investment who has actually been worth the squeeze. 

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  18. 38 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

     

    Most won't make the roster

     

    I think most will to be honest. If I had to predict now I'd have Clayton on the PS and I think Grable is right on the bubble. The other 8 are making it. The reason they are making it is the Bills drafted where they had needs this draft. More than any other draft of the Beane era this was a draft entirely for need. 

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