BarleyNY
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Re: Cardale. He is the perfect developmental pick that is little threat to challenge EJM for the backup job. If they'd gone with another more polished QB there would be talk that the 2013 1st round pick wasn't thought of as good enough to backup. And last year signing Cassel ensured EJM was in street clothes on game day.
A lack of depth at QB, WR, OT, and perhaps TE is going to affect this team at some point.
Actually I see the Jones pick as solidifying EJ's presence as #2 for 2016. Unless a vet QB is acquired that comes in and pushes EJ off that's the QB roster. I'm a Buckeye alum and watch pretty much every OSU game (stomps of very low level competition sometimes excepted). Jones was a good pick and has a ton of raw talent, but he's years (plural) away from anyone even considering putting him on the field in a meaningful NFL game. No way do I consider him a #2 in 2016.
I agree with the last line though and I think that point is going to be right away - especially where WR and OL are concerned.
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Short answer: No, Ray Lewis is not a good comparison for Ragland. Honestly, how many ILBers coming out in a draft get THAT comparison? There's a lot of tape of both making plays when unblocked because Bama's front kept Ragland clean just like Lewis' front kept him clean in Baltimore. I'd love to see a Ragland stack and shed highlight. It's relatively easy for an ILBer to make plays when his front is dominating. They are of similar size and build, but Lewis was faster. Ragland won't have the speed advantage Lewis did even when unblocked. Lewis had great instincts and it looks like Ragland does too, but Lewis' speed helped him evade blockers and beat them to the spot. I like Ragland's downhill ability both against the run and rushing the passer, but he's going to have to show he can play the pass or it's going to be tough for him to stay on the field in those situations. The jury is out on every pick until they have had time to develop on the field. Watching Ragland will be particularly interesting to me since he was a player I liked a lot less than most. In fact, I had convos with my dad and best friend regarding him before before Day 2 and he was the one player we disagreed about. They thought he'd be a great selection for the Browns at 32. I wasn't nearly as high on him for them or the Bills because of his speed, pass coverage issues and Wonderlic. His Wonderlic score and possibility that he'll have to come off the field in passing downs makes me wary of his ability to make defensive calls.
It's always a bad idea to change your opinion of a player from the one you had prior to the draft to a new one after a draft. The only additional aspect that can be addressed is schematic fit. Ragland looks to fit well so I have no issues there. I know I am in the minority so I certainly could be wrong. If the Bills got a quality inside linebacker that plays the run very well, pass rushes very well and is adequate in coverage, then they made a great pick. If he turns out to be even a very good 2 down backer, then they didn't. That would not be good value at 41. We shall see.......
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Jax and Cleveland both had great drafts. Voted Jax. Getting Ramsey and Jack out of one draft is ridiculous. Cleveland's haul of 14 players this draft (incl Dolphins CB Jamar Taylor) plus a 1st and 2nd in 2017 and a 2nd in 2018 is crazy too.
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To the OP: I agree with all of your points, but I really didn't find any of them surprising. I liked the draft from both value and need perspectives, but there's only so much that can be accomplished in any single draft. The 2016 draft was never going to fix all of the team's woes, but I think it will fix some.
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No kidding. The best part of that for them is they might get a great QB with the #1 overall pick in the 2017 draft.Hackenberg, Geno, Petty.
Good luck with that.
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It's very difficult not to really like this draft. Seriously. VERY solid. And I am not a Kool Aid drinker. Really liked it.
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Well, I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!
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Spriggs is still available - he's probably worth it. But IU players scare me, haha
Problem is that he is athletic and looks like a pure LT for a zone scheme. He's not powerful at all so you're not getting much in the way of run blocking from him. Just not a fit here if the Bills are going to run a lot and with Glenn at LT.
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Is that what he's made? Wow. I'm sure it's decently invested and you're right, he need not play again. Edit: web reports say net worth of $24M which would align pretty exactly with that. If it's invested decently, a 4% draw is $.96M a year and a guy without a hugely lavish lifestyle can support his family in good style for that.
Yeah. Got cash earnings from Spotrac. I'm sure he's got a minimum amount of money he will play for and it clearly isn't what the Jets are offering. $1M a year sure would support a pretty lavish lifestyle in my view. Maybe not as much for someone's who made his kind of money, but he's smart guy. He knows how to weigh the risks here.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/ryan-fitzpatrick/cash-earnings/
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I know he does a lot of brain training to keep his mind sharp to try and ward off the effects of concussions. I wonder if he's realizing that it's not worth it to play anymore at X amount of money. It would only be worth it if he was making more.
Or he could just be bluffing because he doesn't really have much leverage at this point. The Jets can just get Hoyer for cheap and there's not going to be much of a dropoff
$39M in career earnings and a degree from Harvard. He's gonna be okay if he doesn't play again. This sort of situation is important with players that have made big money. Most won't play for anything but a premium contract after awhile. That's why so many are retiring when their play drops off. I remember Urlacher talking about it. He was diplomatic, but the gist was that he wasn't going to play for $2M. It just wasn't worth it to him after what he had already made.
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I'm torn on Ragland. I see a player with a lot of risks and only a moderately high ceiling. He'd certainly fill a big need though.Tell me this wouldn't make you happy:
http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/04/29/nfl-mock-draft-round-2-picks-predictions-players
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I'm hoping OT is in the mix soon. I'm not confident in the right side of our offensive line
I'm guessing 3rd but probably 4th round
An OT would be nice, but there's no one left I'd want to spend a mid 2nd round pick on. Gotta get value.
