BarleyNY
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20 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:
No matter what you think of Diggs the person, objectively can anyone say the team is a better TEAM today than yesterday? I don't think anyone reasonably can say that. It's April, there's going to be moves made, let's see how the team looks in July/August/September
Also.....guess it's time I change my screen name
No question there will be less talent than with Diggs in the team. But. It is clear he wasn’t happy here and that the relationship was breaking down pretty badly. That can drag down production and create issues within the team. Also long term the team gains back $19M in cash and cap space as well as Minnesota’s 2025 second round pick.
Realistically how many more quality seasons does he have left? Years ago he was a top 4 WR, then he was a top 8 before this past season when he was top 16. He’ll likely fall off a bit more in 2024.
Bummer about the screen name. I know a lot of fans are taking this hard.
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2 hours ago, Beast said:
Raise your hand if you think the Bills made this move without the blessing of Josh Allen.
Keep your hand raised high because I want to know who to offer this bridge to, down the road from me, for a sum of money.
I'd go so far as to say Allen likely did more than bless it.
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3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
I will be the first to admit, I thought there was little chance Beane would trade Diggs before the draft unless one of 2 things happened: He either got a huge offer he couldn't refuse or something behind the scenes made Diggs an "addition by subtraction" situation, kind of like Beanes first year here where he moved Sammy for a 2nd right away and then we dumped Darius for a 6th rounder to just get him away from the team midseason.
Well, we know we didn't get an "offer he couldn't refuse" given the overall compensation is pretty weak, especially for the cap hits we will take. So, seems like there was more going on behind the scenes where Beane felt we were better off as a team if he was not on the roster this year. So will be interesting to see what comes out after this, if anything.
So where does that leave us as an offense with both Diggs and Davis, our top 2 WR's last 2 years, now gone? I am gonna say this right out the gate, I think that not only are we fine, but we might be an even better offense in 2024 than we were in 2023. Im no Diggs hater, but the reality is he commanded a lot of targets on a team that loves to spread the ball around.
Looking back at last season, both Diggs and Davis were not more often than not barely showing up on the stat sheets during the back half of the season and playoffs. Yet this team went 6-1 during that span to win the division and the 2 seed and almost made the AFCCG.
Our roster right now:
We have an exciting nucleus of young talent on our offense today, even before the draft and with Diggs gone. The combination of Shakir, Kincaid, and Cook are an exciting trio of young weapons who broke out last year and look to have bright futures. Samuel is only 27 and here 3 years as well and is another quality weapon for this offense.
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Shakir - He put up 611 yards on just 39 targets last year which is incredible. That is an insane 13.5 yards per TARGET...not per catch, per target. And that came with a catch rate of like 87% catch rate. The guy made a lot of plays and was arguably our best WR down the stretch to obtain the 2 seed. @BADOLBILZasked me what I think he can be and I flat out said this kid is a 1000+ yard WR IMHO on a lot of teams this year but would never get that chance in Buffalo (and no one likely would) as long as Diggs is here because he commands too many targets and then there are a lot of other mouths to feed after Diggs when you look at who is on the roster and the expected addition of a high round rookie in this draft.
- But now, with Diggs gone, I do think we will see Shakir flirt with a 1000 yards and maybe exceed it here in Buffalo this season. There is still a lot of mouths to feed (Rookie, Samuel, Kincaid, Cook both running and recieving, etc) beyond Shakir, but I do think he will be Allens most trusted target this year and I will increase my prediction on him from pre-Diggs trade of 700-900 to now post Diggs trade of 900-1100 yards.
- Kincaid - Like Shakir, his role just got bigger in terms of available targets. How much bigger I think depends on how fast whatever rookie we take gels with Allen in the offense. If the rookie comes in and rips off say 1200+ yard season, then I think Kincaid probably finishes more in that 700-850 yard range. If the rookie is more of a 800-1100 rookie year, then I can see Kincaid hitting at least 800 yards and flirting with a 1000 potentially.
- Samuel - I don't think his role changes much to be honest. I think he is going to be a 700 yard type WR for us, a guy who is valuable but maybe his impact is more streaky. Not a knock on him, more about there is only one football to go around and he has less time and rapport with Allen right now, so I think Shakir and Kincaid will have a leg up on targets, especially early on.
Impact on the draft:
I honestly don't think this changes a whole lot for us in regards to the draft given its been very clear we were looking at WR early for a while now. However, the biggest impact now is maybe in Beane's comfort on how aggressive he may want to be to get a guy. With an extra 2nd rounder next year, he might feel more comfortable including our first next year if a guy he covets gets close enough where our first gets us there. The 2nd rounder next year itself doesn't get us a lot of movement in this draft but our first can get us into the teens.
Best case scenario for Bills (if Beane intends to get up and get a guy) is that these 3 things happen ahead of us:
- A big QB run happens (Possible the first 4 picks could be QB's if AZ trades back with someone like Minny)
- Brock Bowers goes BEFORE one of the big 3 WR's (MHJ, Nabers, Odunze)
- Someone over drafts Xavier Worthy before one of the big 3 after falling in love with his 40 time
If those 3 things happen, I think it is highly likely that one of either Nabers or Odunze fall into the back half of teens where using our first next year gets us into play for a move up to get one. If only 2 of those things happen, still possible.
If the Big 3 go before the 15th pick, then I think Beane might consider moving up for Thomas, although I am not sold he would be willing to go as high to get Thomas as he would one of the other 3.
Predictions on next year:
I am actually quite excited to see more of Shakir, Kincaid and Cook next year to go along with a rookie and Samuel. I think our offense has the potential to be even better in 2024 as it already proved better once those guys got more involved last year. Diggs and the attention he commanded from the defense will be missed, but I think there are still plenty of weapons here and I think whatever rookie we bring combined with the talent of Allen will help command some of the attention Diggs was getting.
I hate the cap hits...but I love the potential of what our young core and whatever rookie(s) we add to the fold can bring to this field as soon as this season.
I said it when we signed Samuel, he's the Diggs replacement. Same style of Z/Y WR. We could've managed this season with Diggs, Samuel and a rookie sharing the load at X, but Samuel was going to take over for Diggs sooner or later. We needed an X before we traded Diggs and we need one now. Likewise my hope that the Bills will take a WR early and then another later hasn't changed.
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Shakir - He put up 611 yards on just 39 targets last year which is incredible. That is an insane 13.5 yards per TARGET...not per catch, per target. And that came with a catch rate of like 87% catch rate. The guy made a lot of plays and was arguably our best WR down the stretch to obtain the 2 seed. @BADOLBILZasked me what I think he can be and I flat out said this kid is a 1000+ yard WR IMHO on a lot of teams this year but would never get that chance in Buffalo (and no one likely would) as long as Diggs is here because he commands too many targets and then there are a lot of other mouths to feed after Diggs when you look at who is on the roster and the expected addition of a high round rookie in this draft.
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56 minutes ago, AZSanta said:
Me too man me too. People cant handle the truth
The truth is like poetry. No one likes poetry.
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47 minutes ago, SCBills said:
having two RD2 picks likely allows us the freedom to package our RD1 pick next year in a deal this year
Good observation
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My 18 year old daughter remains inconsolable.
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8 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
I didn't realize it was Minnesota's 2nd round pick. That makes me feel a bit more positive.
Me too. Big difference between Minny’s 2nd rounder and Houston’s IMO.
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13 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:
I dont care what Sportac, he is 30, simple fact and wont be 31 until very latte in November but if yoo want to claim he is 31 go for it.
I didn’t say that. I said that this is his age 31 season.
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1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:
He is only 30.
He will be 31 in November. Most would consider 2024 his “age 31 season”. For example, Spotrac does.
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1 minute ago, MJS said:
Even so, the organization is in a less than ideal position. They are now paying a receiver 30 million to not be on the team. It might be the right move, but it is not what anyone wanted to happen. Ideally, Diggs would be on the team, happy, and contributing. But he's not.
Something I pointed out prior to this is that there are two ways to look at the cap impact. One is the immediate, where Diggs’ cap hit is about $4M higher this season if traded. The other is that the overall cap impact would be $19M higher to keep him in 2024. It hurts this season but opens up things next.
Side note: The Bills aren’t paying Diggs anything this season. The cap hit is from money they already paid him.
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Gave it a B. I think Beane did very well to get Minnesota’s 2025 2nd round pick. That team has talent, but no QB. Barring another move they will be rolling with Sam Darnold or a rookie.
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15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
If you didn't think his tweets meant anything, you were wrong. I'm guessing him taking a swing at his QB last night was the last straw for the team.
They’ve been working on trading Diggs for a while now. According to a football writer I know who was in Vegas for SB week, the Bills trying to trade Diggs was THE big rumor among teams.
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1 minute ago, FireChans said:
Gigantic cap hit
Apparently the cap hit is more manageable than he is on this roster.
Not a surprise to some of us.
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10 minutes ago, Professor Worthington said:
Where did I write “either-or”? You’re making incorrect assumptions. I’m all for Josh coaching up players and setting high expectations. That doesn’t change the fact that someone other than 17 needs to be on the team who plays at an elite level.
If that’s really what you think, then you should stop lambasting people who question Allen’s change in off-season regimen and say that he should work harder to improve and stay sharp. No one here has said that the rest of the roster or coaching should not be doing the same.
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20 hours ago, Professor Worthington said:
Yes but again, if Josh improves with all else being the same, I do not think that alone will get us there. In other words, if we were to rate performance on a 100 point scale, and JA goes from a 95 to a 98-99, the Bills will still need at least one other player or head coach to take it to the same elite level.
So rather than pin our hopes on Josh’s incremental improvements, we should be looking for current or future players and coaches who can excel in the biggest moments.
Another poster mentioned Mahomes as an example of one man putting a team on his back but I don’t buy that at all. He has arguably the
best TE in NFL history and a HOF coach who is recognized as an offensive genius.