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Tumbling still. Out of top 20. Damn.
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Good pick. Very happy with Shaq. Was on my short list along with Doctson when they were on the clock.
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Nope. Bradford was a #1 pick and that makes each more desperate GM think they can get that value out of him.
This.
Yup. He's got talent. I've seen him play live. At times you can't help but to think "Wow! Most QBs can't do that!" But he's such a tease. Always dinged, chronically injured. It's easy to think "But if we could just keep him healthy for a full season the sky would be the limit!" But I can't imagine he ever will be. Plus there's his pay. He was the last quarterback chosen number one overall the year before the rookie pay scale was implemented. He's made so much money that he won't play for anything but a big contract - and teams keep giving them to him. He's going to go down as the best paid, longest tenured, most talented quarterback that never did anything.
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Thanks for the heads up!
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i don't think they can even trade him until he officially un-retires, but I could be wrong
A team should be able to trade for his contract. That would give them his rights should he unretire. Probably not a lot of takers on that though.
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no way WR 1st round
Disagree. Huge need and should definitely be in play.
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Speaking of Luck (both Good and Andrew), how is it that the Colts franchise manages to time their tankings every 15 years or so, to coincide with that generations top QB talent? 1983 with Elway, 1998 with Manning, and 2012 with Luck. What a bunch of jerks!
Yeah. Unbelievable. I honestly think they were in the right place at the right time for Manning and then took full advantage of his injury when Luck was coming out. They knew what a guy like Peyton Manning meant to the team and they made sure they were going to get Luck. The real difference is that their FO doesn't look up to building a team around their FQB this time around. At least not their current FO.
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The Colts didn't get lucky when they got Andrew Luck. They tanked for him. They wouldn't have had that chance had Peyton Manning not gotten injured, but they made sure they had absolute garbage at QB that season. It was a lot like the Sabres trading away every decent goalie they came across to get Eichel.
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Would be ecstatic with this draft. Used CBS's board.
WR JOSH DOCTSON
TCU
49: R2P18
OT GERMAIN IFEDI
TEXAS A&M
80: R3P17
OLB JOSHUA PERRY
OHIO STATE
117: R4P19
DT HASSAN RIDGEWAY
TEXAS
139: R4P41
DT MALIEK COLLINS
NEBRASKA
156: R5P17
TE TYLER HIGBEE
WESTERN KENTUCKY
192: R6P17
QB JACOBY BRISSETT
NC STATE
218: R6P43
G ANTHONY FABIANO
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No way he gets within 10 picks of the Bills.
I agree. He's gone by 8. Probably by 6. All injuries are not created equal. He looks like he will be fine.
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Okay, I've mentioned this in one of the numerous similar threads, but give me some opinions regarding the possibilities for Tyrod's performance this season. I'll include mine:
Improves substantially
Effectively stays the same as in 2015 in all respects
Falls off substantially
The first and third seems pretty obvious. He either gets that big, market value deal (or tagged to buy time to agree to such a deal) or the Bills move on. But what if we get the same from him? What if he pulls down the ball and runs in lieu of going through progressions when his first read isn't available? What if he runs well, but it causes him to miss 2-3 games because he's dinged? What if he's top 10 in efficiency stats (passer rating, QBR), but bottom 10 in production stats (attempts, yards) again? What do you do in this scenario? The one that is by far the toughest - and most likely? Working out a contract would be very difficult and highly unlikely in this case so I see him getting tagged if the Bills don't have decent options. Maybe even if they do. It's also why they need to draft or otherwise acquire another option. This weekend is a good chance for that.
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the dude is going to be 30 when the deal is done, and looking at what might be his last shot at a pay day.
theres a difference between competing (what i would call bringing in Chase Daniel, or if they had broght RG3 for instance) and being replaced (giving 2 firsts, a second a third and a fourth for a qb). its not a matter of if, but when he heads to the bench, and he will be going into his next contract, realistically, as a best case scenario bumping in and out of the lineup with the draft pick. fans will want it to justify the move, but more importantly team execs will want it.
im sure he signed it as a "show me" deal and is now worried that his resume is going to read "replaced by young qb" as his last stop unless he plays out of his mind good.
He's probably going to get traded or released after 2016. If he plays well and stays healthy Philly will trade him to a team that will want to lock him down for longer because no one will give much for him on a one year deal. That means he will still have say in where he goes. There's a chance that the Iggles would keep him for the 2017 if they weren't ready to move on to Wentz, but that would be what he signed up for. If he doesn't play well/stay healthy he'll get paid $22M for one season (or less) of quarterbacking the Iggles and can move on to wherever he wants. They aren't going to keep him on the bench for an extra $13M.
Dallas Offered Us Their 2nd and 3rd for #19
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Me too. That's not good value. You could have made a case that 34, 67 & 101 was worth 19, but I wouldn't have taken that either. Those are moves you make if you want to bail out of a pick. I see no reason why I'd prefer that package over Lawson. He was definitely a target for me at 19 and I did not think he had a great chance of making it there. But I agree with Whaley's counter of 34 and next year's 1st. Another Romo injury and that would be another high pick. Lynch isn't going to change that dynamic in year 1. If Jerry was serious he'd have either made the Whaley trade or countered with another offer. He didn't because he was just looking for a deal.