The most dominant championship teams have at least 2 and usually 3 superstars as a player or coach. The KC example is noted above. The Pats had the GOAT, Belichik, and Gronk. The 9O’s Bills had multiple HOFs (except I don’t buy Marv, but that’s another thread!) and went to 4 straight championships, which is why lack of a ring remains both maddening and mind-boggling.
Why do you pretend that this is an “either-or” situation? The team leaders set the standards and expectations. Among players Allen is far and away the Bills’ most influential leader.
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25 minutes ago, Virgil said:
That was a tough pick to make. Even with seeing other mock drafts taking him at that spot, it felt like a reach. Going WR made a lot of sense, but they already have a decent group. That team is also so stacked, that BPA didn't make a lot of sense.
I honestly debated going QB, knowing that Rodgers only has a year or so left, but I felt like people would riot
This brings up a good question. Are we supposed to draft like we would or like we think the team will?
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9 minutes ago, Brand J said:
2017 was the Mahomes trade down. They picked Tre White, not a WR. Sammy Watkins (2014) was the last first round receiver I believe.
First or second round. Zay Jones
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1. Browns
2. Commanders
3. Patriots
Thanks for running this, Virgil.
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6 hours ago, Punching Bag said:
In college I was in literature class and research had indicated it was a composite of multiple people and he had frequent jabs at non-contributing wealthy.
Can’t believe that I looked this up for this board. Many theories but no real evidence of a specific person or composite.
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7 hours ago, WotAGuy said:
OK, I see what you are talking about and see what you mean. However, unless you have been through the process and bought a PSL from the Bills, aren’t you projecting a lot of negative assumptions on that process? There really is no basis for what you are supposing is going to happen, other than you know some people who didn’t do their due diligence when they bought PSLs from another team.
If you’ve ever bought a house, did you read and understand the mountain of paperwork you signed your name to a dozen or more times? I just bought a car and the papers I needed to sign were going by like a printing press. It was ridiculous. However, that’s the way a lot of high-value transactions are done, and it’s up to the consumer to know what they are getting into.
I don’t feel that these entities are trying to obfuscate the consumer; I think they are trying to protect themselves because they are selling thousands of their products, and of course they hold the advantage because they have something the consumers want.
If I’m spending thousands on a PSL and don’t understand the contract, I’m gonna spend a few hundred to have a lawyer vet it for me.
The terms of the PSL transaction would seem simple enough to clarify. I’ll wait and see how it all plays out. And tens of thousands of fans should not all need lawyers for that.
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20 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:
Can you identify what information is being withheld about the transaction?
I understand some customers are sharing information about the pricing they have been given. So that info is out there. Those are the only transactions that have taken place so far to my knowledge.
Now if you are referring to the PSL costs for other seating areas, the Bills have said those have not been determined yet, so there’s no information to withhold that I can see.
If the PSL cost for other areas will be lowered if they sell a lot of the high-end PSLs, as has been surmised, then everyone should be hoping they sell a lot of those MFers.
The pricing will come out. My issue is with the specifics on how the PSLs work. There is a ton of misinformation out there now because it’s not being explained. I am sure that it will be put in the fine print in legalese at the last minute. The result will be that a lot of people will buy them without understanding what they bought. I lived in Cleveland when they got their last stadium and it is what happened there. I’ve watched for it in other cities since and it seems to be the playbook NFL teams use.
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4 hours ago, Billl said:
Jalen Carter crashed a car and left the scene of a fatal car accident. He got probation and was drafted top 10 a year later. Rice was incredibly lucky that his stupidity didn’t have a worse ending. I’m not condoning his actions, nor does it make even the tiniest bit of difference what I think should happen to him. The reality is that it was a traffic accident that resulted in no major injuries. He’s got enough money to afford a competent attorney, so the odds of him seeing the inside of a jail cell are virtually nil.
I realize he plays for the team that keeps winning Super Bowls so everyone here wants to pretend that the book will be thrown at him, but that’s little more than fan fiction.
Carter did not crash his car. He was racing with the woman who did. She was way over the legal BAC limit when she crashed her car, killing herself and one of her passengers. Same stupid drag racing, less serious results for Rice. Carter still has a huge lawsuit against him.
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15 minutes ago, Punching Bag said:
Ebenezer Scrooge was based on real people at the time but he changed which was and is rare.
That is not thought to be true. IIRC the Scrooge character was based on Dickens’ father. Thus the two very different versions of him in the story. Scrooge’s treatment of his workers was a social and political statement regarding the (mis)treatment of the working class which was seen as very disposable at the time.
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The only real issue I have will this entire situation is the obfuscation by of important information. I have zero issue with capitalism - businesses setting prices for their goods and services and customers making decisions on whether or not to buy them. But it is not right when a business purposefully misleads its customers by withholding information about the transaction. And while caveat emptor certainly applies, it’s still very shady. And it seems to be standard operating procedure for the introduction of PSLs.
Last player to leave in any way that hurt?
in The Stadium Wall
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Kyle hurt, but Tre White getting cut this off-season was worse for me. Probably worse than Diggs.